The Obama Justice System
In June, Robert Gibbs was repeatedly asked by ABC News' Jake Tapper whether accused Terrorists who were given a trial and were acquitted would be released as a result of the acquittal, but Gibbs -- amazingly -- refused to make that commitment. But this is the first time an Obama official has affirmatively stated that they have the "post-acquittal detention" power (and, to my knowledge, the Bush administration never claimed the power to detain someone even if they were acquitted).
All of this underscores what has clearly emerged as the core "principle" of Obama justice when it comes to accused Terrorists -- namely, "due process" is pure window dressing with only one goal: to ensure that anyone the President wants to keep imprisoned will remain in prison. They'll create various procedures to prettify the process, but the outcome is always the same -- ongoing detention for as long as the President dictates. This is how I described it when Obama first unveiled his proposal of preventive detention:
If you really think about the argument Obama made yesterday -- when he described the five categories of detainees and the procedures to which each will be subjected -- it becomes manifest just how profound a violation of Western conceptions of justice this is. What Obama is saying is this: we'll give real trials only to those detainees we know in advance we will convict. For those we don't think we can convict in a real court, we'll get convictions in the military commissions I'm creating. For those we can't convict even in my military commissions, we'll just imprison them anyway with no charges ("preventively detain" them).
After yesterday, we have to add an even more extreme prong to this policy: if by chance we miscalculate and deign to give a trial to a detainee who is then acquitted, we'll still just keep them in prison anyway by presidential decree. That added step renders my criticism of Obama's conception of "justice" even more applicable:
Giving trials to people only when you know for sure, in advance, that you'll get convictions is not due process. Those are called "show trials." In a healthy system of justice, the Government gives everyone it wants to imprison a trial and then imprisons only those whom it can convict. The process is constant (trials), and the outcome varies (convictions or acquittals).
Obama is saying the opposite: in his scheme, it is the outcome that is constant (everyone ends up imprisoned), while the process varies and is determined by the Government (trials for some; military commissions for others; indefinite detention for the rest). The Government picks and chooses which process you get in order to ensure that it always wins. A more warped "system of justice" is hard to imagine.
In today's Wall St. Journal, which also reported that "the Obama administration said Tuesday it could continue to imprison non-U.S. citizens indefinitely even if they have been acquitted of terrorism charges," Rep. Jerry Nadler was quoted as saying something quite similar about the Obama approach:
"What bothers me is that they seem to be saying, 'Some people we have good enough evidence against, so we'll give them a fair trial. Some people the evidence is not so good, so we'll give them a less fair trial. We'll give them just enough due process to ensure a conviction because we know they're guilty. That's not a fair trial, that's a show trial," Mr. Nadler said.
Exactly. Show trials are exactly what the Obama administration is planning. In its own twisted way, the Bush approach was actually more honest and transparent: they made no secret of their belief that the President could imprison anyone he wanted without any process at all. That's clearly the Obama view as well, but he's creating an elaborate, multi-layered, and purely discretionary "justice system" that accomplishes exactly the same thing while creating the false appearance that there is due process being accorded. And for those who -- to justify what Obama is doing -- make the not unreasonable point that Bush left Obama with a difficult quandary at Guantanamo, how will that excuse apply when these new detention powers are applied not only to existing Guantanamo detainees but to future (i.e., not-yet-abducted) detainees as well?
Whatever else is true, even talking about imprisoning people based on accusations of which they have been exonerated is a truly grotesque perversion of everything that our justice system and Constitution are supposed to guarantee. That's one of those propositions that ought to be too self-evident to need stating.
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20 Comments so far
Show AllMethinks Obama will be remembered as the worst Republican President of the last 50 years.
(Nobody could be worse than George W. Bush. But he was never really President, so he gets off on a technicality.)
Of course, since he stole the nomination, Obama doesn't belong in the White House either. But we'll just ignore that for now.
Rotten to the core.
Well you sure are right about sending shivers down the spine. the long national nightmare continues.
just one thing. I think we have passed the point where "Orwellian" or "Kafka-esque"are adequate to describe what is happening here. I sincerely believe we have now moved beyond any previously imagined fictional horror. And this is real life. I mean death. who wants the naming rights?
Disappointments continue in Obama's administration of justice, incl FISA and Gitmo, and his administration of two expensive and pointless wars in the Middle East.
Disappointing also in smaller and subtler ways, if I may explain.
In early March our family made plans to visit DC in mid-June, and I dutifully contacted Senator Harkin's office to request the public White House tour tickets for our family.
Our family had worked very hard for Obama in Dubuque in all facets of the campaign, eg, precinct captain, door-knocking and leafletting, phone calling and driving volunteers around the town. Dubuque County won for Obama by 10,000 votes, and Iowa won for Obama.
You might expect some token of gratitude; a public White House tour on one of the days of our three-day visit would have been nice.
Five days before we left for DC, Senator Harkin's office emailed to report that our request was "turned down". No explanation, of course, you're just SOL.
If I'd offered a check for thirty thousand dollars, Barack would have met me at the front door!
No matter that the check would have bounced all the way back to Dubuque!
Change? Ha!
The joke is definitely on me as it is on all of us. Disappointments great and small from one who continues so many neocon initiatives.
This frees me from the illness of Democratic Party activism, for that I am thankful.
I'm more Green Party anyway, I have to confess.
Bill in Dubuque
The Obama "JUST US system" only open to the select few.
I thought we were a nation of laws and a single person (including the President) could not make up his/her own law. The policy as descibed makes a mockery of this statement, relardless of the legal windowdressing the DOJ cooks up.
These types of politics just piss people off and end up creating more "terrorists." I don't feel more protected, I feel less.
The people our gov. have in the gulag were defending their country or homes as any american would do if invadwd. Remember they did not invade us, our nazi type repugs invaded them for the oil they were going to steal. What kind of law school did Obama and Holder attend?
Trial by jury.
Conviction with due process.
The right words do not equate to justice until humans attempt to practice justice.
The war on terrorism was always a slippery proposition because there could be no end to it. Enemy prisoners were released to the opposing forces once hostilities ended.
Can enemy prisoners ever be released when a war never ends?
Orwell was wrong since we now see that Big Brother has a black face, in fact two of them: the Big O and (with)Holder from Justice. Having subjected the men at Guantanamo to years of brutal confinement, isolation and multiple tortures, a normal human response would be of intense anger, hatred and thoughts of vengeance. Perhaps that's what the rulers indeed fear, and their minds filled with notions of domination and control cannot imagine any route to recompense and conciliation. Granted that's no small order given what has happened.
There were early reports from attorneys who visited prisoners at Guantanamo after the big O's election, that prisoners hoped for a new and changed regime. Trapped in a despicable and desperate situation, they too had heard the slogans of "hope and change". Like Bush after 9-11 in the atmosphere of worldwide shock and rejection of the attacks even in much of the Muslim world, Obama had a great opportunity to shed the despicable record and actions of the Bush/Cheney/neocon regime and take the real steps to seek justice. Everyone who is paying attention to something other than the corporate media propaganda machine, should now see that he is a confirmed operator for the corporate/military/government state. So add the prisoners to the ever growing list of people and groups feeling betrayal. Anyone else getting the increasing feeling that the whole US population is trapped in an ever tightening police state?
Since the result is the same whether there be trial, military commission or acquittal, namely indefinite detention, will Big Brother O and crew decide to just skip the show trial formalities and throw the keys away?
the original uncle toms during the period of slavery (house niggahs-harry belafonte)---the uncle toms of the civil rights movement who tried to moderate malcolm x and m.l. king, (those uncle toms weren't assassinated)_---c.rice and colin powell and others of their ilk---now a house niggah has taken over massah's big white mansion, and massah works for him, but the slavery in the fields continues, with the overseer and the lash....
It sure is gratifying to note the great strides Americans have taken since their revolt against constitutional monarchy and its "quaint" notions about Magna Carta and habeus corpus.
If George III were still around, there's no doubt that he'd be green with envy over powers like indefinite detention and death-by-drone upon command. One wonders what great things might have been achieved if he had also possessed the ability to "bomb people back to the stone age" in pursuit of his own imperial goals. Other than the imperial flag, would the world today really have been much different and, if so, better or worse?
"the Bush administration never claimed the power to detain someone even if they were acquitted"
The Bush administration did indeed claim this power with regard to the Military Commissions.
Bring America Back !!!!...........!..If the Team Obama have a system of Justice, it can be summarized as follows:
*****Hear No Evil' See No Evil; Speak No Evil;....
..and if you do, blame it on some Patsy, and thats why
torture ain't so bad after all !!!
Obama and his Cave-in Team are One Term ponies--like Carter and like H> W> Bush..do nothing for America and get out in four short years. Read my lips..........
GG has it spot on. I was battling another cornfed Obamabot and pointing him to this post. I'd love to see the look on his face when he reads this. The media is distracting us with Michael Jackson and Sarah Palin to cover up the disgusting Obama Justice system. I always thought that when it comes to stabbing us, the Republicans do it with glee and make no bones about it while most Democrats snivel and do it. No wonder Big Military gave Obama more campaign bribes than they did John Mccain last year !
Wow. This is breathtaking. Remember, they can charge anyone they want in this way, not just "foreign terrorists." We really are in a dictatorship.
"Obama Justice System" seems an oxymoron.
Somewhat like "U.S. Constitution".
You took the words right out of my fingertips.
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Rep. Jerry Nadler was quoted as saying something quite similar about the Obama approach:
"What bothers me is that they seem to be saying, 'Some people we have good enough evidence against, so we'll give them a fair trial. Some people the evidence is not so good, so we'll give them a less fair trial. We'll give them just enough due process to ensure a conviction because we know they're guilty. That's not a fair trial, that's a show trial," Mr. Nadler said.
"Darkness at Noon" comes to the United States.