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Torture Ambivalence Masquerading as Moral and Intellectual Superiority
Behold the now-solidified Smart, Reasonable American Consensus on torture: the agreed-upon method for dismissing away -- mitigating and even justifying -- the fact that our leaders, more or less out in the open, instituted a systematic torture regime with the consent of our key elite institutions and a huge bulk of the American citizenry, engaging in behaviors which, for decades, we insisted were inexcusable war crimes when engaged in by others:
Sure, it was wrong. OK, we "crossed some lines." Yeah, we probably shouldn't have done it, etc. etc. etc. (yawn). But . . . . when American leaders did it, it was different -- fundamentally different -- than when those evil/foreign/dictator actual-war-criminals did it. Our leaders had good reasons for doing it. They were kind and magnanimous torturers. They committed war crimes with a pure heart. They tortured because they were scared, because they felt guilty that they failed to protect their citizens on 9/11, because they were eager -- granted: perhaps too eager -- to keep us, their loyal subjects, safe from The Murderous Terrorists.
Here are Tufts University Political Science Professor Dan Drezner and Stanford Philosophy Professor Joshua Cohen demonstrating how good-hearted, profoundly reasonable, oh-so-intellectually sophisticated Americans diligently struggle with -- torture themselves over -- what they have convinced themselves is the vexing question of whether our leaders should be considered "war criminals" by virtue of . . . . having committed unambiguous war crimes:
This is now the conventional wisdom, the settled consensus, of our political and media elites with regard to America's torture program. It's perfectly appropriate that Drezner cites and heaps praise on the self-consciously open-minded meditation on the torture question from The Atlantic's Ross Douthat because -- as I wrote in response to Douthat -- our political elites have now, virtually in unison, convinced themselves that ambiguity and understanding with regard to American war crimes are the hallmarks of both intellectual and moral superiority.
This is the justifying argument the political class has latched onto -- one that was spawned, revealingly enough, by Bush DOJ official Jack Goldsmith: sure, some of this might have been excessive and arguably wrong, but it was all done for the right reasons, by people who are good at heart. So common is this self-justifying American rationalization that it has now even infected the mentality of long-time Bush critics, such as The Los Angeles Times Editorial Page, which today argued that prosecutions for Bush officials are inappropriate, even though they clearly broke multiple laws, because "they did so as part of a post- 9/11 response to terrorism." As this excellent reply from Diane at Cab Drollery puts it: "civility and understanding is far more important to them than simple justice."
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There are so many fallacies with this mindset that it's almost impossible to describe them all in one sitting. But the worst fallacy, the most destructive and self-delusional, is the stunted self-centeredness in which this view is grounded. As I detailed in the post I wrote about Douthat's flamboyant "struggle" on the torture question, virtually every single war criminal in history can recite good reasons for undertaking "excessive" measures. Other than psychopaths who do it exclusively for sadistic entertainment, every torturer can point to actual fears, or genuine threats, or legitimate grievances that led them to sanction violence and brutality.
But people like Goldsmith, Drezner, Douthat, and The Los Angeles Times Editorial Page can only see a world in which they -- Americans -- are situated at the center. They cite the post-9/11 external threats which American leaders faced, the ostensible desire of Bush officials to protect the citizenry, and their desire to maximize national security as though those are unique and special motives, rather than what they are: the standard collection of excuses offered up by almost every single war criminal.
If ostensible self-protective motives are now considered mitigating factors in the commission of war crimes -- or, worse, if they justify immunity from prosecution -- then there is virtually no such thing any longer as a "war crime" that merits punishment. Every tyrant and every war criminal can avail themselves of this self-defense. But advocates of this view -- "Oh, American officials only did it to protect us from The Terrorists" -- can't or won't follow their premise to this logical conclusion because their oh-so-sophisticated and empathetic understanding that political leaders act with complex motives only extends to their own leaders, to Americans.
But the rest of the world's war criminals -- the non-Americans -- have no such complexities. They are basically nothing more than Saturday morning cartoon villains who commit war crimes not for any rational or justifiable reason or due to some grave predicament, but rather, out of some warped, cackling pleasure or to satisfy their evil, palm-rubbing plot for world domination and conquest. It's not an accident that, in the run-up to the war, our Government and media jointly issued a deck of illustrated playing cards to demonize Iraqi leaders, complete with cartoon villain names. It's how many Americans have been trained to conceive of whoever the Enemy de Jour is, but never our own leaders.
This is the self-absorbed mindset that allows the very same people who cheered for the attack on Iraq to, say, righteously condemn the Russian invasion of Georgia as a terrible act of criminal aggression. Russia's four-week occupation of Georgia is a heinous war crime, while our six-year-and-counting occupation of Iraq is a liberation. Russia drops destructive, lethal bombs on civilian populations, but the U.S. drops Freedom Bombs. Russian leaders were motivated by a desire for domination even though they withdrew after a few weeks; Americans, as always, are motivated by a desire to spread love and goodness. Freedom is on the March.
In the response I wrote to Douthat's piece, I wrote that this excuse-making for the Bush torture regime "isn't really anything more than standard American exceptionalism -- more accurately: blinding American narcissism -- masquerading as a difficult moral struggle." But that almost gives it too much credit. Really, this is nothing more than stunted adolescence. The definitive adolescent mindset is pure self-centeredness personified; it demands infinite understanding of and sympathy with one's own predicament and choices, and offers none for anyone else's. That's all this is: our Leaders -- Americans -- had good reasons to torture and therefore it shouldn't be punished; others who do it (the ones with foreign, unpronounceable names) have no good reasons and should be treated as criminals.
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There's an irony to the fact that this infinite capacity to self-justify is purely adolescent in nature. As the above-excerpted clip demonstrates, those who view American Torture as a fascinating moral dilemma over which Serious People publicly agonize -- as Drezner put it: "if you're a national security person, you don't care about the legal niceties . . . it is a complicated question; it's not cut and dried" -- have actually convinced themselves that their refusal to make clear, definitive judgments is a hallmark not only of their moral superiority, but of their intellectual superiority as well. Only shrill ideologues and simpletons on either side believe that the torture question is "cut and dried." They actually believe that their indecisive open-mindedness on such clear moral questions is a sign of their rich and deep complexity, even though it's nothing more than an adolescent inability to assess the world through any prism other than their own immediate reflexive desires and self-interest.
Independently ironic is the fact that these self-styled complex intellectuals are actually embracing the most intellectually superficial and simplistic form of analysis possible. On one side, they hear Dick "dunk in the water" Cheney and Rush "just blowing off steam" Limbaugh overtly justifying torture. On the other side, they hear what they perceive as the Far Left "civil liberties extremists" arguing that torture unambiguously is a war crime and those who order it are and therefore should be treated as war criminals.
But all good, smart, Serious Broder-esque elites know that the Truth is never found on either extreme. It's always found in the center -- defined as whatever result is derived by randomly mixing the two poles. Even on questions involving the clearest legal and moral lines -- such as torture -- the Center is intrinsically right. Hence: "yes, torture is wrong; but no, our Leaders don't deserve prosecution for it because their hearts were in the right place." It's as intellectually shallow as it gets -- smart people always go to the center. That it's intellectually shallow doesn't prove it's wrong. But it's ironic indeed that these reflexive Centrists have convinced themselves that their reliance on this simpleton's crutch is proof of their elevated intellectual rigor.
More simplistic still is the very idea that the motives of Bush officials -- including Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld -- can be reduced to one clear and pure desire: To Protect Us. Even one's own motives, let alone those of others, are notoriously difficult to ascertain. The certainty claimed by those who are defending Bush officials about what their motives were in torturing is absurd. There are all sorts of reasons to believe that they were motivated, at least in part, by the power that comes from torture, or a desire for vengeance, or the belief that the detainees in our custody were sub-human, or just general indifference to law and morality. How have those ignoble motives been ruled out by their defenders and noble motives so emphatically embraced? Ultimately, though, the reason leaders torture is irrelevant. It's one of those few absolute taboos, and it's almost as immoral to seek to dilute that taboo by offering motive-based mitigations as it is to engage in it in the first place.
Recall the Ward Churchill controversy, when an obscure academic was catapulted to infamy for a deeply satisfying Two Minute Hate Session, so that he could be held up as the consensus symbol of perverted anti-American amorality -- because he suggested that the acts of the 9/11 attackers should be understood, perhaps even deemed mitigated, by the justifiable grievances that motivated them. Yet just a few short years later, here we find that exact theory being hauled out in defense of our own leaders:
Sure, they engaged in acts that are universally criminalized and despised by all civilized societies, but it's not enough simply to evaluate those acts on their own. The underlying reasons -- their root causes -- need to be considered in order to determine how bad they really were. The motives of our leaders were good, and therefore their acts were, at worst, morally ambiguous.
A "root cause" theory that is deemed unspeakably evil in American discourse when applied to non-Americans is immediately embraced by our elites when we need a way to explain the fact that our own leaders committed unambiguous war crimes.
It's certainly true that the Drezners and Douthats are nowhere near as extreme as the Cheneys and Limbaughs. After all, the former pay lip service to the idea that torture is wrong, whereas the latter explicitly defend it. But I actually prefer the Cheney/Limbaugh candor to the Drezner/Douthat pseudo-intellectual conceit, which is, ultimately, more pernicious. What they're offering is blatant excuse-making and mitigation-rationale -- the Ward Churchill defense -- thinly disguised as an intellectually sophisticated, profoundly reasonable moral struggle. They pretend to be offended by what was done while offering Reasonable Person theories that justify forgetting about all of it and even implicitly believing that it was done for noble ends. Most of all -- worst of all -- they seek to depict their own ambivalence about torture (American Torture, that is) as the only morally and intellectually respectable position, while those who call it a war crime and want it treated as such are blinded ideologues and extremists, impervious to the Serious, multi-layered complexities of the world.
UPDATE: Back in June, 2004, Matt Stoller wrote a piece -- entitled "Daniel Drezner, the Mediocre Reasonable Conservative" -- that captured much of the mentality I'm describing here. Matt's focus was on Drezner's various apologist behaviors for the Iraq War (which, needless to say, Drezner supported, and which I, too, wrote about before -- here: see Item 6). Back then, Stoller specifically said this about Drezner: "The problem as I see it is the essential unwillingness of someone like Drezner to admit what he knows is true - Iraq is an attempt at empire perpetrated by deeply illiberal individuals."
In reply, Drezner wrote -- and, remember, this was in June, 2004: more than four years ago:
Oh, please - an empire that sent in fewer troops than was necessary? An administration that now seems hell-bent on getting out of the country? Where's your evidence for empire?
"Hell-bent on getting out of the country": that's from a self-styled expert in international affairs in 2004. This is why I've become increasingly resistant to the notion that the abuses and destruction of the last eight years should be blamed exclusively on the Bush administration. It's undoubtedly true they are culpable in all of it, but -- as several commenters here pointed out -- most of what the administration did was, with some notable exceptions, either actively cheered on or implicitly justified via this type of obsequious apologetics by our elite institutions: Congress, the media, academia, etc. As demonstrated by the collective attempt now to prettify the "pure-at-heart" torture regime and thus relieve these elites of responsibility for it, none of these apologist efforts has abated in the slightest.
As always, it's important to emphasize that
examining Drezner's comments here is worthwhile only as an illustrative
endeavor -- not because his mindset is rare or unique to him, but
precisely because it isn't. In fact, so appropriately and revealingly,
this pro-war, torture-mitigating, "hell-bent-on-getting-out" academic
is about to become, beginning early next year, the official the official a blogger for Foreign Policy, the establishment journal of America's Foreign Policy Community.
That's a perfect microcosm of the last eight years: Support the Iraq War. Spout patently false claims to justify it. Rationalize and mitigate American Torture by insisting it's a complicated question and was authorized with good and noble motives. Have your credibility, visibility and establishment credentials enhanced.
UPDATE II: Joshua Cohen, via email, objected to how his views here were characterized. After exchanging several emails with him yesterday, I was entirely unconvinced that I had mischaracterized anything he said, but nonetheless invited him to write a response, which I promised to post in full, unedited form and append to this post. The reply submitted by Cohen is here.
As I told him, it's a bit difficult to argue that one's comments have been distorted when the person criticizing the comments posts the full, unedited video of the original discussion, as I did here. I'm perfectly content to have everyone compare his actual remarks in the video to what I wrote in the one instance I mentioned Cohen and decide for themselves if his comments were fairly characterized here or not.
On his own blog, Dan Drezner has also posted a "reply," one that -- as the comment section to his post reflects -- is almost entirely bereft of substance. I replied to what he wrote in his comment section.
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Show AllAgain a brilliant piece and bang on.
Greenwald is right on again, the prohibition against torture is absolute.
Unfortunately torture is now such a part of US policy that it has been defended by a Justice of the US Supreme Court
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/feb2008/tort-f21.shtml
who asserts that US agents can go anywhere in the world, do anything they want and their victims have no redress in US courts, as we have recently seen.
Scalia correctly asserts that foreigners outside of the US have no Constitutional rights whatsoever. It has always been that way. Think about it.
Scalia does not assert that torture is legal, and in fact it is illegal for US citizens to engage in torture. Instead he goes into the old "torture isn't torture" schtick.
It's an excuse by some to leave authority blameless. They have existed in many times, in many places. It won't work. I'm reading "Nemesis" by Chalmers Johnson, at the start of the book. He's talking about Hannah Arendt attending the trial of Adolph Eichmann and concluding that he didn't "think". And she writes a new phrase "desk murder", people who order murder from their desks. I would change it a bit, to people who do not question. People who do not question authority, orders. There's a good line in the good movie, "Ronin",(1998) by a minor character, not to question "our betters". (Although I protest the end, and how the Irish Republicans were portrayed. Until the end, and a bit too violent, but a good movie.)
The people in the US government,administration who ordered torture, and the other criminal acts, the violations of the treaties and the national laws, must be held accountable by law. If it won't happen here, some other countries with prosecute under their "universal jurisdiction". And how ironic is it that Germany has "universal jurisdiction?
Great piece and comments all.
American exceptionalism, yes. And unfortunately Barack Obama said he believes in this 'theology'. It all reminds me of the excuses for torturning for the past two thousand years. The 'church' being the most glaring example. It was for the good of the victim's soul.
There is so much to be said here. However, i believe that pure sadism is the bottom line. Torture doesn't give reliable information and everyone knows this. So what is left as the purpose for all of this? Experimentation regarding the breaking of the human mind and spirit? This has been posited by some. It has been going on since the early fifties in a variety of ways. I think we need to begin to also ask, not only IF it is acceptable but WHY in God's name is it so prevalent? I think this needs to be brought into the open.
The fall of the empire can't come soon enough! I bet the Romans thought of themselves as morally superior and such, obnoxiously stating every day that they were the best country... And I'm sure that they justified to themselves the horrible practices that they "learned" from the "barbarians" when _they_ applied them. Yet I'm also sure that they got just as much of a rush, a feeling of ultimate power over another human being, as Cheney and others did when they, say, ordered that a _child's_ testicles be crushed. And this is all so pasee' to the American public who have been brainwashed into believing that American Idol is more important than learning what their government is doing. Our society is sick, dysfunctional to tremendous degree. We are a cancer on the face of humanity and we don't deserve our "liberty" which, incidentally must be earned through constant vigilance and constant questioning of authority, not by bombing defenseless people on the other side of the world.
sorry, double post
Let me see -- I am responsible for the safety and security of my very large extended family. I need more money to make sure that they are housed safely and fed properly in these very insecure times and I need a raise. My boss is terrorizing me with the threat of layoff if I do not accept a reduction in my wages, never mind a raise. I kidnap him off the street, torture him into giving me the combination to the company safe, which he eventually does (but it is not the correct one). I keep him in my cellar prison because I do not dare release him regardless everyone now knows where he is and the crime I committed because I admitted it on television. There are some who say that I should not be arrested or sent to prison because I was acting to protect my family and ensure their safety. It is a difficult moral dilemma because I was acting in good faith toward my family. Should I be arrested and brought to court to face the charges?
To say no, I who demonstrably broke the laws of my country, should remain free of prosecution is moral, juridical and political relativism. If one breaks the laws of the country, one should be brought to the courts to prove innocence and failing to prove that, in a fair trial, one should suffer the punishment as ordered by the laws. Torture is illegal. There should be no relativistic debate about that.
thanks, Glenn, for your contributions to the work of removing the shills from our media. but perhaps a better word would be 'whores,' since they contentedly refer to themselves as 'embedded.'
"I have said repeatedly that America doesn't torture, and I'm going to make sure that we don't torture," Obama said Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes." "Those are part and parcel of an effort to regain America's moral stature in the world."
Edward Gibbon famously attributed the fall of the Roman Empire to its embrace of Christianity, and I have little doubt that future historians will give pride of place to conservative Christians in America's collapse. It has been their support of conservative Republicans from Reagan to George W Bush that has made possible the 8 year crime spree known as the Bush Administration.
Conservative Christian values are clearly delineated in the enthusiastic, unwavering support for irresponsible tax cuts for the richest of the rich, impoverishment of the poor and working classes, encouragement of predatory practices through virtual anarchy in the financial sector, massive deficit spending, warmongering, war crimes, war profiteering, fraud, corruption, muzzling of scientists, irresponsible environmental policies, erosion of our constitutional rights, repudiation of international law, denial of healthcare to children in need and the rest of their agenda.
The moral collapse of our country has nothing to do with abortion or gay marriage, the two hobby horses of the right, and everything to do with its repudiation of everything Jesus, its alleged messiah, taught.
Alex
Bring America Back !!!! Wonderful treatise on the torture subject,if one really wants to isolate 'torture' for examination.
***I am in line with Glen Greenwald's most excellent piece here, quoting the so called experts then countering them with sheer brains, common sense, and tact!
But why do we want to waste our talents on the microcosm(s) of waterboarding?
***So, I've just gotta remind Greenwald and our Progs in here--the Bush War
Crimes did NOT begin in the Torture Chamber (post 9/11 as nearly all refer to it). The pervasive mindset here is tantamount to allowing Cheney to plead
guilty to the lesser crime of "Torture" !
***The War Crimes of this administration began PRE-9/11 and on 9/11, and they
then were able to get away with murder under the hoax of a war on terrorism !
They'll gladly admit to torture when what they got away with was The Privacy Acts, a worthless Dept of Homeland Security, major Telecon felonious wiretapping of American citizens by the NSA, a six year War on the "wrong country". Just to name but a few !!!!
***David Southwell in his expose "Secrets and Lies" tells us the CIA has agents in every major broadcaster from BBC to CNN to AL JAZEERA ! Do you really believe the mainstream media and the US party line that a boogieman cave dweller and 19 airline school flunkouts could pull off the technical genius that was
9/11 ??? Apparently, the next President fell for it, as Obama has promised to lead a Crusade to Tora Bora searching all the right caves, then slaying the mythical dragon known as bin Laden !! He thinks, or leads us to believe he thinks, that Bush' troops just looked in all the wrong caves !! As they pack their bags at the White House I can just see Cheney & Bush having a belly laugh and chuckle over that one !!!
***THINK! On 9/11, after being informed the USA is under attack, Pres Bush just sits for 10 minutes in front of an kindergarden school class in Sarasota, Florida reading "My Pet Goat" Do you think for even one second, the US Secret Service would allow Him to just sit there smiling, while simultaneously the US Secret Service was physically whisking VP Cheney against his will into the underground emergency ops bunker in DC ???? Do you really buy into the official party line that the SS didn't want to excite the little kiddies by letting our Number 1 Big Guy just sit there while his Nation crashed and burned ???? This goes against everything the US Secret Service stands for, and is trained and drilled and drilled to do! Their mission was to immediately get Him back to Air Force One and up into the safety of the skies. This in itself is high proof that Both Bush and his Secret Service detachment knew beforehand the 9/11 attacks were coming==they knew the locations, timing==and they knew that Sarasota schoolhouse was His alibi. THINK, otherwise how did the SS know there was not a missile heading for Sarasota, or another jumbo jet from boogieman Laden expertly aimed at the schoolhouse ???? THINK, THEY KNEW===THEY KNEW.
Bring America Back !!!! It is simply then, that when I see these endless
and intellectual treatises, documentations, feathered postulations on the
torture themes, I must say that these are mis-directions, mis-informations
and dis-informations to lead we sheeples into the wrong pastures once again !
We desperately need to stick to the TRUTH--that 9/11 was and is the
main Neocon War Crime, the 9/11 Commission was merely a cover-up of US
complicity, and the real terrorists came right out of the mainstream intelligence
community. Those are clearly listed in the occupants of Building Number 7,
prior to 9/11, World Trade Center. NYC. Any resemblance of those occupants
to torture is purely coincidental.
Tortue is tortue. We all know what is and isn't torture. Glenn Greenwald's article is exactly right.
There can never be an excuse for an American to torture a prisoner. Using their reasoning as he states, since militant islamic terroists cut off heads, or Mexican Cartels cut off heads, its all right for us to cut the heads off our prisoners? Foolis prattle to believe torture is ever justified.
The hell with people that approve it.
The US fought WWII against the Axis powers, who used torture as a matter of policy and were 100000 times the threat terrorism is. Why did the US not find it necessary to use torture then?
This is the most comprehensive commentary on the entire torture controversy I've seen. I don't see how anyone can top what Greenwald says here. Far as I'm concerned, it's the last word on the conniving duplicity, and complicity, extant all through corporate media and academia that tortuosly defends this torturing, criminal administration because there has been an unspoken pact among these assholes for 8 years to do absolutely NOTHING about the Bush junta. From John Yoo all the way down to some yokel professor at your local university, these jackanapes have been defending base criminality for two consecutive illegal presidential terms.
And so we have a criminalized intellectual class forever vigilant against us marginalized and "strident ideologues of the Left" who have merely been calling for upholding the rule of law. As Greenwald says, over and over, we're considered simpletons and rubes for caring about such things, when the Super Serious elite punditocracy is ogled by the masses as if they were all moral Einsteins. In more ways than one can count, this defines the slow-motion downfall of this entire nation, right into the moral, intellectual and even economic toilet. The rest of the world won't be calling in Roto Rooter once we're swirling down the pipes, even though they'll have to deal with us as Waste Management.
Drezner is a contemptible motor-mouth self-important dickwad, paid to excuse war crimes as if they're nothing more than well-intentioned decisions taken from ambiguous and confusing world events by basically heroic leaders who only want to protect and serve us to the best of their ability. OK, Greenwald has already said this. Sorry.
> blinding American narcissism -- masquerading as a difficult moral struggle." But that almost gives it too much credit. Really, this is nothing more than stunted adolescence.
I think they know that its wrong, they know that their arguments are bogus, and they are weaving a web of deceit because they are afraid of losing their jobs.
They say there is a TV series in which the hero is a torturer.
The President breaks the law whenever he pleases.
Tell me again why this is not a fascist state.
Glenn Greenwald - Once again you nailed the pompous whores. You are a one-man anti-bullshit squad par excellence. A Daumier with words.
Joe