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Answering Helen Thomas on Why They Want to Harm Us
Thank God for Helen Thomas, the only person to show any courage at the White House press briefing after President Barack Obama gave a flaccid account of the intelligence screw-up that almost downed an airliner on Christmas Day.
After Obama briefly addressed L'Affaire Abdulmutallab and wrote "must do better" on the report cards of the national security schoolboys responsible for the near catastrophe, the President turned the stage over to counter-terrorism guru John Brennan and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.
It took 89-year old veteran correspondent Helen Thomas to break through the vapid remarks about channeling "intelligence streams," fixing "no-fly" lists, deploying "behavior detection officers," and buying more body-imaging scanners.
Thomas recognized the John & Janet filibuster for what it was, as her catatonic press colleagues took their customary dictation and asked their predictable questions. Instead, Thomas posed an adult query that spotlighted the futility of government plans to counter terrorism with more high-tech gizmos and more intrusions on the liberties and privacy of the traveling public.
She asked why Abdulmutallab did what he did.
Thomas: "Why do they want to do us harm? And what is the motivation? We never hear what you find out on why."
Brennan: "Al Qaeda is an organization that is dedicated to murder and wanton slaughter of innocents... They attract individuals like Mr. Abdulmutallab and use them for these types of attacks. He was motivated by a sense of religious sort of drive. Unfortunately, al Qaeda has perverted Islam, and has corrupted the concept of Islam, so that he's (sic) able to attract these individuals. But al Qaeda has the agenda of destruction and death."
Thomas: "And you're saying it's because of religion?"
Brennan: "I'm saying it's because of an al Qaeda organization that used the banner of religion in a very perverse and corrupt way."
Thomas: "Why?"
Brennan: "I think this is a - long issue, but al Qaeda is just determined to carry out attacks here against the homeland."
Thomas: "But you haven't explained why."
Neither did President Obama, nor anyone else in the U.S. political/media hierarchy. All the American public gets is the boilerplate about how evil al Qaeda continues to pervert a religion and entice and exploit impressionable young men.
There is almost no discussion about why so many people in the Muslim world object to U.S. policies so strongly that they are inclined to resist violently and even resort to suicide attacks.
Obama's Non-Answer
I had been hoping Obama would say something intelligent about what drove Abdulmutallab to do what he did, but the President limited himself to a few vacuous comments before sending in the clowns. This is what he said before he walked away from the podium:
"It is clear that al Qaeda increasingly seeks to recruit individuals without known terrorist affiliations ... to do their bidding. ... And that's why we must communicate clearly to Muslims around the world that al Qaeda offers nothing except a bankrupt vision of misery and death ... while the United States stands with those who seek justice and progress. ... That's the vision that is far more powerful than the hatred of these violent extremists."
But why it is so hard for Muslims to "get" that message? Why can't they end their preoccupation with dodging U.S. missiles in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Gaza long enough to reflect on how we are only trying to save them from terrorists while simultaneously demonstrating our commitment to "justice and progress"?
Does a smart fellow like Obama expect us to believe that all we need to do is "communicate clearly to Muslims" that it is al Qaeda, not the U.S. and its allies, that brings "misery and death"? Does any informed person not know that the unprovoked U.S.-led invasion of Iraq killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and displaced 4.5 million from their homes? How is that for "misery and death"?
Rather than a failure to communicate, U.S. officials are trying to rewrite recent history, which seems to be much easier to accomplish with the Washington press corps and large segments of the American population than with the Muslim world.
But why isn't there a frank discussion by America's leaders and media about the real motivation of Muslim anger toward the United States? Why was Helen Thomas the only journalist to raise the touchy but central question of motive?
Peeking Behind the Screen
We witnessed a similar phenomenon when the 9/11 Commission Report tiptoed into a cautious discussion of possible motives behind the 9/11 attacks. To their credit, the drafters of that report apparently went as far as their masters would allow, in gingerly introducing a major elephant into the room:
"America's policy choices have consequences. Right or wrong, it is simply a fact that American policy regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and American actions in Iraq are dominant staples of popular commentary across the Arab and Muslim world." (p. 376)
When asked later about the flabby way that last sentence ended, former Congressman Lee Hamilton, Vice-Chair of the 9/11 Commission, explained that there had been a Donnybrook over whether that paragraph could be included at all.
The drafters also squeezed in the reason given by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as to why he "masterminded" the attacks on 9/11:
"By his own account, KSM's animus toward the United States stemmed ... from his violent disagreement with U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel."
Would you believe that former Vice President Dick Cheney also has pointed to U.S. support for Israel as one of the "true sources of resentment"? This unique piece of honesty crept into his speech to the American Enterprise Institute on May 21, 2009.
Sure, he also trotted out the bromide that the terrorists hate "all the things that make us a force for good in the world." But the Israel factor did slip into the speech, perhaps an inadvertent acknowledgement of the Israeli albatross adorning the neck of U.S. policy in the Middle East.
Very few pundits and academicians are willing to allude to this reality, presumably out of fear for their future career prospects.
Former senior CIA officer Paul Pillar, now a professor at Georgetown University, is one of the few willing to refer, in his typically understated way, to "all the other things ... including policies and practices that affect the likelihood that people ... will be radicalized, and will try to act out the anger against us." One has to fill in the blanks regarding what those "other things" are.
But no worries. Secretary Napolitano has a fix for this unmentionable conundrum. It's called "counter-radicalization," which she describes thusly:
"How do we identify someone before they become radicalized to the point where they're ready to blow themselves up with others on a plane? And how do we communicate better American values and so forth ... around the globe?"
Better communication. That's the ticket.
Hypocrisy and Double Talk
But Napolitano doesn't acknowledge the underlying problem, which is that many Muslims have watched Washington's behavior closely for many years and view pious U.S. declarations about peace, justice, democracy and human rights as infuriating examples of hypocrisy and double talk.
So, Washington's sanitized discussion about motives for terrorism seems more intended for the U.S. domestic audience than the Muslim world.
After all, people in the Middle East already know how Palestinians have been mistreated for decades; how Washington has propped up Arab dictatorships; how Muslims have been locked away at Guantanamo without charges; how the U.S. military has killed civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere; how U.S. mercenaries have escaped punishment for slaughtering innocents.
The purpose of U.S. "public diplomacy" appears more designed to shield Americans from this unpleasant reality, offering instead feel-good palliatives about the beneficence of U.S. actions. Most American journalists and politicians go along with the charade out of fear that otherwise they would be accused of lacking patriotism or sympathizing with "the enemy."
Commentators who are neither naïve nor afraid are simply shut out of the Fawning Corporate Media (FCM). Salon.com's Glen Greenwald, for example, has complained loudly about "how our blind, endless enabling of Israeli actions fuels terrorism directed at the U.S.," and how it is taboo to point this out.
Greenwald recently called attention to a little-noticed Associated Press report on the possible motives of the 23-year-old Nigerian Abdulmutallab. The report quoted his Yemeni friends to the effect that the he was "not overtly extremist." But they noted that he was open about his sympathies toward the Palestinians and his anger over Israel's actions in Gaza. (Emphasis added)
Former CIA specialist on al Qaeda, Michael Scheuer, has been still more outspoken on what he sees as Israel's tying down the American Gulliver in the Middle East. Speaking Monday on C-SPAN, he complained bitterly that any debate on the issue of American support for Israel and its effects is normally squelched.
Scheuer added that the Israel Lobby had just succeeded in getting him removed from his job at the Jamestown Foundation think tank for saying that Obama was "doing what I call the Tel Aviv Two-Step."
More to the point, Scheuer asserted:
"For anyone to say that our support for Israel doesn't hurt us in the Muslim world ... is to just defy reality."
Beyond loss of work, those who speak out can expect ugly accusations. The Israeli media network Arutz Sheva, which is considered the voice of the settler movement, weighed in strongly, branding Scheuer's C-SPAN remarks "blatantly anti-Semitic."
Media Squelching
As for media squelching, I continue to be amazed at how otherwise informed folks express total surprise when I refer them to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's statement about his motivation for attacking the United States, as cited on page 147 of the 9/11 Commission Report. Here is the full sentence (shortened above):
"By his own account, KSM's animus toward the United States stemmed not from his experience there as a student, but rather from his violent disagreement with U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel."
One can understand how even those following such things closely can get confused. On Aug. 30, 2009, five years after the 9/11 Commission Report was released, readers of the neoconservative Washington Post were given a diametrically different view, based on what the Post called "an intelligence summary:"
"KSM's limited and negative experience in the United States - which included a brief jail-stay because of unpaid bills - almost certainly helped propel him on his path to becoming a terrorist ... He stated that his contact with Americans, while minimal, confirmed his view that the United States was a debauched and racist country."
Apparently, the Post found this revisionist version politically more convenient, in that it obscured Mohammed's other explanation implicating "U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel." It's much more comforting to view KSM as a disgruntled visitor who nursed his personal grievances into justification for mass murder.
An unusually candid view of the dangers accruing from the U.S. identification with Israel's policies appeared five years ago in an unclassified study published by the Pentagon-appointed U.S. Defense Science Board on Sept. 23, 2004. Contradicting President George W. Bush, the board stated:
"Muslims do not ‘hate our freedom,' but rather, they hate our policies. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the longstanding, even increasing support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan, and the Gulf States.
"Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy."
Abdulmutallab's Attack
Getting back to Abdulmutallab and his motive in trying to blow up the airliner, how was this individual without prior terrorist affiliations suddenly transformed into an international terrorist ready to die while killing innocents?
If, as John Brennan seems to suggest, al Qaeda terrorists are hard-wired at birth for the "wanton slaughter of innocents," how are they also able to jump-start a privileged 23-year old Nigerian, inculcate in him the acquired characteristics of a terrorist, and persuade him to do the bidding of al Qaeda/Persian Gulf?
As indicated above, the young Nigerian seems to have had particular trouble with Israel's wanton slaughter of more than a thousand civilians in Gaza a year ago, a brutal campaign that was defended in Washington as justifiable self-defense.
Moreover, it appears that Abdulmutallab is not the only anti-American "terrorist" so motivated. When the Saudi and Yemeni branches of al Qaeda announced that they were uniting into "al Qaeda of the Arabian Peninsula," their combined rhetoric railed against the Israeli attack on Gaza.
And on Dec. 30, Humam Khalil Abu Mulal al-Balawi, a 32-year-old Palestinian-born Jordanian physician, killed seven American CIA operatives and one Jordanian intelligence officer near Khost, Afghanistan, when he detonated a suicide bomb.
Though most U.S. media stories treated al-Balawi as a fanatical double agent driven by irrational hatreds, other motivations could be gleaned by carefully reading articles about his personal history.
Al-Balawi's mother told Agence France-Presse that her son had never been an "extremist." Al-Balawi's widow, Defne Bayrak, made a similar statement to Newsweek. In a New York Times article, al-Balawi's brother was quoted as describing him as a "very good brother" and a "brilliant doctor."
So what led al-Balawi to take his own life in order to kill U.S. and Jordanian intelligence operatives?
Al-Balawi's widow said her husband "started to change" after the American-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. His brother said al-Balawi "changed" during last year's three-week-long Israeli offensive in Gaza, which killed about 1,300 Palestinians. (Emphasis added)
When al-Balawi volunteered with a medical organization to treat injured Palestinians in Gaza, he was arrested by Jordanian authorities, his brother said.
It was after that arrest that the Jordanian intelligence service apparently coerced or "recruited" al-Balawi to become a spy who would penetrate al Qaeda's hierarchy and provide actionable intelligence to the CIA.
"If you catch a cat and put it in a corner, she will jump on you," the brother said in explaining why al-Balawi would turn to suicide attack.
"My husband was anti-American; so am I," his widow told Newsweek. Her two little girls would grow up fatherless, but she had no regrets.
Answering Helen
Are we starting to get the picture of what the United States is up against in the Muslim world?
Does Helen Thomas deserve an adult answer to her question about motive? Has President Obama been able to assimilate all this?
Or is the U.S. political/media establishment incapable of confronting this reality and/or taking meaningful action to alleviate the underlying causes of the violence?
Is the reported reaction of a CIA official to al-Balawi's attack the appropriate one: "Last week's attack will be avenged. Some very bad people will eventually have a very bad day."
Revenge has not always turned out very well in the past.
Does anyone remember the brutal killing of four Blackwater contractors on March 31, 2004, when they took a bad turn and ended up in the wrong neighborhood of the Iraqi city of Fallujah - and how U.S. forces virtually leveled that large city in retribution after George W. Bush won his second term the following November?
If you read only the Fawning Corporate Media, you would blissfully think that the killing of the four Blackwater operatives was the work of fanatical animals who got - along with their neighbors - the reprisal they deserved. You wouldn't know that the killings represented the second turn in that specific cycle of violence.
On March 22, 2004, Israeli forces assassinated the then-spiritual leader of Hamas in Gaza, Sheikh Yassin - a withering old man, blind and confined to a wheelchair. (Emphasis added)
That murder, plus sloppy navigation by the Blackwater men, set the stage for the next set of brutalities. The Blackwater operatives were killed by a group that described itself as the "Sheikh Yassin Revenge Brigade."
Pamphlets and posters were all over the scene of the attack; one of the trucks that pulled around body parts of the mercenaries had a large poster photo of Yassin in its window, as did store fronts all over Fallujah.
We can wish Janet Napolitano luck with her "counter-radicalization" project and President Obama with his effort to "communicate clearly to Muslims," but there will be no diminution in the endless cycles of violence unless legitimate grievances are addressed on all sides.
It would certainly also help if the American people were finally let in on the root causes for what otherwise gets portrayed as unprovoked savagery by Muslims.




156 Comments so far
Show AllAn article that should be disseminated on the streets of America. Of course, one would be arrested and trumped-up charges brought against them if they did, I am sure. Propaganda of misinformation that breeds fear and hatred.
I am ashamed of my country. We spread nothing but fear and misery and hate. Obama is just another stupid puppets in a long line of stupid puppets. He sold his soul years ago.
Yes, thank God for Helen Thomas.
"Or is the U.S. political/media establishment incapable of confronting this reality and/or taking meaningful action to alleviate the underlying causes of the violence?"
The "establishment" is incapable of confronting this reality. One of the symptoms of the "emotional plague" is the difficulty of discerning one is under it's influence. That's why the beginnging of healing the nation and world will come from outside the establishment.
Obama is not a stupid puppet, he is a human being under the effects of the emotional plague; no healthy person sat mute in the face of the Gaza Massacre, a healthy person shouted, cried, or puked.
But let's be clear: the emotional plague is pervasive, as Samalabear gives a personal demonstration of it here. A healthy statement would have been:
"An article that should be disseminated on the streets of America."
with an addition of how he was disseminating it.
The rest of Samalabear's statement only serves the plague by deflating the energetic strength his statement, as well as helping to deflate the strength of McGovern's statement. Even if there is a threat of arrest, a healthy statement would have made contingencies for such and occurrence.
If an average (white) American can understand the anger and resentment many African Americans, Native Americans and Hispanic Americans feels, then it should not be hard to understand what many Muslims feel. Generally speaking, even so-called uneducated, backward people are not prone to act irrationally or are born mentally unbalanced and/or with hate in their hearts. Muslims are no different. QED!
A bunch of obfuscating Tennysons:
" (Yours) not to reason why,
(Yours) just to do or die..."
If we donot put the truth of what our government is,has been,and continues to be,if we who read ray mcgovern and admirer helen thomas can only post to common dreams and other progessive sites then we are part of the problem. Rejoice Rejoice we have no choice but to take action and stop talking to our selves.Speak up Speak out Find others who are speaking out Join them Support them
This is the most brilliant distillation of the one the question the Administration refuses to answer: Why do they hate us? I have traveled to many Muslim countries and met many followers of Islam. Although I am an avowed apatheist, I have been welcomed in their homes, carried on their backs, been served tea by their children, shared belly-aching laughs, and stood in the center of the prayer room of a mosque housing a relic of Mohammed. The overwhelming request I get is please tell your government we do not hate Americans but they must stop harming us. I was on an island in Malaysia on September 11, 2001, and I will never forget the women wearing hijabs approaching me with tears in their eyes telling me, "I am so sorry." Bush squandered the good will America had after that terrible tragedy and now Obama continues to perpetuate and foster the same ill-will. When will they ever learn?
They don't WANT to learn. Knowledge of the true answer can hurt profits.
The Sept 12th I remember was that brief time when "Why do they hate us?" was asked before being trampled by the reactionary flag-waving of the corporate media. Ray McGovern's article, with appropriate kudos to Helen Thomas, is very important now while the publicity is fresh regards the Nigerian student and Jordanian doctor's actions.
The people who strike out against the US are not stupid, nor do they live in a vacuum. And neither are the people around the world who see this country's foreign policy in action, sometimes directly impacting their lives, but even if not directly, are empathetically affected by the horrors of Gaza, of Iraq, of drone attacks and "smart bombs" killing innocents. We here in the US are not stupid either, but our "culture" guides us to distraction and indifference. We need an awakening of awareness, and "why do they hate us?" is a good start.
after all is said and done. These, so called terrorists, Al kaeda or grand pubahs, have one effective tool in thier collective toolboxes that works. Being self interesed as we ALL are they will use the tool whenever they feel the need. Maby even to settle thier RENT. When I was a kid I used to marvel at the notion that Japanese pilots could fly a plane into a ship shouting BANZAI. I thought it a good thing that they didn't hit on the idea from the start of the war. I'm not afraid of these people. Never will be.I don't really know for sure if WE THE PEOPLE deserve all this hatred. A few well placed individuals pulled the strings and here they come. BANZAI!!!
I like the way Al Qaeda is presented to the world as an organisation with central head-quarters somewhere, some kind of management-structure and maybe even share-holders. We are led to believe that this is huge, while in the whole of Afghanistan there are just a handful of Al Qaeda members. Pissing off every Muslim in the world as is being done right now, doesn't seem to be a smart way to win hearts and minds, but with subtlety so many weapons would remain unsold, which would ruin the economy. And we can't have that, can we?
Samalabear:
I am also embarrassed to be a Amerikan, left the country 16 years ago; have not been back for 10 years.
But I read Commondreams.org almost everyday. Some of my friends ask me Why do I care?
I guess because so many people are affected by what Obomber and the Military do.
It is good that Helen Thomas now has the guts to ask relative questions in her old age.
She sure wasn't so brave when Bush was Prez. And it is Very Good that X CIA agents like Ray McGovern speak out.
But I repeat the same question I have asked several times. How do we get that other 59% of Amerikans to read Ray McGovern? How?
Well all I can do is print several copies and hand them out to a few Amerikan tourists passing through Indonesia.
And you brave souls still living in the Police State can do that to. But be careful, you are the brave ones.
Dear Peter Peace Nik,
Feldenkrais, CranioSacral, and a change of diet have helped me with my cowering shame...please grab Samalabear, and the two of you get some support for more strength and courage...the world could use the help of someone with their heart still partially open.
Sincerely,
Puck
I think your assessment of Ms. Thomas's 'bravery' during the Bush years is amiss, perhaps because you've not lived here. She did speak up at White House press conferences and ask pointed and important questions; Bush gave snide, dismissive and evasive answers.
After a short time, Ms. Thomas was assigned a seat in the rear of the room (made it easier for her to be ignored by the TV cameras) and after this was pointed out, she was allowed to move up to front rows. However, Bush (who'd been directed by his handlers)never called upon her, so she had no opportunity to ask any questions.
Wasn't it Reagan who started this? You had to sit in an assigned chair, and only speak when spoken to? And he would call you by name? So the gipper knew ahead of time what the questions where and read from a script as his training dictated, since he was an actor by trade. When he was Governor of California he invented "Free Speech Zones" at Berkley leading us into these dark ages devoid of meaningful, informed democratic debate instead languishing under corporate media strangulation.
Reagan's Alzheimer's was noted by many, which probably had a lot to do with the attempted assassination by Bush supporter Hinkley. Unfortunately for the Bush Crime Family, he survived. But napping in Cabinet meetings was hardly running the country. CIA Bush was the mastermind behind the illegal Iran-Contra operation, our first real glimpse of how out-of-control political families are in the US.
And Kudos to Ray for broaching the taboo Israeli Connection. The tyranny of hate-speech laws is being misused by israel and Israeli-American bankers to chill any free speech on the subject of Gaza Concentration Camps.
My hat is again off to Ray McGovern for this fine article.
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
P.S. Underlying causes of our current predicament are found through past patterns of political behavior, as Ray has pointed out with his fine, recent JFK article. I'm attempting to Capture Progressive insights in a fun wiki page I built:
http://planetofthebushapes.wikidot.com/bush-crime-family
You all are invited to add material to it, simply hit the edit button at the bottom and type in the box, just like CD. Patience is required since it is a free server.
DemocracyNow had a show on the four Blackwater men who were killed. According to the mother of one of the men, the "sloppy navigation" was due to their being sent out without a map or adequate protection, and, specifically, without directions to drive around Fallujah rather than through it. The four men and the village of Fallujah died because of the psychopathy of some Blackwater supervisors.
As Samalabear says-
"An article that should be disseminated on the streets of America. Of course, one would be arrested and trumped-up charges brought against them if they did, I am sure. Propaganda of misinformation that breeds fear and hatred.
I am ashamed of my country. We spread nothing but fear and misery and hate. Obama is just another stupid puppets in a long line of stupid puppets. He sold his soul years ago.
Yes, thank God for Helen Thomas."
Well better late than never for Helen Thomas
And hope more and more people start asking Real questions.
I do not disagree with McGovern's lucid analysis.
My only gripe is that "hating us" is not the only hate percolating in the Middle East. The Taliban is a classic offshoot of Islam of which there have been many in its history. The Taliban hates the rich and powerful because they are considered to be "Godless" in their religiously-colored worldview and that includes not only the Afghan government but also all of "us" Westerners. Even if we did not kill anyone in Afghanistan the most fundamental Taliban's would correctly consider me to be "Godless" and therefore hate me.
Maybe you're right. Still, they would most likely leave us alone if we left them alone.
Crowsnest said "Even if we did not kill anyone in Afghanistan the most fundamental Taliban's would correctly consider me to be "Godless" and therefore hate me."
But if we weren't in their country, then they probably would just 'hate' us from over there just like lots of people in many countries do. Or do you think they would be landing on the beaches of Santa Monica to try to get to you, like those Viet Cong were supposed to do back in the day?
I did read the story but have not read all your posts yet.
My experience with the religious community especially the Unitarian Universalists who are supposed to be better educated on the subject…well I was reprimanded and censured for posting my thoughts about the Israelis. I am Jewish.
I was told, I was supposed to be polite and never raise any questions about what Israel has had to do with the retaliation of the Palestinians. Well….my answer which included everyone on the mailing list got quite a reply. It seems the “leaders” of the local Unitarian Universalists would rather stay mum on the subject and keep the status quo. I think they believe that …..”Let us not upset our “Jewish” friends. We have a hard enough time trying to convince the religious community that we are a “real” religion. So there!
This is the best article that I have ever read on the subject and if I thought I gave a damn….I would send this to the very folks that do not want to ever speak to me again.
Hey, Dogface, sorry you had such an experience with your local UUs. I have been able to actually bring discussion about this issue in my UU Fellowship by bringing a speaker who has been many times to Gaza and the West Bank to provide the people with medical aid. We have Jewish members. By the way, the community we are in is quite "right wing" and mostly evangelical christian so having such a speaker is fairly brave on our part. I plan to share this article far and wide and so should you!
:)
Joe
Unfortunately, one of the top goals of many churches is to please the donors. This is nothing new. A minister who is too adamant on behalf of the poor or the oppressed makes people uncomfortable. Clergy who speak out in ways that disturb the best-heeled parishoners risk being asked to leave by the church board. I have witnessed this twice in my own limited experience. I am sure these examples have a chilling effect.
By the way - Helen Thomas is a beautiful woman and a national treasure.
Joe
Truly excellent, eloquent piece by McGovern that points to the heart of the US's problem with the Muslim world. What it does not do, however--and perhaps did not intend to do, since it's a separate issue--is address the possibility of the crotch-bomber incident as a possible mini-LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) operation, nor the fact that Khalid Sheikh Mohammad's "confessions," like all the confessed "evidence" cited to support the govt's explanation of 9/11, were obtained under torture, and thus inadmissible as evidence in any court of justice worthy of the name. But while these two aspects of the question--namely, 1) Why do they hate us? and 2) Was (is) the government involved and/or responsible for these and other terrorist attacks?--may be separate, they are not, however, mutually exclusive. That is, even if Captain Crotchman was an unknowing patsy, he was still fulfilling a needed role. Like at least some of the 9/11 "culprits," his sincere wish to do harm is not in question, at least not for me. What does need to be done, however, is to distinguish the unambiguous attacks, like the al-Kalawi suicide bombing and other attacks on US military and/or intelligence personnel in Muslim countries, from those attacks that appear aided and abetted by US operatives. The root of the problem is, of course, American policy in Muslim land, as McGovern points out. And he has indicated elsewhere that he suspects foul play by the government in 9/11. Here, however, and just about everywhere else in the media since Christmas, the spectre of "terrorists trying to harm innocents" is back at center stage, uncritically asserted. Might the purpose of the crotch-bombing incident--if allowed to happen, as evidence would seem to indicate--actually be to lend credence to the invocation of the "terrorist threat," thus diverting attention away from general US wrongdoing in the conduct of this entire "long war" and, more specifically, away from the growing evidence of internal, domestic foul play in the watershed event of this whole conflict, the 9/11/01 attacks?
Helen Thomas asks: "Why do they hate us"?Instead of a long diatribe lets just keep it simple. One of the main reasons is the American government has not represented truth, justice and love of their fellow man for a long time and violence and hate of other countries that are anathema to U.S. hubris and hegemony begat violence and hate. One example: After the false flag Gulf of Tonkin attack, only 2 people in the senate saw it for what it was an voted against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution; namely Grueing of Alaska and Morse of Oregon, the other 533 senators voted for it, and this resulted in thousands of our soldiers killed not to mention millions of Vietnemese. There is your answer Helen!
>>533 senators<<? Wow, I missed that in the news.
Gary
Correction: ONLY 98 of them voted for the Viet Nam war out of 100!
> Obama gave a flaccid account of the intelligence screw-up that almost downed an airliner on Christmas Day.
Naive as I am, I thought that the plane was almost downed because a rich young Nigerian man, with a fundamentalist ideology and a will to murder 300 innocent men, boarded the flight with a sophisticated detonation device supplied by Al-Qaeda operatives. Thank you Ray McGovern for clarifying what hapenned. I now realize that the incident happened simply because of CIA screw-up...
The question "why do they hate us" is indeed an important question. I didn't find a single answer here that makes sense. And there is another important question, why does this hate get translated into acts of such ruthless violence?
Besides the fact that your post illustrates a horrific ability to communicate any cogent point as well as comprehend McGovern's essay, it also appears that your quaint naivety concerning the brutal and murderous behavior of the American Empire hellbent on the continued delivery of a bloodthirsty "exercise" known as Manifest Destiny is astonishing.
There are other views and I believe the facts support those views rather than the simplistic reasoning put forth in this article.
Perhaps America is not responsible for every one elses actions all the time? Did you ever question why these folks don't hold themselves to the same standard's they demand of us? Why are we supposed to treat their religion so differently than they treat others for instance?
Perhaps you could question the naive reasoning put forth for their murderous behavior?
No one is supporting anyone's murderous behavior, but rather asking the only question that really matters and that is Why? And a simple look at the history of the American Empire over the last century plus clearly illustrates the old dictum "violence begets violence." Take it back further to the invasion of the North American continent by Western Europe, the genocide of indigenous people, the slaughter and slavery of Africans, and on and on and on and on and on (and don't forget the three million+ Asians in Indochina and the only use of WMDs thirty years before that)... the history of this nation is one founded in murder and nurtured through more murder.
The Empire - bolstered by its vast military machine set on "kill" - is responsible for the deaths of untold thousands, hundreds of thousands in the Middle East over the last 20 years, and the American sheep are told to worry about shoe bombers and underwear bombers who WEREN'T EVEN SUCCESSFUL...
The USA remains the undefeated heavyweight champion of the world when it comes to terrorism.
"The evil I see wears a cloak of decency."
-Bob Dylan
berniewentboom
"the history of this nation is one founded in murder and nurtured through more murder"
Frankly I can't think of one nation thast wasn't founded under similar circumstances and maintained with force. Can you? All history in that instance is pretty much the same.
"the genocide of indigenous people, the slaughter and slavery of Africans"
So you feel the same way about Mexicans, South Americans, Middle Easterners, Europeans, etc, then? Check out the genocide of indigenous people by the Mayans, the Aztecs, etc. Most Africans were sold into slavery by Africans, Americans got approx. 2 million of the 12 million involved, what about those other 10 million? Who treated them better? I believe you'll find slaves in the South were treated far better than say in the Islands.
I am simply trying to point out the fallacy in trying to point fingers at America for instances that were not exclusive.
I'd suggest that we'd have to get very busy at being as bad as you say to catch up with the Japanese or Germans from the last World War even. History is tricky when its used to support ideology.
Look at how screwed up the Neocons were in their reasoning! Not to suggest you are in any way similar to that bunch of creeps.
I was simply trying to explain what I believe is the reason for the Terrorist's behavior and I simply don't think for a minute their motivation is anything but religious and their desire to take over and form an Islamic hegemony.
I appreciate your thoughtful and reasoned response.
Building Seven....
Yes, Building 7. Never forget.
Maybe this is Obama's "Just say 'No'." policy on curbing terrorism.
The answer to why they hate us is simple,, we are waging empire on the world.. Or world domination. However when you have a world wide empire you should reap some rewards such as England did when they were the empire of the world.. I do not see or feel the rewards of this countries empire. The Chinese seem to have the right way of stealing natural resources, they buy them, building hospitals, roads and the like in exchange for the raw materials they wish to get. You don,t hear of a lot a "terrorist" attacks on China. Hell they even bought one of the large oil fields in Iraq. And I guess they do not support the Israel war machine.
Oh yea I forgot the usa is owned by the military industrial complex. They must justify their existence to an ignorant amerikan public.
One curious fact I can not figure out. If you really want to set off a bomb on a plane, why would you do it in front of the passengers? Would you not go into the bathroom where you you could work without someone looking over your shoulder? But I guess one should not ask these questions in this country.
Support the EMPIRE send you Kids
Yes, and why would you explode it between your butt cheeks, which would simply allow the flesh of your body to absorb much of the explosion's initial energy? And why try to explode it upon descent, when the pressure difference between the inside and outside of the cabin is negligible, and a small hole in the side of the aircraft would probably not prevent a safe landing? It would make much more sense to set it off at maximum altitude, out of the view of the other passengers--say, in the restroom.
You must admit, Al Qaeda (also known as Abracadabra) just ain't what it used to be. From bringing down three tall skyscrapers with concrete-and-steel-pulverizing boxcutters and vaporizing two other planes with crackerjack flying maneuvers, they are now reduced to butt bombs (also called pooper poppers, in terrrist circles).
I guess the War on Terra must be working!
To get others to hear us, first we must hear others.
"Just days after 9/11, Congress authorized the use of force against al-Qaeda and those who harbored them — an authorization that continues to this day. The vote in the Senate was 98 to 0. The vote in the House was 420 to 1. For the first time in its history, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization invoked Article 5..."
The President said that. locust repeats it, because it is important to hear.
America has a bad code.
If you want to end the madness, help America see that it is stuck in an insane and DAFT war and it's the fault of Congress (except for Barbara Lee, my hero). There's a bug in the code, now, and America is getting sicker.
Fix the code and you change everything.
If you want to end the war -> repeal, overturn, at the very least mention in public, the flaw of a law that sets as the mission for the US military the 'prevention of future terrorism'.
What does the mouthpiece say above? "How do we identify someone before..."
Ah, that problem of identifying future terrorists and killing them, thus identifying them posthumously as terrorists.
Every country deals with future terrorism but only America declared war against it.
And that's DAFT.
Last word - so many Progressives bitch and moan about the President not listening.
Talk to him in his language and he will hear. He talks of laws. Talk about the law - Public Enemy #1, Public Law 107-40.
Very good point, locust. Take away Public Law 107-40, and Al Qaeda might just disappear.
This is a great piece.
My first question on learning of the 9/11 attack, written in my journal that morning, was, "Who did we piss off now?" (At the time, I did not even consider that it might have been an internal job.)
I still haven't gotten anything close to credible answers on my original question from the MSM, let alone how or why, though I've been looking for it ever since. A ten page lead article in Discover Magazine two years or so ago was all about "the terrorists." The magazine made mention of "ideological differences"--but never said what those differences were (even after my unpublished letter to the editor, inquiring about that--so much for scientific inquiry in the U.S.).
Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri explained it well enough, however, on numerous occasions: Our support of dictators in the Mideast, contributing to the death of half a million kids in Iraq, ripping off oil from their lands and selling it for a paltry price, desecrating Muslim holy lands, and of course supporting Israel (near as I can tell, because they are our connection to oil in the Mideast).
Praise to Helen Thomas and Ray McGovern for their persistent, prescient, courageous work.
Mr. McGovern trenchantly notes that "those who speak out can expect ugly accusations." No clearer example of this insightful statement can be seen in the latest issue of Vanity Fair where neoconservative Christopher Hitchens rips apart Gore Vidal for daring to state that the invasion of Afghanistan by the United States was done in order to protect a proposed pipeline in that country. Hitchens also slams Vidal for noting that 9/11 was probably an inside job.
Truth seekers like Ms. Thomas and Vidal will always be looked upon with disdain when their views are either ignored or held in high contempt. It is far easier to treat people like Helen Thomas and Gore Vidal with scorn and ridicule and to label them as crackpots than it is to air their serious concerns in a public forum where the public might actually think about the validity of their statements.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."- George Orwell
Wouldn't it be a hoot if the Fruit of the Loon's underwear contained sugar and not PETN?
They are both white crystalline substances.
I do hope the defence gets to examine the evidence independently, although I expect that if it were found to be sugar the evidence will have been expediently doctored by now -or destroyed as a hazard.
It might explain why he was allowed on board with so many red flags raised, plus the suggested assistance in boarding.
All sides, except the public and the airlines, would be well served if this were the case.
McGovern is essentially saying that a few terrorists from other countries should dictate our foreign policy?
I don't buy this 'poor palestinians' bull crap. Read history, it has been a long Arab strategy of trying to cut Israel off from trade(Israel is a trade dependent nation), shred is economy and force it to collapse under pressure. The terrorists want conquest.
Oh, and how would appeasement reduce terrorism? Terrorism is chosen as a tactic because it is believed to be effective. In terrorism works, then everyone with an agenda would use it. Our economy would be shredded and our way of life destroyed by every nut job with a grievance. Appeasing terror is not a sound policy.
Hey brain sturgen, what exactly do you think George W. Bush was doing when he pulled all of our troops out of Saudi Arabia? He was caving in to one of bin-Ladin's main demands! Just another American chest beater.
Wow, you should work for Fox News with bull crap like that. I got a secret for you; US personell still exist in Saudi Arabia! And as for the base closings I have another secret for you, they were moved next door to Iraq! You see the US was based in Saudi Arabia as a safe guard against Iraq, we invaded Iraq and therefore no longer needed the bases. Wow you're special.
So you're saying that even though dumb W did exactly what Osama Bin Laden demanded, it isn't the same as compliance because he invaded Iraq in order to do it.
He didn't. Osama demanded the US remove all personnel from Saudi Arabia(which it hasn't) stop dealing and supporting the Saudi Monarchy(it hasn't) stay out of middle eastern affairs(it hasn't) stop supporting Israel(it hasn't) stop supporting India(it hasn't) stop supporting all secular regimes in the Arab world(it hasn't) and end sanctions against Iraq(it hasn't).
Oh, and don't forget Osama's number one demand is for us to convert to Islam.
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I would suggest to you that you notice the terroists are not just attacking America, they are attacking the West and many other religions as a matter of course.
Of course appeasement doesn't reduce terroism.
"Terrorism is chosen as a tactic because it is believed to be effective. In terrorism works, then everyone with an agenda would use it."
Believed to be? Looks like its been working fairly well so far to my aged eyes. Thats what winning looks like to me. And they are winning at the moment in my opinion.
Actually, they have only only attacking the USA and USA collaborators, and mostly only US military occupation targets.
As far as "America" not a single attack has been made against any of our neighbors to the south or north. There were those train bombings in Madrid, but as Al Qaeda promised, nothing since Spain pulled out of the so-called coalition.