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Vice President Dick Cheney's Incredible and Deadly Lie
By Deceiving a Congressional Leader, Cheney Sent Us to War on False Pretenses and Violated the Separation of Powers - as Well as the Criminal Law
This week, I agreed to deliver a "Constitution Day" talk on a college campus. My talk was not partisan. Yet the subject matter I selected was prompted by the most incredible - not to mention the most deadly - lie Dick Cheney has yet told, which was reported earlier this week.
Last year, Washington Post reporter Barton Gellman and Jo Baker, now of the New York Times, did an extensive series for the Post on Cheney. Now, Gellman has done some more digging, and published the result in a book he released this week: Angler: The Cheney Vice Presidency. The book reveals a lie told to a high-ranking fellow Republican, and the difference that lie made. In this column, I'll explain how Cheney defied the separation of powers, and go back to the founding history to show why actions like his matter so profoundly.
Cheney's Bold Face Lie To Congress
According to Gellman (and to paraphrase from the Post story on his finding), in the run-up to the war in Iraq, the White House was worried about the stance of Republican Majority Leader Richard Armey of Texas, who had deep concerns about going to war with Saddam Hussein. According to the Post, Armey met with Cheney for a highly classified, one-on-on briefing, in Room H-208, Cheney's luxurious hideaway office on the House side of the Capitol.
During this meeting, the Post reports, Cheney turned Armey around on the war issue. Cheney did so by telling the House Majority Leader that he was giving him information that the Administration could not tell the public -- namely (according to Armey), that Iraq had the "'ability to miniaturize weapons of mass destruction, particularly nuclear,' which had been 'substantially refined since the first Gulf War,' and would soon result in 'packages that could be moved even by ground personnel.' In addition, Cheney linked that threat to Saddam's alleged personal ties to al Qaeda, explaining that 'we now know they have the ability to develop these weapons in a very portable fashion, and they have a delivery system in their relationship with organizations such as al Qaeda.'"
The Post story continues, "Armey has asked: "Did Dick Cheney ... purposely tell me things he knew to be untrue?" His answer: "I seriously feel that may be the case...Had I known or believed then what I believe now, I would have publicly opposed [the war] resolution right to the bitter end, and I believe I might have stopped it from happening."
In short, it was this lie that sealed the nation's fate, and sent us to war in Iraq. By lying to such an influential figure in Congress, Cheney not only may have changed the course of history, but also corrupted the separation of powers with their inherent checks and balances.
Cheney's monumental dishonesty, the news of which has been buried under the current meltdown of the nation's economy, did not strike me as a topic for a Constitution Day speech. But a realistic discussion of the working of the separations of powers did seem a fitting topic, for college students need to understand the basics of our system. After we remind ourselves of those basics, Cheney's great lie can be viewed not only as a great immorality and violation of the criminal code, but also and more fundamentally as the significant breach of his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution that it is.
Our Constitutional Separation of Powers
Historians, not to mention contemporary historical documents, establish that no issue was more important to the founders of our national government than that of what its structure should be. Accordingly, in anticipation of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia during the summer of 1787, James Madison of Virginia plowed through historical accounts of governments and concluded that there are three basic forms of government: monarchy (the one), oligarchy (an elite few) and democracy (the many). Each form, however, had serious drawbacks.
As a result, Madison sought to take the best of each to create a "republic" - as had been done in varying degrees with many of the American colonies. Republics, of course, had been around a long time, for they were the forms employed by the Greeks and Romans. Thus, the republic was a form of government those who were meeting in Philadelphia well understood, in which sovereignty resides with the people who elect agents to represent them in the political decision-making process.
Madison's republic combined elements of each type of government, in a mixing of forms. It featured an executive who incorporated the strength of monarchy without the evils of a King; a Senate that embodied the wisdom of an oligarchy; and a House that balanced the self-interest of such elites with a throng of representatives who spoke for the people of the nation.
Many delegates at the founding convention were mistrustful of a pure democracy since none had worked well in the past; moreover, the country was too large and diverse to directly involve everyone. Later, Madison nicely explained the differences in Federalist No. 14: "[I]n a democracy, the people meet and exercise the government in person; in a republic they assemble and administer it by their representatives and agents. A democracy consequently will be confined to a small spot. A republic may be extended over a large region."
Most importantly, Madison's structure had three separate branches of the government - legislative, executive and judicial -- and each branch was empowered to check and balance the others, and thereby diffuse power.
Madison's system, however, has not worked as designed even in the best of times, not to mention when there is an all-powerful Vice President hell-bent on gaming the system.
The Reality of Separation of Powers
An article in the June 2006 Harvard Law Journal -- Daryl J. Levinson and Richard H. Pildes, "Separation of Parties, Not Powers," Harvard Law Journal (Jun. 2006) 2311 -- provides one of the better analyses out there of the real-world workings of the separation of powers, and their accompanying checks and balances. Professors Levinson and Pildes argue that Madison's vision of separation of powers has, in fact, been trumped in America by political parties. Their point is well taken, but as I see it their conclusion is far more applicable to the Republicans than the Democrats.
"The success of American democracy overwhelmed the Madisonian conception of separation of powers almost from the outset, preempting the political dynamics that were supposed to provide each branch with a 'will of its own' that would propel departmental '[a]mbition ... to counteract ambition'," Levinson and Pildes explain. This, in turn, they argue, made the underlying theory of the government - separation of powers - largely "anachronistic."
When they looked at government, however, they found that when different political parties control the different branches - creating a divided government - then the parties working through those branches still do operate as Madison had hoped. Why? By sifting through the work of noted political scientists, Levinson and Pildes have concluded that it is not on behalf of protecting the institutional powers that the checking and balancing occurs; rather, it is through the influence of party politics operating through that divided branch.
I believe, based on the record (and as someone who worked on the Hill when Democrats controlled both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue) that Levinson and Pildes have it half right.
Democrats under unified government (i.e., when Democrats control both Congress and the White House) have been remarkably institutionally-minded, and the separation of powers has remained viable. On the other hand, conservative Republicans - as I have explained in my book Broken Government (just out in paperback too) - easily place party loyalty before the responsibilities of the governmental institution in which they serve. The first six years of the Bush/Cheney Administration, for example, were a travesty in Republican denial of institutional responsibilities. In contrast, there is a long list of Democratic House and Senate Chairmen who have a on-going history of refusing to be the rubber-stamps of Democratic Presidents.
For instance, unlike in the situation where Cheney lied to former Majority Leader Armey, when both the Democratic House and Senate suspected that President Lyndon Johnson had lied to them about the incident(s) in the Gulf of Tonkin that provoked Congress to authorize the war in Viet Nam, they took action. In contrast, Republicans have not acted on Cheney's lie to Armey - and surely Washington Post reporter Barton Gellman is not the first person to learn about this lie.
Why Cheney Is Not Likely To Be Held Accountable
Those of us who follow these matters have long known - and I have written before - that it is Dick Cheney who is molding his hapless and naive president to his will, by effecting endless expansions of Presidential powers, and acting upon Cheney's total disregard of the separation of powers.
Cheney does not seem to believe the Constitution applies to "real leaders," who do whatever they believe they must do. Nor does he believe in the separation of powers. Indeed, Cheney absurdly claims he is himself part of the Legislative Branch because he is the presiding officer of the Senate - though, in practice, that position exists only to break tie votes. It has long been clear that Cheney has been corruptly bridging the constitutional separation of powers throughout the Bush/Cheney presidency.
If Armey is right, Dick Cheney has not only behaved improperly, but also criminally: In addition, when lying to Armey, Cheney clearly committed a "high crime or misdemeanor" in his blocking the Constitution's checks and balances from stopping our march into Iraq. During the debates that took place during the Constitution's ratification conventions, it was specifically stated that lying to Congress about matters of war would be an impeachable offense. Congress has also made it a crime.
Nonetheless, nothing is likely to happen to Cheney, for Congress is too busy dealing with the disastrous economy that he and Bush are leaving behind as they head for the door. No one seems inclined to hold Cheney responsible, and he appears totally unconcerned about the wrath of history. Yet in lying even to those in his own party, about reasons to go to war, he has sunk to a low level few have reached, and it is no hyperbole to call his actions treasonous to the structure and spirit of the Republic.
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Show AllSo, while you third-party voters send your "message" to the democratic party, the McCain group gets "elected", attacks Iran and the Mideast explodes into full-fledge war---hundreds of thousands of dead, innocent, people filling mass graves. Sounds like a well thought out plan.
Do you think Al Gore would've taken us to war in Iraq? I don't. And that war alone has resulted in one million dead Iraqis who did nothing at all to deserve that fate.
Do you think Al Gore would've filled the courts with right-wingers? I don't. And look where our civil liberties are going.
Do you think Al Gore would stop all government regulation, and put industry cronies in charge of every government department? I don't. And look what's happened to the economy and the environment these last 8 years.
Do you think Al Gore would've been asleep while terrorists were known to be plotting to attack us here? I don't. And look what happened on 9-11; and all the crap that's stemmed from that---patriot act, guantanamo, rendition, torture...
This is not a question of political parties---it's a question of the PERSON who will lead this country. And I can't believe that any true progressive has any doubt that Obama will be a better leader than McCain.
And if you're voting for Nader or McKinney because you believe that they can really win, then your not looking at the reality of party politics in America today. There are 42 million registered democrats and 30-something million republicans---with huge organizations in each state, and tons of money. No third party candidate will come close. Even a BILLIONAIRE like Ross Perot was only able to get a few percentage points of the vote.
So, if you vote for a third party candidate, just try to realize that votes do have consequences beyond sending "messages". I respect anyone who votes their conscience. I just wonder how their conscience deals with the question of Iraq---not to mention all the other Bush disasters.
Well put.
You make your point about the candidates very well. I would offer a couple of observations.
First, Perot received almost 20% of the vote in '92. Why did he do so much better than third-party candidates can today? He had access to the mainstream media and was included in the debates.
Second, when discussing the value of a vote in the presidential election, one needs to remember that the states elect the president, not the people.
Yes, the Dems have the numbers over the republicans right now but the GOP knows that it can cut down that advantage with voter disenfranchisement, control of the mainstream media, and the voting machines.
q
"First, Perot received almost 20% of the vote in '92. Why did he do so much better than third-party candidates can today? He had access to the mainstream media and was included in the debate"
Yes, AND he had access to billions of dollars...
Same thing that has been said over and over again... the thing you most desperately want to ignore... the thing that will never go away:
Democrats have enabled and have complicity engaged to validate Republicans at every step of the way during last eight years. Do you for one minute believe that CheneyOilCo could have pulled this crap off without the express direct assistance of the Democratic Party? To believe so is delusion.
To insist that I believe Democrats have been in real opposition, is wishful thinking on your part. Take your little slice of finger-pointing fear and do a 180 degree spin... then try looking at those Democrats who have insured that the reality we face today, evolved over the last eight years unchallenged.
Don't blame those of us who have the courage to stand up and say ENOUGH!
You demand compliant affirmation of your own crimes from those of us who do not want to be complicit. Screw "The Party". It's time to put an end to criminality designed by both Republicans and Democrats in concert.
YOU are the problem.
Once again, we have someone trying to deflect responsibility for our current mess away from the republicans who have been the prime movers in its creation.
By your logic, if I walk into a crowded room and blow someone's brains out with a pistol, the killing isn't my fault. The blame lies with everyone else for failing to stop me.
q
Why did the Democrats provide you with the bullets?
And then why did the Democrats continue to buy you bullets, even after you had started killing people?
And why did the Democrats say that you would never be arrested for murder, because it would be a waste of everyone's time?
Why? Why?
Pervasive fear pumped up by color-coded neofascist. And fear of losing control of congress.
So let's blame all that on Obama!
I don't revere or have faith in the democratic party. I realize that they have capitulated and that they're far too beholden to the corporations. But I don't think it's as simple as that either. Politics has and is playing a part in funding the war and impeachment. Politics, as in getting elected, keeping a majority in both houses, and increasing the size of that majority. I think the democratic party HAS put it's self-interest before the constitution. I think the party leaders believe that cutting off war funding or impeaching will result in their losing control of both houses.
What I don't believe is that we should hold Obama accountable for every mistake the democratic party has made.
This is the same party that has been high-jacked by conservative blue-dogs and Clinton- DLC types. Are we going to say that Obama is responsible for that?
Toast
Excellent point. But unfortunately, the Democrats have been doing this for at least the last sixty years, if not earlier. This book is highly recommended as validation for what I have written.
http://www.amazon.com/Savage-Mules-Democrats-Endless-War/dp/1844672654
madcow wrote: "Even a BILLIONAIRE like Ross Perot was only able to get a few percentage points of the vote."
1992 U.S. Presidential Election
18.8% is "only a few percentage points"? It's over half what the incumbent president received and 44% of what the winner had.
Besides, if you truly believe people should vote for the "person who will lead the country" and it's not a question of political parties, then how can you fault those who vote for the person of their choice (who may happen to be running as a third-party candidate) instead of the party of your choice? Third party voters likely delivered Bill Clinton both of his terms (he never secured an actual majority)-- was that a bad thing in your opinion?
I stand corrected on the "few percentage points". He had billions of dollars to get his 19%, and no third party candidate has that now.
And yes, I think that in retrospect it was a bad thing to have Clinton in there. His centrism and trianglulation did real harm to progressives, and to the democratic party.
And I shouldn't have said it's NOT a question of political parties---I meant that it's MORE THAN JUST a question of political parties.
You forget that the US Supreme Court illegally gave the election to Mr. Bush. And that the Republicans cheated on the elections using electronic vote fraud.
So what are you so hysterical about currently free people expressing themselves?
Do you really think they aren't going to steal another election? Our vote doesn't count. The poll numbers are too close to be real. They are just greasing us up.
So I am going to vote for the person I want to be president, Nader. It really won't make a difference anyway and I will feel like I voted for the best person running. Maybe my vote will be counted then.
Let's see, since our vote doesn't count you're going to vote.
No, that's not quite it.
Since our vote doesn't count you're going to vote for someone who can't win because then it won't matter if your vote isn't counted.
No.
Okay, I think I finally get it.
You're going to make sure your vote is counted because you figure they'll count the votes that don't matter because your candidate can't possibly win. Votes that don't effect the outcome will be counted.
Brilliant.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
I'll not vote for the candidate of their choice
but I'll vote for the candidate of MY choice.
It's not easy being Green but we must start somewhere.
Not too long ago, in most totalitarian countries, voting was a charade. The outcome was determined prior to any election. The election was merely a mask... a pretense at democracy. Those in power refused to share ideological space with others who believed in alternatives to the dictates of the regime. Certainly there may have been power struggles within the controlling party, but they were minor and there was no real deviance from party line between anyone in "the party".
And most importantly, there was no choice NOT to vote. You voted to affirm the rule... that was THE rule.
If you haven't noticed of late, the only real discernable difference, is that we in the US are subjected to a year of so of propaganda that is designed to make us believe that there is a difference between the rule of "The Party" in the US... and that of yesterday's totalitarian regimes.
It's all a lie.
The one difference that remains... the only difference... is that we can still refuse to vote. We can say NO to this sick side-show masquerade that The Party has made out of the democratic governance that once made this country great.
Don't believe me? Take one look at the mess we have made of this country in the last three decades. I am NOT a Democrat. I am NOT a Republican. I do not agree with your political philosophy... and it is *one* philosophy that you agree upon.
There is so little difference between the two it's worse than disgraceful... it's criminal. You both serve corporate masters. You act in tandem to prevent any challenge to that reality. You exclude all others from meaningful participation.
Don't point your finger at me. You are cowards and traitors to the people who installed you into power. Your greed has ruined this country and most of the world with it.
VOTE! It's the new US lie.
I will not validate you. I will opt for the only free choice that remains for me.
Oh yeah... an I WILL continue to fight your domination.
"Take one look at the mess we have made of this country in the last three decades."
So, by your argument, if no one had voted for the past thiry years then everything would be OK now?
q
your inability to reach logical conclusions is paramount in your posts.
No, actually, q made 'toast' of your argument.
I recognize can children
Why can't I have some, why, why why???
The answer is no.
Okay... just for you ctrl-duh... I will vote for Obama when the WTO schedules another meeting in Seattle. Think that will be any time soon?
Ooops. Burnt toast. Let's argue about it.
If you think your vote counts; than the donkey/elephant show was a success!
It's main purpose is to keep us thinking that OUR VOTE COUNTS!
You think the government is totalitarian and voting is a farce and your response is to not vote?
Glad you didn't have a say at the Constitutional Convention.
There's a reason why only half of eligible voters bother to vote in America and why we're ridiculed around the world for our lack of democratic participation. The "no difference" argument is a big part of that reason.
I look at it as more of a right to left continuum. On the far right we have the evangelical-neofascist authoritarian nut-jobs; and on the far left we have the anarchist- socialist. I will always vote for the candidate who has a the best chance of getting elected, who is the farthest from the right-wing fascist, no matter what party he or she is in.
If I thought Nader had a chance, I'd vote for him.
Undone
Excellent decision. I have never understood the rationalization of the Obama fans that voting for the lesser of two evils such as Obama is somehow justifiable.
Excellent! What a brilliant explanation of how the legislative branch failed to counter the executive branch 2000 to 2006. Now we need to analyze the failure from 2006 to 2008 (when Democrats had some legislative control). My guess is that it will go back to the failure to account for lobbyists, or their pervasive influence between parties. I really like this analysis as a starting point to figure out how we've gone so very wrong.
Madcow
What you seem to be ignoring is that the Democratic party, which you seem to have such faith in, has refused, as Dean points out in his article, to hold Cheney and Bush accountable by calling for their impeachment. You talk about the war in Iraq [one should also throw in the illegal occupation of Afghanistan] while again ignoring the fact that the Democrats, which you revere so highly, continue to fund the occupations of those two disasters which have now become the responsibility of the Democrats. This all leads one to justifiably believe that the Democrats and the Republicans, as Gore Vidal has pointed out, are simply two sides of the same coin.
Erroll, just in case you missed it:
"Democrats under unified government (i.e., when Democrats control both Congress and the White House) have been remarkably institutionally-minded, and the separation of powers has remained viable. On the other hand, conservative Republicans - as I have explained in my book Broken Government (just out in paperback too) - easily place party loyalty before the responsibilities of the governmental institution in which they serve. The first six years of the Bush/Cheney Administration, for example, were a travesty in Republican denial of institutional responsibilities. In contrast, there is a long list of Democratic House and Senate Chairmen who have a on-going history of refusing to be the rubber-stamps of Democratic Presidents.
For instance, unlike in the situation where Cheney lied to former Majority Leader Armey, when both the Democratic House and Senate suspected that President Lyndon Johnson had lied to them about the incident(s) in the Gulf of Tonkin that provoked Congress to authorize the war in Viet Nam, they took action. In contrast, Republicans have not acted on Cheney's lie to Armey - and surely Washington Post reporter Barton Gellman is not the first person to learn about this lie."
I fail to see how these statements are somehow supposed to obviate what I had written which is that the Democrats, under Nancy Pelosi, have declared impeachment to be off the table, despite the fact that this is one of the most criminal administrations in this country's history and that the Democrats have time and again voted to fund the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, thus insuring that more innocent Afghans and Iraqis will end up being slaughtered by American bombs and bullets, all because the Democrats have continued to fund the unnecessary and unjustified occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet liberals continue to have this blind faith that the Democrats will somehow do the right thing, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Here we go again. It's all the Dems fault!
I guess we're going to see at least 100 posts a day from the trolls on this website trying to place the primary responsibility for Bush and Cheney's sins on the Democrats.
What those who have decided to vote for Obama realize is that the Democrats - even with all of their faults - MAY do the right thing. The republicans never will.
q
One simply stands back in awe at the Obama fans who believe, as quickstepper acknowledges, that Obama "MAY do the right thing." They cannot say why they believe this only that, to use one of Obama's favorite words, they hope that Obama "may do the right thing." There are many people who hope that they win the lottery but that does not mean that that will happen. It would be nice if faith could move mountains but in the real world one should finally realize that Obama is nothing but a corporately owned, militaristic candidate who has done an excellent job in convincing his fans that he is an [alleged] agent of hope and change, despite all evidence to the contrary.
". . . that Obama is nothing but a corporately owned, militaristic candidate who has done an excellent job in convincing his fans that he is an [alleged] agent of hope and change, despite all evidence to the contrary."
This statement is more true of McCain than Obama. McCain is more dependent on corporate money and certainly more aligned with the military than Obama.
q
Excellent job of deflecting the fact that Obama, the alleged man of the people, is backed by the biggest [or what used to be the biggest] names on Wall Street such as Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, J P Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse, as well as the huge hedge fund Citadel Investment Group. Investigator Pam Martens points out that "Seven of the Obama campaign's top 14 donors consisted of officers and employees of the same Wall Street firms charged time and again with looting the public and newly implicated in originating and/or bundling fraudulently made mortgages." One gets the feeling that this [alleged] fiery populist will not be quoting the words of Pam Martens anytime soon in his stump speeches. As independent film maker and progressive writer John Pilger notes, "A report by United for a Fair Economy, a non-profit group, estimates the total loss to poor Americans of colour who took out sub-prime loans as being between $164 billion and #213 billion: the greatest loss of wealth ever recorded for people of colour in the United States.
Last January, Obama declared that "Washington lobbyists haven't funded my campaign, they won't run my White House and they will not drown out the voices of working Americans when I am president." Obama's rhetoric rings false when one discovers that the Centre for Responsive Politics has found out that the top five contributors to the Obama campaign are registered corporate lobbyists.
Regarding Obama's militarism, liberals, justifiably, take great umbrage at McCain's desire to add more troops into Iraq but yet remain silent when it is revealed that Obama wishes to add more troops to Afghanistan, approximately two to three brigades, which would undoubtedly contribute to even more innocent Afghan civilians and children being ripped apart by 500 lb. and 2000 lb. American bombs. Not exactly the best way to win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people, now is it? Americans and delusional liberals laud Obama's phased [as opposed to immediate] withdrawal plan of troops from Iraq while glossing over the fact that the [alleged] antiwar candidate wishes to leave approximately 100,000 U.S. troops in Iraq as well as approximately 100,000 civilian contractors such as Blackwater. Not exactly the best way to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis nor is it the best way to prevent more American deaths, now is it?
All this simply demonstrates that while McCain may be more blatant in his corporatism and militarism Obama's brand of corporate connections and militarism could be seen as being much more pernicious and hypocritical since he and his followers' claim that Obama is an antiwar candidate and a man of the people comes across as being quite false indeed.
Figures lie and liars figure.
You wrote:
"Obama's rhetoric rings false when one discovers that the Centre for Responsive Politics has found out that the top five contributors to the Obama campaign are registered corporate lobbyists."
I went to your source, the Center for Responsive Politics (www.opensecrets.org) and found your statement to be totally untrue:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638
Top Contributors to Barack Obama
"This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2008 election cycle. The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.
Because of contribution limits, organizations that bundle together many individual contributions are often among the top donors to presidential candidates. These contributions can come from the organization's members or employees (and their families). The organization may support one candidate, or hedge its bets by supporting multiple candidates. Groups with national networks of donors - like EMILY's List and Club for Growth - make for particularly big bundlers."
"Goldman Sachs $691,930
University of California $611,207
Citigroup Inc $448,599
JPMorgan Chase & Co $442,919
Harvard University $435,769
Google Inc $420,174
UBS AG $404,750
National Amusements Inc $389,140
Microsoft Corp $377,235
Lehman Brothers $370,524
Sidley Austin LLP $350,302
Moveon.org $347,463
Skadden, Arps et al $340,264
Time Warner $338,527
Wilmerhale Llp $335,398
Morgan Stanley $318,070
Latham & Watkins $297,400
Jones Day $289,476
University of Chicago $278,885
Stanford University $276,038"
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638
Here's opensecrets.org's summary about Obama's fundraising:
"2008 boosted Obama into the position of the most successful presidential fundraiser ever, in addition to this election's presumptive Democratic nominee. He's had no problem bringing in the money or appealing to new donors, and has relied on small online donors and bigger donors nearly equally, which he'll continue to do in months to come. He's also turning to Hillary Clinton's donors—and her bundlers—and asking them for their financial support. In November he'll face Republican John McCain, who has indicated he’ll accept public financing in the general election, while Obama has opted out of the system. He's the first major-party candidate since the system was created to decline taxpayers' money for the general election."
So, Error-ll, the next time you want to attack Obama, maybe you should provide some quotes and links, cause you don't summarize facts well. I think you misinterpreted an article about bundlers and mischaracterized how it related to Obama's overall contributions.
And that's the polite way of saying it.
Did you actually bother reading what I wrote and what you had written? As Pam Martens wrote, and as John Pilger's article makes clear, "Seven of the Obama campaign's top 14 donors..." were bundled which is exactly what opensecrets.org has said. As Pilger's article also states, "Obama is backed by the biggest Wall Street firms and then proceeds to list those corporations that Obama, that alleged populist, has taken money from. As I said on another post, you will score very few points for your side when you engage in such juvenile ad hominem attacks.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/31/9327/
You wrote:
"Last January, Obama declared that "Washington lobbyists haven't funded my campaign, they won't run my White House and they will not drown out the voices of working Americans when I am president." Obama's rhetoric rings false when one discovers that the Centre for Responsive Politics has found out that the top five contributors to the Obama campaign are registered corporate lobbyists."
Error-ll, apparently you can't even quote yourself correctly.
You got caught. Deal with it.
Again, I have no idea what you are talking about. If you had actually bothered reading John Pilger's article, you would have discovered that I wrote that he had cited the Centre for Responsive Politics which again stated that "the top five contributors to the Obama campaign are registered corporate lobbyists". I think that your anger at me is misdirected since it would appear that you, like so many Obamamaniacs, do not wish to acknowledge that your candidate does not hesitate to take money from the big corporations. As Pilger correctly notes, "By offering a 'new', young and apparently progressive face of the Democratic Party-with the bonus of being a member of the black elite-he {Obama] can blunt and divert real opposition."
To use one of your tired cliches, try dealing with the fact that you have been once again exploited and used by another alleged savior of the Democratic Party who has conned Americans and liberals into believing that his corporate, militant rhetoric has been dressed up into the more soothing and deceiving sound bites of hope and change.
Do you realize that all the corporate bundlers listed on the website amount to 4% of Obama's total? And, they're NOT lobbyists.
Gee Error-ll, are they gonna cut off your checks if you admit you screwed up?
Why don't you provide some links?
I don't revere or have faith in the democratic party. I realize that they have capitulated and that they're far too beholden to the corporations. But I don't think it's as simple as that either. Politics has and is playing a part in funding the war and impeachment. Politics, as in getting elected, keeping a majority in both houses, and increasing the size of that majority. I think the democratic party HAS put it's self-interest before the constitution. I think the party leaders believe that cutting off war funding or impeaching will result in their losing control of both houses.
What I don't believe is that we should hold Obama accountable for every mistake the democratic party has made.
This is the same party that has been high-jacked by conservative blue-dogs and Clinton- DLC types. Are we going to say that Obama is responsible for that?
Al Gore along with his chief Bill Clinton were ALREADY waging war--genocide actually--against Iraq, and it was THEIR policy of regime change that Bush acted on.
So enough of your BS history.
Karlof1
Good point.
Clinton was the boss on that one... Not Al Gore.
". . . it was THEIR policy of regime change that Bush acted on."
Sorry, dude, but this statement is not quite true. The bill that Clinton signed in 1998 simply provided assistance to the Iraqi opposition. Nowhere did it call for an invasion of Iraq by the US military.
Of course Bush is going to try to place responsibility for the greatest foreign policy fuckup in US history on someone else.
q
This seems to be an example of revisionist history since quickstepper has conveniently ignored Clinton's sanctions against Iraq, which killed anywhere from half a million to a million Iraqis. Clinton also launched Tomahawk missiles into civilian neighborhoods, creating "collateral damage". Or should these actions by Clinton be excused because they were done by a neoliberal Democrat?
I ignored nothing. I simply pointed out that Bush's assault on Iraq did not have justification in the bill Clinton signed in 1998.
The only Tomahawk missile attack launched under Clinton's orders was the one made in retaliation for the attempt on Bush 41's life. Three people were killed (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/iraq/timeline/062793.htm).
The claim of strikes in residential neighborhoods came only from Saddam's own sources.
Of course, the truth means nothing for you trolls. You're on this board solely for the purposes of lying and obfuscation.
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The Clinton regime, transition from Bush I to Bush II
"...Clinton bombed Iraq several times weekly for eight years...The strategy was to extensively bomb water purification facilities and power generating facilities with the explicit intention to spread diseases that would affect children. The idea was to pressure ordinary Iraqis to overthrow Saddam, with the knowledge that if they did so, the pedicide would cease. But the Iraqis blamed Washington for this catastrophe, not Saddam. When Saddam offered to accede to Clinton's requirements for ending the bombing, Clinton abruptly replied that no possible concessions on Saddam's part would lead him to end the bombings/sanctions.".....FROM: "The Threat of U.S. Fascism: An Historical Precedent" by Alan Nassar, COMMON DREAMS, August 2, 2007.
... a lovely way to aid the Iraqi opposition...and a wonderful example of cooperation between fascist neocon globalists and fascist neoliberal globalists
Thanks Mr. Chips
We seem to have a short memory here.