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The Making of the American 99% And the Collapse of the Middle Class
“Class happens when some men, as a result of common experiences (inherited or shared), feel and articulate the identity of their interests as between themselves, and as against other men whose interests are different from (and usually opposed to) theirs.”
-- E.P. Thompson, The Making of the English Working Class
The “other men” (and of course women) in the current American class alignment are those in the top 1% of the wealth distribution -- the bankers, hedge-fund managers, and CEOs targeted by the Occupy Wall Street movement. They have been around for a long time in one form or another, but they only began to emerge as a distinct and visible group, informally called the “super-rich,” in recent years.
Extravagant levels of consumption helped draw attention to them: private jets, multiple 50,000 square-foot mansions, $25,000 chocolate desserts embellished with gold dust. But as long as the middle class could still muster the credit for college tuition and occasional home improvements, it seemed churlish to complain. Then came the financial crash of 2007-2008, followed by the Great Recession, and the 1% to whom we had entrusted our pensions, our economy, and our political system stood revealed as a band of feckless, greedy narcissists, and possibly sociopaths.
Still, until a few months ago, the 99% was hardly a group capable of (as Thompson says) articulating “the identity of their interests.” It contained, and still contains, most “ordinary” rich people, along with middle-class professionals, factory workers, truck drivers, and miners, as well as the much poorer people who clean the houses, manicure the fingernails, and maintain the lawns of the affluent.
It was divided not only by these class differences, but most visibly by race and ethnicity -- a division that has actually deepened since 2008. African-Americans and Latinos of all income levels disproportionately lost their homes to foreclosure in 2007 and 2008, and then disproportionately lost their jobs in the wave of layoffs that followed. On the eve of the Occupy movement, the black middle class had been devastated. In fact, the only political movements to have come out of the 99% before Occupy emerged were the Tea Party movement and, on the other side of the political spectrum, the resistance to restrictions on collective bargaining in Wisconsin.
But Occupy could not have happened if large swaths of the 99% had not begun to discover some common interests, or at least to put aside some of the divisions among themselves. For decades, the most stridently promoted division within the 99% was the one between what the right calls the “liberal elite” -- composed of academics, journalists, media figures, etc. -- and pretty much everyone else.
As Harper’s Magazine columnist Tom Frank has brilliantly explained, the right earned its spurious claim to populism by targeting that “liberal elite,” which supposedly favors reckless government spending that requires oppressive levels of taxes, supports “redistributive” social policies and programs that reduce opportunity for the white middle class, creates ever more regulations (to, for instance, protect the environment) that reduce jobs for the working class, and promotes kinky countercultural innovations like gay marriage. The liberal elite, insisted conservative intellectuals, looked down on “ordinary” middle- and working-class Americans, finding them tasteless and politically incorrect. The “elite” was the enemy, while the super-rich were just like everyone else, only more “focused” and perhaps a bit better connected.
Of course, the “liberal elite” never made any sociological sense. Not all academics or media figures are liberal (Newt Gingrich, George Will, Rupert Murdoch). Many well-educated middle managers and highly trained engineers may favor latte over Red Bull, but they were never targets of the right. And how could trial lawyers be members of the nefarious elite, while their spouses in corporate law firms were not?
A Greased Chute, Not a Safety Net
“Liberal elite” was always a political category masquerading as a sociological one. What gave the idea of a liberal elite some traction, though, at least for a while, was that the great majority of us have never knowingly encountered a member of the actual elite, the 1% who are, for the most part, sealed off in their own bubble of private planes, gated communities, and walled estates.
The authority figures most people are likely to encounter in their daily lives are teachers, doctors, social workers, and professors. These groups (along with middle managers and other white-collar corporate employees) occupy a much lower position in the class hierarchy. They made up what we described in a 1976 essay as the “professional managerial class.” As we wrote at the time, on the basis of our experience of the radical movements of the 1960s and 1970s, there have been real, longstanding resentments between the working-class and middle-class professionals. These resentments, which the populist right cleverly deflected toward “liberals,” contributed significantly to that previous era of rebellion’s failure to build a lasting progressive movement.
As it happened, the idea of the “liberal elite” could not survive the depredations of the 1% in the late 2000s. For one thing, it was summarily eclipsed by the discovery of the actual Wall Street-based elite and their crimes. Compared to them, professionals and managers, no matter how annoying, were pikers. The doctor or school principal might be overbearing, the professor and the social worker might be condescending, but only the 1% took your house away.
There was, as well, another inescapable problem embedded in the right-wing populist strategy: even by 2000, and certainly by 2010, the class of people who might qualify as part of the “liberal elite” was in increasingly bad repair. Public-sector budget cuts and corporate-inspired reorganizations were decimating the ranks of decently paid academics, who were being replaced by adjunct professors working on bare subsistence incomes. Media firms were shrinking their newsrooms and editorial budgets. Law firms had started outsourcing their more routine tasks to India. Hospitals beamed X-rays to cheap foreign radiologists. Funding had dried up for nonprofit ventures in the arts and public service. Hence the iconic figure of the Occupy movement: the college graduate with tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debts and a job paying about $10 a hour, or no job at all.
These trends were in place even before the financial crash hit, but it took the crash and its grim economic aftermath to awaken the 99% to a widespread awareness of shared danger. In 2008, “Joe the Plumber’s” intention to earn a quarter-million dollars a year still had some faint sense of plausibility. A couple of years into the recession, however, sudden downward mobility had become the mainstream American experience, and even some of the most reliably neoliberal media pundits were beginning to announce that something had gone awry with the American dream.
Once-affluent people lost their nest eggs as housing prices dropped off cliffs. Laid-off middle-aged managers and professionals were staggered to find that their age made them repulsive to potential employers. Medical debts plunged middle-class households into bankruptcy. The old conservative dictum -- that it was unwise to criticize (or tax) the rich because you might yourself be one of them someday -- gave way to a new realization that the class you were most likely to migrate into wasn’t the rich, but the poor.
And here was another thing many in the middle class were discovering: the downward plunge into poverty could occur with dizzying speed. One reason the concept of an economic 99% first took root in America rather than, say, Ireland or Spain is that Americans are particularly vulnerable to economic dislocation. We have little in the way of a welfare state to stop a family or an individual in free-fall. Unemployment benefits do not last more than six months or a year, though in a recession they are sometimes extended by Congress. At present, even with such an extension, they reach only about half the jobless. Welfare was all but abolished 15 years ago, and health insurance has traditionally been linked to employment.
In fact, once an American starts to slip downward, a variety of forces kick in to help accelerate the slide. An estimated 60% of American firms now check applicants' credit ratings, and discrimination against the unemployed is widespread enough to have begun to warrant Congressional concern. Even bankruptcy is a prohibitively expensive, often crushingly difficult status to achieve. Failure to pay government-imposed fines or fees can even lead, through a concatenation of unlucky breaks, to an arrest warrant or a criminal record. Where other once-wealthy nations have a safety net, America offers a greased chute, leading down to destitution with alarming speed.
Making Sense of the 99%
The Occupation encampments that enlivened approximately 1,400 cities this fall provided a vivid template for the 99%’s growing sense of unity. Here were thousands of people -- we may never know the exact numbers -- from all walks of life, living outdoors in the streets and parks, very much as the poorest of the poor have always lived: without electricity, heat, water, or toilets. In the process, they managed to create self-governing communities.
General assembly meetings brought together an unprecedented mix of recent college graduates, young professionals, elderly people, laid-off blue-collar workers, and plenty of the chronically homeless for what were, for the most part, constructive and civil exchanges. What started as a diffuse protest against economic injustice became a vast experiment in class building. The 99%, which might have seemed to be a purely aspirational category just a few months ago, began to will itself into existence.
Can the unity cultivated in the encampments survive as the Occupy movement evolves into a more decentralized phase? All sorts of class, racial, and cultural divisions persist within that 99%, including distrust between members of the former “liberal elite” and those less privileged. It would be surprising if they didn’t. The life experience of a young lawyer or a social worker is very different from that of a blue-collar worker whose work may rarely allow for biological necessities like meal or bathroom breaks. Drum circles, consensus decision-making, and masks remain exotic to at least the 90%. “Middle class” prejudice against the homeless, fanned by decades of right-wing demonization of the poor, retains much of its grip.
Sometimes these differences led to conflict in Occupy encampments -- for example, over the role of the chronically homeless in Portland or the use of marijuana in Los Angeles -- but amazingly, despite all the official warnings about health and safety threats, there was no “Altamont moment”: no major fires and hardly any violence. In fact, the encampments engendered almost unthinkable convergences: people from comfortable backgrounds learning about street survival from the homeless, a distinguished professor of political science discussing horizontal versus vertical decision-making with a postal worker, military men in dress uniforms showing up to defend the occupiers from the police.
Class happens, as Thompson said, but it happens most decisively when people are prepared to nourish and build it. If the “99%” is to become more than a stylish meme, if it’s to become a force to change the world, eventually we will undoubtedly have to confront some of the class and racial divisions that lie within it. But we need to do so patiently, respectfully, and always with an eye to the next big action -- the next march, or building occupation, or foreclosure fight, as the situation demands.
This is a joint TomDispatch/Nation article and appears in print at the Nation magazine.
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Show AllI've always appreciated B. Ehrenreich and her long-term concerns about class and social justice. I have one bone to pick here, however, when she (or John) points out the demonizing of liberal elites. It's not the distortions put forth by the conservative media I'm contending, but rather the fact that there is actually a little truth to the myth of liberal elites. There is a certain proportion of professionals who may vote and talk a good game, but they still make their living catering to and supporting the top elite. I refuse to accept that this is done out of 'necessity', and I blame the careerism impulse for such hypocrisy. I feel this is why the Right was so successful in their charges: working people recognized this disconnect.
Lefties are going to have to be straight with themselves: if you want to truly be part of an equitable society, this means refusing to be part of the commisariat. It would mean giving up a good salary and not basing one's lifestyle on upmarket values. I'm talking about a small percent of professionals who are crucial figures in many private concerns (someone like Al Gore). These are the ones who serve power more than the public.
In other words, it means doing more than voting a certain way and championing the right causes...
In the 1920s, Julien Benda wrote a book whose English title is "The Treason of the Intellectuals." He was concerned with those who used their intellectual status to justify the actions of those in power. When I read it (in the 1960s) I was reminded of McGeorge Bundy and Henry Kissinger. Now I think of people such as Larry Summers, Robert Rubin, and the Harvard economist Mankiew (I've forgotten his first name, He worked for W.)
They certainly are not acting "out of necessity." It is either power or money or both.
it is important to recognize that was was all orchestrated. It was not the result of some "Perfect storm" of economic downturns.
All I need for evidence was the rush to revamp the Bankruptcy laws in the United States. At the time there was little to no need for such a revamp but they were pushed as being of the utmost urgency. The changes ensured that the middle class would find it much more onerous to escape their debts while at the same time allowing for the Corporations to much more easily discharge their own INCLUDING pensions and other such benefits they might have owed past employees.
Both political parties were on board with this. Couple this with those "welfare reforms" and the erosions of other Social programs and both parties uniting to ensure a system of health care for all never arose and it is clear to me that both political parties wanted to ensure that the Middle Class would vanish and become part of the politically powerless working poor.
Excellent post.
Go to thrivemovement.com and see how accurate the statement is. This was set up almost a decade ago. Woyld have happened sooner if the coup against ?Eisenhouer had happened.
Great site. Shows all the false flag and war deceptions.
Goes in to great detail of the bankers and the groups taking us to a NWO.
The "Thrive movement" is promoting extreme right wing politics on every issue. Shilling for commercial hustles here, under the guise of talking about politics, is deceptive and inappropriate.
“it is important to recognize that was all orchestrated. It was not the result of some "Perfect storm" of economic downturns.” They rigged the economy like the WTC. Credit Default Swaps were engineered to blow like thermite. How would one “shrink the govt down small enough to drown in a bathtub” (Grover Norquist, approximately). Fed yourself up a huge real estate bubble, make exploding interest loans to everybody and anybody, slice & dice mortgages and distribute them widely (like explosive charges) through the structures of finance that you want to take down, sell off your stake quickly and profitably, bet on what you just sold, to fail, and hang this all around the neck of the american taxpayer. The great Repression (“Recession, repression, it’s all the same thing.”-Cheech Marin & Tommy Chong) is an ongoing, engineered destruction, done by the same people, for the same reasons, as those who brought us 911. “What are we going to do today? The same thing we do every day, try to figure out how to rule the world!”-the Brain, from Pinky and the Brain. This is now a part of my permanent record, as is you reading this is a part of your permanent record. Good luck to all of us. If you have the time, google up and take a read of the Declaration of Independence. I find the parallels to our current predicament uncanny. “Be happy. It's one way of being wise.”-Sidonie Gabrielle Colette
I agree and realized this at a the time.
Another other telling indication of pre-planned economic collapse was the advancement of the police state in the 15 years precedeing the collapse of 2008. The police state grew quickly regardless of the party affiliation of the White House.
Also note that many of the designers of the 2008 Panic cut their eye teeth on the carcass of the USSR until Putin cleaned house.
Sometimes it takes the development of collective joy, as well as collective suffering, to create a movement. I strongly recommend Barbara's book "Dancing in the Streets" for an eye opener on how the empowerment of groups through celebration was taken away from us...and only then could the final economic impoverishment begin.
To quote another writer, Moly Ivins: "Keep fighting for freedom and justice, beloveds, but don't forget to have fun doin' it. Lord, let your laughter ring forth. Be outrageous, ridicule the fraidy cats, rejoice in all the oddities that freedom can produce."
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Actually I think that "...voting a certain way and championing the right causes..." would go a huge way towards acheiving a more equitable and just society. Just imagine how different America would be today if Nader were elected in 2000... or if millions took to the streets to protest the detention of Bradly Manning, Guantanamo, extrodinary rendition, homelessness, private healthcare and a host of other 'right causes'. Lots of true progressives that the right would dismiss as 'Liberal Elites' have been loyal and dedicated servants of the public interest every single day of their adult lives and those liberals receive far less attention in the MSM as their liberal-lite brethren. Just because a few liberals have stumbled along the way, (such as accepting a job at Coca Cola to support your family or voting for Obama in the last election) does not undermine Ehrenreich's message in the least.
I remember reading a group article by Barbra, Danny Glover, and Tom Hayden which CD picked up in the run up to the election of Obama. The article was petitioning the left to vote for Obama and the Democrats in 2008.
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Subsequently, the Democrats took control of both houses and the presidency notwithstanding the Democrats were willing and eager partners with the Republicans, who together embarked on dismantling programs on the poor and disenfranchised including social security, Medicaid, Medicare, home heating programs, and Head Start. And now voiding our due process rights.
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Given that the Democrats and Obama have been culpable with everything named in this piece including the evictions of OWS, it strikes me as entirely tanned with hypocrisy. Moreover, it is always an adventure in reading these themes which remind one of the theatre of the absurd. Reading former leftist’s decry unjust actions and norms while ignoring half the problem responsible for the conditions this article beautifully lays out.
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Are we now to believe that Obama and company will read this compelling piece and suddenly become the champion of the poor and middle classes because of it?
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The article seems to be saying in a backhanded way that the neo conservative agenda is so egregious (which it is) but somehow if we keep the gloves off of Obama, everything will right itself in the end. Yeah, keep wishing upon a star... Barbra...
Unless you're reading a different article than I am, nowhere in this one does Barbara (not "Barbra") say anything at all about Obama. She isn't saying vote for Obama, or keep the gloves off him or anything else you insinuate. You're reading into it what you want to be there. I don't know if she advocated voting for Obama in '08, but if so, she had plenty of company. It's a bit petty to still be blaming all the misguided progressives for voting for Obama, especially when they have no intention of doing so again. Trust me, Barbara Ehrenreich is every bit as leftist as you are. She isn't encouraging anyone to vote for Obama and the Democrats this time.
It's a bit petty to still be blaming all the misguided progressives for voting for Obama, especially when they have no intention of doing so again."
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Good to know, I am just wondering if you are privy to something the rest here are not? Did you come by that information by casting runes or from your tarot reader?
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"Trust me, Barbara Ehrenreich is every bit as leftist as you are. She isn't encouraging anyone to vote for Obama and the Democrats this time."
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Again, how do you know this is true unless you’re Ehrenreich? And since you don't know me, you have no basis to make such a judgment.
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Ehrenreich writes books. Books are made from paper. Paper is a product of trees. I would posit that no legitimate leftist would profit off of Mother Earth. Of course, these days’ people are free to characterize themselves any way they want to including Ehrenreich and her surrogates.
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Since we’ve butted heads numerous times before, I recognize your right to participate on this forum along with your interminable Democratic apologetic. You claim to speak for Ehrenreich’s voting habits and now predict how she will vote in the future. Too bad Ehrenreich cannot speak for herself.
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I think it goes to the heart of the dysfunctional debates on this forum. People who hold a liberal ideology can never get beyond the contradiction of their own lives married to corporate hegemony. Or in the case of Ehrenreich, her connections to faux progressives like Hayden and Glover and I assume numerous others not named. Glover is a millionaire who has earned his fortune off of the worst type of systemic oppression projected in numerous films advancing the myth of redemptive violence. Hayden ridiculous articles that appear in the Nation and whose latest piece defended Obama’s attempt to kill OWS.
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The article offers an analysis of the disenfranchisement of the poor and middle class by the 1%, so I suggest you go back and re read it.
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What the article does not offer (and in the case of Ehrenreich and her ilk) never does, is to link the oppression she writes about to the political system; except, and only. as it relates to neo conservatives.
The 2012 Presidential campaign is a bunch of murderous clowns on parade so far, with the possible exception of Ron Paul.
He seems the choice less cruel.
I have no more use for Ron than I do for Democrats or Republicans.
1 Paul is a Republican; so your statement is flawed.
2, Paul is anti-imperialist. There is no other candidate that can make that claim,
Do you have any use for anti-imperialism.
So you are a Republican then. Thanks for identifying yourself.
Ron Paul is not anti-imperialist. Don't kid yourself, and don't allow yourself to be duped.
Total privatization will not rein the empire in, it will unleash it as never before. The empire is not run by the government, it is run by the international corporations. That is where the power resides. The government officials are their lackeys.
Paul wants to get the government out of the way of the empire, get the government off the backs of those running the empire.
Stewart Alexander can make the claim as a candidate of being anti-imperialist, with far more credibility than Paul can, so it is not true that Paul is the only candidate about whom we can say this.
One thing we can say with absolute certainty - Paul is the ultimate anti-left candidate, anti-working class candidate.
I agree that Paul is anti-worker and anti-union, but he does pledge to cut tthe military budget and bring all US troops home. That's a pleasant change from the stultifying Bi-partisan National Security Consensus.
I don't find him anymore anti-Left than Obama or Romney, both fervent supporters of the corporate capitalsit state.
How will the corporations have an empire without the State and its military to enforce it?
Here is the article that started this non-sense when Brab was still writing for the Nation:
http://www.thenation.com/article/progressives-obama
this was extracted from the above article:
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"We can contribute our dollars. We have the proven online capacity to reach millions of swing voters in the primary and general election. We can and will defend Obama against negative attacks from any quarter. We will seek Green support against the claim of some that there are no real differences between Obama and McCain.
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Nicely stated Barb, and still your agenda although you can change 'McCain' to Newt Romney..
The Ehrenreich essay presents an omission. The authors forgot to mention the principal stockholders of the banks, the hedge funds, and the companies whose CEOs merit Occupy attention. Blaming the managers is not enough, even as the wealthiest among us prefer the invisibility of hiding behind the managers.
quote: 'The “other men” (and of course women) in the current American class alignment are those in the top 1% of the wealth distribution -- the bankers, hedge-fund managers, and CEOs targeted by the Occupy Wall Street movement. They have been around for a long time in one form or another, but they only began to emerge as a distinct and visible group, informally called the “super-rich,” in recent years.'
Some of the concepts voiced by the intellectual left, are simply childish. One percent of any group cannot "control" the group by themselves. They have the cooperation and assistance, of the manager class, and this group of respected professionals, is made up of those on the right and the left. Oppression is not justified by political affiliation.
First, you only need one of the four commas you used. Using too many commas, is, simply, childish. But your comment makes little or no sense in any case. The manager class isn't made up of anyone on the left. If there is a leftist manager anywhere, they're keeping their affinities to themselves. Your closing sentence is simply puzzling. What could it mean?
Hi Ephraim, The grammar lesson is appreciated. The smart ass wording, however is not. Any criticism of the left on this site, is sure to be met with personal invective. Do you feel better now that you have shamed me? You call my closing sentence puzzling, after you say," if there is a leftist manager anywhere, they're keeping their affinities to themselves." I guess one good puzzle deserves another.
Grammar isn't the same as punctuation. They're different operations of written language. What I didn't understand was what your criticism of left was about. I had no intention of "shaming" you. As for what I said about leftist managers, can you point out any? What would they be managing, a leftist magazine or web site, perhaps? No other business I can think of would consciously keep on staff any leftist managers. This isn't puzzling, it's merely common sense.
Ephraim, We all make mistakes. In your third sentence you left out the word "the". I guess we have a different meaning of left, leftist,or maybe manager. It's the hard folks that I believe cause problems, that are way out of proportion to their numbers. Those that claim to be hard right or hard left. I meet, talk to, and work with people everyday. I don't care about their politics, race, sex, income, educational level, or any type of label someone might attach to them. I get along with most of them just fine. The practice of tolerance involves keeping our natural propensity to be judgemental in check. As far as that question about managers from the left, if being a democrat puts you on the left, then of course there are millions of managers from the left. I'm sure I've made mistakes in my grammar and punctuation, part of that is due to a head injury courtesy of a drunk driver, and my failure to wear my helmet. Cheers
. You don't need to apologize to DNC trolls my friend. Nor does it matter to me how many grammar mistakes appear in your posts. It is just another form of elitism these trolls use to frame opinion and influence people to vote Democratic by pretending they are better than the rest of us. Actually they have absolutely nothing in common with the 99%. They represent the modern intelligentsia who know exactly what is best for us. They stand on their ivory tower and bring down the seminal word on the passive body of their disciples. It is the only thing they do well. I doubt the author has went hungry in her elitist life but see from her bio that she worked for three months in oppressive jobs to gather information on her book,but then back to academia with the other lip service socialists with the accouterments of privilege her PHD has provided.
You are a fucking idiot. Calling someone a troll because they disagree with one single thing you hold dear is the hallmark of a fucking idiot. I have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Democratic party and haven't had for at least 20 years. So how might I be a tool of the DNC, know-it-all? Where the hell do you get off calling people trolls--because they might read a book? That means they're buying into the book culture, which are made of trees (you really know nothing about it, but why would that stop you?).
You also have zero understanding of anything Barbara Ehrenreich has written, her life, or anything at all about her. Yet you can issue one judgment after another on her as if you were the chief inquisitor himself. If anyone's an elitist here, it's YOU. I have criticized the Democratic Party and had nothing to do with it since probably before you were born, dipshit. Keep your ignorance to your ignorant self.
Thanks for your latest emotional outburst and tantrum. My reference to you being a troll is well earned on this forum. Your defense of the status quo pundits which first launched another one of your attacks on me, first originated with a negative critique I posted about Hartmann. In this instance you’re numerous obfuscations including the author’s avoidance of linking in her essay on marginalization that it is fundamentally a condition of the duopoly working together to advance their corporate paymasters. Not only does your defense demonstrates your own ignorance, but shows your galactic self righteousness. Moreover, you continue to show what is truly dysfunctional not only by correcting people who don’t agree with you, but regress to childish name calling. Additionally you have a long history and record on this forum by engaging in shallow ad homonym attacks rather than challenge ideas. Instead you regress to correcting syntax as if that is some type of monumental revelation. Besides your posts often denigrate into personal narcissism which more reveals the vacant, haunted, hollow eyes of the professional academic or blogger, peering through the ruins of impotent frames, and which continues to tell the tale so sadly in post after post.
Attack the message if you like, but attacks on the messenger are boring and disruptive. They also indicate a weakness in the arguments of the person resorting to this.
So why are you directing that to me? Did you happen to read his response? If you got a dog in this fight that is fine. But please don't pretend to be something you are not.
No, I was not directing this at you, but rather at your antagonist. I am not sure if I posted in the wrong place, or, as sometimes happens, the CD software has garbled the sequencing of the thread.
Edit - On second look, it does seem that my post is properly under Ephraim's, as a response to Ephraim, which was my intention.
He was openly attacking me, so OK, I counter-attacked. If that makes my argument weak, I confess to being human. EarthFirst decided he needed to go after me, based on nothing but lies he felt comfortable telling himself about me. It's because of these LIES that I lost it.
If I start a campaign against you, claiming you are a plant from a rightwing think tank trying to make everyone resort to violence, might you in turn direct your defense somewhat at me? I'm not doing that because I have no reason to believe any such thing. But I can make it all up out of thin air because it pleases me, and that's what he was doing with me. Objective argument doesn't get anywhere with such characters. Nothing I can say in defense makes the slightest difference. It only makes him more certain of his bullshit.
There is a difference between attacking a persons' positions, and attacking the person.
Regardless of the provocation, "losing it," as you say you did, is not a good idea. "He hit me first" is no excuse.
Yes, the other person was wrong for calling you a troll indirectly. The thread is full of such insinuations, from a variety of posters. Many threads here are.
By the way, people are using two different definitions for the word "left" in this debate, That may be the only source of the disagreement. There may be other disagreements, but those are not being brought into clarity in this debate.
Yes, well, he was attacking my person, not my ideas. He didn't confine his attacks to any mere ideas, he went after me personally. I thought that was clear. He didn't call me a troll "indirectly"; it could not have been more direct. And it didn't stop there. He averred I was some kind of corporate lackey making tons of money, I worked hand in glove with the DNC, and I was an acolyte of various Democrat-friendly liberal commentators, including Ehrenreich as one. You apparently weren't really paying attention, except to my "losing it." So it's fine if he spreads lying crap about me, but it only shows how weak I am if I defend myself?
I agree. The insinuations that people are trolls should cease. Since I last posted on this thread, I came across 3 or 4 more such insinuations in other threads. That will no doubt get worse and worse and the election approaches., and it will have a serious suppressive effect on the discussion.
I said "indirectly" because the "troll" charge was not in a response to you, and was generalized - "DNC trolls." of course the implication was that you are one of those "DNC trolls." Indirect and generalized attacks are not better than direct and specific attacks, in my view. They are worse.
I am paying attention, believe me.
Read my comment to Rose below.
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Since you both have the same psychological quirk going on and a desperate need to hold each other's hand; the alliance may provide the long sought after personal affirmation each of you so desperately craves, and most likely never got as children.
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Blogging in the hinterlands is a cold and heartless business. Using the internet to fill your spiritual emptiness as a substitute for real human affection is nothing more than a dead end.
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In the coming years, you and Rose will still be on this forum in your never-ending tit- for- tat personal vendettas as the defining moment of each of your lives. I suppose that type of self punishment is your reward for the uglyness you dump so liberally on these pages.
That's it, project all the worst of yourself onto me. I'm not as naive as you apparently think. Everything you just accused me of is symptomatic of yourself. You started this fight, and now you pin all the blame on me--for daring to defend myself against your lies. This makes me a child starved for affection and in need of Siox Rose's hand. But oh supercilious one, condescending to your very core, you are the spiritually inert one here. You have never been able to back up ANY of your allegations against me that started this, you don't even try. It is enough that you smirk behind your empty and baseless certainties. That is ugliness incarnate, and you are its poster child. You managed to get me angry, and in your one-dimensional head that means I'm guilty. Wrong. It just means you're a manipulative dork.
This is for anyone still wasting your time reading this thread. Poor Ep., sub exist, much like the domesticated animals he keeps in bondage for food or pleasure while not recognizing he is one of them, also in chains. He is void of compassion not only for himself or the beasts he tortures and eats, because this type of inclusive compassion would require a formidable look from without; from outside his senseless condition.
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Additionally, since his bondage does not bother him, or perhaps he is simply unaware of it, he fails to make other connections, nor recognize political or social dissent much less revolutions in oppressed people who have such insight, and the additional courage to speak out about it; instead, Ep. penalizes their plight and ridicules their courage, always placing it below the self proclaimed liberal intelligentsia who divines his course in life.
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The right to dissent or to revolt, peacefully or with blood, against the cancerous, corporate, materialistic ethos of our time is something in bad taste for those with nothing left to lose, including hope. The ironic and sad consequence is he refuses to take responsibility for his own freedom, or to be responsible for anything worthwhile and good. True rebellion, righteous rebellion, is seen as bad form, a vice, or only to be employed as a means to insure that the easy and disposable life he is addicted to, continues; like any animal one might find in any zoo or lab rat, his existential anxiousness about the idea of his cage door opening for good, invokes profound fear in the vacuum in which he lives and further leading him to bite the very hand of his liberator! Plenty of food and interminable diversion (like constant internet use) are nevertheless accepted.
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Like the film Ground Hog day, Ephraim wakes each and every day to the same surreal and alienated life, parrots the expected script, meaningless texts, and moves from one thermostatically environment to another pushing buttons, pulling levers, or turning on his personal computer. For Ephraim, walking is seen as a form of rebellion that simply will not be tolerated, a form of dissent or a deviant act he will not tolerate.
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In a 24 hour cycle, a seven day period, month after month, and year after year passing through developmentally insignificant times, Ep spends very little time outdoors. For Ep going “outside” signifies shopping and building jumping, or car-to-bus- back to building-to plane- to Ipod surfing- back home to computer surfing. He has tuned out the rigors of adult life preferring the regressions to his childhood diaper changing when someone was always available to wipe his tiny rear end
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Finally, poor Ep has substituted moral or righteous indignation with acting out behavior, violence, name calling, passive aggressive quirks, and incessant and insufferable whining. In fact, everything he writes is punctuated by self pity and injured ego dramatics. Poor guy seems to be is self imposed role in life to play the victim.
I'm sorry you're so miserably confused as to who or what I am, but all you say here bears no relation to anything I've EVER written on this forum. I'm afraid it's your own hollow eyes staring out from impotent frames that inform your utterly uninformed opinion of me. OK, so I do occasionally go off when people misuse the language. Chalk it up to my editorial past. I happen to think using language accurately is important, but realize I'm over ruled by levellers like you.
I have never, much to your dismay no doubt, defended ANY "status quo pundits" and have no idea where you got such an idiotic notion. Show me where I've done this. Come on, show me. A few days ago you accused me of defending Hartmann, while I have repeatedly denounced Hartmann for being pretty much the same Dem shill you claim he is. Why have you decided I'm some Democratic troll? For about TEN FUCKING YEARS I have denounced the Democrats, in case you've been paying any attention. Which of course you haven't. You simply decided I would be a convenient target for your own self-righteous, ignorant, ad hominem rage. Look to your own narcissism before accusing others of what you have no earthly idea of. If your life is so devoid of content that you have to conjure enemies, who may happen to correct others' mistakes (the biggest sin anyone can commit on the Internet, I'll grant), then maybe you need to step back and consider what emptiness has done to you. You are ugliness incarnate. And please leave me the hell alone. I don't need your stupidity.
“I'm sorry you're so miserably confused as to who or what I am, but all you say here bears no relation to anything I've EVER written on this forum.”
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Now that is rich, especially juxtaposed against your last melt-down which included your shaming of other participants, or the use of words like “dip-ship” or “fucking idiot” to name a couple in describing me. Nice to see you’ve calmed down. But I suspect your latest is nothing more than disguise to hide your short fuse.
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“I'm afraid it's your own [hollow eyes staring out from impotent frames] that inform your utterly uninformed opinion of me.
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Feel free to plagerize me any time.
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“ OK, so I do occasionally go off when people misuse the language.”
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How big of you. Do you want a gold star?
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“For about TEN FUCKING YEARS I have denounced the Democrats, in case you've been paying any attention.”
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Right, I’ve seen your denunciations of the Democrats, and I would characterize it in identical fashion to the denunciations that Hayden provides in his shallow and obnoxious pieces of tripe. If I were to use a metaphor describing both yours and Hayden's critiques, I would describe it as a sissy striking out with an open hand. And since your now characterizing yourself as a Democrat slayer, why not refer us to one of your posts advocating for Third Parties?
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“You simpley decided I would be a convenient target for your own self-righteous, ignorant, ad hominem rage.”
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No, wrong again, you accosted me first, not the other way around. I have never engaged you until after you attacked me on this forum, and I invite you to prove otherwise. Moreover, I don’t think you understand the meaning of “rage” which you included in that sentence and not withstanding your characterization of yourself as an editor. Re-read your own posts to discern the meaning of rage, and then tell me about the hallmark of your own narrow obfuscations and childish name calling.
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My posts are definitely a polemic against faux progressives profiting off the corporate world, or taking refuge in academic circles while collecting elitist salaries and then telling those of us who live off less the twenty thousand how we should live.
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“If your life is so devoid of content that you have to conjure enemies, who may happen to correct others' mistakes (the biggest sin anyone can commit on the Internet, I'll grant), then maybe you need to step back and consider what emptiness has done to you. You are ugliness incarnate. And please leave me the hell alone. I don't need your stupidity.”
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Thanks for describing your contribution on this forum. Besides your supporters here, any objective re-reading of this exchange tells a very different story and your obfuscations will not render it illigetimate.
All you've done is make shit up about me. I never attacked you. You came after me, completely out of nowhere, accusing me of being a Hartmannite, and now an apostle of Hayden, who I haven't read or cared about for over a decade. Next you'll be saying I'm a staffer for Nancy Pelosi.
You haven't seen anything I've written about the Dems or you wouldn't make the baseless claims about my alleged support of them. All I've done for YEARS is advise against having anything to do with them. You're just making all this up, and you cannot back any of it up with even an iota of proof. Not that I care. Any proof you might offer would only be further bullshit conjurations. It's important for you to hate me. It makes you feel like a leftist.
I've gone off on you because you decided it was incumbent of you to attack me for literally no reason. Unless it's because I've tried to correct a few spelling or punctuation errors that OTHERS have posted. Mea culpa!
Have I ever advocated for third parties? Are you serious? Look, I can't dredge up the thousands of times I've done precisely that. I don't know how to do that on these sites. What could I do, look up Ephraim's advocacy of third parties on Common Dreams, on Google? I've done it so many times I'm hoarse just thinking about it. But excuse me if I can't satisfy you with exact citations of dates and threads. I don't know how to do that. I've been in countless arguments here with others who have counseled against third parties.
I never voted for Clinton, Obama or any other Democrat since, I'm guessing, about 1980. That year I voted for Barry Commoner. In 1988 I voted for Jesse Jackson. In 1992 I went for Ron Daniels, Socialist Party candidate. In '96 I voted for Nader, also in 2000. And in 2008 I voted for McKinney. Every one of those years I tried to get others to vote for third party candidates, usually without success. I was involved with a socialist organization in the 1980s, trying to unionize workers and change how unions were structured. All of that time I was writing AGAINST the Democratic Party as any kind of agent of change. I had many arguments in 2008 with liberal friends about Obama. I was never fooled. But I guess all this makes me a DNC troll. And guess what, answer man, I've never even had the luxury of making as much as $20,000 in a year. I've always been considerably under that mark. Yet that only proves what a corporate stooge I am.
So I don't need to "plagerize" you. It would be detrimental to my cause. And I'd have to resort to spelling as badly as you do. Of course, that makes you more authentically on the left. Remind me to ignore you in the future.
Furthermore, I would invite you to ignore me in the future, and I will do likewise. But if you want to continue to make it your business to act as surrogate for faux pretenders who cannot connect the dots by attacking those who point it out. Then by all means, bring it on!
One of the truly hilarious things about you is how you rush to the defense of posters who themselves attack the left, for one reason or another, as iwonder did. You did the same thing when you appeared out of nowhere accusing me of being a DNC troll a few days ago. I was challenging someone else who was denigrating the left, and you accused me of being a troll for the DNC from a leftist standpoint! Don't you see the contradiction?
You keep doing this. I disagree with someone attacking the left, then you pop up to defend them, claiming I'm some troll for the Democrats. Don't you see how I'd conclude you just have a vendetta for me, based on absolutely nothing but your own CHILDISH need to have an enemy?
You say you're a Vietnam vet. We're of the same generation, then. I was protesting that war, back in college. I wasn't drafted but had several friends who either never came back or were seriously wounded. I was in ROTC and dropped out, in protest of the whole thing.
Whatever. I'm sure this makes me even more evil than you're already convinced I am.
EPHRAIM: This is not about a difference of opinion, although that's the facade used to make it appear as such. These posters are TRAINED in dis-information techniques and tactics. They want to see honest posters like you, me, and Wayne (on environmental issues) "go off." They think we lose credibility when their repeated false allegations make us lose our sense of composure. This is all PLANNED, and they've no doubt had ample experience in the "practice" to produce the results they aim for.
You will notice that the tactic also includes someone else playing "good cop" who shows up in a way that SEEMS to defend the person under attack. What happens is that the pair get to volley around the allegations longer, knowing full well that lies told often enough do tend to stick in at least some minds.
When one is purposely misrepresented, they are placed into a defensive posture. That's almost always the way the "opposition" wins an argument. It's based on the whole framing issue. The plant will often seek to characterize someone else as a fraud, and then they will keep hammering that point in. Naturally such misrepresentation becomes disorienting and disconcerting to the honest poster. And it's 100% intended. This has NOTHING to do with free speech. It is another covert element of the war on Truth, liberty, and citizens' rights. These posters use a lot of different names, but astute CD readers will recognize them because they repeat the same patterns. In the beginning, I was thrown by it, too; but now I can SEE what they are doing, and it's my wish to make other HONEST contributors to C.D. aware of these very dangerous machinations.
If someone really cares about Progressive issues, they will not tear down Barbara E, Amy Goodman, Ralph Nader, Phil Rockstroh, Medea Benjamin, and everyone else trying to make a difference. What this group does is post spurious data designed to IMPUGN the reputations of these persons. It's not about the alleged purity test... it's an insidious campaign to silence any voices other than that of the Authoritarian Controllers.
These people are Deadly... Serious.
Hi SR So once again we spar. But talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Who is trying to silence voices on this site more that yourself? You call those that write things you disagree with all manor of foul names, and accuse them of being part of some kind of imaginary conspiracy. I post on this site to exchange ideals with interesting people. I hold no illusions that my posts on CD are going to change or save the world. Your motives I can't begin to fathom, but I don't think anyone on CD is out to get you. Cheers!
Earth First: Is that you, Scribe? Guess you forgot how closely your post mirrors the thinking of real fascists like Nazis... given their hatred of books, writers, and the Intelligentsia. You've done a formidable hit job, throwing everything at an honest poster, but the kitchen sink. And yeah, I caught the snide remark as per "Tarot readers."
The fact that you reinforce a numb skull like "I wonder," who believes there are managers on the "Extreme Left." Then he genuflects on the inanity that the Democratic party signifies the left... I mean if that's not simplistic a la Rush Limbaugh level thinking, what in blazing carnations is?
YOU are the trolls. You each seem to have your fortifications mapped out by topic; and you each seem to lean ultra-Left in the area you're possibly most comfortable commenting about. Then, using the cred gained from your seeming Left-leaning sympathies in that area, you go on to trash OTHER topics, undermine voices on the Left by suggesting they actually (bells ringing now) make a living! By God, they sell books! By golly they get paid to lecture! By golly they actually fly on a real live airplane sometimes! Let's blame them for the whole ecological holocaust and lend fuel to the same ideological fires that burn across the RIGHT WING airwaves. Let's put the blame on all the THINKERS who challenge the system, so that the system itself can remain in place. Who's the centrist, given that strategy? Who's the protector of the status quo, you insidious PLANT!
That is hilariously ironic Rose. The last time you responded to one of my posts it was to commend it (refer to the Hayden thread); now you are trashing me. But I understand that you and your pal both have some type of passive/agressive disorder to deal with. Do the best you can, dear.
If I think a post has merit, even if it's penned by one of my regular attackers, I may grant it praise. That is not the same thing as endorsing the person, all across the board. Your tactics are juvenile and I think I did a good job of exposing them. You're obviously paid to post (I notice this with Dominator Types who generally log anywhere from 10-25% of comments on any single thread), and I am not... that means I must devote time to things like running a household, and making a living. Ta-ta.