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Arizona: This Is What Apartheid Looks Like
Those who think that there's an immigration crisis in Arizona are correct; however, this is but part of the story. The truth is, a civilizational clash is being played out in the same state in which the state legislature questions the birthplace and legitimacy of President Barack Obama and where Sen. John McCain competes with Senate hopeful, J.D. Hayworth, to see who is the most anti-immigrant.
It is also the same state that several years ago, denied a holiday for Martin Luther King Jr., and that today permits virtually anyone -- on the basis of trumped-up fear -- to carry concealed weapons anywhere.
Welcome to Apartheid Arizona -- the land of Sheriff Joe Arpaio, "States' Rights" and a desert that has claimed thousands of migrant lives. By way of the same extremist legislature, the battle here is even much larger and more profound. This civilizational clash is being waged daily here via more bills involving who belongs, what language can be spoken here and who and what can be taught in the state's schools. This is beyond the notion of who is "legal."
Whoever said that this crisis is proof that the illegal Mexican American War never ended is partially correct because this conflict is even older than that war in which Mexico lost half its territory to the United States. The irony regarding the recently signed SB 1070 -- which permits law enforcement to question people about their citizenship, based on "reasonable suspicion" -- is that those principally targeted will be those who look the "most Hispanic."
"Looking Hispanic" has always been a misnomer; what it really means is those who are dark and short and who look the "most Indigenous." Truthfully, here in Arpaio Country, that profiling that everyone fears is already here with us. And to dispel illusions, the darkest amongst us have always been subjected to racial profiling by the "migra" and by law enforcement agencies everywhere in the country. This is true whether we've been here for a few days or for thousands of years. And to dispel further illusions, this civilizational clash alluded to is national in scope; witness the many hundreds of anti-immigrant bills nationwide since 2006. Only its epicenter is here.
What is changing with SB 1070 is that racial profiling is no longer outside of the law; here it now has legal cover. But to be sure, people of conscience will never accept it as law. And just as Arizona Rep. Raul Grijalva is calling for a national and international boycott of Arizona -- many are calling on law enforcement to have the moral courage to refuse to recognize SB 1070 as a law and simply view it as a proposal until the courts decide on its constitutionality.
SB 1070 brings us to a moral precipice. After World War II, a consensus developed here that it had been wrong to have incarcerated the Japanese in internment camps because such action was morally wrong. Virtually no one had the courage to assert this while it was happening. Law enforcement has that chance today, to refuse to obey SB 1070 that is both, morally repugnant and outside of the U.S. Constitution.
Regarding the larger civilizational struggle, the context is akin to when Europeans first came to this continent. The conquistadors came for gold, land and bodies (slaves). The friars, on the other hand, came for souls. Similarly, the migra and extremist legislators want bodies deported; the state school superintendent, Tom Horne, wants souls.
Last year, the state legislature attempted to eliminate Ethnic Studies from the state's K-12 curriculum. The real target was Tucson Unified School District's Mexican American Studies (MAS) program. After young students ran from Tucson to Phoenix in 115 degree heat, the bill was defeated. This year, a similar, yet more preposterous bill is back. HB 2281 seeks to outlaw curriculum that is anti-American and that advocates the violent overthrow of the U.S. government. The bill creates a mechanism by which books will be judged to be in compliance. American Indian and African American classes are exempted and thus the clear target again is the MAS program. Horne is on record claiming that only things from Western Civilization (Greco-Roman) should be taught in Arizona schools. Pre-Colombian Indigenous knowledge from this continent -- the foundation for the highly successful MAS program -- is considered outside of Western Civilization.
Amid the immigration crisis, the legislature is slated to also pass HB 2281 this week. This conjures up the line from the movie, The Other Conquest: "They came for our souls, but they didn't know where to look."
President Obama and Congress may yet nullify SB 1070 and similar bills nationwide, but this will not discourage those who continue to want our bodies... and souls.
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Show AllProf. Rodriguez, you've once again gone overboard. What's going on in Arizona is *NOT* Apartheid, and, if you have the faintest idea what Apartheid was all about, you should be deeply ashamed to make that false comparison.
Pity your students if your teaching is so egregiously false.
Mairead you are correct.
Dafoe
Mailread, I lived in apartheid South Africa, where "ne blancs" had to carry passbooks and where the Bantu schools had to teach in Afrikaans the language of the oppressor. Since you disagree with the prof. you tell me what is going on in Arizona that is respectful on everyones human rights, you do have some common human rights in Arizona I take it? Interested.l
Well, let's begin with the very *nature* of Apartheid:
- Enforced segregation by law *in all things*.
- "Proclaimed Bantu locations" punishable by imprisonment for trangressing in either direction
- No political self-determination for 'nie-blankes'
- No economic self-determination ditto
- No educational self-determination ditto
What's going on in Arizona is simply not comparable in any basic way to Apartheid unless the government is planning to put up "Chicanostans" and the word hasn't got out yet.
Dafoe
Mailread, apartheid had to start somewhere, it was happening before the Nationalist Party took power. This law is a big step in that direction. There is one law for the white folks and another one for the non white folk who will certainly come under the suspicion of the police, call it racial profiling, it is a fancy name for an unlovely law that separates people. Maybe one should remove that poem from the Statue of Liberty as it seems to apply only to the"huddled masses" who enter NY from Yurrup!? Can one now look to the other border states with Mexico passing similar laws? Once laws are passed they are hard to "unpass" and then they grow in spurts and get more restrictive as they "sharpen finer needles" to play their ancient hatreds.
Definition Apartheid.
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>>An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against nonwhites.
>>A policy or practice of separating or segregating groups.
>>The condition of being separated from others; segregation
Which definitions do not apply to this law? People have a problem with defining words. When it suggested a Policy is Facist we have the same types of rebuttals with statements like "How dare you call this Fascist, it nothing like Nazi Germany"
Ok this is nothing like South Africa but it does not mean it therefore can not be an element of Apartheid.
Ok this is nothing like South Africa but it does not mean it therefore can not be an element of Apartheid.
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Thanks, and I'd certainly agree that what's going on is nothing like Zuidafrika under Apartheid. I'd further suggest that there's so *much* difference that to use the term "Apartheid" is positively misleading, unlike the case in Palestine where there really *is* a strong and disgusting similarity.
It's racist, for sure. If there weren't racism and other classism behind it, they'd go after the employers and ignore the working people.
But it's nothing like Apartheid except insofar as racism was involved there, too.
Mairead
You are quite correct, except for...
"It's racist, for sure. If there weren't racism and other classism behind it, they'd go after the employers and ignore the working people"
They are not allowed to go after them. Simple as that. Making illegal immigration a crime under state law could be a first step, but I doubt this law weill stand anyway. These Bozo's are protected from the states by the interstate commerce clause, which puts them directly under the Feds and the Feds as you know refuse to enforce the Comprehensive Immigration Bill.
Actually, "Apartheid" just means "apartness".
Incidentally, the British owe the Boers enormous reparations as well.
Isn't Pre-Colombian civilization the "real" Western (hemisphere) civilization? OK, so there was human sacrifice amidst the empires. That was not exclusive to the Western Hemisphere. The Americas, Africa, and Asia all had empires, religions, philosophies, trade economies, etc. Oh, and stunning examples of art and architecture as well. There are still people who can't believe Angkor, Giza, and Tenochtitlan were built without help from visiting spacemen. It only seems to be anti-American when things like slave trading, stealing mineral patrimony, spreading disease, and other Western(European) "advancements" are included in the mix.
Thank you for the excellent article showing the racial profiling around going on and the attack on Mexican-American education programs in k-12. Your article makes clear that the Arizona law is a wedge attack against people of color.
For the love of God, the problem is FAR easier dealt with than by illegalizing a whole segment of your LEGITIMATE population. Just get rid of NAFTA, CAFTA, and GATT. Eliminate the tax cuts and breaks that business has gotten for shipping all our jobs off to Asia, and things will improve. How?
When NAFTA was passed, it made it possible for us to flood Mexico with cheap food. That made it impossible for the family farms down there to compete with our agribusinesses, and so the only buyer for those farms was (wait for it) agribusiness. And since they don't use HUMAN labor, there were no jobs for those people who used to work on those farms. With nowhere else to go, they had to come here.
At the same time, our companies started sending our jobs off to Asia, instead of Mexico where we USED to send jobs we weren't going to do anymore. So they not only lost their agricultural jobs, but they lost their factory jobs as well. What else are these people supposed to do? There aren't any jobs in Mexico left for them to do, and no jobs further down south, so they come here. What is the surprise, here?
These agreements have been the most disastrous things to have happened to our two countries in decades, and should be repealed as quickly as possible if either of us is to have a chance for repair. Until our politicians get a spine and start doing things that are right for the MAJORITY of people and not just the top 2%, this will continue and just get worse.
It's also a fact that the people in charge don't WANT us to do well. Their whole goal for the last 30 years has been to destroy the majority of us, and profit from it the whole time. Our politicians are OWNED by these people, so it's no wonder that NONE of them is willing to tell the truth about the REAL issue, stupid, selfish and suicidal policies. They would rather keep playing divide and conquer on us, it's worked so well for the last 30 years.
Immigrants are NOT the real enemy here, they are victims even more than WE are. The real enemy is the rich class, those with more money than brains or morals. THEY are the ones who are calling the shots, and they are the ones who have paid for what we currently live with. As with ALL things, FOLLOW THE MONEY. And that DOES NOT lead to the immigrants, does it? It leads to the top 2%. Recognize your REAL enemy. HE is who you must defeat.
You hit the nail on the head. It's quite pathetic to see posters on CD falling for this divide-and-conquer strategy. Poor immigrants are not the enemy! Rich banksters and politicians are and they're laughing their asses off at all this racist rage.
Yep. Repealing NAFTA and other such programs that make it all but impossible for a Mexican worker to stay home and make a living is where the fix must start.
Until that done if the choice of the Mexican is sneak into the USA or starve , I have to be onside of those that sneak into the USA.
We got people with BILLIONS of dollars getting bailed out with trillions more which is something I am much more concerned about then people with nothing sending a few dollars home to feed their families.
NAFTA allows PRODUCT and Money to cross borders freely. At the same time the worker can not. This demonstrates clearly that its intent is to protect Capital and Capitalists and not workers.
Workers on EITHER side of the border are in the same fix and should not be turning on one another.
GwNorth
"Yep. Repealing NAFTA and other such programs that make it all but impossible for a Mexican worker to stay home and make a living is where the fix must start."
Absolutely.
Though the starving bit is simply a canard.
"Workers on EITHER side of the border are in the same fix and should not be turning on one another"
Once again, absolutely correct.
Well explained WJM. Legal or illegal, they are poor people like us, our brothers and sisters doing what they need to do to survive. Legal or illegal is not a moral state, but an accident of history based on policies set up by business to meet its needs.
Joe
Sioux Rose
WJM: Bingo! I tried to make this point on one of Sunday's CD threads... it's about failed policy, instead of group A fighting with group B over the available crumbs left in the crooked pot! What amazes me is how often this strategy (on the part of elites) works! I suppose because history gives the illusion of a progressive time line, persons do not recognize themselves when they're repeating the very lessons they learned once upon a time in class... perhaps on account of wearing modern costumes their memory tapes are thrown off?
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/281867/april-21-2010/the-word---no-problemo
First they came for the Muslims; then they came for the Hispanics; then they came for .....
BS. These people are being used to suppress everybody'd wages. Their bosses know their illegal and hold it over their heads turning them into serfs in some instances slaves . What about the term illegal don't you understand? I can't go live in Mexico today past my two week visitors pass and if I try I'll be arrested and thrown in jail and after that I will be deported. I got news for you in Mexico they have no problem finding you and they don't care about the fact that your white , brown or green . Here though we have these Profs. like this one whining still about a war that happened 200 yrs. ago. The next thing will be they want to tell us we need to give it all back. You want to live and work here fine then get a green card or stay in whatever country your from.
Way to Go Arizona. The new law on immigration is great! I love Mexicans. especially when they live in Mexico. I love Americans when they live in America. If you want to live in another country you have to follow the rules. You have to have the skills or education to gain entry to a new society. The society actually has to want you. There is no entitlement, you have to earn it.That is what my Mom did, My Dad, my wife, and my brother-in-law. To gain entrance into a society, other than by birth you should have something to offer. Having a skin color other than white should not get you anything for free. My Dad was admitted to the US but was not allowed to practice Medicine in Indiana. and several other states and a multitude of counties. This was racial profiling and nepotism, my dad was a foreigner. He talked funny. My Dad was able to jump through the various prejudiced laws set before him, and become a contributing member to the American public. Allowing my family to live a high quality way of life above that of most other countries.
Being detained for committing a crime is not racial profiling. If you commit a crime in Mexico, you are tried serve your time and then you are deported. Dr. Rodriguez is mixing up refugee with immigrant. If you are not an American citizen or legal resident you are allowed to reside in the USA for 6 months assuming you have a legal visa that permitted you entry.I lived in Arizona from 1961-2000, thats probably longer than John Mcain. There have always been illegals in AZ. They work very cheap, in restaurants, bars, hotels, construction, etc.. They have no rights. I saw a landscape company call immigration on their own job site the day before payday. They did to reduce there payroll load. The entire crew was deported back to Mexico and did not get their two weeks pay. The old way is no way. Kept wages down for everyone
Why are trying to protect trafficers in human beings, drugs, violence and death? Are you a closet Neo-Con Nazi type wholly toxic to humanity?
Smilodon
I hate to tell you this, but in my state we have many Mexicans that are Americans. And no ones skin color makes a damn bit of difference being an American. You have a hard time picking us out of a crowd because we Americans can be any color, any race, any ethnicity and speak with a bunch of funny accents.
Yankees think Southerners talk funny while Southerners think Yankees talk a senseless gibberish, Californians of course think we are all nuts and no one undestands what they say.
We don't require our immigrants to fill a need like Canada, Australia and most other countries do. If you come legally, if you aren't a criminal you are welcome.
Mexican Americans are Americans, don't go racist on me. You tend to put people in groups like a racist. Did you know that the universities in Arizona are a source of illegal aliens. Many Canadian students quit school and stay, illegally. Students from other countries as well. My family is full of immigrants, Holland, Belgium, England and Australia. All of them had to provide a skill that the federal government dictated. My father was not allowed to practice medicine inb Virginia or indiana plus states. I am not sure what country you live in, biut it does not sound like the United States. My Brother-in law got his 2005. mom became a citizen in 1976. Dad became a citizen in 1967. I was the first American in my family. My wife got her green card in 2003.She was not allowed to leave the country untill she gotthe card, including family emergencies like death. She was accepted because she was a nurse. Veritas, you don't seem to know immigration law very well in the United States.
As I recall, California has road blocks and slow downs to try and detect illegal aliens based pretty much on skin color. Traveling to San Diego from Phoenix there is a stop with dogs, looking mostly for illegals. Driving North Towards Los Angeles from San Diego there is a slow down on I5 where Migra actually stands between the lanes looking into your vehicle. This strikes me as very racist. Where is the OUTRAGE! The Arizona law has been written carefully to be based on paperwork. The Human trafficing, the hardcore drugs coming over, the kidnapping, the extortion, the violence and the deaths have to stop. My Mom and Dad and one sister still live there. My Mom supports the bill she is plainly scared. My sister teaches ESL(spanish) and is totally against it. Dad is a retired physician and wants to work at the mission(St vincent de Paul)so he is also against the bill.
And just how high off the hog would you be living if illegals did not contribute to the local economy? Go hide in your ivory tower and quit spewing your racist bullshit on this thread!
Quit smoking that weed! Your racist remarks are not appreciated. the color of skin is not an entitlement. My people were invited to this country. My family would of been living at the same level as did before. Dad was a physician. He lost money working at the mission for free. Shut your face you stupid snotnose. You never lived there, don't need your two cents.
Why are trying to protect trafficers in human beings, drugs, violence and death? Are you a closet Neo-Con Nazi type wholly toxic to humanity?
"Horne is on record claiming that only things from Western Civilization (Greco-Roman) should be taught in Arizona schools. Pre-Colombian Indigenous knowledge from this continent -- the foundation for the highly successful MAS program -- is considered outside of Western Civilization."
For 'Western Civilization', read 'Anglo-Saxon anti-Latinate' society.
Western Civilization is pretty much always a misnomer, isn't it? How can it be said that anything Latin-related is not part of Western Civ? The language of the Romans, the culture of the Spaniards and Portuguese who crept into the Americas, is fundamentally Western Civ. Keep in mind that the Anglos and the Saxons and a zillion other mostly-vanished European tribes were the Indians before European knowledge of the Dakota, Poko, and Cherokee peoples. Anybody who thinks any person, place, or thing from Nunavut to Tierra Del Fuego is outside Western Civ just might have their head up their ass.
Suggest what to read in a fattened term like Western Civilization, fine, but always bet on the reading being the narrowest of which the reader is capable.
Immigrants in my family are all for this sort of legislation. Why? Partly because they came here legally, following every stupid little rule and paying all the big fees and getting all the endless run-arounds. After surviving that bureaucratic guantlet, hearing there are millions of individuals who have come here illegally (and that their taxes will be helping pay the way) is more than a bit irritating.
Really, what is a state like Arizona supposed to do? If enough of legal citizenry feel threatened by a foreign people illegally invading and not assimilating, ignoring the rule of law, the next natural step is taking the law into your own hands (in other words, violence).
Better this new law than trigger-happy border-militia-vigilante gangs. Crying apartheid is total hyperbole and doesn't address the real problem in the least. As WJM mentions below, progressives ought to look at NAFTA as the true culprit.
"Foreign people illegally invading"? For one thing, they are INVITED here by major employers all over the United States. For another, they are our neighbors--in fact Arizona used to be part of Mexico and is inextricably linked to its culture. Latinos are less "foreign" to me than the hordes of Canadians and Midwesterners who "invade" every winter to escape their cold winters.
blessthebeasts
"Foreign people illegally invading"? For one thing, they are INVITED here by major employers all over the United States."
Thats the God's truth!
This transparent attempt to raise sympathy for the opposition to Arizona's new laws by calling these Apartheid is contemptible.
This new law is a civil rights triumph for American citizens and especially America's poor workers. Maybe it will make it easier for the poorest Americans who are currently out of work to find jobs, if this law is enforced, since poor American citizens won't have to compete with illegals for jobs as much.
The pseudo-left-wing corporate shills keep framing this as a "race" issue or civil rights issue. They have to dredge up history from over 200 years ago as if it has any relevance for today's realities. And maybe they are right, this is a race issue - black, hispanic and native Americans are overrepresented among this nation's poorest, most voiceless citizens, and perhaps one of the best ways to help these poorest Americans would be to ensure that they aren't competing with an endless stream of illegal immigrants who suppress wages and take jobs that citizens could be doing.
How come no one ever asks our poorest citizens how they feel about this new law, or did the left conveniently forget about them? Why always talk to the left-wing academics and corporate shill activists and agitators who ultimately represent the business interests who seek to suppress wages by exploiting illegals? How about talking to poor recent, legal immigrants to see how they feel? A civil rights triumph this is, and I am considering vacationing in Arizona to show my support for this new law.
This new law shouldn't even be considered "controversial". What SHOULD be considered at least controversial is allowing businesses to hire illegals with impunity, to allow illegals to send kids to schools they don't pay taxes into, among other government services they use.
It truly is sad and reprehensible how the left has sold out so completely to the business class. Mexico should fix its own problems; we should always gladly accept a certain amount of immigrants, but within reasonable limits.
How come no one ever asks our poorest citizens how they feel about this new law, or did the left conveniently forget about them?
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In general, what passes (in the corporate media and their own minds, at least) for "the left" is quite classist. This was a gigantic problem with NOW (e.g.) back in the Second Wave days of the '70s: lots of focus on glass-ceiling issues, almost zero on issues important to minimum-wage women.
peaceistruth
This problem is nowhere near as simple as you are trying to portray it. And this law may be a good one or a bad one, no one knows for sure yet. Obviously it contains the seeds of abuse. It may not be Constitutional.
The shame belongs at the Federal level. I doubt many Arizona Cops are that thrilled to be placed in this position. And they may not use it. There is no provision in it that requires a cop to use this law.
Not quite true. There is a provision that allows any citizen to bring a lawsuit against law enforcement if they feel they are not enforcing this law. Very slippery slope.
blessthebeasts
I thought that applied to cities declaring themselves "sanctuary cities"
Are you sure it applies to individual policemen? If so I'm going to have to read the darn thing again.
It applies, I believe, to the law enforcement agency and ultimately the city, county or state it represents. You can be sure there will be a great deal of pressure to enforce this, because of the liability alone.
blessthebeasts
Well darn, back to read the thing again, no skimming this time.
Frankly, I doubt it will stand anyway. I'm not even sure its a good idea. They are just getting desperate.
Normally I don't post here but this one really bothers me. I agree with several posts above (WJM, SEAGLASS). The issue is more complex than WJM admits since per SEAGLASS guess who is in charge? When the article talks about the illegal war 150 years ago, do you mean to say you don't think Texas, California and NM are part of the USA? When you call this admittedly bad law "apartheid" then what will you call it if things DID escalate to that? It's certainly objectionable that legal immigrants will have to "prove" themselves and certainly allows for profiling but how can you equate that to "when they come for...".
The biggest problem I have is that people here are taking one side or the other (and escalating from there). Not everyone that sees a problem with illegal immigration is a bigotted racist (some are, some are NOT). Not everyone who has an issue with how rights for immigrants are being trampled is disputing that states have the legal right to control immigration or that immigration causes some societal problems if not managed (and we are not managing this well).
What I would love to see from all you smart folks is someone on the each side that could give a coherent policy proposal about what we should be doing instead, that actually takes into account the very real pain and the real issues on the OTHER side.
Until we take into account the problems in local schools, local law enforcement, language continuity, cultural heritage, and economic survival in an inclusive way, this whole thing just degenerates into some sort of "squatters rights". How can we even discuss this separately from economic and political issues in Mexico? Is it a good thing there are "ghost towns" down there, where everyone is here or "dead". Is it a good thing when a kid can't get good schooling when the whole school is focused on non-english speakers? Who pays for the adjustment problems (not the employers)? Why wouldn't Arizonians be upset, angry and do stupid things? Will calling them racist and the law "apartheid" make them smarter or just even more defensive?
In Arizona, this question has 2 sides, but last I looked, the ballots in my city have to be printed in 12 languages (next year 16..); when there is not a common language by law it costs us every day.
In my next-door town they have been in an uproar about immigration; last I looked the immigrants (legal and illegal) while causing some cultural changes in fact have really helped the town economically. Can we teach everyone english? Pro-hispanic culture war people object. Taxpayers object. Can we send'em all home? Might as well cut off your own leg; these are friends, neighbors, many contribute wonderfully, and a couple are criminals. Can we stop making this all black & white ( or brown & white in this case)?
What I would love to see from all you smart folks is someone on the each side that could give a coherent policy proposal about what we should be doing instead, that actually takes into account the very real pain and the real issues on the OTHER side.
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It's a coherent proposal you want? Bin NAFTA forthwith, and go after only the employers: get caught employing someone from over the border? A solid year in jail without the option of a fine for the owner(s) and, unless s/he can show a written order, the hiring manager. Second and subsequent offence? Double the previous sentence.
Mairead
It's a coherent proposal you want? Ban NAFTA forthwith, and go after only the employers: get caught employing someone from over the border? A solid year in jail without the option of a fine for the owner(s) and, unless s/he can show a written order, the hiring manager. Second and subsequent offence? Double the previous sentence.
Works for me. Intelligent suggestion, thanks!
Better go read the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo closely. One suggests the Spanish version.
I am in Arizona right now--Tucson.
The only thing even remotely worth buying here is pie--this seems to be the last bastion of traditional pies, of which godforsaken Douglas, next to an enormous open-pit copper mine, appears to be the epicenter.
I figure to eat two more slices by Thursday--and then I am blasting back to Mexico and giving the finger as I take off.
Seriously, this is all about that senile hairless ersatz POW and off-hours billiard ball John McCain: up for re-election this year.
His mind is missing in action and his mouth is working overtime.
Time for another traditional offering: tar and feathers (none from eagles, please).
Interesting, the people who support the Arizona Law and Sheriff Joe would be up in arms if these things happened in Iran, Cuba or North Korea.
Do as we say, not as we do.
Does Arpaio have a Blackwater/Xe personal bodyguard?
Seems I'm not the only one who is sick and tired of the abuse and overuse of the term Apartheid.
And what is all this applesauce about those territories once belonging to Mexico in regards to illegal immigration? Or the year 1492? Its not even coherent.
I flunked history 101? Why? Because I don't believe that territories once belonging to Mexico are still apart of it?
The arguements(it was mexico 150+ years ago) and (weren't the europeans intruders) don't have teeth to them. I invite you to study history; as well as world history and law to boot.