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Are Liberal Netroots Groups Helping Obama Fail?
I’ve started deleting them as spam.
I’m not talking about the enlarge-your-penis emails or “You’ve Won the Lottery” notices.
I’m talking about the increasingly-urgent emails coming for weeks from liberal Netroots groups calling for a “public option” for healthcare – a government insurance plan citizens could choose to PAY FOR instead of private insurance.
Never has so much passion been so misdirected. If what these liberal groups ultimately wanted out of President Obama and corporate-funded Democrats in Congress was a topnotch public plan to compete with the first-rate private plans, the wrong way to get it was to make that THE demand.
Especially of a President whose instinct is toward conciliation and splitting the difference with big business and the rightwing.
Sure, Obama was a community organizer once. That was decades ago when Russia was still our mortal enemy, Nelson Mandela was still an official State Department terrorist threat and the White House was still funding Islamist fanatics in Afghanistan.
For the last dozen years Obama has been a politician – and a consummate compromiser at that. Have we failed to notice?
Activists must recognize the surest way to get a strong public option that could compete with the Cadillac of health plans. We needed to mobilize millions of Netroots people, almost every union and 150 members of Congress to endorse a maximum demand: National health insurance . . . enhanced Medicare for All. In other words, a cost-effective single-payer system of publicly-financed, privately-delivered healthcare that ends private health insurance (and its waste, bureaucracy, ads, sales commissions, lavish executive salaries, profiteering).
Had liberal groups sent out millions of emails building a movement that posed an existential threat to the health insurance industry, Sen. Baucus and Blue Dog Democrats and their corporate healthcare patrons might well be on their knees begging for a comprehensive public option – to avert the threat of full-blown Medicare for All.
As things stand now, as writers like Bob Kuttner and Norman Solomon have warned, a weak public option would institutionalize a two-tiered system with healthier, wealthier citizens getting the best (private) plans, and sicker, harder-to-treat people getting an inferior (public) plan. Newt Gingrich couldn’t dream up a better scenario to discredit an enhanced government role in healthcare.
To win serous reforms, we need activist leaders who are tough-minded progressives making maximum demands for reforms that truly address our nation’s problems. Leave the inside-the-Beltway deal-making to the politicians, properly frightened and moved by the roar of mass movements.
We need activist leaders who have a clearer idea of who Obama is. He’s not one of us. He’s one of them – a politician bent on placating corporate interests. We knew all we needed to know about his current worldview from all the corporatists he put in top jobs.
And from the fact that he felt the need – six weeks into his administration, after the middle-class bailed out Wall Street – to call up the New York Times and assure the world that his policies were NOT socialist but were “entirely consistent with free market principles.” At a time the corporate greedsters and free-market ideologues had been exposed as having threatened the economic well-being of the world, they weren’t the ones on the defensive. They weren’t doing the apologizing. Obama was on the defensive; he was apologizing to them!
When Democratic leaders start borrowing rightwing rhetoric, we know our activism has not been strong or progressive enough. At the AARP townhall Tuesday, Obama described a public option as “controversial, I understand people are worried about that.” He went on to assure his audience that “nobody is talking about . . . government-run healthcare” or “a Canadian-style plan.” At one point, he further assured seniors that no “bureaucratic law in Washington” would interfere in their healthcare decisions – seeming to adopt the faux-populism of anti-government rightists. Yet he seems incapable of anti-corporate populism, even with despised industries like Wall Street and health insurance.
I have huge respect for the smart young activists who built up the Netroots, unleashing all sorts of progressive possibilities for our country. But I’m bothered by their often ineffectual, Beltway-originated, halfway demands.
I became active during the Vietnam War. We might still have troops in Vietnam if – instead of militantly demanding “All Troops Home Now” – we’d organized behind polite Beltway initiatives like: “Let’s begin negotiations” or “Let’s set a timeline for phased withdrawal.”
I fear that Netroots leaders are doing the same dance with Obama today that they did with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid in 2007-08. Instead of demanding that Democrats in Congress bring our troops home from Iraq by using the power of the purse to defund the war, Netroots leaders rallied behind weak, non-binding timelines and other halfway measures cooked up with Congressional leaders.
Without a loud, clear demand for “troops home” from the large online antiwar forces, Democratic leaders started retreating and succumbing to Republican rhetoric. Reid proclaimed: “We will never abandon our troops in a time of war.” Pelosi declared: “We will have legislation to fund the troops!"
And the corpses kept piling up.
Great social reforms have occurred in our country not when social movements took their lead from what the White House deemed possible, but when the White House was pushed by powerful movements demanding reforms bolder than what the president was comfortable with. Leading abolitionists pushed Lincoln toward ending slavery by demanding immediate abolition. Socialist and workers movements in the ’30s sufficiently scared elites so that FDR could pass New Deal reforms far short of socialism. Martin Luther King and civil rights activists continuously pushed and prodded JFK and later LBJ.
And these movements didn’t have the Internet.
In 1993, a National Health Insurance bill gained 100 co-sponsors in the Democrat-led House, plus endorsements from many unions, even Consumers Union. There was unfortunately no Internet then when the Clinton White House undermined this growing movement by pushing an incredibly complex plan that left big insurers dominating the system. Clinton’s plan inspired few and confused many. After it went down in flames, talk radio host Jim Hightower asked President Clinton why he didn’t back an easily-explained Medicare for All approach that had so much support in Congress. Clinton said he’d thought it was politically too difficult but now wondered about that judgment.
Here we are 16 years later. Neglected by Netroots groups, John Conyers today has 85 House co-sponsors for HR 676, the Expanded Medicare for All Act, as well as the endorsement of many unions and Obama’s longtime personal physician. If all those emails I’ve received lately had been about building the HR 676 movement and a public system instead of a “public option,” the bill would have many more co-sponsors and could be pressuring Democrats to stand tough today.
For Obama to feel secure about reform and standing up to the right, he needs to feel that he’s in the center pushed by noisy forces to his left. He’s admitted as much. The way to help him succeed is to mobilize seriously to his left.
The way to help Obama fail is for Netroots and liberal groups to collapse toward him from the get-go.
And if Obama does fail, we can quit laughing at a Republican Party in disarray due to Bush, religious extremism, hypocrisy and anti-intellectualism.
Because in this period of crisis and fear, unless a progressively-prodded White House delivers reforms that actually improve lives soon, rightwing reaction could rebound more dangerous than ever in 2010 and/or 2012.
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Show AllDreck, blame everybody but the people responsible. True Obama style.
Forget the title. It's a reasonable call to action.
Netroots doesn't need to help...
Owebama has already failed his constituency in every significant issue...
Now that Obombya has "chosen" his death-squad leader mcchrystal to be running Afghanistan, he has reinplemented the child rapists into the afghan army that were previously kicked out, to help ethnically cleanse Taliban controlled areas... Heck of a job... Obrownie...!
Does Cohen not understand that the role of Moveon and its ilk is to help O'Bummer sell us out to the insco scammers?
A born-to-lose "public option," if it survives, will become (a) fodder for regressive talking points about the inability of gov't to get anything right; and (b) yet another taxpayer giveaway to the bloated but still insatiable FIRE sector.
I think he is sayin Prgressives need to organize, unite and bury the White House in letters, calls and emails.
But not many do at all... still waiting, waiting for another excuse to do nothing.
Signing a petition with Move On or any front group just puts you on a list that equals one message.
We don't use our power, even what little we have.
... still waiting, waiting for another excuse to do nothing.
Thanks for supporting liberal standards, Jeff. You're right.
Everybody from Jesus to Carnegie knows the ultimate secret for getting anything you want is a two-part proposition:
1. You have to know exactly what it is you want; and
2. You have to be willing to do whatever is necessary to get it.
public takeover: kudos for distilling what we need to do in a two-part proposition. And Jeff Cohen, thanks for putting the situation just where it lies in terms of "Obama and the netroots." As one involved in a Kucinich campaign, you know from example how a person with 1. vision and 2. courage can inspire a social movement. If you're still close to Dennis (or anyone else reading this is) my question of the day: where is Dennis? (And another question): any way the "netroots" (which don't HAVE to be Obama-dominated) can help him to bring his vision and courage to health care, peace, social class justice and so many other progressive causes to which Obama pays lip-service but are not high on his agenda priorities? To me this seems to make more sense than expecting (or hoping) that outfits like OFA or Move.on are going to change their spots from Obama cheerleaders to helping to facilitate a real leader who will listen and respond to their views. And to Dennis Kucinich if he chances to read this: "Where there is no vision (and courage), the people perish." We're DYING out here, Dennis, from that lack of vision and courage in our political leadership. Through us a life line, man!
Yeah Jerry, We supported Dennis in Florida before and he is doin good pushing amendments for single payer and making it possible for States to do it if the congress fails.
I like him, but think he does not have the animal magnetism that seems to be wanted by the voters and media and if he starts with the "Wake up America" over and over, I think he will put us to sleep. We need a quiet but strong voice.
I think if the outside groups and 3rd parties got together on a strategy, they could take over the Democratic party soon and also the Republicans. Instead of splitting their power on candidates who know they can't win but want to "Educate" and since the only way to get more real progressives in and dump the Dogs is from registering for the primaries, Green Dems and independents would have options of influence with the big parties while always lettiing them know that they can vote for an independent when the candidate with a pro peace and single payer past losses in the primaries.
A Flexible strategy by individual voice and choice.
OK, You are talking about your point of view and I am sayin fine, but this is how we win.
Are things gonna stay the same? No way! Time to quit foolin around at the edges. We got face the reality that because we have the big system, that is the system to change... Maybe ridiculous, but these are ridiculous times, and to get our fair share and justice from the big money boys we gotta do just that, cause they now know that the best thing for them is to plan ahead for the long term gain..... the same with the military... They know We are screwed just from the climate change ... So do you want to take the country back from the oligarchy? Thats my dream.
We got to get the people together and I wish Dennis would join us crazy cats here in Ridiculousville ....I know you want to win too... So I volunteered my advice from going on 67 years experience, now what is your suggestion to the idea's we have covered... and please keep it simple and don't leave anything out.
Love the Revolution and Dennis too
I support Dennis in the party, but WE need to vote for 3rd party in LOCAL elections!
Trying to change the two party system IS futile, "they" are there to administer power to lap-dog Congress people. Dennis doesn't count, as he is a rogue to them.
You need to do what you think you need to do.
If you find a good one in a local or presidential vote for the best yes, I try. Bernie Sanders is the best exception.
"Dennis doesn't count, as he is a rogue to them."
He counts a lot and considers himself a green Dem.... Now, I know that is a good idea.
Did you ever wonder if the system is rigged against 3d parties?
Well if you think you can beat the system by playing their game by their 3rd party rules... good Luck. I say infiltrate and register in the big parties so you can support the most progressive and when a 3rd party will just be a spoiler to the best.
let's be clear I am not sayin vote for any body... just the best with a new ridiculous strategy for our ridiculous times.
So good luck with your plan anyway.... and Vote for the best no matter what Party.
Dangerous Thinker
Jim Glover:
I encourage you to read the book "The Democrats: a Critical History" by Lance Selfa.
It is a very sobering and clear-eyed look at the Democratic Party. It's the most important book I have read since "The Shock Doctrine".
where is Dennis?
Kucinich is only human. Maybe he's tired of beating his head against the wall.
Maybe.
But doesn't he have health insurance for that?
· Yr Obd't Servant
Individual action is many times more effective than bein corralled by net groups.
There is strength in numbers, but only if those numbers are the sum of individual action.
Guerilla war with the individual voice..... That is what gets their attention.
Right now, hopefully, many thousands are gathering on the lawn by the Capitol for a rally from 1 to 3 PM and thence, in their numbers, to their individual memberss of Congress offices. It sounds like an effective action to me.
Very Good!
So far it's largely been Change the BIG Corps. can believe in. The Obama people seem to believe keeping the present corrupt Big Corp. economy propped up with Tax payer $$ is how u save America for some reason? What he fails to realize is that this crowd wishes him nothing but ill will and will take the $$ and run. Their idea of compromise is as always one-sided all or nothing with us or against us. Obama seems to think he can talk these Pigs into a corner and he's wrong wrong wrong.
Posted here in error.
ABSOLUTELY.
Are Liberal Netroots Groups Helping Obama Fail?
Obimbo is failing all by himself. He doesn't need any help from anyone, not even the Republicans.
I appreciate what Jeff Cohen is saying. However, it might be instructive to rephrase his question to:
Are Liberal Netroots Groups Helping Obama Succeed?
Jeff Cohen is basing his determination of success or failure upon what progressives would consider success or failure, not what the DLC, or "New Democrats" would consider success or failure. In other words, MoveOn, PDA, etc. are not really interested in single payer. Long before Obama, groups like MoveOn have used lofty words to inspire their members on one hand, while on the other, lobbying politicians for "realistic"or milktoast crumbs. MoveOn and others, would be far more effective and powerful organizations if they were independent of the Democratic Party. MoveOn et al, are just among the latest strategies of the Democratic Party to blunt real progressive change in the US.
" MoveOn, PDA, etc." are just tools of the Big Money, that are used to CO-OPT and DERAIL "real progressive change". I've been watching this for over 40 years.
Obama attended the AARP town hall.
AARP is nothing but an insurance company masquerading as a civil rights group for seniors.
AARP supported the Medicare Part D bill that absolutely screwed seniors and provided windfall profits to Big PhRMA.
AARP is an insurance company, period.
Now that should tell you something else about Obama's choices.
Any one of us old farts who join this rip-off organization should be ashamed.
Over the years, I've gotten a couple dozen "offers" to join this special club -- each offer with a postage-paid reply form, which was promptly sent back sans stamp with the words "I DO NOT JOIN ORGANIZATIONS THAT SCREW ITS MEMBERS".
Few people know the true colors of the AARP, so it might not be fair to label citizens shameful for joining.
AARP, as an insurance company and cheerleader for Big PhRMA, has wagered an effective propaganda campaign that fools everybody, including its own members.
AARP: American Association of Rich Pharmaceuticals
Don't join it. Don't speak in glowing terms about it. It's not what it says it is. Obama ought to be ashamed for attending, but he's not. Says a lot.
AARP = Arrogant Assholes Reap Profits
Scarcity continues to increase in an american world where the winners win, watching the losers die foaming at the mouth with blather, or tearing at each others throats...
Grandfather said it under the gallows/...
...He kicked before he died/ he did it out of pride/....w.b. yeats
RichM
Your analysis is concise and accurate. You might want a save it, I bet you'll have a chance to use it again.
RE:"liberal approaches"
It would be interesting to compare the "liberal approaches" to the work of groups that take direct action, e.g. the Olympia,WA anarchists blockading trucks carrying Stryker Brigade combat vehicles to the port on their way to Iraq. Liberals don't take them very seriously, yet law-enforcement and the military take them very seriously. Why would that be?
OTOH, it is difficult to know how effective various actions, or movements (anti-war, single payer etc.) are in the short run. That the 2003 worldwide demonstration on Feb. 15 didn't stop the Iraq war did not make the event a failure. For one thing, Bush did not get the UN legitimization he wanted because European nations were slightly more responsive to their populations that in the US. This exposed the US imperial project for what it was to the rest of the world. Obama is not going to be able to put that cat back in the bag.
The peak of the Port Militarization Resistance's (the "Olympia anarchists") was in convincing the Army to move its shipping operations to Tacoma instead.
This happened to be what they were already doing -the Oly port was just a sideline for overflow. This is because the Oly Port has gone so many years without dredging that even the relatively small cargo ships the Army was using for their Styrkers et al can only dock or undock at high tide.
The Army contract was the only thing keeping the Port in the black that year, BTW.
I'm sorry, but the whole PMR campaign reeked of NIMBYism. There was no real attempt to make the Oly situation an example to be emulated by people in Port cities nationwide -i.e. the only way to make an effective "Resistance" to military shipping in support of the war.
Not a single bit of Army equipment was stopped, a significant portion of the community was further turned against the Cause, and the silly children managed to get themselves infiltrated by a Ft. Lewis soldier who actually TOLD THEM he worked at the base, albeit as a civilian.
Whether or not direct action and street demonstrations are more effective than other tactics, the PMR's campiagn is NOT an example of such effectiveness. It was worse than a failure. Trust me I lived there at the time and have been involved in the Cause of Peace, Justice, and Democracy for a third of my life.
2-15-03 is only not a failure if we accept the lesson that its ineffectiveness teaches us. Marches, no matter how big, do nothing if those in power believe they can flaunt the People's will with impunity. They believe this, because the People's keep PUTTING them in power, whatever they do. Ex: Obama.
I say we focus on Elected Offices, not to sway those who are in them or those who the Corporatists will stand for them this year and next year and the year after that, but to TAKE THEM FOR OURSELVES. It is time to stop letting our Governments be run by a political caste divied up into "Democrats" and "Republicans" and start getting regular Citizens back in there. Only then will we wrest back the power that was once ours.
Final note: The Olympia Port Commision is an elected body of three. They decide by vote what contracts the port takes on. The year of the peak of the Port Militarization Resistance's efforts was an Election year for one of these positions. NO ONE from PMR stood for this office, even though getting on the ballot for this non-partisan position would have only cost them about $100 and many would have voted for them. They didn't even try to run merely to push the incumbant to drop the Army contract to assure his re-election.
I say the time for childish B.S. is over. I say we take back our Governments not just by voting, but by STANDING FOR ELECTION OURSELVES!
-matti.
RE:STANDING FOR ELECTION OURSELVES!
You have a spare 5, 50 or $500 million to run for an election??? Go for it!!! Your solution is so naive that it makes the Olympia anarchists look like geniuses!
Actually, I disagree with Cohen. The loudest possible screaming and ranting on the left isn't going to get single-payer healthcare. The big lobbying money on capital hill is just too strong. The more the left screams, the more the corporations pay from their bottomless pockets, and they will always win. Nothing is going to happen until the fascist Blue Dogs, led by Baucus, are somehow cut off from the corporatist teat that feeds them.
The greatest possiblilty for reform, I think, lies in the details of Kucinich's bill: Give the states the ability to implement single-payer systems themselves. No matter what happens, liberal Democrats should preserve this amendment in the language of the final bill, or else get a separate bill passed that does the same thing.
It might take longer, but it's increasingly looking like this approach is the only possible chance.
Markymark: I'm deeply ambivalent about Kucinich's bill for establishing single payer in single states. (As I am not ambivalent about Kucinich himself---see my post above---even after Jim Glover entered his reservations). That might work as a step toward broader reform, as you suggest; or it might work as a sop to allow "progressives" to vote for the faux-progressive health care reform bill that will take years to work through to its destiny of ultimate failure; and help put off single payer for just long enough for us all to be dead after we are delivered "health insurance" rather than "health care." The idea is certainly worth consideration, not a "close your eyes and take this as better than nothing" approach.
YEah , great idea, however THE STATES ARE BROKE! and it looks like they will stay broke, so any single payer program will sit on the shelf.
We must force Goldman Sachs to carry this one, NATIONALIZE THE FED FOR SINGLE PAYER!!!!
THIS IS WAR, CLASS WAR, EXPECT NO QUARTERS, (none are likely)
The elite dont take prisoners.
If you can pay $1,000 a month to a very profitable insurance company then you can pay $500 a month to a single payer non-profit plan.
Exactly! However, state governments re even more dominated by big-business-run forces of reaction.
Jeff Cohen has nailed it. Advocate for single payer. Let the people inside Washington do what they do but we should strenuously advocate for single payer.
It is not health care we wish to change. Those providing health care, the doctors, nurses and hospitals will remain and prosper. We wont change in the insurance mechanism from private for profit to single payer non-profit.
To counter the negative positioning of the right...
It's time for us to cast out the death merchants, the private health insurance companies.
These death merchants turn their backs, isolate and abandon the sick and dying among us, our family and friends. And for what ultimate purpose, to increase wages for executives. This is psychopathic behavior that is dangerous to us all and must be eliminated from our society.
Actually, truth be told, most liberal and progressive bloggers and writers, espeically on the Huffington Post have not understood from the start that Obama is not a leftist or progressive and never has been. Secondly, most liberal and progressive bloggers and writers have thought the Demnocratic Party as a whole respects "liberal/progressive views" when they do not. The Democratic Party reflects the interests of the Democratic Leadership Council and sold out the liberal ideas seen in the 1960's with the "New Left" during Clinton's reign. The DLC philosophy runs the corporatist-militarist Democratic Party. Because the liberal/progressive blogosphere hatied former president Bush so much, lost sight of what and who Obama is throughout the campaign, thus failing to critique the present state of the Democratic Party which is corporatist and militarist. Obama is a war mongerer just like his predecessors were and he does not go out on a limb to take on corporations or banksters, or promote liberal/progressive issues even if he uses such fanciful rhetoric.
The Blue Dogs may as well be Republicans....they are good for nothing and should be shown the door. These useless and scumbag Blue Dog Democrats never vote down military spending bills or more funding for the losing situations in Iraq & Afghanistan.
The Democratic Party led by Pelosi, Reid, and their little dictator--Rahm Emanuel----operating out of the Obama White House are good for nothing SOB's.
The Democrats are pathetic and Obama already is a big failure. There are alternatives. I left the Democratic Party last December and joined the Green Party. I will be voting for Green Party candidates only as the Democratic Party and liberal elites have long lost me when it comes to real deep or honest analysis of not only Obama but of anything!
I hope you all stop your apologia's for the Obama administration and the Democratic Party soon as well. Just because the Republicans suck, does not make the Democratic Party any better in getting you those desired results. Just look up the Democratic Leadership Council--that DLC---and understand that is the real agenda of the Democrats. It is time to not only call Obama the fraud he is but to include all of the Democratic Party in this charge for they are useless vermin who care nothing about the public good. The Democratic Party's actions are DISGUSTING!!!!!!
Remember this from the great Gore Vidal who said that the, "opposition party, the Democrats...isn’t an opposition party. I have been saying for the last thousand years that the United States has only one party—the property party. It’s the party of big corporations, the party of money. It has two right wings; one is Democrat and the other is Republican."
Wake Up!
You're right. The U.S. is a one party system that has two right wings.
But there is another player and that is the people. Once the people are aroused change does happen. Examples, the new deal, medicare, civil rights. The populace can move the agenda.
Political activism is alive and well. When required well-connected or well-funded activists can change people as reflecting in opinion polls.
Granted there seems to be no such activists for single payer, yet. I believe the internet can change this. If enough people express a point of view then an activist leader will emerge, either due to a strong belief in the cause or to megalomania.
Our condition will change if enough people believe it should. How the public's opinions have been shaped over the past 30 years should be a lesson for the left.
Good posts RichM,
I'd add that we should know our enemy here.
It's no small coincidence that both Obama and Bush are products of Harvard. Harvard and Yale were "dens of despotism" according to Thomas Jefferson. This is why Jefferson started his progressive school at the University of Virginia; to balance the "taskmasters" in the ivy league industrial school as he called them. Harvard was modeled after a gothic castle (think royalty), and it's business school which emphasizes immorality and greed is where many today's pillaging CEO's come from. Yale of course is home of the tomb; the Brotherhood of death, aka: Skull and Bones, of which many members of the Federal Reserve belong to. Also, the infamous Nazi supporting bank Brown Brothers (now BBH) was started with almost all Skull members.
Today, we're facing a new class of nobles and Fortune 500 Royalty, who won't be happy until we're all in chains. The only thing they're going to notice is a National Boycott of everything, followed by a National Strike were we all stay home for a month.
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
"Wake Up!"
I'm afraid that those dumbos on fluffpost have been guzzling too much Obama Koolaid to emerge from their Obama-mania coma let alone think. Most of us here are nowhere like those Obamabots on fluffpost and most other sites. Great post though.
Edit: Looks like even fluffpost on this article on healthcare is getting some brains for once:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/30/dems-threaten-baucus-we-c_n_247742.html
Generally, the users on fluffpost are so silly in their posts I'd nearly wet myself reading through all the fluff and puff. At least some folks there are bringing up HR676.
"We might still have troops in Vietnam if – instead of militantly demanding “All Troops Home Now” – we’d organized behind polite Beltway initiatives like: “Let’s begin negotiations” or “Let’s set a timeline for phased withdrawal.”"
I agree that the U.S. antiwar movement now is not nearly as energized or properly radical as it was then. But, frankly, I'm so sick of this line peddled by American progressives that it was American protesters who "brought the troops home." No, it was the VIETNAMESE PEOPLE (guerrillas and their support networks amongst the population) who kicked "our troops" out and showed them the door. (Just as it has been and will be the Iraqis and Afghans who have shown the actual resistance to American militarism in their respective countries.) Why don't *they* ever get this credit - based in historical fact as it is - in the self-congratulatory, self-mythologizing stories that boomer progressives tell about themselves?
All events have more than one cause: it takes a conflict of forces for "something" to "happen." Besides the Cong, besides the protesters in the US, the resistance among the troops is a story that could use more air time.
But guess what? The threshold for that decision might well be different in Central Asia, a land floating on oil and gas, smack in the middle of the world's largest potential alliances. One could as easily say the US gave up because there was no oil.
A lot of old folks brag on Vietnam like our fathers bragged on WWII and the Depression. No fault to Cohen, who had to have been a child when the US invaded South Vietnam, but resistance in the States never took hold for years afterwards, and the reason 0bama & the Ghouls are paying premium for mercenaries instead of drafting kids has to be because they're not as confident of fooling young people as they were.
I wish to the stars and skies we had been so smart.
However, sharp guys like Cohen who got this relatively early woke up dolts like me who might otherwise have gone to war.
And I'm grateful to the half-informed who keep me from being completely ignorant now.
Yes, sure, several factors went into ending the Vietnam war (and I am also well aware that Iraq and Afghanistan are unique situations onto themselves), but the principal cause was the fierce and relentless resistance by the Vietnamese people, who always seem to be written out of the American narrative of that war, whether by progressives or by the right. I was speaking to this irritating absence in particular, as I made clear at the beginning of my comment. Guess what? American exceptionalism is not just a neocon disease; it seems to plenty infect the mindset and historical knowledge of the American left, as well.
Point taken.
As long as I can remember the left has splintered into self-destructive factions. Obama's heart is in the South Chicago ghetto but his mind is on doing what is politically doable. He knew how to beat the Clinton machine. He knew how to get elected. I would give him the benefit of doubt. Let's not join the Blue Dogs and Repubs in opposition. We will not get single payer now but we can move health care in that direction.
Schach, 0 ain't left, and the South Chicago ghetto had best sleep on its back, because that ain't his heart thrust into it.
The boat has sailed. We are discussing a non event. These DoDo's have finished any hope of health care reform, let alone Single Payer during Obama's Presidency.
People do not trust him on this, they certainly do not trust Congress on it.
These folks are about to go home and be unloaded on by Seniors (forget that AARP is in the tank for Obama), the elderly, Boomers that are about to retire, almost every independent in the country and any one else thats not a fool and looked to see what they are proposing. Putting Gov. funded abortions in there was really bright!
Mr. Cohen is right about these groups and he's right about the strategy I think, but he is wrong that there is anything to be done now.
Bon Voyage to our Health Care...Thanks Nancy, Henry, etc...!
Cohen gets that "it" is about political will and not just about Obama.
The corporate and media noise machine has made the most noise, and is persistent in the ability to jump at opportunities to spin negativity and fear that plays well into the right-wing conservative message. That's their will.
On the other hand, a new voice has been emerging, from more ordinary Americans, through groups and open forums rooted on the Internet.
But ironically, this new voice is also spinning negative against Obama, often with idealistic daydreamy expectations. The expectations are idealistic and daydreamy because they lack the comprehension and will for the actual doing of the "things" they want; meaning also to go beyond the vision of the "things" themselves to include the diplomacy and art of social tact required, the strategy, conversation and plans of action necessary to bring others and their ideals along - the reason for and the purpose of the sociopolitical process itself.
These more everyday folk largely expect to elect a person to do that for them, and to then generally leave that person on their own to fight the noise machine alone. But then these more-to-themselves type of individuals will too often complain, because the "thing" they wanted is not turning out the way they wanted.
We really have to be able to see and say how that behavior is a bit childlike. In truth, given the adolescent age of the Internet, and the infancy of social networking, why wouldn't this new emerging voice yet be struggling to mature and develop itself to a more powerful voice of public reason and human vision? We should know to be striving to nurture and further, not hinder, this new voice.
Surely we must understand how, If it is a genuine liberal notion to honor individual freedoms and rights, then we must posses the grace to tactfully and diplomatically honor other individuals and differing ideals in this humane and dignified way - through the art and language of compromise. Let's make that how we tell the difference between them and us.
Remember, the extent to which you think people to be wrong is precisely the same extent to which they think you don't get it. And the extent to which you find agreement, is the extent to which a compromise can be found and developed. Like it or not, that is what a globe of races and nations must learn and do, to survive and prosper together. We can't afford to continue to be negative and divisive to the noise machine's benefit.
The "doing" of politics requires a clear coherent voice of resonant will, as spoken and communicated by our actions, individually and socially.
Aligning and rallying to criticize and find fault with Obama plays directly to the conservatives and assures "we" will remain in this impossible predicament.
We do not need to win it all, all at once. We need to move forward. We need do it with a clear voice and purpose. We need to compromise the right without accommodating them. One ideal, one issue, one act of law, one step to the left at a time.