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The Incredible Shrinking Torture Defense
Senator Lindsey Graham's Twinkie Defense
Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina loves the law. Nuts about it. We know this because he tells us this many, many times at this morning's Senate subcommittee hearing on "What Went Wrong: Torture and the Office of Legal Counsel in the Bush Administration." We know he loves the law because he says "[t]he fact that we embrace the rule of law is a strength" and that "the only way is to operate within the law," and he says these things mere seconds after he explains that in the desperate days after 9/11, when the lawyers were crafting legal arguments to legalize conduct that was illegal, they did so because "they saw law as a nicety we couldn't afford."
So the real question for the committee, the one we never get to, is how much rule of law can we afford, and what happens to the rule of law when you're getting it for 10 cents on the dollar?
Graham dismisses today's hearing as a "political stunt" because "we would not be having this hearing if we were attacked this afternoon." What this really means is that for all his talk of legality and law and the rule of law, in his view the law means one thing "in the quiet peace of the moment" and something entirely different in the immediate aftermath of a terrorism strike. It's sort of like a national Twinkie defense, but Graham is willing to strap a saddle onto that Twinkie today and ride ... and ride and ride.
Former State Department counselor Philip Zelikow is also thinking about how we will all go crazy after the next terror strike when he testifies: "We could be hit again and hit hard. But our decision to respect basic international standards does not appear to be a big hindrance in this fight. ... Others may disagree. They may believe ... that America needs an elaborate program of indefinite secret detention and physical coercion in order to protect the nation. The government, and the country, needs to decide whether they are right. If they are right, our laws must change and our country must change. I think they are wrong."
So it's really very simple. If torture and indefinite detention and wiretapping are justified, says Zelikow, we need to make them legal now, before the next attack. But nobody-not even Graham-is willing to say that these things are justified. Graham is at pains to say water-boarding is abhorrent. When another witness, Professor Jeffrey Addicott of St. Mary's University School of Law, testifies that "it's just propaganda that we tortured people," Sen. Graham shuts him down. When Addicott insists that it's "insane" to close Guantanamo because it would be "sending a message to the world that we have something to apologize for," Graham cuts him off to concede that America does indeed have an "image problem." Nobody is allowed to undermine the rule of law-except Graham, of course.
All morning, Graham clings to the argument that he believes in the rule of law. And as he does so, he explains that the lawbreaking that happened with respect to torture: a) wasn't lawbreaking, b) was justifiable lawbreaking, c) was lawbreaking done with the complicity of congressional Democrats, d) doesn't matter because al-Qaida is terrible, or e) wouldn't be lawbreaking if the Spanish police were doing it.
Graham asks Zelikow, who argues for closing Guantanamo, how many released detainees have rejoined the battlefield. Zelikow hazards that the number is about a dozen. "What if your son or daughter was killed by them?" parries Graham.
Zelikow produced a legal memo in 2006 disputing the constitutional underpinnings of the torture regime. That memo was disappeared and never heard from again. Zelikow says it's now been located and is undergoing review for declassification. As he puts it, on receiving that memo, the White House could have said, "Let's take another look at this," and see whether there was any validity to the different opinion, or "This shows how rusty you are in practicing law. We need to tell you why you've misunderstood this area of the law." But the White House did neither. They just buried it and "shut down challenges even from peers inside the government."
The highlight of the hearing was supposed to be former FBI interrogator Ali Soufan, who was going to testify to the fact that abusive interrogation was "slow, ineffective and unreliable" and that Bush administration claims about critical information that was elicited through torture were "half truths," since most of the information they cite was gleaned by other methods. Soufan testifies from behind a panel for security reasons, and photographers are purged from the room, which is all very Get Smart, but Graham won't give the man a chance to speak. Time and again, Soufan-the only man present who has ever conducted an interrogation-begs to speak. But Graham keeps hollering at him about how dare he purport to speak for all interrogators everywhere. (Erm. He didn't.)
Ethics expert David Luban testifies that the Office of Legal Counsel memos were an "ethical train wreck" that "read as if they were reverse engineered to reach a predetermined outcome." Luban's main point is that if your 4-year-old Googled "water board," they would discover a 26-year-old appellate opinion repeatedly referring to the technique as "torture." But somehow this "single most relevant case in American law" was never even mentioned in the torture memos. Graham's masterful cross examination of Luban ranges from accusing the man of never having met Jay Bybee or John Yoo, accusing him of calling another panelist-Addicott-unethical since he also believes water-boarding is not torture, and accusing him of misleading the panel for failing to cite a case. The net effect of this performance is to establish conclusively that shouting at, browbeating, and humiliating someone is unlikely to produce any useful intelligence. Such subtlety would be lost on Sen. Graham.
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Show AllTORTURE IS A WAR CRIME. ANYONE AUTHORIZING IT, DOING IT OR REFUSING TO PROSECUTE IT IS A WAR CRIMINAL.
Exactly. Period. All else is BS. Stop the words...begin the proceedings!
Graham is an idiot. He is also a mealy mouthed, two faced ass that doesn't have a clue of what honesty and dignity are. The idiot won't shut his face long enough to allow anyone to tell the truth, because it would show that Graham is on the wrong side of it every time.
South Carolina should to itself and the rest of the country a favor and get rid of this ass. It's not even just an honest sense of disagreement I have with him, the man is just a liar of the highest caliber. PLEASE, South Carolina, do us ALL a big favor and replace him at the next opportunity.
In fact, I think this whole disgraceful episode is proof that we really need to clean house and senate of every man and woman in there and replace them with people who aren't bought and sold like cattle to the highest bidder. We need to replace every one of them with people who actually know and respect the constitution and the treaties that have been signed, including the one about torture that the rightie's object of idolatry, Reagan, signed.
Shame on Graham and all the rest who refuse to take this seriously.
Right on!
Lindsay Graham is an arrogant dick. He claims to be a military expert and impartial judge, when he really is biased and covering for illegal practices. Obviously, we all know who butters his bread. If you are going to investigate and incarcerate Cheney, do the same with Graham. He is just as guilty.
Graham is an idiot. He is also a mealy mouthed, two faced ass that doesn't have a clue of what honesty and dignity are.
This is true of nearly every politician in Warshington. The mealy-mouthed, the two-faced, the opportunists, those who prey upon the weak, the action junkies, the money cannibals - they're mostly the scum who go into politics.
"it's just propaganda that we tortured people,"
So now we have Torture Deniers, eh?
Please don't tell me about torture - it hurts my ears - lalalalala I can't hear you...
Torture is just the tip of the crimes.
Unfortunately Graham is not alone in that view. I see this every day in our courtrooms. When it comes to punishing the mighty (mostly corporations), our judges consider the law and the rules to be mere niceties that can be set aside. It's good to know that senator Graham has such high regard for our constitution. A nation doesn't need external enemies when it's own elected officials are willing to trash its constitution.
The media tend to report this as a partisan issue, when in fact it is not. Almost all Republicans and most Democrats don't want investigations or prosecutions. The only real difference is in the excuses they find.
The Republicans have it easier, because their base loves war, violence, capital punishment and torture anyway, and anyone who believes the universe is 6000 years old will believe just about anything. Accordingly, they either claim that it was legal, or that it was necessary to keep us safe.
The Democrats have a tougher time of it, so they use the old formula of futility, jeopardy and perversity.
Bush and Cheney pushed the envelope far enough that some courageous journalists peered inside and some whistleblowers opened it a bit more, but torture by the CIA is nothing new. It's part of the way our government has always done business, and the faux indignation at torture and murder by Democrats and the probably more genuine indignation of Republicans at the indignation of the Democrats are just political theater to placate their bases.
The laws against torture were expressly created to STOP anyone from using the excuses we hear today. That's why the unequivocally state that NO REASON is allowed for torture, and that includes a state of war - which is when the government is most likely to want to torture people. So maybe we should just do away with ALL LAWS anytime this country is up in arms about anything - and let the world know just how crazy we really are - and how low we will stoop to prove that wrong is right, when we know better...
This article, like every one I've read on the subject, skips over nuances that need to be understood. The act of waterboarding can be an act of torture, just like putting a bullet into someone. But morally speaking, in the right and very rare circumstance involving a "ticking bomb," waterboarding might be justified. That being said, waterboarding isn't IN LAW as it now exists justified, unlike shooting someone, which is perfectly legal, and in fact morally required, for self defense or defense of others against unlawful deadly force.
Bybee, Yoo, and Bradbury might have wanted waterboarding to be justified during interrogations, but their legal arguments were bogus. Moreover, they weren't legislators and had no power to change the law.
All this doesn't imply that methods that might be torture in some circumstances could never be justified to obtain information from terror suspects.
No one seems to grasp these nuances.
Finally, if it's established that methods like waterboarding ever work to elicit useful information, the U.S. could devise legal justifications, consistent with moral principles, for such techniques, but shouldn't enact such justifications into law unilaterally because of the adverse impact this would have on the U.S. in terms of world opinion, similar to what already happened under Bush. Only if and when the majority of nations, including Muslim nations, agree with us should techniques such as waterboarding be allowed in those extremely rare circumstances in which evidence shows they could help prevent intolerable loss of lives and property.