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Cheney says Top Congressional Democrats Complicit in Spying
Dick Cheney's interview yesterday with Fox's Chris Wallace was filled with significant claims, but certainly among the most significant was his detailed narration of how the administration, and Cheney personally, told numerous Democratic Congressional leaders -- repeatedly and in detail -- about the NSA warrantless eavesdropping program. And, according to Cheney, every one of those Democrats -- every last one -- not only urged its continuation, but insisted that it be kept secret:
WALLACE: Let's drill down into some of the specific measures that you pushed - first of all, the warrantless surveillance on a massive scale, without telling the appropriate court, without seeking legislation from Congress.
Why not, in the aftermath of 9/11 and the spirit of national unity, get approval, support, bring in the other branches of government?
CHENEY: Well, let me tell you a story about the terror surveillance program. We did brief the Congress. And we brought in...
WALLACE: Well, you briefed a few members.
CHENEY: We brought in the chairman and the ranking member, House and Senate, and briefed them a number of times up until - this was - be from late '01 up until '04 when there was additional controversy concerning the program.
At that point, we brought in what I describe as the big nine - not only the intel people but also the speaker, the majority and minority leaders of the House and Senate, and brought them into the situation room in the basement of the White House.
I presided over the meeting. We briefed them on the program, and what we'd achieved, and how it worked, and asked them, "Should we continue the program?" They were unanimous, Republican and Democrat alike. All agreed - absolutely essential to continue the program.
I then said, "Do we need to come to the Congress and get additional legislative authorization to continue what we're doing?" They said, "Absolutely not. Don't do it, because it will reveal to the enemy how it is we're reading their mail."
That happened. We did consult. We did keep them involved. We ultimately ended up having to go to the Congress after the New York Times decided they were going to make the judge to review all of - or make all of this available, obviously, when they reacted to a specific leak.
But it was a program that we briefed on repeatedly. We did these briefings in my office. I presided over them. We went to the key people in the House and Senate intel committees and ultimately the entirely leadership and sought their advice and counsel, and they agreed we should not come back to the Congress.
Cheney's reference to the "additional controversy concerning the program" that arose after 2004 and that led to additional Congressional briefings is ambiguous and creates a somewhat unclear time line: is he referring to late 2004, when the White House learned that The New York Times knew about the NSA program and was considering writing about it (only to then obey the President's orders to keep it a secret), or is he referring to the time when, more than a full year later, in December 2005, the NYT finally got around to writing about it, once Bush was safely re-elected?
Either way, Cheney's general claim is as clear as it is incriminating. According to him, key Congressional Democrats were told about the illegal NSA spying program in detail, and they not only actively approved of it, but far beyond that, they insisted that no Congressional authorization should even be sought, based on what was always the patently inane claim that to discuss the fact that the administration was eavesdropping on our conversations without warrants (rather than with warrants, as the law required) would be to reveal our secrets -- "our playbook" -- to Al Qaeda.
It is certainly true that Dick Cheney is not exactly the most scrupulously honest public servant around. In fact, he's almost certainly the opposite. Still, what he said yesterday was merely an expanded and more detailed version of what has previously been publicly reported and, to some degree, confirmed about the knowledge and support of Democratic leaders for the NSA program. Cheney's claims encompasses the following key Democrats:
- Nancy Pelosi (Ranking Member, House Intelligence Committee, House Minority Leader);
- Jane Harman (Ranking Member, House Intelligence Committee);
- Jay Rockefeller (Ranking Member, Senate Intelligence Committee);
- Harry Reid (Senate Minority Leader).
Unsurprisingly, Pelosi, Harman and Rockefeller all voted last July to legalize warrantless eavesdropping and to immunize telecoms from liability, thereby ensuring an end to the ongoing investigations into these programs. And though he ultimately cast a meaningless vote against final passage, it was Reid's decisions as Majority Leader which played an instrumental role in ensuring passage of that bill.
One would think that these Democratic leaders would, on their own, want to respond to Cheney's claims about them and deny the truth of those claims. After all, Cheney's statement is nothing less than an accusation that they not only enthusiastically approved, but actively insisted upon the continuation and ongoing secrecy, of a blatantly illegal domestic spying program (one that several of them would, once it was made public, pretend to protest). As Armando says, "The Democratic members who participated in this meeting have two choices in my mind - refute Cheney's statements or admit their complicity in the illegal activity perpetrated by the Bush Administration."
I'm going to spend the day calling these members and trying to get some response to Cheney's claim. If I'm unable to obtain any responses, I'll post their numbers and encourage everyone to make similar calls. As I wrote on Saturday -- and documented before: "As a practical reality, the largest barrier to any route to prosecution -- including this one -- is that the Congressional Democratic leadership was complicit, to varying degrees, in the illegal programs." That's true not only of the NSA program, but also the Bush/Cheney torture program.
One last point: there is much consternation over Dick Cheney's "Nixon/Frost moment" yesterday, where he expressly endorsed the idea that, as a "general proposition," a "wartime" President can do anything he wants -- even if it violates duly enacted statutes -- as long as it's justified in the name of national security. In one sense, Cheney was being so explicit yesterday about his belief in Bush's lawbreaking powers in part because he's taking pride in being so defiant on his way out the door -- daring a meek and impotent political class to do anything about his lawlessness -- and also because Chris Wallace conducted one of the best interviews (and, revealingly, one of the only interviews) about the Bush/Cheney view of executive power.
But that this was the Bush administration's central operating principle is something that -- as was true for Cheney's involvement in America's torture regime -- was long known. As I wrote all the way back in December, 2005, days after the NSA scandal was first revealed:
These are not academic questions. Quite the contrary, it is hard to imagine questions more pressing. We are at a moment in time when not just fringe ideologues, but core, mainstream supporters of the President -- not to mention senior officials in the Administration itself - are openly embracing the theory that the President can use the power and military force of the United States to do whatever he wants, including to and against U.S. citizens, as long as he claims that it is connected to America's "war" against terrorists - a war which is undeclared, ever-expanding, and without any visible or definable end.
While Bush advocates have long been toying with this theory in the shadows, the disclosure that Bush ordered warrantless eavesdropping on American citizens in undeniable violation of a Congressional statute has finally forced them to articulate their lawless power theories out in the open. Bush got caught red-handed violating the law, and once it became apparent that no argument could be made that he complied with the law, the only way to defend him was to come right out and say that he has the right to break the law. So that debate -- over the claimed limitlessness of George Bush's power -- can't be put off any longer.
By itself, the long-disclosed September 25, 2001 Yoo Memorandum left no doubt that our Government had formally and explicitly adopted an ideology of lawlessness. As a country, we just chose to ignore all of that, chose to do nothing about it. The absues and extremism of the last eight years began as a Bush administration initiative, but it culminated as something for which both political parties, our leading political and media institutions, and our citizenry generally bear collective responsibility.
* * * * * On a somewhat related note, this creepy little post inserted onto Matt Yglesias' Center for American Progress blog by Jennifer Palmieri, the CEO of CAP's "Action Fund", is a vivid exhibit illustrating how Washington works, for reasons which Matt Stoller, Markos Moulitsas, and Brendan Nyhan all describe. Matt very well may not consider it to constitute interference with his editorial autonomy, but it nonetheless illustrates the potential constraints that can come from writing for an organization like that.
When I first joined Salon, the commitment they made, which for me was non-negotiatiable, was absolute editorial independence. Though that's an unusual commitment for a magazine to make, they did make it, and they never once -- in almost two years of my being here -- even came close to violating it. Even as I've waged quite acrimonious mini-wars with friends and former colleagues of top editors and officers here, and even as I've aggressively advocated views that were, at times, the opposite of the ones top editors here were advocating, there's never been a hint of interference or even pressure, and I couldn't even fathom their doing anything like sticking a note onto my blog of the type Palmieri just inserted onto Matt's blog.
Editorial independence is quite rare and quite valuable. It's still one of the key distinguishing features between blogs/alternative media outlets and establishment media. As Atrios suggests: "contemplate the issue of editorial independence, and the various revenue models which make it possible or not." It's worth supporting the bloggers who practice it and the media venues that allow and encourage it.
UPDATE: As I said, Cheney's time line is unclear, and it's possible, when he references an "additional controversy," he's referring to the DOJ's objections to the NSA program in March, 2004 -- not anything having to do with the New York Times. That would mean the detailed, expanded briefings he's describing would have included then-Minority Leader Tom Daschle, but not Harry Reid (who only became Minority Leader in 2005, once Daschle lost). If Cheney is describing 2005 briefings, they would have included Reid. That's all the more reason why responses from leading Democrats here is required.
That key Democrats were briefed on the NSA program is anything but new. USA Today reported in 2006 that Democratic leaders including Pelosi were repeatedly briefed on the program. There is some marginal dispute about what they were and weren't told, but no dispute about the existence of the briefings and the complete lack of any real efforts by Democrats to stop it or even object.




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Show AllHey, the 'war on terror' pops up today, right on schedule - providing another day of roadblocks in Washington to any other concern of Progressives.
Getting these criminals would be so much easier during peacetime!
""America's "war" against terrorists - a war which is undeclared, ever-expanding, and without any visible or definable end.""
-I disagree with the 'undeclared' notion, but let's keep shining light on this insane and unwinnable conundrum.
""a "wartime" President can do anything he wants""
-so take this argument (and all that dangerous power) away by ending the 'war'.
It's the most important thing that America can do, right now.
The fountainhead speaks and reveals all the skeletons in the closet, he knows where they all are. And they are in your closet.
Writing as a former constituent of Jane Harman (Venice Beach is in her district); I am not surprised she showed up on Cheney's list of the complicit, as she has long been a national security groupie / hawk. In fact, she rivals Senator Diane Feinstein for being a corporate Democrat (she is married to Sidney Harman, who's company makes Harman-Karden auto sound systems), and exceeds her when it comes to the War biz. Do not expect this revelation to be an automatic cause for her electoral ouster though: her district is quite polarized between it's northern section (Venice Beach) and it's inland and southern section (Torrance and the Palos Verdes pennsula) & she barely won the district from an incumbent Republican douche bag who was worse than her.
www.wunderman-comics.com
And the sad fact is NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY, is going to do anything about all this illegal activity. What a crime. We live in a society that has totally broken down. Murder, spying, torture, fraud, etc., are all acceptable forms of doing business in the US government. And they do even try to hide it anymore!!!
I had figured this all along. If Cheney is telling the truth, which, while hard to believe, is believable in this case, we now know why Nancy Pelosi declared that "impeachment is off the table." This is obviously due to the fact that she was complicit in the offenses. It may take people a while to understand, but understand they must. We need a third party, among other things. It would also help if the ACLU ever got it through it's thick head that nothing is seriously going to change until the decision from Valerio vs. Buckley, making money the equivalent of free speech, is overturned. Otherwise, money talks, bulls*it walks, and we have parties that look very much like each other. I have already heard so many supporters of Obama groaning as he disappoints them on a daily basis.
Until we have term limits on all elective offices and public financing of all elections noting will change.
Nothing short of a revolution is sufficient for real change. All we have now is two wings of the Amerikan Corporists Party.
Mr. Greenwald is outstanding.
I have a question: who were they spying on BEFORE september 11th 2001 ???
And what did they find?
Good question that seems to have been forgotten. Maybe you should ask Joe Nacchio, at least he hasn't died in a plane crash.
"That key Democrats were briefed on the NSA program is anything but new."
But that doesn't absolve the Dumbocrats, and the brainless dumbocrat voters that renewed Pelosi's, Reid's, Harman's and Rockefeller's terms in Congress.
Prepare the guillotine for them all!
As many of us have been saying all along, it's one big happy family with two different colored t-shirts.
My favorite, though, is this: "Absolutely not. Don't do it, because it will reveal to the enemy how it is we're reading their mail."
Because "the enemy" is soooooo stupid that they would never, ever even guess that, long before 9/11, "we" were reading their mail, and listening to all of their calls (and live conversations when possible,) and placing informants into their groups, and probably sometimes sticking a transponder up their asses.
Nope - just a buncha dumbass camel-riding freedom-haters who never heard of them Internet tube things (but yet were somehow so crafty they were able to hijack 4 jets simultaneously with only boxcutters and fly them with near precision accuracy.)
Note to President-elect Change: investigate it all and, if some of your "friends" end up royally f**ked for breaking the law, then that's just tough shit.
I like to start with Glenn Greenwald. It's now covered on DailyKos. I await the coverage on DemocracyNow. I didn't comment earlier because:Cheney lies. I will wait until there's more. I think I just pointed out to myself that I trust the internet and independent media more than I trust Washington Post and NYTimes, although sometimes they have something reliable. Remember:there are no heroes, but don't rush to judgment on how rotten Congress may have been...yet. Cheney says they knew, and in 2005 the leaders of Congress said they didn't get told much. How much do we need to know/what and what do we do about it?
I greatly admire Glenn Greenwald! He is a patriot of the highest order and brings honor to his chosen profession.
Other than Cheney's most recent statements, most of this stuff here was already known. It was obvious when Pelosi & Co refused to impeach that they had a vested interest. The excuse that it was too divisive for the country was pure hogwash.
I guess this is what it's come to at the end of the American Republic.
Cheney is a liar. He lies constantly. He is lying about this.
Democrats have been attempting to reign this program in since they found out about it.
Sorry, Mr. Cheney, but I refuse to believe your lies that the Democrats had anything to do with your insidious spying program.
I wished you were correct but I think that you had better ask Reid and Pelosi first to confirm. We need real Democrats, not "Buddy Bears" (the go-along-get-along cartoon bears from Garfield & Friends).
I don't think that the Congressional roll call vote that showed Democrats helping Bush to pass his evisceration of FISA earlier this year was a lie.
Besides, you the one who told us a couple of days ago that the law should come down hard on the little people, but give a free pass to our Dear Leaders because they have to be concerned about national security. What are you complaining about Cheney for if you don't believe in the rule of law for the powerful?
Cheney is indeed a liar, but Joe Hopeless is worse....a believer in lies, a believer in myth, when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.
"Reign this program in".....hah! How mindlessly deluded you are. Check the roll call vote, Joe. Your man, the man of "hope" voted to give immunity to the telcos that were spying on us.
What further proof do you need that we are governed by a one-party system with two right wings?
I never said that the powerful should be immune from the law. I said the law should be flexible and that most of the so-called crimes of the Bush administration were also committed by previous administrations.
And, yes, the Democrats did try to reign in the surveillance program and though they were unable to defeat it, they did manage to work out a compromise that provided more oversight. If you won't take my word for it, then I suggest you read Cass Sunstein's debate with Glen Greenwald on Democracy Now.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/22/obama_adviser_cass_sunstein_debates_glenn
Sioux Rose
Does Greenwald buy the "911" party line? Because while it's obvious the mood after the explosions and Anthrax scare was fear-based, a lot of us believe the whole thing was orchestrated AS an inside job. Having the capacity to listen in on what all the progressive organizations and their thinkers were surmising would be quite a pre-emptive strategy to silence any meaningful dissent, or viable questions. I don't think Pelosi knew it was an inside job; however, by making it her decision to stand in the way of the furtherance of justice, she then became a co-conspirator.
I have been talking about real warrant less surveillance for over a year.
They all know about it, from the Federal level down to Sate and local county level.
There has been an elevation to power of hundreds of people under the patriot act all over this country. People who have been given cart blanch to use all the spy technology ,email tapping,internet tapping and phone tapping ,including Deadly Electronic Weapons, and personnel for foot surveillance, at state and local levels to look for terrorists.
Here's there biggest problem, there aren't any. So they have been using their power to create suspects or get rid of undesirables, to build community watch recruits for practice and power for DHS money.
Community elites and leaders use the Fire department and EMS workers in there community's to run the spy rings. And they don't like being written about or exposed.
They use gang stalking slander and torture tactics to destroy any one that gets in there way. They are nothing but a bunch of torture freaks that practice vigilantism that borders on premeditated murder.
I have seen it with my own eyes and am a torture victim of Firefighter community watch groups.
They are truly drunk with power and think they are untouchable because gang stalking is so difficult to prove that if you try you will look like a paranoid delusional psycho.
Whats even more sick , is that your elected community officials are in the loop and are drinking from the same bottle.
They have been thrust into power by the good old boy Republican neocons and have profited handsomely.
Thats why the desperation level was so high to get Mccain elected. They needed another Republican in office for another 8 years to continue on the gravy train of unconstitutional law breaking.
They are now going to run like cockroaches with the kitchen light turned on, assuming Obama has the Constitutional fortitude to stop the growth of the stazi police state.
My guess is that until the spying hits them at the highest levels , in other words, they start spying on the elite or one another, the stazi police will continue to operate.If so, it will be to late to halt the programs and the foolish elite who bought into this crap will loose everything.
This is very dangerous to our Democracy and needs to be shut down now, exposed and stopped now.
Domestic surveillance torture is a crime, and a cancer on our civil liberties.
BornFreeMen
Restore the constitution and shut down all warrant less spy networks now.
Here is tempting bait seeking to lure Obama and his adminstration into its trap: The only way they will expose those complicit is by using the corrupt practices they seek to eliminate to bring all this into the open and by so doing become what they seek to eliminate. Or, they dismantle the program and do not prosecute those who perpetrated this outrage thus assuring its liklihood to occur again. This whole thing is a monstrous outrage.
Poet
Cheney is an inveterate liar, but I think he's telling the truth here. We already know that Pelosi and Rockefeller knew about and approved torture and lied about it afterwards. Harman allegedly expressed some reservations but did nothing to stop it. And even Obama voted for giving immunity to telecoms companies for violating Americans' constitutional rights, and is disinclined to investigate and prosecute the abuses.
The horrifying, nearly fascist turn taken by our government in the past 8 years may have been directed by Bush and Cheney, but it wouldn't have been possible without the gleeful support of the Republicans and the more tacit support, or at best craven inaction, of the Democrats.
Alex
Cheney's a lying piece of hyena turd, except when he's telling the truth about lying to American citizens about wire taping, which he told the lying Congress the truth about, then Congress lied to the US citizens about what they really knew, who then believed they were being lied to by someone and those someone liars pointed to each other and shouted "they're lying!"
he's basically leaving the congress a PARTING SHOT:
"investigate ME and bush and company and WE'LL RAT ON ALL OF YOU".
it's a bald-faced THREAT to the complicit democrats. they know it, he knows it, and that's why they will COWER as the cowARDS that they have become. ...and the American republic is finally DEAD.
he HAD them in his hands all the time. and that's partly because of THEIR own corruption.
LIE with Dogs and you BECOME a dog.
that goes for many institutions or "movements" in america.
even its UNIONS are generally between a rock and a cliff and many are actually ENABLERS or have become so - of what they "fight against".
the USA - in its present form can NOT be saved. it will destroy itself first before anything called "change" comes.
Teddy sez:
"LIE with Dogs and you BECOME a dog."
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I recognize the clever play on the word "lie" (to recline and to tell an untruth).
One of the other things one gets if they "lie with dogs" is fleas. The "fleas" include: lying through the use of confusing and vague euphemisms,lying by declaring
anything that is embarassing as "classified", and lying by false imprisonment.
Poet
United we stand! Demoks and Repuks of America, consolidate power NOW! God Bless We The ELITES!! Pigs in the house!
This is all the proof necessary to understand and appreciate that this is not a government of the people. The ruling elite are being truthful, for once.
This is not your government. The citizen is only a subject of the ruling elite.
It follows that there is no information on the use of the bailout money. They have no need or interest in informing you of what they do or why they do it.
Clearly, the members of the House and Senate who are part of this illegal action should resign. They should be compelled to resign.
It is no wonder there is so little sentiment on Capitol Hill to prosecute those responsible -- it comes back to their own culpability. It comes back to their silent acquiescence to torture. It comes back to the possibility of their own criminal prosecution for war crimes.