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Suskind's 'Confidence Men' Raises Questions About Obama's Credibility
Barack Obama is heading back onto the campaign trail, running as a champion of the middle class and even hoping to harness the Occupy movement's public anger at Wall Street.
But the higher he soars with his populist rhetoric, the more he calls attention to the enormous gap between the promise of hope and change that he campaigned on in 2008 and the actions he has taken as president -- especially regarding the economy, which is still stagnating, and Wall Street, which remains unpunished and unbowed even after causing the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression.
As a result, voters will inevitably be asking themselves: Who is this guy, really? Does he mean what he says? Will he do what he says? And would a second-term Obama be different?
One answer to why Obama underperformed is laid out in searing detail in Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter Ron Suskind's latest book, Confidence Men: Wall Street, Washington, and the Education of a President.
In the book, Suskind describes how Obama made the conscious choice to staff his economic team with former Clinton appointees whose sympathies were with Wall Street -- and that those men were unable to see how drastically out of whack the country's financial system had gotten both because they helped create it and because it had served them so well.
Then, rather than forcefully impose his campaign's populist vision on these men, Obama again consciously chose to defer to them repeatedly -- and tolerated it even when they slow-walked, pushed back against, or simply ignored his instructions.
The White House launched an aggressive counterattack when the book came out in September, initially centered around nitpicking over a few minor factual errors.
In perhaps the broadest on-the-record denial from the White House, National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling told CNN: "The notion that this president was not leading and making the tough choices all along is just dead wrong, and I say that as somebody who's been here every moment... This president has been focused and tough and decisive in leading us in this economic team and I think that is the story, and anything else really does a disservice to this administration and the real record that has been established."
The White House pushback was followed by brickbats from some mainstream journalists -- particularly Slate's Jacob Weisberg.
But the attacks on the book only glanced off Suskind's central theme -- which is more subtle than his critics have made it out to be -- because that theme was derived directly from on-the-record interviews with key players, internal documents that Suskind brought to light, and the outcomes we've all seen with our own eyes.
And though the book focuses on the first two years of Obama's presidency, and a group of "confidence men" that is mostly gone now, the leadership style Suskind describes, and the strikingly similar makeup of Obama's new economic team, suggest that Obama is still incapable of -- or, alas, uninterested in -- acting on his own words.
"You do have to start asking yourself a pretty tough set of questions about what his fundamental views actually are on so many of these issues," says Suskind. "Did he ever believe that he was going to be doing many of those things that he inspired people with in the campaign?"
Mind The Gap
During his 2008 presidential campaign, Obama spoke eloquently and strikingly about the excesses of Wall Street.
In his September 2007 speech at the NASDAQ, Obama invoked FDR. "Amid a crisis of confidence Roosevelt called for a 're-appraisal of values,' " Obama said. FDR made clear "that in order for us to prosper as one nation, '...the responsible heads of finance and industry, instead of acting each for himself, must work together to achieve the common end.'"
This, he concluded, was "another moment that requires, in FDR's words, a re-appraisal of our values as a nation."
In the midst of the U.S. government's September 2008 bank bailout, Obama told a Nevada audience: "Let me be perfectly clear. The fact that we are in this mess is an outrage. It's an outrage because we did not get here by accident. This was not a normal part of the business cycle. This was not the actions of a few bad apples.
"This financial crisis is a direct result of the greed and irresponsibility that has dominated Washington and Wall Street for years."
And although he said it wasn't time yet, he promised: "There will be time to punish those who set this fire."
In October 2008, he promise to "take on the corruption in Washington and on Wall Street to make sure a crisis like this can never, ever happen again."
And one day before he was elected president, he told a Florida audience: "Tomorrow, you can turn the page on policies that have put the greed and irresponsibility of Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street."
Obama's most seminal speech on the crisis was his March 2008 address at Cooper Union. There, he laid part of the blame for the disaster on Clinton-era financial deregulation, including the 1999 repeal of the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act. That repeal, which broke down barriers between commercial and investment banking, led to the growth of financial behemoths that were able to take enormous risks with impunity because they were "too big to fail."
"[I]nstead of establishing a 21st century regulatory framework, we simply dismantled the old one, aided by a legal but corrupt bargain in which campaign money all too often shaped policy and watered down oversight," Obama said. "In doing so we encouraged a winner take all, anything goes environment that helped foster devastating dislocations in our economy."
Among the foremost champions of that deregulatory regime were the key members of President Clinton's economic team, including Robert Rubin, who was Clinton's treasury secretary, Larry Summers, who succeeded Rubin, and Timothy Geithner, who worked directly under both of them.
But once Obama was elected, and was staring into the maw of staggeringly large financial crisis, he made a fateful decision: He left most of his progressive economic advisers behind -- including such liberal luminaries as Robert Reich and Joseph Stiglitz -- and chose to go with name brand Clinton officials instead. Summers became his chief economic adviser, Geithner became his Treasury secretary, and fellow Rubin protégé Peter Orszag became his budget director. (According to Suskind, Obama even offered Rubin himself an office in the White House.)
The "bold visions of the campaign season... resolved into the serious, often risk-averse business of actually governing," Suskind writes. "In the midst of a battering economic storm, it no longer seemed like the right time to be making waves."
While the appointments of these men and a slew of similarly pedigreed subordinates reassured the financial markets, their leadership undermined Obama's populist promises.
Many of them had already spent their interregnum feeding at the Wall Street trough.
Summers was paid $5.2 million for his part-time work for a massive hedge fund in 2008 alone, according to financial disclosure forms that were released on a Friday night several months after his appointment. That same year, he also raked in more than $2.7 million in fees for speaking engagements at such places as Citigroup, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch and Goldman Sachs. For one speech alone, Goldman Sachs paid him a cool $135,000.
Rubin, whose influence remained enormous among the new Obama appointees, left Treasury to join Citigroup, a mega-bank that took on ever-riskier, life-threatening stances during his tenure while he managed to snare $126 million in cash and stock.
(How could all this money not be corrupting? Why did Obama trust these guys? Those were questions I was asking from my perch at the Washington Post at the time, and they were never answered.)
Although Geithner didn't work directly for the banks, he regulated such firms as Citigroup and, as head of the New York Fed, helped engineer bailouts in the fall of 2008 that put billions of extra tax dollars in the coffers of major Wall Street firms, most notably Goldman Sachs.
Rather than give this team clear marching orders, Obama asked them what he should do, according to Suskind's account. Not surprisingly, they were loath to suggest anything that would harm Wall Street, or, as they put it, spook the market.
Instead of "tough love", the Obama White House showered the banks in cash and federal guarantees to make sure they could "earn their way back to health". There was no "haircut", no restructuring of the banks or the system that had done so much harm. Even the bankers were surprised, according to Suskind.
Former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker -- a relative progressive when compared to the advisers Obama chose to heed -- told Suskind what his advice to Obama had been: "Well, right now, when you have your chance, and their breasts are bared, you need to put a spear through the heart of all these guys on Wall Street that for years have been mostly debt merchants."
By late March 2009, public sentiment against the banks, which had been growing since the bailouts of the previous fall, had reached a fever pitch. But when the CEOs of the 13 largest banking institutions in the United States came to the White House, Obama's own tone was conciliatory.
"I want to help," he told them. "I'm not out there to go after you. I'm protecting you. But if I'm going to shield you from public and congressional anger, you have to give me something to work with on these issues of compensation."
The bankers offered a few empty promises about voluntary compensation limits and went on to book two of the most profitable years in Wall Street's history
There were things Obama and his staff could have pushed for much more aggressively. That list included breaking up the big banks or forcing banks to come to terms with the toxic assets still lurking in their portfolios. The White House team could have listened to the people who saw the crisis coming or had a history of taking on Wall Street. They could have replaced Ben Bernanke at the Federal Reserve, rather than renominating him.
Instead, as Suskind describes, bold action was consistently thwarted by one means or another.
Obama's management style made that easy. "He feels like he needs consensus to have the confidence of action," Suskind told HuffPost.
Without the guiding star of Obama's campaign promises, his economic team settled on what they called a "Hippocratic" motto: First, do no harm. Suskind writes that Volcker saw that as a formula for small, modest actions:
The "do no harm" school, he said, "always sounds reasonable" in that it calls for delay, until matters worsen to the point, "where they'll be consensus that we need to act in a forceful way. But you never get that consensus, because many of the actors, the institutions and so forth, will follow their self-interest right off the cliff." Every policy of consequence, meanwhile, is going to "do some harm, something government, mind you, can and should cushion." But there's no other way "to create the larger good, something you look back on with pride."
For a young, new president "with a powerful intellect but little experience, this stance was always available as a sensible course," Suskind writes. Over time, it "increasingly felt like a prudential path, rather than a backing away from history's call to arms."
Sometimes, despite all this, Obama seemed to be opting for more decisive action. That, Suskind writes, is when the staff became insubordinate, "relitigating" matters that had been settled, "slow-walking" decisions that had been made -- and in at least one case, outright ignoring what they were told.
The most graphic of many illustrations of this is Suskind's recounting of a March 15, 2009, meeting at which Obama expressed a desire to draw up plans to break up the banks, which he said would "strike a blow for prudence" and would "begin to change the reckless behavior of Wall Street and show that accountability flows in both directions."
Instead, his team (led in this case by chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, who from 1999 to 2002 made more than $18 million working for a financial services firm) wore down his request to a simpler directive: Draw up a plan for restructuring Citibank.
"Well, okay, so we do Citibank and we do it thoroughly and well," Obama said, according to the book. "That would show everybody that they can trust those guys in government to do a hard job, and do it right. And then we go back to Congress and get the money to do the wider job that really needs to be done."
Yet even that wouldn't happen. Geithner simply never went ahead with it, according to the book, opting instead for his preferred strategy of applying "stress tests" to the banks -- to find out how much capital they needed from the government and other sources to stay afloat.
That, in essence, is what Japan did for its two decades of stagnation, and we're now three years along on that same path.
Liberals like Paul Krugman were aghast as the details began to leak. "It's as if the president were determined to confirm the growing perception that he and his economic team are out of touch, that their economic vision is clouded by excessively close ties to Wall Street," Krugman wrote in late March. "And by the time Mr. Obama realizes that he needs to change course, his political capital may be gone."
The Citibank incident and others like it, Suskind writes, reflected a "pernicious and personal dilemma emerging from inside the administration: that the young president's authority was being systematically undermined or hedged by his seasoned advisers."
"The president had lost control of his White House; he had almost no process to translate his will into policy on the occasions when he could decide on a coherent path," Suskind writes. "But such decisions were rare."
Back in March 2010, I wrote for HuffPost that "people looking for the reasons why the Obama presidency has not lived up to its promise won't find the answer amid the minor rifts between key players..... The fact is that after a campaign that appealed so successfully to idealism, Obama hired a bunch of saboteurs of hope and change."
I was thinking of Emanuel in particular. But when it comes to the economy, Suskind describes Summers as the guy who really tied Obama up in knots.
Here's Suskind quoting Orszag -- on the record, by name: "Larry just didn't think the president knew what he was deciding," Orszag said. "The question is why didn't [Obama] stop it," he told Suskind. "People realized the process wasn't working, and they kept saying it.... but the president didn't say, Goddammit!... He didn't demand that it be changed . . . and that can't be healthy."
A few days after the book came out, Geithner publicly denied slow-walking any orders from Obama.
"I would never do that," he said. "I have spent my life in public service. It's my great privilege to serve this President, and I would never contemplate doing that. But, again, I lived the original, and the reality I lived, we all lived together, bears no relation to the sad little stories I heard reported from that book."
Summers, who has never said publicly whether he actually read the book, issued a statement saying that the "the hearsay attributed to me is a combination of fiction, distortion and words taken out of context."
Still, we don't have to take Suskind's word for it. Simply read the White House's own extraordinary February 2010 "annual review" memo, which top Obama adviser Pete Rouse prepared for the president. Suskind excerpts it in the book and the White House has not challenged its authenticity:
First there is deep dissatisfaction within the economic team with what is perceived to be Larry's imperious and heavy-handed direction of the economic policy process.
Second, when the economic team does not like a decision by the President, they have on occasion worked to re-litigate the overall policy.Third, when the policy direction is firmly decided, there can be consideration/reconsideration of the details until to the very last moments.
Fourth, once a decision is made, implementation by the Department of the Treasury has at times been slow and uneven. These factors all adversely affect execution of the policy process.
Meet the New Team
Most of the members of Obama's initial economic team -- including Summers, Orszag and Emanuel -- are gone, now.
Geithner, notably, remains.
And in the end, three white, male Clinton appointees with close ties to Wall Street were replaced by -- you guessed it -- three other white male Clinton appointees with ties to Wall Street.
Chief of Staff Bill Daley, formerly Clinton's secretary of commerce, came back to the White House fresh off an $8.7 million-a-year job at JPMorgan Chase. His appointment, particularly delighted Wall Street.
National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling, who held the exact same job under Clinton, made $2.2 million in 2008 alone, including $887,727 from Goldman Sachs for a part-time job advising it on its charitable giving and $158,000 for speeches mostly to financial companies.
New budget chief Jack Lew, who also had the exact same job under Clinton, made millions in between his White House stints at Citigroup, including a $950,000 bonus in 2009not long after the bank received billions of taxpayer dollars. (Lew told a Senate panel last year that deregulation didn't lead to the financial crisis.)
By all accounts, they're a nicer bunch than the men they replaced. None of them is anywhere near as "imperious and heavy handed" as Summers, who Suskind actually caught musing that "One of the challenges in our society is that the truth is kind of a disequalizer." According to Summers, "One of the reasons that inequality has probably gone up in our society is that people are being treated closer to the way that they're supposed to be treated."
(Summers recently wrote an op-ed for the Washington Post describing ways the government should mitigate rising inequality. It was greeted skeptically by some progressives.)
But are the new guys really philosophically different? Do they similarly defer to Wall Street? And block bold action? Were they hired to do so?
Because not much seemed to change after the old team left. In fact, many progressives felt that White House economic policy in the months-long debt ceiling debate actually hit a new low.
Part of that may have been political necessity. But even after the 2010 Republican House takeover, there were a lot of ways Obama could have successfully pursued his campaign-era agenda, and there are still even now several things he could do to goose the economy without Congress. But the White House doesn't act.
Edward Luce, the fearless Washington bureau chief of the Financial Times, recently wrote that the management problems continue.
Obama "remains unable to create a properly functioning White House," he wrote. "Much of governing is about managing. No one, so far, has been given the authority to restrain Mr Obama's inner circle. The effects have been sorely in evidence over the past 12 months." And, Luce concluded: "The plain fact is that Mr Obama prefers to campaign than govern."
The Bush White House famously had no real policymaking process at all -- something Suskind first exposed in a prescient January 2003 article in Esquire. But once the decision was made (perhaps inexplicably, probably by Dick Cheney) there was no second-guessing. Stuff happened.
When it comes to economic policy, at least, the Obama White House would appear to be the exact opposite: A lot of process, a few timid decisions, and almost no action.
The early-November de facto demotion of Daley, with most of his duties going to Rouse -- the writer of that memo, a veteran Obama aide with an unassuming demeanor and vast experience on the Hill -- could mean some changes ahead. But it's too soon to say, and Rouse is hardly considered the enforcer type.
The Suskind Factor
Like all of Suskind's recent books, Confidence Men doesn't just expose the secret goings-on that explain so much about how our government works. It also makes so much of the mainstream press coverage look shallow and credulous by comparison. That may go a long way toward explaining why his work sometimes gets a hostile reception in major media outlets.
Suskind's 2004 book, The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House and the Education of Paul O'Neill, for instance, was the first truly damning expose of George W. Bush's White House, putting its author years ahead of most of his media colleagues in recognizing the depths of its dysfunction and deceit in the Bush/Cheney administration.
Time and again, Suskind's revelations have initially been pooh-poohed by reporters who couldn't recreate his reporting -- and then much later were recognized as being utterly correct.
In his 2006 book, The One Percent Doctrine: Deep Inside America's Pursuit of Its Enemies Since 9/11, for instance, Suskind reported that terror suspect Abu Zubaida was a mentally disturbed minor al Qaeda functionary who, when tortured, made up plots against imaginary targets -- and that, as a result "thousands of uniformed men and women" were sent on wild goose chases.
It took the Washington Post three years to finally catch up with his reporting -- but in the meantime, the mainstream media had allowed Bush to routinely cite Zubaida as his Exhibit A that torture worked, unhampered by reality.
Now, the same press corps that Suskind showed up so many times seems to delight in pointing out minor errors in his nearly 500-page tome.
Leading the recent charge against Suskind was Jacob Weisberg, the editor in chief of the Washington Post Company's Slate Group. In a column entitled Don't Believe Ron Suskind, Weisberg repeated White House talking points and accused Suskind of fabrication.
But Weisberg's stance is less surprising when one considers that Suskind's book is basically one long evisceration of all things Rubin, and Weisberg is close to Rubin -- having actually co-authored Rubin's 2003 autobiography.
(Weisberg, in an e-mail, insisted he had no ulterior motive. "I've long mistrusted Suskind's journalism. I picked up his new book and got even more suspicious," he wrote. "I think the guy is a lousy reporter and decided to say so with evidence. It's got nothing at all to do with Rubin or the White House. I did my own homework. I think you'll find that most of the errors I found in the book weren't caught by the White House or anyone else before me." As for whether it was a mistake not to disclose his ties to Rubin in his article, Weisberg wrote that "it had nothing to do with my story. But obviously isn't any kind of secret.")
Meanwhile, in a more rigorous critique, Washington Post columnist Ezra Klein, writing in the New York Review of Books, accused the book of "incoherence" largely based on what he called a contradiction between Suskind's description of Summers as all-powerful -- and Suskind's own reporting about the several times Summers' more progressive ideas were rejected as too radical.
But in the book, Suskind never suggested that Summers or Geithner won all their battles; what he described was an environment in which Summers or Geithner -- or Emanuel -- all won some and lost some; an environment in which any one of the old Clinton hands could shoot down a bold idea as untested, too radical, unsellable, or too likely to spook the markets.
The only consistent theme, especially when it came to dealing with Wall Street or job creation, was that whoever was most cautious tended to emerge the victor, either outright, by winning over the president, or because they could block the execution.
Klein also argued that, while Obama clearly underestimated the severity of the financial crisis, the insufficient response was largely the fault of Congress. "The president is but one actor in the drama of American politics, and he is quite constrained in his capacity to make -- or remake -- American policy," Klein wrote.
But Suskind documents case after case in which the White House didn't even try -- and certainly never came even close to twisting arms the way, say, Lyndon Johnson might have.
Words And Deeds
Politically, Obama's economic policy has been a disaster. There was enormous political will to make the banks pay for their mistakes back in 2009 -- and judging by the Occupy movement, it's still there. It remains unsatisfied.
Bolder action -- especially when it comes to reducing the principal on underwater mortgages -- would have hugely stimulated the economy. A larger stimulus, or a second one, would have created jobs.
Perhaps more than anything else, not living up to his word has hurt the president across the board.
"It's about the connection between word and deed," says Suskind. "At day's end, what got George W. Bush re-elected was straight-shooter credit."
Consider what progressive hero Elizabeth Warren told Suskind in a September 2009 interview:
"You can't run a policy based on a misdirection, on a fiction," she said. "I don't know what the president is thinking. I don't see the president. He meets with bankers. He doesn't meet with me. But if he's involved in this at all, he's got to know that his angry words at Wall Street, at their recklessness and dangerous incentives in compensation, about how they do their business in ways utterly divorced from what's actually good for the economy -- that he can't just say that sort of thing, and then dump money in their laps and be credible."
So what does Obama need to do to persuade people that he means what he says? "Words are not enough," says Suskind.
"Right now, after the record that has expressed itself across four years, the only thing that will be proof of change is deeds -- meaning he takes on the assembled power of the financial capital in an 'either them or me' way."
He could also level with the public about the errors he made, and what he's learned from them.
He could fire Geithner -- like some people have been suggesting for nearly three years. (Although the New York Times recently wrote, in a gushing profile, that "Mr. Geithner's departure could signal additional instability to financial markets.")
Ultimately, the biggest question for voters who are troubled by Obama's failure to confront Wall Street despite his words is whether it reflects a weakness of character, a weakness of will, or a weakness in management style. Presumably the latter would be easier to correct in a second term.
But Suskind has no opinion -- and wonders if there's really much of a difference. Either way, it's a reflection of how Obama wields power. And until something dramatic happens, there's no reason to think it's going to change. "This White House," Suskind says, "is the one he constructed and presides over."
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Show AllRalph Nader says, "Do Democrats have no breaking point with Obama?" He was asking if there is any point at which the party and the people will say, "That's it! He couldn't even stand up for _________ (fill in the blank.) I'm done with him!"
That point was passed long ago for me. And Froomkin gives any person who is paying attention the opportunity to fill in the blank.
There are no credible candidates for the presidency and that includes the incumbent.
obama's credibility - whoosh! good one
this is a good week for belly laughs here at cd
do you mean barak obummer, barry soetero or bari shabbaz
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
obama's credibility - man that one's gonna last the weekend
How about Barry ZERO.
The exciting new band of the new millenium, that bombed...we present:
Barry Zero and the Nullset!!!
Oooh oooh oooh I know
That would be the "Set of all thinking people who vote for Obama"
Yeah I stopped reading at the "Obama campaigns populist vision," I knew we were getting Bush term III as soon as he appointed his cabinet, some people are slow because keeping faith in the system benefits their "middle class" (wealth by world standards) interest.
The Obama administration is schizophrenic. Obama talks populist while his appointees "do" conservative and right wing. It's the political version of good cop, bad cop. It's a setup. Obama has never been a populist, so one has to ask why he took on this persona for the public. His hidden conservative persona, which we don't see but which comes through loud and clear with every bill he signs, is the real Obama. So, voters, you have a choice between conservative and conservative in 2012.
I would say: Sneaky Conservative and Whacko Conservative.
Where is it written that we have only two choices for president in 2012? A person can vote for anyone at all for president. That leaves millions of choices for Americans as far as I know. We have a 99.999999999999999999999999% of the population choice for people to vote for, not .00000000000000000000000000001 percent as is insinuated by a two person vote.
How many votes from the electoral college will go to the countless other write ins?
The argument that the electoral college is a reason to believe you can only vote for one of two evidently corrupt leaders is rolled out over and over and over. The person who then votes for one of two corrupt leaders because of the evidently corrupt electoral college will only vote in one of their evidently corrupt cohorts argument is a pretty interesting argument in favor of status quo and their 1%.
That's a good point, Leea. As far as I can tell, we're in GWB's third term.
Thanks for this awesome analysis by Dan Froomkin and Ron Suskind of the financial team representing the "bipartisan" 1%, CD. Insightful, accurate, historical.
Bill in Dubuque
Huh??? Never mind.
Aloha
As I posted earlier, former Salt Lake City mayor Rocky Anderson is going to run for president under a third party called The Justice Party. I'll vote for him in a heartbeat. This is a good, credible man. Please read his bio at Wikipedia.
“(t)he Constitution has been eviscerated while Democrats have stood by with nary a whimper. It is a gutless, unprincipled party, bought and paid for by the same interests that buy and pay for the Republican Party."[17]--Rocky Anderson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Anderson
(He's a fantastic speaker, too. Obama pales in comparison, because Rocky Anderson means what he says.
“(t)he Constitution has been eviscerated while Democrats have stood by with nary a whimper. It is a gutless, unprincipled party, bought and paid for by the same interests that buy and pay for the Republican Party."[17]--Rocky Anderson
It would be a pleasure to vote for Rocky Anderson.
Thank you lefttown for the news on RA and The Justice Party. I would have preferred that Rocky Anderson run as a Green Party candidate. However, seeing that Nader chose not to after 2000, I can understand. A Nader/Anderson ticket would also be sweet.
Right On!!! I just wrote something very similar in the comments section of the article @ Gingrich. Rocky Anderson has a Party platform in place, and just needs to get the word out. I was thrilled to hear he was announcing his candidacy on "Democracy Now!" Hopefully, they'll do an interview with him soon, as well as Keith Olbermann and even MSNBC.
If the Tea Party could do it, so can we!
As a former resident of Salt lake, I'd also vote for Anderson in a heartbeat.
I'd also vote for Wayne Owens were he still alive.
It's kind of funny that so many REAL Democrats have come out of what may be the most Conservative Rerpublican state in the union.
I will never forget the time when I walked into the voting place in Salt lake and overheard someone asking the election volunteer " Which lever do I pull to vote Republican?"
of ocurse, the same thing happens in reverse in some "Democratic" states.
Mindless voting at its best.
It is also very funny (to me, at least) that what is supposed to be the most "liberal" state -- California -- produces so many fake Democrats like Pelosi, Feinstein, etc.
Again, the result of mindless voting.
The Justice Party agenda includes: Tax the rich and corporations; end the wars, bring troops home, and cut military spending; strengthen Social Security and Medicare; end corporate welfare and get money out of politics; transition to a clean energy economy, raise wages, create jobs and protect worker rights.
http://open.salon.com/blog/rick_lucke/2011/12/02/the_justice_party_rocky_anderson_ows
Read it. Follow the links. Offer support. So far I like what I see and hear!
I don't it for a minute believe that Obana wants to do the right thing, but now instead of it being those pesky republicans it's his own staff holding him back.
Richard wolffe wrote a book detailing how Obama personally killed off the volker rule(killed off the good parts) - not his staff.
Obama was the one saying these criminal bankster fucks are 'Savvy businessmen' and deserving of their large salaries and bailouts.
He coupled that with open distain for 'house flippers' and said he wouldn't support wholesale mortgage help because a "house flipper" might get made whole. Flipping stocks is perfectly fine and to be honored but buy a house fix it up and resell is to be condemned. And Obama would rather throw the entire housing market (upon which rests the entire freaking economy) under the bus to punish a few people who dare work for themselves.
And that's just one tiny slice of the obama corruption and active whoring the oilybomber engages in for the Banksters and Predators destroying the middle class, the us economy, the usa dollar and the environment.
Thank you Donna & Mt. Don, you both made the points I intended to make. The CIA calls the tactic, "Plausible Deniability." Many will take as plausible that Obama's hands are tied due to all those awful Republicans trying to hold back all the "progressive" policies his glimmering speeches lent faith to. In this instance, it's the intransigence of his own financial advisors. Sure. Like he didn't know who these assholes were before he gave them the keys to the kingdom, added to access to the Fed's monetary printing presses. Poor Obama, the inexperienced Prez is just pushed around by these guys.
In the same way the MSM goes after Susskind for even DARING to mention the odd inversions inside this presidency (and its possible reasons), I've seen the same tactics used in this forum to discredit important writers, speakers, and activists. Note, too, that a similar approach was used to discredit climate scientists. These right wing true believers look for any flaw in a writer's (or researcher's) manuscript, and then use that as a means to deflect consideration for the wider, more important truths these honest sources reveal.
Maybe fate will be kind and send a flock of birds directly into the Koch family jet??? That would at least be A Beginning.
"One of the challenges in our society is that the truth is kind of a disequalizer." According to Summers, 'One of the reasons that inequality has probably gone up in our society is that people are being treated closer to the way that they're supposed to be treated.''
I understand he is one of the most brilliant men in the world so he should know. And so it goes.
I'm assuming you're being sarcastic? This guy thinks the hierarchy--where privilege allots the lives of kings to a few, and misery to the rest--equals The Natural Order. I don't have the quote on hand, but Summers made an incredibly sexist statement some years back when he was employed at an Ivy League College. The guy doesn't like anyone who's not a white male of financial means, or otherwise honorary minorities player in the club composed of the so-called "Masters of the Universe." He'll be cleaning toilets in hell for somethng pretty close to eternity for playing such a direct role in costing many their lives, homes, livelihoods, and marriages. And I didn't even get to the debt to Gaia part yet, either.
He said women are not good at math. He was the president of Harvard University.
There was more to the quote than that, and you sound like an apologist for the s--m bag. Nice work. You're not especially awesome, more like dumbstruck.
I read awesome's comments as pure and simple sarcasm. BTW, this is from wikipedia:
[Summers] he suggested that the under-representation of women in science and engineering could be due to a "different availability of aptitude at the high end," and less to patterns of discrimination and socialization.
With the obvious sexist "patterns of discrimination and socialization" that are deeply embedded in patriarchal society, it would be next to impossible to know. But anyone can speculate as Summers does. One could say that, "at the high end," men have a "different availability of aptitude" for empathy.
Siousrose, I'm surprised at you. This is what Summers actually said, simplified. He also once said that African and other third world countries were seriously underpolluted, that they'd be a great place to dump garbage and toxins. Later he claimed he was kidding.
Sounds like Summers is overpolluted.
Well am sorry I said anything.
Hi awesome, Buck up, we have all felt the stinking rebuke of the infallible SR. Keep posting and Good Day!
Is anyone seriously listening to the excuses of these criminal conspirators (and decidedly JUNIOR partners-in-crime) anymore? The GAs continue to discuss "what is to be done", that's the important story now. All that is left for these conspirators is to decide the nature of their punishment (and the Gods & Goddesses of karma will definitely weigh in, in any case).
Time will tell what percentage are still listening to the excuses of those who seem to be involved in criminal activity on one hand even as they make claims to serve the people with the other.
One thing left to be done is vote for a different person and party to represent us.
For anyone with intelligence, empathy and common decency the 2012 election campaign is going to be insufferable. Barack Obama and the Democrats, a slick group of frauds and con artists, vs whichever moron the Republicans nominate. And billions will be spent on this exercise in moral and intellectual depravity. Arrgghh!
If we just ignore this nonsense, and focus on trying to figure out how to actually change things, it won't hurt near as much.
Our problem is, the majority would rather focus on the nonsense. It's easier.
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How can people at this late date still believe this president is anything but on the other side as Jeff Cohen, Glenn Greenwald, and others have abundantly explained? He saw it coming back three months at most into this president's term in the White House about the same time as Howard Zinn when some were really getting on Zinn for not being a cheerleader for this president. But for anyone now to be so naive just boggles the mind. I'm really sorry for people still taken in by this phony. He's done more harm to the US Democrats than even Tony Blair did to British Labor, and that's really saying something. Progressive movements have become moribund until the OWS folks showed up to their everlasting credit as Wayne Morse would have put it as I can say that having seen him give talks in person in Oregon. He courld really tear into the bad guys and he was a law professor as well with a solid expertise on the US Consitution that would make the current president look like a nothing.
...and, I might add, a Republican. There are a few good ones.
Yes possibly very insufferable indeed but you left out the third group that it will be potentially insufferable for, your group who cannot see either conventional party as a real choice nor can you see a progressive party as a choice at all.
There is nothing more insufferable but the paralyzing inability to choose when there is a choice to be had.
Obama is a fraud, a deceit, a disaster, a war criminal, a liar -- in short, one of the worst presidents, on a par with Bush senior and junior, Johnson, Nixon, and, of course, Reagan. He stands in the great tradition of sociopathic presidents.
That's one way to look at it. The other is that the office of POTUS is largely ceremonial. Whoever is in office is given certain parameters to work within, and if they stray, they're goners, literally.
Imagine we were talking about football, lets say the Packers. Pretend over the last 30 years they've sometimes had head coaches from top college programs, some who were drunks and couldn't care less, and some who hadn't even played football before yet alone coached. Now imagine that regardless, they lost every game yet the team owner (who hasn't changed in 30 yrs) got richer every year! Would you think the coach has anything to do with winning or losing? Or would you think the owner is fixing games behind the scenes and coaching the coach on what to say to keep people buying tickets?
KANE: I agree with your post, especially the first paragraph. However, I'd add that it was not always this way, and it seems very likely that the NAS and the "covert" government, an arm of the MIC and beloved by its bankster enablers, made inroads to cripple the power of the presidency over recent decades. Seems to me the Sting began in the late l940's, although J Edgar Hoover's "Old Guard" were waiting in the wings, themselves probably the outgrowth of the carpetbaggers and those who begrudged the slightest governmental regulation of their plans for absolute wealth added to absolute (citizen) control. And they SO love to talk about God & Country, patriotism, freedom and democracy... the same brands loaned to Iraq with casualties exceeding the MILLION mark. If there were a Satan, you'd have to say, this scam has to qualify as one of that entity's finest... and it's managed to last for centuries, just changing costumes to suit the various time periods and applicable geography. It's really a variation on the way the conquistadors stole the lands from the Indigenous and then tortured them for not converting to the kinder, gentler teachings of the Xtian god...
I agree. I like to think of it this way. Just because a group post-WW2 says they hate the Nazis and the Fascists doesn't mean they disagree with them. It only means the lesson they learned from WW2 is you can't carry out "the program" in the open as Hitler did.
"made inroads to cripple the power of the presidency"
I don't think the presidency itself has been crippled. If anything, presidential powers have been strengthened - in horrible, repressive ways. I think it's more a matter of big money's ability to identify, vet, groom, and then purchase the compliant candidate of their choice. The next stage is when they take it to the people, convincing us that their puppet has an agenda reflective of our best interests.
Given that ability, why wouldn't they want the president to have dictatorial powers? From behind the curtain, it has been all too easy for them to simply pull the strings. They can't have direct power, that would be uncouth. The power must be vested in a "democratically elected public servant."
"If there were a Satan, you'd have to say, this scam has to qualify as one of that entity's finest." But I thought Satin was only interested in making us love sex too much. The creep is also messing with our politics? hmph.
RVR: Thanks for the earlier post and the Summer's quote. (And the wise empathy retort.) I think we're saying the same thing here. The seat of the presidency, as "unitary executive" now officially extended the 007 license to kill (and therefore place all facets of the Bill of Rights into history's junk heap) HAS expanded, yet it's a figurehead role. He, himself, is obviously acting as puppet to far more coordinated, long-established interests. As many have pointed out, Obama takes marching orders and then tries to do an effective tap dance, added to the mesmerizing (to some) use of his shoe shine smile, to gloss over the reality of what's actually going on.
Wildfire: I have no idea what your post to me means.
If Obama is acting as a puppet to other interests, then it isn't a ceremonial role because he actually has power to act as a puppet (for the interests as others); rather Obama would simply be corrupt.. I'll comment more on the ceremonial issue on another post.
I disagree that the Presidency is largely ceremonial. I'd also be interested in what you mean by that if they stray, they're goners, literally. Examples? Yeah, they may not get reelected but that leaves four years of power and if you are in the make change, you don't care about getting reelected. The problem is that the US continues to elect presidents from the corrupt political duopoly. Examples of Presidential Powers.
The president has the most powerful bully pulprit in the world to advocate change and expose the corrupt system. The fact that the elected Dem and Repub presidents don't use it only means they are part of the corrupts system.
The president chooses his cabinet that carries out the president's policies. As this article points out, Obama chose cabinet members that were against the change he advocated. That was Obama's choice. It should have been no surprise Obama's choice of Hillary Clinton would lead to neocon policies as she was one of the most vocal to attack Iraq. If Obama chose wrong, it is a simple as getting rid of them and getting new cabinet members.
Presidential veto power is as strong or stronger than Congressmembers' power to filibuster. Obama hasn't used the power
The President has the power to change regulations, such as in the EPA. The Democrats and Republicans go back and forth tweaking the regulations everytime they change power.
The presdent sets foreign policy. Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama have all used their platform to set foreign policy.
The president is Commander in Chief. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush... have all led our forces to attack other countries. Obama has expanded our drone war to other countries, he led our efforts in Libya with the consultation of just a few senators...
The power of the presidency is also seen in all the secret non-public meetings the president has with people who try and influence him, e.g., health care bill.
Kane, this may not apply to you, but a lot of Demobots say the Presidency is just ceremonial to give cover to Obama. Now the fact that Obama may be bought out by outside influences only makes him corrupt, but the position is not ceremonial.
PROG: From an ostensible perspective, the president appears to have all the choices you've carefully delineated. My contention is that to get to BE that person, you're already bought and paid for. And in case there are any doubts, as to whose loyalties will be served, the fate of JFK and others stands as prima facie evidence.
Like the forum's more astute political analysts, I believe Obama presented the FACE the nation needed to provide cover. This FACE was so new and unprecedented: "Wow, a Black man as prez! Look how far this (otherwise barbaric) nation has come!" I've often used the phrase, it was the triumph of packaging over substance. And it served as a rather ingenious cover in that EVERY ONE of the policies put into motion by Bush, along with the more "Republican lite" initiatives taken on the part of Clinton were furthered, to the point of endorsed, by the "new" presidency. Such a seamless narrative hardly suggests that THE MAN IN CHARGE is the one writing the script. In fact, to believe that these days is right up there with an expectation that Santa will show up down your chimney.
The person in the oval office certainly has "choices" at his or her disposal, but how far will the bankers, lobbyists, and above all... the MIC allow them to go?
A lot has changed since the National Security apparatus got underway, and since media got bought out by the same special interests that pre-select their candidate to do their bidding... Therefore all those "choices" you specify become about as authentic as the vote count, or idea that Americans actually choose their president. The premise, however, does read well in history books, particularly those prepared by Authoritarians.
I believe a combination of your and my explanation clarifies the issue sufficiently. My issue is too often I hear people call the Presidency a ceremonial position simply to give political cover to the President so he (so far) can get reelected (not saying that was Kane's intention). In the same way, too often I hear people say excuse our elected leaders because they throw their hands up and say "all politicians are bad, what can you do" and then they go and vote for them in the next election. When one hears of a ceremonial position, often what comes to mind is Queen Elizabeth's role, or the presidency in some countries where the power lies in the prime minister's hands. So, when I hear these political catch phrases being casually thrown around, I often challenge them.
We have a sociopathic system, 'democratic' capitalism, that has always required war to expand, that is perpetual war against humanity.