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Post-Legal America and the National Security Complex
Is the Libyan war legal? Was Bin Laden’s killing legal? Is it legal for the president of the United States to target an American citizen for assassination? Were those “enhanced interrogation techniques” legal? These are all questions raised in recent weeks. Each seems to call out for debate, for answers. Or does it?
Now, you couldn’t call me a legal scholar. I’ve never set foot inside a law school, and in 66 years only made it onto a single jury (dismissed before trial when the civil suit was settled out of court). Still, I feel at least as capable as any constitutional law professor of answering such questions.
My answer is this: they are irrelevant. Think of them as twentieth-century questions that don't begin to come to grips with twenty-first century American realities. In fact, think of them, and the very idea of a nation based on the rule of law, as a reflection of nostalgia for, or sentimentality about, a long-lost republic. At least in terms of what used to be called “foreign policy,” and more recently “national security,” the United States is now a post-legal society. (And you could certainly include in this mix the too-big-to-jail financial and corporate elite.)
It’s easy enough to explain what I mean. If, in a country theoretically organized under the rule of law, wrongdoers are never brought to justice and nobody is held accountable for possibly serious crimes, then you don’t have to be a constitutional law professor to know that its citizens actually exist in a post-legal state. If so, “Is it legal?” is the wrong question to be asking, even if we have yet to discover the right one.
Pretzeled Definitions of Torture
Of course, when it came to a range of potential Bush-era crimes -- the use of torture, the running of offshore “black sites,” the extraordinary rendition of terrorist suspects to lands where they would be tortured, illegal domestic spying and wiretapping, and the launching of wars of aggression -- it’s hardly news that no one of the slightest significance has ever been brought to justice. On taking office, President Obama offered a clear formula for dealing with this issue. He insisted that Americans should “look forward, not backward” and turn the page on the whole period, and then set his Justice Department to work on other matters. But honestly, did anyone anywhere ever doubt that no Bush-era official would be brought to trial here for such potential crimes?
Everyone knows that in the United States if you’re a robber caught breaking into someone’s house, you’ll be brought to trial, but if you’re caught breaking into someone else’s country, you’ll be free to take to the lecture circuit, write your memoirs, or become a university professor.
Of all the “debates” over legality in the Bush and Obama years, the torture debate has perhaps been the most interesting, and in some ways, the most realistic. After 9/11, the Bush administration quickly turned to a crew of hand-picked Justice Department lawyers to create the necessary rationale for what its officials most wanted to do -- in their quaint phrase, “take the gloves off.” And those lawyers responded with a set of pseudo-legalisms that put various methods of “information extraction” beyond the powers of the Geneva Conventions, the U.N.’s Convention Against Torture (signed by President Ronald Reagan and ratified by the Senate), and domestic anti-torture legislation, including the War Crimes Act of 1996 (passed by a Republican Congress).
In the process, they created infamously pretzled new definitions for acts previously accepted as torture. Among other things, they essentially left the definition of whether an act was torture or not to the torturer (that is, to what he believed he was doing at the time). In the process, acts that had historically been considered torture became “enhanced interrogation techniques.” An example would be waterboarding, which had once been bluntly known as “the water torture” or “the water cure” and whose perpetrators had, in the past, been successfully prosecuted in American military and civil courts. Such techniques were signed off on after first reportedly being “demonstrated” in the White House to an array of top officials, including the vice-president, the national security adviser, the attorney general, and the secretary of state.
In the U.S. (and here was the realism of the debate that followed), the very issue of legality fell away almost instantly. Newspapers rapidly replaced the word “torture” -- when applied to what American interrogators did -- with the term “enhanced interrogation techniques,” which was widely accepted as less controversial and more objective. At the same time, the issue of the legality of such techniques was superseded by a fierce national debate over their efficacy. It has lasted to this day and returned with a bang with the bin Laden killing.
Nothing better illustrates the nature of our post-legal society. Anti-torture laws were on the books in this country. If legality had truly mattered, it would have been beside the point whether torture was an effective way to produce “actionable intelligence” and so prepare the way for the killing of a bin Laden.
By analogy, it’s perfectly reasonable to argue that robbing banks can be a successful and profitable way to make a living, but who would agree that a successful bank robber hadn’t committed an act as worthy of prosecution as an unsuccessful one caught on the spot? Efficacy wouldn’t matter in a society whose central value was the rule of law. In a post-legal society in which the ultimate value espoused is the safety and protection a national security state can offer you, it means the world.
As if to make the point, the Supreme Court recently offered a post-legal ruling for our moment: it declined to review a lower court ruling that blocked a case in which five men, who had experienced extraordinary rendition (a fancy globalized version of kidnapping) and been turned over to torturing regimes elsewhere by the CIA, tried to get their day in court. No such luck. The Obama administration claimed (as had the Bush administration before it) that simply bringing such a case to court would imperil national security (that is, state secrets) -- and won. As Ben Wizner, the American Civil Liberties Union lawyer who argued the case, summed matters up, "To date, every victim of the Bush administration's torture regime has been denied his day in court."
To put it another way, every CIA torturer, all those involved in acts of rendition, and all the officials who okayed such acts, as well as the lawyers who put their stamp of approval on them, are free to continue their lives untouched. Recently, the Obama administration even went to court to “prevent a lawyer for a former CIA officer convicted in Italy in the kidnapping of a radical Muslim cleric from privately sharing classified information about the case with a Federal District Court judge.” (Yes, Virginia, elsewhere in the world a few Americans have been tried in absentia for Bush-era crimes.) In response, wrote Scott Shane of the New York Times, the judge “pronounced herself ‘literally speechless.’”
The realities of our moment are simple enough: other than abusers too low-level (see England, Lynndie and Graner, Charles) to matter to our national security state, no one in the CIA, and certainly no official of any sort, is going to be prosecuted for the possible crimes Americans committed in the Bush years in pursuit of the Global War on Terror.
On Not Blowing Whistles
It’s beyond symbolic, then, that only one figure from the national security world seems to remain in the “legal” crosshairs: the whistle-blower. If, as the president of the United States, you sign off on a system of warrantless surveillance of Americans -- the sort that not so long ago was against the law in this country -- or if you happen to run a giant telecom company and go along with that system by opening your facilities to government snoops, or if you run the National Security Agency or are an official in it overseeing the kind of data mining and intelligence gathering that goes with such a program, then -- as recent years have made clear -- you are above the law.
If, however, you happen to be an NSA employee who feels that the agency has overstepped the bounds of legality in its dealings with Americans, that it is moving in Orwellian directions, and that it should be exposed, and if you offer even unclassified information to a newspaper reporter, as was the case with Thomas Drake, be afraid, be very afraid. You may be prosecuted by the Bush and then Obama Justice Departments, and threatened with 35 years in prison under the Espionage Act (not for “espionage,” but for having divulged the most minor of low-grade state secrets in a world in which, increasingly, everything having to do with the state is becoming a secret).
If you are a CIA employee who tortured no one but may have given information damaging to the reputation of the national security state -- in this case about a botched effort to undermine the Iranian nuclear program -- to a journalist, watch out. You are likely, as in the case of Jeffrey Sterling, to find yourself in a court of law. And if you happen to be a journalist like James Risen who may have received that information, you are likely to be hit by a Justice Department subpoena attempting to force you to reveal your source, under threat of imprisonment for contempt of court.
If you are a private in the U.S. military with access to a computer with low-level classified material from the Pentagon’s wars and the State Department’s activities on it, if you’ve seen something of the grim reality of what the national security state looks like when superimposed on Iraq, and if you decide to shine some light on that world, as Bradley Manning did, they’ll toss you into prison and throw away the key. You’ll be accused of having “blood on your hands” and tried, again under the Espionage Act, by those who actually have blood on their hands and are beyond all accountability.
When it comes to acts of state today, there is only one law: don’t pull up the curtain on the doings of any aspect of our spreading National Security Complex or the imperial executive that goes with it. As CIA Director Leon Panetta put it in addressing his employees over leaks about the operation to kill bin Laden, “Disclosure of classified information to anyone not cleared for it -- reporters, friends, colleagues in the private sector or other agencies, former Agency officers -- does tremendous damage to our work. At worst, leaks endanger lives... Unauthorized disclosure of those details not only violates the law, it seriously undermines our capability to do our job."
And when someone in Congress actually moves to preserve some aspect of older notions of American privacy (versus American secrecy), as Senator Rand Paul did recently in reference to the Patriot Act, he is promptly smeared as potentially “giving terrorists the opportunity to plot attacks against our country, undetected."
Enhanced Legal Techniques
Here is the reality of post-legal America: since the attacks of September 11, 2001, the National Security Complex has engorged itself on American fears and grown at a remarkable pace. According to Top Secret America, a Washington Post series written in mid-2010, 854,000 people have “top secret” security clearances, “33 building complexes for top-secret intelligence work are under construction or have been built since September 2001... 51 federal organizations and military commands, operating in 15 U.S. cities, track the flow of money to and from terrorist networks... [and] some 1,271 government organizations and 1,931 private companies work on programs related to counterterrorism, homeland security, and intelligence in about 10,000 locations across the United States.”
Just stop a moment to take that in. And then let this sink in as well: whatever any one of those employees does inside that national security world, no matter how “illegal” the act, it’s a double-your-money bet that he or she will never be prosecuted for it (unless it happens to involve letting Americans know something about just how they are being “protected”).
Consider what it means to have a U.S. Intelligence Community (as it likes to call itself) made up of 17 different agencies and organizations, a total that doesn’t even include all the smaller intelligence offices in the National Security Complex, which for almost 10 years proved incapable of locating its global enemy number one. Yet, as everyone now agrees, that man was living in something like plain sight, exchanging messages with and seeing colleagues in a military and resort town near Islamabad, the Pakistani capital. And what does it mean that, when he was finally killed, it was celebrated as a vast intelligence victory?
The Intelligence Community with its $80 billion-plus budget, the National Security Complex, including the Pentagon and that post-9/11 creation, the Department of Homeland Security, with its $1.2 trillion-plus budget, and the imperial executive have thrived in these years. They have all expanded their powers and prerogatives based largely on the claim that they are protecting the American people from potential harm from terrorists out to destroy our world.
Above all, however, they seem to have honed a single skill: the ability to protect themselves, as well as the lobbyists and corporate entities that feed off them. They have increased their funds and powers, even as they enveloped their institutions in a penumbra of secrecy. The power of this complex of institutions is still on the rise, even as the power and wealth of the country it protects is visibly in decline.
Now, consider again the question “Is it legal?” When it comes to any act of the National Security Complex, it’s obviously inapplicable in a land where the rule of law no longer applies to everyone. If you are a ordinary citizen, of course, it applies to you, but not if you are part of the state apparatus that officially protects you. The institutional momentum behind this development is simple enough to demonstrate: it hardly mattered that, after George W. Bush took off those gloves, the next president elected was a former constitutional law professor.
Think of the National Security Complex as the King George of the present moment. In the areas that matter to that complex, Congress has ever less power and, as in the case of the war in Libya or the Patriot Act, is ever more ready to cede what power it has left.
So democracy? The people’s representatives? How quaint in a world in which our real rulers are unelected, shielded by secrecy, and supported by a carefully nurtured, almost religious attitude toward security and the U.S. military.
The National Security Complex has access to us, to our lives and communications, though we have next to no access to it. It has, in reserve, those enhanced interrogation techniques and when trouble looms, a set of what might be called enhanced legal techniques as well. It has the ability to make war at will (or whim). It has a growing post-9/11 secret army cocooned inside the military: 20,000 or more troops in special operations outfits like the SEAL team that took down bin Laden, also enveloped in secrecy. In addition, it has the CIA and a fleet of armed drone aircraft ready to conduct its wars and operations globally in semi-secrecy and without the permission or oversight of the American people or their representatives.
And war, of course, is the ultimate aphrodisiac for the powerful.
Theoretically, the National Security Complex exists only to protect you. Its every act is done in the name of making you safer, even if the idea of safety and protection doesn’t extend to your job, your foreclosed home, or aid in disastrous times.
Welcome to post-legal America. It's time to stop wondering whether its acts are illegal and start asking: Do you really want to be this “safe”?


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Show AllIn addition to Engelhardt's tally above, let us not forget to mention our increasingly militarized police forces that are practically impossible to hold accountable for their actions and whose tactics become more violent each year. Additionally, let us remember the two and a half million of our fellow citizens that languish in our gulag archipelago, more than one percent of our population, some on life sentences for something like stealing a peice of pizza. "Post-legal" is a euphemism; call it what it is, degenerate fascism.
Tony Vodvarka
When an objective history of the US is written (from somewhere outside the US, of course), the era from 1980 onward will be labeled the decriminalization era during which organized criminals take over the government and decriminalize large scale, high value crime, while further criminalizing petty crime.
The best illustration of this era will be the fact that thousands of bankers went to jail for their crimes that caused the 1980s savings and loan meltdown (a domestic, boutique financial crisis compared to the global 2008 meltdown), while the banksters who caused the 2008 meltdown have been rewarded with endless taxpayer-funded corporate welfare, and none of them have even been indicted, let alone tried for their actions which affected people across the globe and would have been crimes 20 years ago but were decriminalized in the interim.
"Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. F*ck Hope.'"
george carlin, rip with love george we miss ya!
George Carlin was more than a comic. He was what a prophet used to be, someone who spoke truth to power. He had a way of speaking the truth none of us want to admit to ourselves and when he'd say it to us we'd laugh instead of wanting to stone him or make him drink poison.
God, I miss him
Yes, and also the labeling and persecution of Peace(ful) Protesters as terrorists. All parts of the same coin...
What was called the ethics and law
is backed by the rule of powers claw.
its talons bloodied with gore.
All rights come from using weapons of war.
Fossil-fueled technology drives military power,
Manufactured to make nations cower.
While corporations do all resources devour.
Civilians wither and die, as rich take profits flower.
With such wealth the organized empires bring,
all relations are reduced to a carbon thing.
The right to burn energy for highest excess,
turns everything else into a great big mess.
And a mess of everything is your only right.
With limits to growth well within sight.
To get what we truly deserve we fight,
till human kind gets its last endless night.
While solar solutions beckon and call,
Those in power still work towards our fall.
The faster we reach our limits, then stall,
the greater the devastation for us all.
wow!
love it!
Reading this made me think about the convoluted and deliberately complicated 'reasoning' behind the illegal profits and events that led to the collapse of ENRON.
Very few of those who were responsible for that clusterfuck were ever prosecute either.
I have been saying for years that the US is in deep, deep trouble.
After the FISA vote when Obama voted to give telecoms RETROACTIVE IMMUNITY for SPYING ON CITIZENS,
you expected him to be better on civil liberties?
Jill, I really don't know much about Tom Engelhardt, but assumed he was progressive. That to me implies recognizing that Obama condones torture and extraordinary renditions, in part because he blatantly condones such things as "targeted" assassinations and has failed to reverse virtually anything established by Bush II. Your remarks suggest to me that Engelhardt's article is entirely serious, not satirical or ironic, and doesn't really condemn the post-legalism it discusses. Is that your view?
I take issue with this, Jill:
"That was part of his campaign propaganda/mystic."
You probably meant mystique... which is to project an aura of mystery. A mystic, is someone who studies the ageless wonders and mysteries of this world, and beyond. That hardly fits Obama.
Also, Jill, from the tone of your writing, your focus on what is absolutely CORRECT appears as rather authoritarian.
Mr. Engelhardt did a VERY good job in this article, and you are trying to discredit him. I've noticed that many who post on CD either pretend to be progressives, or otherwise use their critical skills to attack important voices on the Left on a regular basis. I find this very suspicious.
I did not take the same message from this piece that you did. Engelhardt may be going LIGHTER on Obama, than on Bush, the more evident "author of the doctrine," but he in NO WAY is giving Obama any pass in this article.
Team loyalties run VERY deep in Amerika, and some of this enters into the political arena. Third parties are up against enormous challenges, many of these structural impediments built into the Constitution itself. Therefore, while there were ominous portents BEFORE Obama was elected, that he would hardly take any progressive course, until the data came in... and it's been IN in abundant supply, of the degree of complicity with the darkest motives & modus operandi of the prior administration (as per its enthusiastic continuation of DIRE policies), many informed individuals with Left/Progressive inclinations thought they'd make the best of the options available.
Your intense black-white, either-or, blame-focused writing carries a punitive sting. It's as if you demand perfection. That's hardly possible... especially these days.
Engelhardt has done the important work of laying out all the malfeasance by expertly chronicling the critical developments that have taken place, in support of that evidence. How about giving credit where credit is due... instead of seeking out the one flaw in the person's past positions?
I don't think the left acts as a circular firing squad. There is a pattern on CD, where regardless of the STATURE of the source, from Chomsky to Hedges and everyone in between, a few in this forum condescend, by casting serious allegations at those who have courageously assumed positions inside "the ring of fire." I have to question their motives. This crap happens too often to suggest anything other than an orchestrated pattern... one intended to knee-cap the left, by demeaning every one of its most public voices, one by one.
Siouxrose (May 31 2011 - 12:48pm), I'm troubled by your comments about Jill. In particular, by the statement, "I've noticed that many who post on CD either pretend to be progressives, or otherwise use their critical skills to attack important voices on the Left on a regular basis. I find this very suspicious."
You have essentially accused Jill of pretending to be progressive when she's not. That is, of being insincere. And you imply that she calls her character into question by "regularly" disagreeing with "important" persons who have leftist views, regardless of the merit of her thinking. In my opinion, unless such accusations are accompanied by proof – much more than you’ve provided here – they aren’t constructive.
I believe Jill misunderstood Engelhardt, but I think Engelhardt invited that by failing to expressly say in his article that the "post-legal" state of affairs he discusses shouldn't be tolerated. What does he mean by, “It's time to stop wondering whether its acts are illegal and start asking: Do you really want to be this ‘safe’?” It almost sounds like he really believes the letter of the law, with respect to matters affecting international relations, is irrelevant.
Jill said Engelhardt doesn’t “accept the fact that the current administration engages in torture, extraordinary renditions, etc.” That’s a statement that I would like you and she to cite evidence for or against. If she’s misstated his position, criticize her for that.
Jill,
Perhaps the good Mr Englehardt is just making the broad statement that nobody expected prosecutions for the same reason I thought so. And it wasn't because I thought Obama would turn out as bad as he did or that his administration would put these same policies on steroids.
It was simply Nancy "Impeachment Off The Table" Pelosi. Remember her? So why would impeachment be off the table from day one of the American public handing overwhelming majorities in Congress? Could it be because to prosecute Bush, Cheney, or even those who actually performed the torture would open most of the congressional leadership to prosecution as co-conspiritors?
Private briefings and secret meetings weren't limited to the Bush White House, they extended to the top leadership of both the Senate and the House of Representatives.
The leadership of BOTH parties were neck deep in all these illegal acts long before the election of 2008. So I can actually understand where Tom's coming from as I never really expected any prosecutions either. I hoped there would be, but I never really thought there would be. And until we in this country clear out every single member of Congress and start anew with people who've had no part in these past dozen years of decision making we'll never see a return to the rule of law.
Took the words right out of my mouth, GoingGreen. That one example showed me what a lying, opportunist betrayer Obama was, and what he really thought of civil liberties.
Excellent link, thanks.
"Working as a book editor and teaching occasionally at Berkeley hardly qualify's (sic) you to recognize it in any case". likeitornot, your shit detector (Hemmingway's phrase) is not functioning properly.
likeitornot: Must you regurgitate every right wing talking point?
A simple query for you: Is water boarding torture?
No, I think he enjoys it.
What evidence do you have that Venezuela is a Fascist country instead of a democratic socialistic nation?
I'm tired of seeing liberals jumping on the band wagon to join the demonization of Chavez and accuse this democratically elected leader of being a dictator because he has implemented socialist policies that have taken away the unearned wealth of the elite.
No war with Venezuela. Start saying it now. If we wait until the machine starts moving it will be too late to stop it.
Right on, LibWing. Americans like to bash Venezuela because Chavez has used their oil wealth to help the poor and the working class. Right wing Venezuelans (i.e., the rich) have much in common with right wing Colombians, who have oppressed the poor for generations and slaughtered them by the thousands. Chavez has won election after election, despite massive opposition by the US and even attempted coups, while at the same time the US has remained a steadfast friend of the Butchers in Bogota.
One can't forget the three attempted right wing Venezuelan coups, backed by the CIA against Chavez, including the almost successful attempt to abduct him on a registered CIA plane!
From http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/800 :
- "An extraordinary award-winning documentary by filmmaker Angel Palacios, “Puente Llaguno: Claves de un Masacre”, revealed how the Venezuelan private media had manipulated and distorted the events that unfolded on April 11, 2002 in the opposition march, which resulted in widespread violence and death. The documentary also provided sufficient proof that snipers unrelated to the Chávez government had provoked the violence in the opposition march that justified the forced removal of Chávez from office. Furthermore,>> the documentary succeeded in proving that a well-planned military-civilian coup d’etat had taken place that day and that those involved were connected to the highest levels of the U.S. government<<(!)."
A small number of U.S. citizens still believe in the rule of law and, more importantly, underlying moral principles, such as the one that holds torture to be immoral no matter what the rationale used to justify it. This nucleus of progressives should stick together and work to elect candidates who share this view. Engelhardt isn’t clear about whether he’s actually parted company from those who still espouse rule of law and supremacy of moral law; my guess is that his statement “It's time to stop wondering whether its acts are illegal” is tongue-in-cheek. Regardless, we who want justice to be done must stick together and work together.
Englehardt sez: "Is the Libyan war legal? Was Bin Laden’s killing legal? Is it legal for the president of the United States to target an American citizen for assassination? Were those 'enhanced interrogation techniques' legal?"
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Dick Nixon replies: "If the president does it, that means it's not illegal."
... a man 40 years ahead of his time.
“Most great nations, at the peak of their economic power, become arrogant and wage great world wars at great cost, wasting vast resources, taking on huge debt, and ultimately burning themselves out.”
- Nixon strategist and historian Kevin Phillips
Dick Cheney and the various Project for a New American Century thugs now have what they wanted: a Unitary Executive otherwise know in history as a tyrant or dictator. Here in the US Empire it takes a slightly different form with a front man like Bush or Obama who perform to script for the mostly invisible puppet masters of the warfare state Juggernaut and the bankster/gangsters of Wall Street. As Tom writes, they are unelected and shielded by secrecy. Most people see only the actor (Bush/Obama).
US illegal actions -- wars of aggression, torture, murder, selling drugs to fund surrogate armies ... -- are hardly new. What's new is that the truth is now out in the open. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld didn't bother trying to mystify their crimes but paraded them openly. Obama is more subtle, but no way can he put the genie back in the bottle or, God and Pentagon forbid, actually attempt to bring some of these criminals to justice. Rather, he's joined the club.
My impression is that a large fraction of Americans, and not just on the left, remain decent people who are just as sickened by what our country has been revealed to be as we are.
What's needed are those with the courage to say that these real politik, "national security" policies are not just immoral and unconscionable, they are also undermining the very security they presume to protect and sucking the country dry -- like a vampire. Continuing to support the Obamas and Clintons and Pelosis because they represent the lesser of evils just makes the US more evil. We need to support leaders who live up to our higher ideals, not just in word but in deed.
Amen, and we need more people to wake up to facts. The actual and targeted countries for regime change closely match the desire of Israel for the Biblical borders of the Kingdoms of David and Solomon (which is vastly larger and subsumes whole Mideast). Prime Minister Ben Gurion on 3rd day of Suez war in 1956 told the Kenesset that that war was for purpose of establishing such Biblical borders (which includes Sinai, much of Egypt to environs of Cairo, all of: Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Kuwait and Cyprus; and most of Saudi Arabia, much of Iraq (including to Euphrates river), and much of Turkey (to Lake Van). In 1993, Sharon formally proposed the Biblical borders to the Likud convention. [from Jewish History, Jewish Religion by Israel Shahak, quoted by Glen Standish (Am. Airline pilot/author)]. Before 9/11—while expressing the need for “another Pearl Harbor” to create support for war, PNAC (neocon’s Project for New American Century) recommended seven countries (that largely overlaps with the Biblical borders, and includes Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Libya) for regime change, and promptly after 9/11, General Wesley Clark reports that a Pentagon General had instructions for attacks against such seven countries (including Iraq and Libya)—even though they had done nothing wrong and had no connection to any wrong. http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/1103.html Connection of the dots indicates that all current wars were fomented by deception for the enlargement of Israel’s boundaries (plus its increased power and profit). For all of these reasons, not to mention fiscal and moral responsibility, the wars should cease and the MIC be shuttered, and all recent frauds and swindles investigated and reversed. Not another dime should go to any governmental entity –such as the Pentagon—which is audit-proof—which is the exact opposite of the public trust.
A British Jury recently heard both stories of 9/11/01 (USA) and 7/7/05 (London bombings) and a majority (10 of the 12) agreed with the evidence that they were inside jobs (both involved Israel) and not the governments' stories: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/18/suppressed-news-false-flag-whistleblower-acquitted-in-britain/ Thanks for your fine post and thanks for reading.
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It is some combination of the wizard of Oz and the Inquisition. In our case it won't be water that is detrimental to the witch, but rather oil as in not enough and cheap enough.
This link below is important, and relates to the important points raised by Mr. Engelhardt. In my view, this is one of the best things he's written in a long time.
Notice that the entire apparatus of the state, in its role as military overseer, suggests the fruition of Joseph McCarthy's wet dream... added to that of Richard Nixon, J. Edgar Hoover, and Karl Rove.
Social Media: Air Force ordered software to manage army of Fake Virtual People .
Read the article at
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25060
Of course, asking whether or not the war in Libya, the killing of OBL, a policy of targeted assassination, or torture (however rebranded) is "legal" remains a highly relevant question, even if (especially if) the fox is guarding the henhouse.
Bluntly asking whether a specific act of governmental violence is legal is a key point of departure. That simple question has great practical utility.
If the answer to the question is no - that it is lawful to bomb foreign nations without Congressional approval, lawful to draw up a hit list of enemies foreign or domestic, lawful to haul out the thumb screws - then the remedy is to change the existing law if you and I and other decent citizens find such practices revolting.
If on the other hand these acts of violence already are illegal, then the fault lies with the law enforcement mechanism. The remedy is to focus upon enforcing the law that is already on the books.
In my opinion, what is lacking is political will on the part of the Justice Department. The 21st Century is not post-legal. It's legal system has become dangerously dysfunctional, partly by design on the part of some, partly due to moral cowardice by others who know better but fail to act.
Bill from Saginaw
Bill from Saginaw, I agree completely.
If I may add to your fine comment, I would underline that the lack of will to enforce the law, by those with authority to do so, is at the heart of the matter. We certainly don't see a lack of will to enforce criminal laws not bearing on international affairs, but when it comes to things like "enhanced interrogation techniques," there's no courage, no dedication, no unyielding belief in the rule of law.
The main point of Tom Engelhardt's article is that we live in a nation where power and force have a permanent place over and above rule of law.
Unfortunately, he's right and it no longer matters whom is elected president or whether our senate and congress is Democrat or Republican, it is the powers and prerogatives of the State with its assorted facist parasites that rule. If that doesn't scare the hell of you, how about this.
Our political leadership is rapidly going downhill, and as bad as Obama is, we will likely end up with a real Bozo for our next president that will make one pine for the relatively "moderate" days of Obama or even Dubya.
Once power supplants rule of law, there is only one way to go - downward into social collapse, authoritarianism, and progressively more ruthless dictatorship.
Read some history, like the Michael Parenti’s ‘The Assassination of Julius Caesar’. Toward the end of the Republic, Rome went back and forth between increasingly repressive dictators and reformist politicians. The dictators followed and used precedents, like the crossings of the Rubicons we’ve lived through, into more and more violence and abuse of power; the reformers were unable or unwilling to undo the damage each dictator did to legal structure, theory and expectation. Once there was someone who so perfectly embodied both that no one could tell which he was—even with 2000 years to think about it—the Republic ended once and for all. They had Caesar, we have Obama…or the next one, or the one after. Unless we do something about it in the meantime.
After the Republic a thousand years of dictatorship then local control followed, albeit warped and twisted by the psychological and ecological ravages of empire. After us, maybe a hundred years of climate chaos followed by the fall of global civilization and the extinction of most life on Earth. Kinda makes ya wanna do somethin, don’t it?
The question "is it legal" is surely relevant as long as this country maintains the (by now idiotic and thoroughly hypocritical) facade that this country upholds the "rule of law". Perhaps more people would come to their senses if it were generally accepted that the US is an outlaw nation?
When you make the law, you're never an outlaw.
I sent the below to my alleged representatives and any others who would accept mail. Also to others including the president. No response from ANY of these Hypocrites.
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Legislators, Remember your Oath of Office
by
Steve Osborn
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
That is the oath taken by every Congressman and Senator at the start of their term, and at the beginning of each session of Congress. The President of the United States takes an even shorter oath, which is specified in article II, Section 1. of the Constitution
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
That Constitution was carefully drafted by the founding fathers of our nation, to establish the basic operation of our government. It has stood intact for over two centuries, through many crises, and has been copied by many nations around the world as an example. As the law of the land, it should guide us through the current troubles, if we will only follow it.
Article I of the Constitution spells out the structure and requirements of the House of Representatives and Senate (the Congress) and what powers they have.
Article II establishes the Office of the Presidency and delineates his powers and limitations.
Article III pertains to the establishment and maintenance of the Judicial power of the government (the Supreme Court).
The first ten amendments were added to the Constitution at the time of ratification and are called the Bill of Rights. Those ten amendments were adopted to ensure that the government could never become a police state and run roughshod over the people. The colonists had had enough of autocratic power under Georgian England.
There is a process (Article V ) by which the Constitution can be changed. This has been done sixteen times since the original ratification. The method is very carefully spelled out, requiring a two thirds majority of either State legislatures, or of the House and Senate, to propose an amendment and the people have the final say, as it requires a seventy-five percent majority of the people to ratify it.
Nowhere in that Constitution does it provide for a president to be appointed, nor does it allow the President, appointed or elected, to declare war at his whim, or remove the protection of the Bill of Rights from the people. What the Bush regime is doing is clearly unconstitutional and any legislators who go along with him are also impeachable and clearly breaking the above oath, as Bush has done since his appointment.
The Constitution of the United States of America provides for a system of checks and balances to keep any of the three branches from running amok, with We the People of the United States having the final say over changes to that Constitution.
The American People should contact their various legislators, remind them of their oath, and inform them that they will not receive another vote unless they uphold the Constitution they promised to protect and defend, and assert their Congressional Rights.
The United States stands at a crossroads, if it is not already too late.
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My guess is it was.
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After reading the comments, I am impressed with the knowledge displayed.
That said.. Fascism Rules...us today.
Medmedude's Carlin reference says it all...what a clusterf*ck!
B3nign's poem lyrically tells it like it is and minitrue's tactics should be a blueprint for the rest of us.
Otherwise, we best learn the proper posture for giving the 'stiff-armed 'salute soon to be required for hailing our capitalistic fascist overlords.
Otherwise, we best learn the proper posture for giving the 'stiff-armed 'salute soon to be required for hailing our capitalistic fascist overlords.
Those with the chutzpah to extend their middle finger while preforming the new salute, will be disappeared or more likely shot.
We are ruled by the few, the greedy, the scofflaws.
Please wake me when the people have had enough of this tyrany.
When you make the law, you're never an outlaw. International law is of use to us only when it advances our (American) interests. As the dominant global power, it would be perverse for us not to behave in this fashion. Human nature commands it and there is not a page of history that disputes it. You should always assume that whatever America does, legal or not, it does because it is perceived to be in its best interest, and because it can.
uiuc2012, thanks for the succinct statement of a totally indefensible philosophy. This philosophy, adopted by both major political parties in this country, got us into the international mess we're in, and from which we may not be able to escape.
On the contrary, billions of examples of proof exist that human nature includes the capacity to do both good and evil. The difference is not biology but psychology. People raised in psychologically healthy loving communities will show by their compassionate lives that they feel those connections. Children abused, neglected, and denied opportunities to connect, express and grow, grow up to torture and kill, and allow others to torture and kill in their name.
I would like to thank all of you on the left for empowering the govt & bringing us to this sorry state. maybe now you'll listen to the libertarians warnings about the dangers of big govt with the power to tax, regulate, & create money.
Why is it that, of all the states of our mismatched union, those that would find popular the mantra you have just recited just happen to be the those who are the largest recipients of federal largesse, in the form of pork barrel, military contracts and welfare? Jesus, what bullshit!
Tony Vodvarka
Because we see how bad it is to live with so much govt.
wull, heck, darren, that last bit just makes no sense at all.
and the power isn't in the government, it's in the corporations. In our society money and power are interchangeable commodities, and both reside in tiny minorities of increasingly dynastic families and large corporations.
The government is a problem because it's gotten to be just the externalized structure of corporations, that they use now to accomplish their subsidiary goals--the ones they can't be seen doing themselves and can also get someone else to pay for but need to have done to make a good profit. They include things like use of police and military to control restive populations, and cleaning up or covering up the messes the corporations and military make, especially the increasingly common kind that kill people. Governments are coming to be just wholly-owned subsidiaries of major corporations.
It's quite amazing to me that anyone who knows anything about what's going on in world doesn't know that. How is that possible?
Postconstitutional America
by Sheldon Richman, January 5, 2003
It’s a truism today that in this time of “war,” we must shift the balance between liberty and security, sacrificing some freedom in order to protect our society from assault. Leave aside that this ignores Benjamin Franklin’s famous statement about freedom and security. Funny how we blithely forget those oft-quoted adages when they become inconvenient.
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http://www.fff.org/comment/com0301a.asp
More like a typical overection, 9/11 was a criminal act, not an act of war by defination, must be partaken by one nation state against another. So far no was tried to elivate al Quieda to the status of a nation state, they were and remain simply a criminal gang nothing more. A task more for Interpol that the vast Armies of the US and our Whorehouse of the Willing! Probabily why it took 10yrs to locate one guy, armys don't do that kind of thing police do!
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"""My answer is this: they are irrelevant. Think of them as twentieth-century questions that don't begin to come to grips with twenty-first century American realities. In fact, think of them, and the very idea of a nation based on the rule of law, as a reflection of nostalgia for, or sentimentality about, a long-lost republic. At least in terms of what used to be called “foreign policy,” and more recently “national security,” the United States is now a post-legal society. (And you could certainly include in this mix the too-big-to-jail financial and corporate elite.)"""
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I have to say that I do find those questions relevant, in the sense that they are questions poised to keep the fear and terror in the M$M's dumbstream garden who believe anything the military, industrial, cia, financial and M$M complex grows out their ass to keep the fertilizer of fear and terror right where they want it. That dumbstream garden is now the proxy for the 'people of the u.s.' and they do have a right sizable gathering and hold a large measure of ostensible majority fear and terror about the said above complex.
Thrasymachus in Plato's "Republic" made an appraisal of justice that I believe is applicable to the current state of justice here in the United States. Commenting on a preceding dialog on justice between Socrates and Polemarchus Thrasymachus said: "Justice is the advantage of the stronger" and that "injustice, if it is on a large enough scale, is stronger, freer, and more masterly than justice". That is sadly the state of justice not only in the United States but throughout the world.