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Reports on Coping with Anguish for a World in Collapse
“I don’t have anything to say that hasn’t been said many times over the centuries.”
That may have been the most insightful response to my essay asking
people to report on how they cope with the anguish of living in a world in
collapse. 
That simple statement is a reminder that (1) the social and ecological crises we face have been building for a long time and (2) the best of our traditions have, for a long time, offered wisdom useful in facing those crises. The unjust social systems and unsustainable ecological practices of contemporary society started with the agricultural revolution 10,000 years ago, when humans began dominating each other and the planet in evermore destructive fashion, and intensified dramatically over the 250 years of the industrial revolution. (For a historical perspective, see “The delusional revolution”.)
And for nearly that long, some people have resisted the power of elites and tried to protect the land. (For a contemporary example, see “Where agriculture meets empire.”)
So, we struggle in the moment with complex problems that defy simple solutions -- problems that may be beyond our capacity to solve in any meaningful way. But describing the basics needed for a better world is not difficult if we draw on that wisdom. Here’s my condensed version:
We need to transcend systems rooted in human arrogance and greed that lead us to believe that any individual is more valuable than another, that any group of people should dominate another group, or that people have a right to exploit the living world without regard for the consequences for the ecosystem. Because each of us has within us the capacity for constructive and destructive actions -- for good and evil -- our collective task is to shape a society that helps us act with caution and compassion.
This radical message of humility and solidarity comes from a deep conception of respect: Respect for oneself, for other people, for other living things, and for the earth as a living system. That message animates the best of our philosophy, theology, poetry, and politics, and it was at the heart of nearly all the 300 responses to my essay. This notion of respect wasn’t defined as “being nice” or “not being judgmental.” Respect takes work -- to understand the other, make judgments, and engage constructively when there are disagreements or conflicting needs.
Along with those calls for love, there was a lot of anger in the responses, much of it directed at elites -- the politicians, business executives, and media propagandists who so often not only promote arrogant and greedy behavior over humility and solidarity, but also rationalize and prop up the political/economic/social systems in which the destructive behavior is fostered.
And many wrote that the while the anger we may feel toward elites is justified, we have to start with self-critique and examine our own place in these systems. For example, the anger toward BP officials over the “hole in the world” at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico co-exists with the recognition that we all live somewhere in the system that demands that oil:
“I speak of the oil spill going on and I acknowledge how implicated I am in it. My lifestyle -- despite efforts to eat wild foods, look at waste streams as resources, and live frugally -- depends heavily on oil. It’s like there are these [oil] stains on my hands, all over my hands, my body and the ground around me.”
In such a world, it is easy for those of us who live in affluent societies to be drained by an awareness of all this:
“My personal ambition seems to decrease in proportion to the increase in world suffering. I think that’s part of my emotional reaction to crisis. I don’t think I am fully alive. I’m not depressed, just weirdly diminished.”
Why would someone feel diminished today? For almost all of the people who responded, the heart of their struggle was in the realization that the human species, locked into industrial societies dependent on high-energy/high-technology systems to produce food and fuel, is on a path leading to the edge of a cliff. No one offered predictions for an end time, but:
“[W]hat I see as the reality of our situation -- ecologically, politically, economically, and culturally -- is that we are in the last days of our species, and I just don’t know what to do with that. The emotions are much too powerful, the grief, the sense of doom -- how does one deal with the real possibility of the extinction of not just millions of species, but of one’s own species?”
Feeling isolated but resolved to act
Where does that reality leave us emotionally? My essay inquired specifically about the feelings that accompany the intellectual understanding that we live in a world in collapse. That question led not only to descriptions of those emotions, but strategies for dealing with them. No single comment could sum up so many different people’s responses, but this one comes close:
“So I feel hopeless. I feel sad. I feel amused at the absurdity of it all. I feel depressed. I feel enraged. I feel guilty and I feel trapped. Basically the only reason why I’m still alive is because there are enough amazing people and things in my life to keep me going, to keep me fighting for what matters. I’m not even sure how to fight yet, but I know that I want to.”
One common response was gratitude for having a place to communicate these thoughts without worrying about being ridiculed. Many wrote about how isolated they felt, even from friends and family who don’t want to talk about these matters and either deny there are reasons to be concerned or ignore the evidence:
“I’m a drug addict with over 20 years clean, and I know all about using up my future and farting out lame excuses. I promised myself an honest life to stay clean, and the double-edged sword is that I started seeing just how much our culture swims in denial.”
Pressing these importance questions about systemic failure and collapse leads to resistance from others, who then assert that the real problem is anyone who wants to talk about collapse:
“I have been writing for a year and a half on a lot of things as it pertains to humanity’s lack of awareness and the potential to reconnect before we destroy the earth and each other. People get angry at me for it and call me ‘dark’ and ‘negative’ and ‘sinful’ telling me to instead move to the ‘light,’ ‘positive’ and ‘love.’ Whatever.”
Some see a general “desensitization to the destruction of our planet [that] is nothing short of heart breaking” and worry about what the loss of the capacity for empathy means:
“It is considered feminine and naive to care about trees or animals. … In addition, it is also considered weak and feminine to empathize or display a proper emotion. We are becoming a nihilistic culture which is creating citizens who are numb to their emotions. This is doing us all a disservice. We are missing out on our bodily wisdom and becoming less and less in tune with our earth.”
Though people have different views on the role of high-technology responses to ecological collapse, everyone who wrote recognized that more gadgets aren’t going to save us:
“I have thought for a long time that the human species, notwithstanding its endless self-flattery, really is not very intelligent. One of the signs of its stupidity is, in fact, the very way that it equates intelligence with technological prowess.”
One of the most compelling comments on advanced technology came from a doctoral student in engineering at a prestigious university:
“I have come to this firm conclusion that any more technological development is purely unnecessary and technological progress is hyper-glorified by the developed countries just as a tool to continue their agenda of robbing the resources of our planet from the third world (and perhaps soon from neighboring astronomical bodies, too). And what is glorified as the rational, intellectual research that folks like me are doing over here is just a means towards facilitating this robbing activity; this implicit imperialism; this invisible killing of our planet earth.”
People also recognize the inadequacy of technological solutions to the end of cheap, plentiful energy. While endorsing more research on alternatives to coal, oil, and natural gas, those who wrote to me were wary of claims that alternatives can magically replace the concentrated energy of fossil fuels and allow us to motor on in our affluence:
“[T]he only way that the terrible catastrophes on the way could have been softened would have been for everyone on the planet to have dropped business as usual 10 or 20 years ago, and to have started retooling all of society while there was still a reasonable surplus of high EROEI (energy return on energy investment) fossil fuel left to power the *energetically* costly conversion process of re-engineering energy production, housing, cities, suburbs, farming, fishing, and transport. That didn’t happen. And having lived through the period, it would have been completely impossible to motivate in the first or third world. But just as important, it is *even more* unlikely that this will begin to happen now. This is because growing energy scarcity will cut into our flexibility as people scramble to prop up floundering systems.”
In addition to these critiques of life in the affluent world, many wrote of the grotesque disparities in wealth in the world today. As we struggle with fears of the future, billions of people cope with severe limitations in the present:
“[W]e in the U.S. are essentially living behind a military barricade. I heard a quote recently that ‘collapse means having the same lifestyle as the people who grow your coffee.’ I really, really liked that.”
And in many of the critiques of the affluent First World, there was an understanding that the heart of the problem is the United States:
“Americans today are living with a profound and apparently irreconcilable disparity between what we say we are, and what we actually are. Between the promise of democracy and the reality of a crumbling empire. The result of this schism, I believe, is the national equivalent of a disassociated personality. And it’s not just our shared history of betrayal and abuse that has caused it. It’s the myth of freedom as well. In the mythology of freedom, democracy was supposed to empower us all to make a change for the better.”
Although some wrote with certainty about their conclusions, more people expressed confusion and weariness over the effort needed to understand such a complex world:
“I spend a lot of time in my own head going back and forth over theories, philosophies, etc. Pretty much going through a process once a month of discarding everything I thought I knew and re-learning it. While this may be a good thing in the future, it does not feel good now. Sometimes it makes me feel like I am alone and lost and that I can’t find any truth in anything because I have so many different voices telling me what is right and wrong. Yet, I can never stop going back and looking at what’s happening to this real, physical, lovely and loving planet and feel outrage, sorrow, and confusion and why this culture is so insane.”
Even with all this talk of their own struggles, the people who wrote were not asking others to feel sorry for them. Instead, the focus was outward, on how this affects others. That was clear in the comments not only of parents and grandparents, but also of people who chose not to have children -- what is the fate of future generations?
“Being the parent of a young child right now is a mixed blessing: He’s my reason for waking up every morning and doing whatever it takes to keep up some semblance of normalcy, but it also frightens and worries me deeply when I think about his future.”
In the face of challenges that feel overwhelming -- in the face of problems that may have no solutions -- what should we do? Very few of the people who wrote suggested we should give up; most are committed to action:
“I guess the best thing we can do … point out problems, suggest solutions, work for radical system changes and not just reforms that too often are more cosmetic than substantial, and above all: keep the faith ... and we need to project to others that we have the faith, or get the hell out of the work and retire or just wait for Armageddon.”
Many responses focused on the need not only to act collectively but also to reduce our consumption individually:
“I read a statement in the book Hard Times by Studs Terkel that I really liked: ‘Security is knowing what I can do without.’ Every day, I find something new that I can do without. My fiancé and I now grow much of the food we eat, we purchase necessities only, we shop at the Goodwill.”
and learn skills that have atrophied all too quickly in an affluent, high-energy culture:
“I’m not an old hippie that wants to return to sex, drugs and rock and roll on the commune. … I believe in hierarchy, rules and skills, but we must start something new, difficult and dangerous. We must also learn to not trust power and create small, subsistence communities. Instead of trying to mend the empire we should be teaching ourselves skills of our rural grandparents.”
Tipping points and panic
But still the question haunts us: What if the unsustainable systems in which we live are beyond the point of no return? There certainly are rational reasons to assume that we are past a tipping point.
For example, the March 2005 report of the United Nations’ Millennium Ecosystem Assessment, based on the work of 1,300 researchers from 95 countries who spent four years examining 24 ecosystems worldwide, offered this “stark warning”:
“Human activity is putting such strain on the natural functions of Earth that the ability of the planet’s ecosystems to sustain future generations can no longer be taken for granted. … Nearly two thirds of the services provided by nature to humankind are found to be in decline worldwide. In effect, the benefits reaped from our engineering of the planet have been achieved by running down natural capital assets.” http://www.
millenniumassessment.org/ documents/document.429.aspx.
This kind of knowledge can be so overwhelming that people feel it’s not safe to open up emotionally:
“I would like to mourn but have not been able to let my guard down. I could understand 9/11, but now I am witnessing the destruction of the planet and I don't understand the magnitude of what that means. I feel on edge. I feel like I am waiting for the other shoe to drop.”
How to live in that world and remain fully engaged, intellectually and emotionally? This comment sums up the task and a path:
“Recently several of our visionary thinkers have moved from the illusion that ‘we have 10 years to turn this around.’ They now say clearly that ‘we cannot stop this momentum.’ It takes courage and faith to speak so plainly. What can we do in the face of this truth? We can sit face to face and find the ways, often beyond words, to explore the reality that we are all refugees, swimming into a future that looks so different from the present. We can find pockets of community where we can whisper our deepest fears about the world. We can remain committed to describing the present with exceptional truth. We can cultivate a practice that enables us to witness suffering with hearts and minds open and with our faces turned toward one another.”
It would be easy to close on that note, blunt but positive. But for many, that kind of approach is difficult. I sent my essay to a political activist who is one of the most well-informed people I know in matters concerning politics and ecology. His response:
“I guess my emotional reaction is actually to suppress the emotional reaction. … [P]anic, which would probably be the emotional reaction, is something to be deferred until the situation is relatively safe. So I try to think about what is to be done and can be done, and promise myself that if we do get past these crises, I will enjoy the moment to panic about how dangerous a situation we were in.”
My response:
“I understand what you say, but it seems to me that an appreciation of the nature of the crises is necessary for sensible strategy, and I don’t know how to engage that intellectually without having emotional reactions. … My fear is that if we don’t discuss it, those of us struggling with these emotions will fade away from collective action. So, instead of this kind of discussion necessarily leading to political paralysis, I think it can prevent paralysis in some people.”
My friend didn’t contest my analysis: “I don’t advocate for my emotional response, but it is what it is.”
Though he didn’t argue with me, I didn’t feel as if I had won an argument. Emotions are what they are, and we don’t “win” by telling people what they should feel. It’s enough of a struggle to understand what I feel and why I feel it; I don’t think I’m qualified to dictate to others what they should feel. In dealing with multiple crises on all fronts -- economic, political, cultural, and ecological failures that pose a significant threat to human life as we understand it -- it’s folly for any one of us to imagine we figured out the right approach, or that there is a single right approach, or that there is any right approach at all.
The only thing I’m sure of is that, to quote singer/songwriter John Gorka, “the old future’s gone.” The future of endless bounty for all, which some once imagined would be the product of the application of human reason to problems of the world, is not the future we face. How can we open a conversation about what’s coming when so much is unknown and so many resist? Rather than pontificate, I will end with the reflections of an elder:
“I’m about to celebrate my 70th birthday. I live in a rural intentional community, close to land that feeds us and supports us. I’ve lived long enough now to be very aware of how different the world has become, how the cycles of nature are off kilter, how the seasons and the climate have shifted. My garden tells me that food doesn’t grow in quite the same patterns, and we either get weeks of rain or weeks of heat and drought. This is the second year in a row that our apple trees do not have apples on them. But most people get their food in grocery stores where the apples still appear, and food still arrives, in season and out, from all over the world. This will soon end, and people won’t understand why. They don’t see the trouble in the land as I and my friends do. I grieve daily as I look on this altered world. My grandchildren are young adults who think their lives will continue as they have been. Who will tell them? They can’t hear me. They, and many others, will have to see the changes for themselves, as I have. I can’t imagine that anything else will convince them. My grief for the world, and for them, is compounded by this feeling of helplessness because there is no way we can have the collective action you speak of when the ‘collective’ is still in denial. Thank you for listening.”


75 Comments so far
Show Allso close, but no mention of private property...
read the article again, but this time, keep the underlying concept of private property at the front of your mind, and see how many of the comments might relate...
DUBET: Every animal seeks, finds, and builds its private nest. I think home/property IS basic to human beings. In Peru, I saw lots of Adobe homes... the clay soil is mixed with hay and left to bake in the sun for a year! It takes another year to assemble the blocks, and sometimes another year to get the roof secured.
The problem (as per private property) is one of scale. Why should a warrior like John McCain have 7 homes? Why should Al Gore have a home with how many square feet? The problem is that of economic hocus pocus that usually allows the elites to come up with legal-sounding policies that engineer wealth to aggregate upwards... what trickles down is the sewage, mostly. With Wall St/casino capitalism divesting assets of worth, the bastards in charge now see fit to sell things as sacred as our national parks. THAT is an outrage! Let all those who suppported these policies see THEIR assets stripped, before what belongs to THE people is put on the auction block to become abused by the ecologically-repugnant likes of BP and its oily rivals.
If there were wealth caps, sane tax policies, a caring conservation applied to land usage, and a society that had a modicum of spirituality, then all this seizing of assets, along with overuse/abuse of resources for transitory gains and outrageous ostentation would be impossible.
Lots of decent people trade their labors/time on earth to own a little home and I see NOTHING wrong with that. It's when real estate turns into a virtual new Enclosure Movement, where the wealthy become landlords and the rest of us serfs that too much has gone to rot in the present "Denmark."
I really LIKE the fact that I own my very modest place and can shut the door and thus far keep the world away... that I have a little garden, and that the roof holds off the rain. It was once said that a home is a man's castle... this is the last bastion of sovereignty in a nation gone/run amok.
I wonder how many families would be willing to relocate to live a simple and self sufficient lifestyle that Souix Rose alludes to from her recent visit to Peru.
I think competitive nest building is one of the dominant drives throughout the ages and it seems to resurface in the elite of state capitalist or communist societies. I don’t believe that we can legislate equality but we could do allot to derail corporate personhood and empire building if we were willing to share. Does living under the nuclear umbrella protect our status or is it used to bully the many state actors to secure resources for our ‘good life’. Perhaps people should have the same freedom of movement as money not so they can breed like feral cats but so they can enrich our communities.
Likewise the negative externalities of present business practices all over the world and in all types of political systems could be brought into the cost equation. Tax carbon. This does not require one world government or the unravelling of our varied cultures only sensible international agreements.
I agree with Justice Arcs that a better society is possible now.
Glendon Wayne
"I wonder how many families would be willing to relocate to live a simple and self sufficient lifestyle that Souix Rose alludes to from her recent visit to Peru."
How many families can you convince to even think about it? In the recent news, the heat wave in the Northeast should have been a wakeup call that we will have to learn to live just like Peru but instead people keep demanding more A/C backups. I understand that getting used to 100 degrees in the Northeast isn't easy for more people there but few want to try.
"Tax carbon."
Add sulfur to taxation idea.
What seems impossible now, will become fairly easy after "The Change" occurs. It's only hard to jump off the boat & swim for a lifeboat, when it still seems the boat is sailing along alright. Right now people think we're "just riding the swells".
GW NORTH/EPIE/JUSTICE: You all make good points, none of which I am in disagreement with. I like the idea of PODS... that is, communities centered around an ideal or area of collective research/inspiration, a "Manhattan Project style residential pool." Imagine what a collective of inventors (focused on new energy systems) might brainstorm? What a collective of artists might produce?
I am not against private property, the idea of a home. If the land is leased for 99 years, that's fine. I think the problem is one of scale as I related. We live in a nation where some reside in 40,000 square feet homes while hundreds are homeless a mile away. The laws of distribution have been badly mangled, twisted, and perverted by big money as it has learned the ease with which politicians can be bought so that laws can be passed that cause wealth to be held in fewer and fewer hands, while misery is spread far too equitably around.
Peace, brothers.
I agree with your comments about animals looking for private nests and the scale of those nests. I think if people would simply and honestly pick the smallest dwelling that meets their needs we would be happier has a society and individuals. My wife and I downsized our house and are much happier. Less clutter, and it is much cheaper and easier to take care of.
There was no "Private property" prior to the arrival of the Europeans, yet the Aboriginals still had homes.
When Dubet speaks of "Private property" it my belief he speaks of the system that allows a person to COLLECT and acquire property for the SELF and then claim that as PRIVATE property that belongs to HIM/HER they can do with it as they please.
Now on reserves in Canada one still can not own "Private property". The land belongs to the tribe collectively. There a home development near where I live in North Vancouver called "Raven Woods" where people can buy and live in homes. They in truth do not OWN The home or the land on which it is built. (Generally they work under the principle of it being elased for said persons lifetime or 99 years)
This does not mean that they can be kicked out at anytime or that the Tribe can simply turn them out if they suddenly "change their minds" and decide a Golf Course more profitable.
It means one can not sell the house to developers in Europe or the USA who will then convert it to a Walmart. It means you can not count on your son or daughter "inheriting the land" and then trying to convert it into a health spa.
A nation can remove the concept of "Private property" yet still allow people to have homes and privacy in those homes. What is needed is for a population to start thinking "This land is not MINE. It belongs to the EARTH and to our community collectively and because it is not MINE it my moral duty to preserve it as best as I am able for those that come after me , be they people , plant or animal"
thank you...
this is closer to what I mean...
I believe the whole mindset of property ownership leads directly to horrible things between peoples and to the living world, due to the economic activity (in the form of resource control, industrial activity, and chemical alteration, maintenance and destruction) fundamentally required by such a system to avoid both the physical challenges and social torpedoes of homelessness, incarceration, or murder...
this mindset is also what allows us to purchase products from unknown locales, utterly ignoring the conditions under which they were made or transported, socially or chemically...to purchase and use any and every product we desire that runs on electricity, and feel justified in doing so, no matter how, or where, the power comes from, leaving a planet drained for production, and reeling from growing mountains and cesspools of toxic wastes...
there is also a general air of living 'above', of letting someone else do life's hard, dirty, unpleasant work, or suffer the hits of one's own consumptive desires, as long as one has the money to compensate...as if their lot...
that we throw societal expectation into the mix leads to my nephew joining the military's heroin and killing business because it's the quickest way to secure a chunk of cash, thereby, respect...and quite possibly getting it...sweet jesus...
this is insane...the living planet must regain primacy, or we are lost, if we are not already...each individual must reclaim the responsibilities of their own daily lives, and work with neighbors to provide for all...
as gwnorth implies, there is a negative, flip side to private property that leads to legal impotence and planetary exhaustion...
as we see on the beaches of the south, traumatic, lethal physical devastation and force on the corporate side is countered by protest, or legal action, on the side of the citizen? the guns win...
corporate is unstoppable while money is required...people will work in any capactiy for survival and status, even to their own environmental ruin...I am harming, and killing, my own family every day, indirectly, by participating, yet my family goes homeless, or worse, and suffers enormous loss of status and esteem, if I attempt to withdraw...if I simply lose my position...
if the land were seen as common, and efforts to maintain lauded, we might see different things happen...
I know people like much of what currently is...so do I...on the other hand, I like oil-free oceans...can't live without them...
what if what we selectively like is the problem? could we learn to like another way? there are appealing aspects...or could be...a local, natural way? the rising of the individual, the rejoining of the living world?
we could simply agree to negate current infrastructures, and start something better...say, on September 22, 2012...?
I'm rambling, and need to work...
peace, to all of you...
enjoy a free relaxing musical vacation on me...my laid-back, homegrown music...while technology lasts...
http://www.davenjulieboles.com
White, rich, blond, ageing chick with usurped Native American name Siouxrose:
Now that you've traded in your stocks for real estate to rent out and make money off, you rail against Wall Street and advocate private property...
Recalling your descriptions that you've bought multiple houses for yourself to let out and profit from after selling your stocks, your "Why should a warrior like John McCain have 7 homes? Why should Al Gore have a home with how many square feet?" - sounds a lot like 'petite bourgeoisie' envy.
Your aggressively defensive "I really LIKE the fact that I own my very modest place and can shut the door and thus far keep the world away" sounds even more so.
You want yours, but noone else should have theirs, right?
As astrologer you'll surely rationalize: it's in your stars, but not in theirs...
Egalitarianism seems not in your stars. Except when you want something others have, probably.
Your attitudes are the self-righteous problem of USA which Jensen's article describes as depressing.
Who can get us all off the runaway death train when there is no brakeman, no honest and dutiful switchman? In so many different voices this article points to what is felt, a terrible foreboding for the near and middle future, and what positive actions can be utilized to mitigate the worst of it. Sonny Terry and Brownie McGee sang about corrupt and dishonest leaders, with viewpoints diametrically opposed, both " claiming god is on their side, so we know somebody lied. " Who will tell the people?
Anthropocentric: considering man to be the most significant entity in the universe.
Sorry I'm with those who think Mother Earth will eliminate human's because they we're an evolutionary dead-end. In the meantime, eat, drink, and be merry for tommorrow we die.
The last entry by the 70 year old rural dweller is very alarming. This is the kind of primary data we need lots more of. I'm not kidding when I say we need to appeal to "the unseen ones" who've always been our partners in this project called "life"; call them what you will: angels, the devtas of nature, sylphs, thunderers/thunderbeings/thunderbirds. We need a "findhorn garden" on a global scale, with "manhattan project" intensity. We basically need to humbly request their assistance to help solve our dilemma, and respectfully accept whatever advice is silently whispered back to us. If enough people do this, maybe they'll respond.
INB: I agree. I just spent 12 days in Peru. About 150 people from ALL over the world spent their afternoons (when not climbing some very challenging mountains) with shaman sitting in reverent ceremony. The shaman experience levels of sentience that are totally outside of the cognitive range of most persons living typical Western existences, their "experts" included.
I sent out an email yesterday to everyone I know who cares about the earth (and is spiritually open)... asking that CIRCLES be formed on 7/11, new moon eclipse, where people can call upon the elemental kingdoms, offer prayers, gratitude, and ask for direction in any and every way possible to heal the Earth. The awakened ones must find ways to work to diminish current trends (of ecocide), and help offset the enormous suffering and phenomenal disruptions to life as we've known it that will otherwise soon prove inevitable. Just as BP and our "government" demonstrate, they are impotent when it comes to cleaning up the mess they've caused in the Gulf, ditto the aftermath of Katrina... this YOY strategy (with a little help from the higher kingdoms) may be all that we've got.
Information coming from intelligent mother earth and her plants is mighty potent... We have what we need to face the difficulties of these times, provided that we open up to mother nature and listen.
Sandra Ingerman's "Transmutation News" is a good resource... Also, Susun Weed.
OK 7/11. I'll be there. I made an offering last week (just felt a need to do so ). I'll make another one on 7/11. I won't say any more about it.
I'm the "70 year old rural dweller" you refer to. My response to Robert Jensen was about my grief, which is what he had asked for. But I would like to add that the Earth is also teaching me and my community-mates much about how to live on this changing planet. One of those things is the spiritual nature of the universe. I love the Findhorn concepts, and regularly ask the nature/garden spirits, whatever that means, for help, and thank them, also. We are learning much. Even though I'm seeing the "primary data" of change, as in our apple trees, I'm also rejoicing in a summer of abundant berries, wild and cultivated. With more and more people learning to cooperate with one another, and with what we humans are slowly learning about how to live like good Earth dwellers, I feel little surges of hope now and then, especially when I hear about others who are staying mentally and spiritually alive and learning. We humans can't figure this out by ourselves. We absolutely need help from realms beyond our small capacities, whatever that means. Thank you for saying so.
I appreciate what you had to say, purplehawk, and like that Jensen ended his piece with your quote.
In my experience, many many people struggle with the questions and emotions that you and I and all the others who responded, do.
Recently, I wrote a response to a member of the choir (e.g. one who intuits the problems we face) and suggested that although the answer may lie in walking away from the culture we have created, no one seems to know just how to do that. Even those who intuit and see and know, don't know how not to keep doing what we've been doing. We are that immersed in this culture.
I agree with what you wrote in Jensen's piece: We really can't tell young people what is coming - they are too into the beginning of their own lives. They will have to find out when it happens, same as us. What I believe we can do, and what you are doing (and I, to some degree), is modeling a way that may be a healthy alternative to what is. Time will tell.
In the final analysis, what will be will be, but we can do something now to help it "be" something sustainable.
In the mean time, thank you for doing what you do, and especially for caring enough to be concerned.
Purplehawk, thank you for your contribution to Jensen's piece, and for your comment here. I'm "only" 58 and still have seen many changes to this beautiful place I live though if one isn't paying attention they may not notice them at all. There are massive changes caused by overdevelopment as well as climate changes over the past decade or so. What I especially am grateful for is your bringing up the spiritual nature of the universe, something that most people just don't acknowledge. I do, and I bring it up often in my writing and the work I've done over the past 20+ years. Some people get it, because they've experienced it, and though their language may differ from mine they resonate with the feeling and understand we're talking about basically the same thing. But most people, whether left, right, or center, simply discount this reality and then discount anything I say from that point forward. My children are young adults, and my grandchildren are young children and I ache for them as well. I know the world they will inherit will be depleted and very different from the one I and even my kids inherited. Some of my more optimistic friends insist there will still be a viable planet when my grandkids are my age, that there will still be beauty and wildlife, but I'm not so sure. It is not a given, in any case. My hope, when I feel it, is in the very spiritual nature of the universe and of the Earth. Participating in the life/spirit of Earth is the essense of what it means to be a human being. It is our birthright. And I know, deep down, that if enough of us woke up to that reality, and began living our lives in that context, things would turn around, and do so in a way that defies logic and rationality. Because it's not just humans making things happen. It's all of life.
"My fear is that if we don’t discuss it, those of us struggling with these emotions will fade away from collective action."
We can discuss this ad nauseum but still refuse collective action. This is the US where collective action has been abandoned even by the Left. The only collective action I see are from the big businesses against us.
"In dealing with multiple crises on all fronts -- economic, political, cultural, and ecological failures that pose a significant threat to human life as we understand it -- it’s folly for any one of us to imagine we figured out the right approach, or that there is a single right approach, or that there is any right approach at all."
There doesn't have to be a perfectly right approach but there could be approach that is best and agreed upon by the majority. For the approach to be the truly best approach for not only us but other living creatures as well, collective and thoughtful thinking is needed. If everyone goes their own way on the approach, then the elites win everytime. Unfortunately, collective thinking was never terribly popular even before 1980. The Reagan/Bush2 ideology, however, saw to it that the Left would be divided on keeping the idea or abandoning it altogether. This isn't to say that I do not believe in individual responsibility. I most certainly do and I don't blame others for asking him about it. I definitely believe in both collective and individual action. Individual action should no doubt be done as much as possible and collective action reserved where necessary. There can be several great individual actions for ideas but without more people sharing those ideas so that more people could do more great ideas that were shared among everyone, individual actions alone will not make a difference. All of us here on CD can do our part but without everyone else getting motivated into trying out our ideas such as neighborly gardening, what we do will have no impact on society whatsoever and we will be made to look like leftouts.
What I find so disturbing about the responses so far, which was reflected in Vandana Shiva's emotional rant at a scientific writer in Democracy Now this morning, is that no one is aknowleging the practical, physical aspects of their in their own lives that are problem.
The problem - AGW and the Gulf of Mexico oil catastrophe, US imperialism and resource-wars is actually pretty damn simple:
1. Electric generation using fossil fuels
2. Cars and trucks
3. Aircraft
People, or organizations, can plant all the organic gardens, and go on all the sporitual quests in the world, but if they involve any but the most necessary, irreducable use of the above 3 things, they are the problem, not the solution. Sorry for sounding so hard-nosed about this.
Carpooling can be done on the first two. For the third one, replace that with trains and leave the aircrafts for crossing the ocean. Actually, replace all three with trains and it should cover most of it. Trains are symbolic of collective action while the first two are symbolic of being too individual in nature.
Actually, it is a relatively simple matter to modify a city wher no cars are needed at all. Outside of rural areas, the privte automobile is a totally contrived, manufactured "convienience" - starting in the 1920's, business interests forced a complete re-do of city and inter-city infrastructure to force people into private csrs.
The only thing I use a car for, with no alternatives available, is for is outdoor recreation - getting to hiking areas or mostly in my case, hang gliding areas and getting retrieved from cross-country flights, but even here, there are alternatives. The Toronto Star announced that ther will now be bus service from Toronto to Algonquin Provincial Park - the bus will presumably stop at all the popular lakes and trail heads. Every city should have this.
Why even use aircraft for most transoceanic travel? If it takes 5-7 days to get somwewhere, so what? I imagine that with modern materials, hydrodynamic design and meterology, we could build some very fast high-tech sailing ships.
Ther is such a lack of imagination! The world created by the capitalists, for optimization of capitalist accumulation, is NOT the only world possible! In fact, it is an utterly MAD world -
a state of Koyyanisquatsi!**
Another world is not only possible, it is utterly necessaty.
**a good film - look it up
As I told Erroll earlier, we could have have railroads all the way out in the rural areas of the country but Big Auto killed it all. I saw your ideas of getting more people to live in the city and skip the suburbs and rural areas. Most of rural America has been depopulated and it is already expected that 80% of the population in the US will live in the suburbs and cities. If Peak Oil followed by Peak Coal hits sooner than expected, we'll have to be dead serious about restricting travel in general unless they can ride horses like my niece and I. I think horses should be made available as an option in rural areas. As for ships, I hadn't thought about fast high tech but wouldn't they pollute the waters some unless they were steam engine powered? I'll check the film out.
The passenger airline industry could be put out of business by something as simple as ending the tax deduction for business travel. Well, I guess that's really not that simple.
"People, or organizations, can plant all the organic gardens, and go on all the sporitual quests in the world, but if they involve any but the most necessary, irreducable use of the above 3 things, they are the problem, not the solution. Sorry for sounding so hard-nosed about this."
At times, I have felt this way as well. While I certainly feel that we must all take some responsibility (and have been attacked and misconstrued for saying so), I agree with Jensen's point that no one really knows the solution. Perhaps that is because there is no one solution. Perhaps there are as many solutions as there are people.
As far as my own life - I use at least the first two items in your list and very rarely the third. Personally, I don't know how not to do without them - at least, not yet.
IMO, the human brain has a fault: Once it has learned something, it cannot un-learn it. It doesn't seem to matter whether we find out that what we have learned is harmful - if we like how it feels, if it keeps us fed, if the culture dictates this is the way it is, then seems almost impossibly difficult for us to disassociate ourselves from it. There have been a very, very few who have been able to withdraw (the Buddha, Ghandi, Jesus?), but who amongst the "great unwashed" can do the same?
My solution - and it is right only from my own perspective - is to do what I am able to at any given time and to strive to do better tomorrow. I honestly don't know what else I can do. Actually, there is one more thing which Jensen's piece shows me: I can keep up the conversation with the choir. The choir knows. As individuals we may each only have a piece of the puzzle, but as a whole, a collective, we can (as in, we have the ability to) fit them together. In doing so, we may have a chance for a future.
I agree with you and Jenson that there are many solutions. What is missing is taking all solutions into consideration and finding consensus on how to approach. No one person can handle every solution. Don't get me wrong. I do believe in individual actions and never give up doing my part but for some actions, only cooperation and team work will do. I wished this country wouldn't look at collective action with taboo. Sometimes, I get worried that even good progressives are falling into that trap.
You make a good point on the human brain. I attempt to learn from many sources and try not to limit what I learn. Learning the thinking of most progressive commentators here has had some impact on the way I see politics. However, I think I might have peaked in my abilities to be like them and have gotten into trying to learn ways to unite practical liberals and progressives on issues they can agree on. I can't say everyone else will learn in the same direction.
Tom Bearden & a whole crew of other researchers/inventors have solved #1. we don't need fossilfuels or nuclear to rotate the rotor within the stator to generate electricity in amazing abundance (it also helps solve #2 & #3). these same generators can power de-salting plants 24/7 on the coasts to supply plenty of fresh water from this "water planet" on which we live & depend, & from which they can make hydrogen fuel for vehicles. Cities can be re-designed and made much more compact, with their own farm/gardens. We can help nature reclaim the ugly sprawl of the old obsolete cities. We can build a global, comprehensive mag-lev train system and tie the Americas, Eurasia & Africa together with an alaska-siberia underwater tunnel, putting airplanes and ships out of business. We wouldn't even need ports & coastal cities anymore, so we can help nature reclaim all the wetland/coastal areas. Deserts can be transformed into grasslands/forests with the newly de-salted water. After glass-steagall is restored & the banksters are shut down & our phony indebtedness to them is repudiated,& we re-establish a fixed-exchange rate, we can have our gov't form the "capital budget" to finance this massive restoration/reconstruction puplic works project with 100% totally fiat Lincoln-style sovereign greenbacks(its' value is guaranteed by, actually, the same thing that guarantees ALL money,even gold: the creative ingenuity of the mass of humanity that is working for it to produce this REAL wealth I've described).
ALL of the solutions are already here. I believe we will soon start resorting to them. The obstacles in the way are aleady self-destructing. We just have to prevent them from dragging us down with them, into a new dark-age, where we will have start all over again "re-inventing the wheel". The transition will be rough.
Sabocat: I 2nd those 3.
But the main global problem is a still deeper variable: demand for growth, driven by the application of Compound Interest and causing the population growth of 80-100 million people annually. - People who the economic system then use as surplus labor for non-limited growth, circularly, in our limited biosphere. This causes the crashes we see more and more.
Ending of excess energy-use will best happen by adjustment of overall human attitude to a strong recognition that there is such a phenomenon as materially enough. Then use of Compound Interest on all bankloans will start looking like the cancerous growth that it is.
Why does no one want to talk about overpopulation?
We could have all the technology we wanted if there were only 7 million people in the world instead of 7 billion.
We're an "intelligent" species, but appartently not quite intelligent enough to limit our own numbers. We consider ourselves "better" than the animals. Something unique. And yet we're destroying ourselves through overpopulation. No smarter than an algae bloom.
I think the earth could absorb and recycle all of our "technology" if the volume were 0.1% of what it is now.
I've been ranting on this for 40 years. I think it's too late now. Perhaps the survivors, if there are any, will realize that you can only fit so many humans in a given space and expect them to flourish. Kind of like any other species of animal or plant.
I live in a SE Portland area that has 67 different languages spoken in elementary school. Yes, it's in the school district report. English as a second language requirement is breaking the budget. Most of the people are sponsored immigrints(religious persecution/female circumcision?) and they have bunches of kids. Relatives work or not to help support them but they live in Sec.8 housing and continue to breed like feral cats. (We also have a lot of those in the neighborhood. Maybe that's where they get their ideas, who knows.) Most of my closest friends read The Population Bomb, and, acted accordingly. We have few offspring; very few to be exact. We long ago gave up on the overpopulation crisis and diverted our attention elsewhere. For so many reasons we were beating a dead horse and knew it. When the tax codes and economic models favor sloppy sexual and reproductive practises what can you do beyond personal responsibility and self-enlightenment?
Well, there are groups like Alley Cat Allies who work to limit the feral population using TNR (trap, neuter, release). It works and it works really well. We campaign to spay and neuter pets for a reason. But with people we must leave it up to common sense.
Maybe we should stop having shows that feature super-breeders like the Duggers, who adhere to a "quiverful" philosophy -- and are rewarded handsomely for each human they produce by TLC. I think they have something like 19 now -- or is it 20. I watched the show for 10 minutes once. This is an extreme example. But, believe it or not, there are a bunch of families just like the Duggers that aren't on TV. How do you enlighten fanatics like this?
Here's a couple of ideas; 1) If you're sponsored then no more extended family members are allowed into the U.S. if you have more children once here. 2) For every addt'l child in the extended family born here $200 a month is deducted from your school breakfast/lunch vouchers/food stamps 3) any woman under the age of 21 with more than 2 children must spend 12 sessions in counseling about the availability of sterilization procedures from UPA(Unplanned Parents Annymous). The counselors would be chosen from death row inmates w/children which they'd murdered when they couldn't care for them anymore. Double Snark!!! Just wishin' we could end this intractable population bomb.
The main reason no one is talking about overpopulaiton is because, the rich and moderate-income nations - including China, are already managing their populations fairly well, and aside from brutal totalitarian/imperialist methods, there is no way to force a lower fertility rate on another poeple. The facts are, in poor nations, with low life expectancy and reliance on subsistence farming, a large family is a perfectly rational decision for a household to make.
This is why R. Buckminster Fuller thought the best population control is to raise the living standards of the so-called "3rd world".
Exactly right! As SaboCat indicates above "Remember that in a capitalist economic system, consumption has nothing to do with population." The rich countries with stable populations are the ones whose over-consumption is accelerating global warming. The "over-populated" 3rd world doesn't consume much. For example, the average person from Bangladesh uses 1/50th the amount of energy that the average American does. If the US population (300 million) reflected Bangladesh's energy use the American population would be 15 billion! The problem is consumption not population. Malthus' arguments were wrong in his own time and they are still wrong.
Good point. Bucky tackled this too: how to do what we do by using less ergs of energy & lbs. of material to do it. The flourescent bulb replacing the incandescent bulb is a crude example of this. Imagine a house that fully functions on a 10-amp service, instead of a 200-amp service; that sort of thing.
"The rich countries with stable populations are the ones whose over-consumption is accelerating global warming. The "over-populated" 3rd world doesn't consume much."
Sorry, not buying it. We are able to spend and consume because we market and sell to those developing countries. We keep on "bringing democracy" and "freedom" to the poor barbarians who don't know how to depend on oil. We "raise thier standard of living" so they can contribute to the economic machine. We are virtually farming human population for consumerism.
And our population is not stable. We are increasing by 1% per year. That's 3 million additonal people using up land and resources in this country.
Forget about Malthus. Look around you.
Overpopulation is a problem, but it is not THE problem. Even when millions or billions of people die off after an overpopulation peak, our bodies are biodegradable so the species survives.
THE problem is our non-biodegradable wastes. When an ecologically non-viable species like ours finally becomes extinct, it is because their habitat can no longer recycle their wastes and they die off poisoned by their own wastes.
THE problem is progress, which is another word for genocide, development, which is another word for pollution, and technology, which is another word for turning living, biodegradable things into dead non-biodegradable things.
We have no technology capable of finding, extracting, and neutralizing the toxic, carcinogenic, and radioactive man-made wastes with which we have poisoned the earth, the oceans, and our atmosphere. Much of it is widely scattered, microscopic, and often odorless and tasteless. Acid rain falls even on organic gardens.
Those remnants of indigenous peoples still surviving and attempting to maintain the lifestyles that sustained their ancestors (and ours) for tens of thousands of years, are not only under attack from government militaries and corporate death squads, but from their water, food, and air, which carry the non-biodegradable pollutants from civilization all over the globe.
There are many people in developed countries who say that they wouldn't want to live like that, but the remnants of respectful indigenous peoples are saying that they don't want to die like us. Empires are still intent on conquering a world that they've already imprisoned, tortured, raped, and killed. Civilization is like a cancer that once having devoured its host, looks around for more hosts to devour. There are very few left. What is the prognosis for a patient whose body has already been 90% devoured by cancer?
It doesn't matter if we are positive or negative. What matters, the only thing that might make a difference, is if we stop supporting corporate rule, legitimizing imperialist governments, and striving for materialistic lifestyles. Not because we can save the earth--it is too late for that. But so that we can scrub some of the oil off our consciences before we die.
Om Mani Padme Hum
The idea of 350 million--but not ppm of CO2, rather of Homo sapiens on Earth--continues to look to me like a viable solution, in relatively short order.
Given all the above, and much more that we all are aware of, this seems inevitable in any event, leaving only the question of whether we're going to do it the hard way or easy way (natural or unnatural decimation, or planned rapid reduction). Many of us have already made that choice, by having one child, adopted children, or none.
But even if we do reduce our ranks, what next, if we don't change our thinking towards each other?
I don't think there is one comment in the above article that I could not relate to. And I can only believe that for all those who have read this piece, there must be millions who would agree if they did. I chose to believe there is a slim lining of hope in that; likewise in the overwhelming response to the BP disaster--true, even a proper response to the energy situation now would be pathetically belated, but we do have more potentially good technology and quicker means to achieve it than ever before.
Whether we acquire the wisdom fast enough to use it is another matter, and almost certainly the greater one.
Discussion and awareness are the only places I know to start, and I thank Mr. Jensen for that, but we obviously need action to go with it.
Remember that in a capitalist economic syatem, consumption has nothing to do with population. It has to do with the size of an economy. And the size of an economy doen't have anything to do with population either. The mandate for perpetual economic growth would have those 350 million consuming as much resources as billions do now, and in pretty short order. The only change would be that the afluent would now enjoy Kewnworth-sized cars and 50,000 square-foot homes.
Not only that, but among those 350 million, there would still be a a similar proportion that would under grinding poverty in exploited lands.
One way to be fully alive is to do something, to act within a cause that is greater than the diminished complaining, suffering personality.
There may not appear to be rational "grounds for hope", but that's the time to stop worrying about being foolish, about keeping your fossilized self intact.
Very true. Thanks for reminding me!
Daniel -- I'm glad you were reminded, but in case any readers are confused, my comment was general and not specifically directed to your post.
And I don't want you to think that I thought you particularly needed my advice. :-)
Don't worry, Jesus is coming soon.
Well, isn't he?
I had a discussion with a woman that I was in a class with. We were talking about how bad the economy was and all the crooks in business and government that helped cause it. That was her solution, hoping that Jesus would be coming back soon to hold the crooks accountable.
That is still an assessment of the situation and it's immoral underpinnings. It is still a moment of awareness of what is happening and an opportunity for connection. Our connection with each other matters in all this and is growing.
"We need to transcend systems rooted in human arrogance and greed that lead us to believe that any individual is more valuable than another, that any group of people should dominate another group, or that people have a right to exploit the living world without regard for the consequences for the ecosystem. Because each of us has within us the capacity for constructive and destructive actions -- for good and evil -- our collective task is to shape a society that helps us act with caution and compassion."
Above found upon a fortune cookie at Princeton University.
It is said that if fish took an inventory or their world, the last item they would discover - if at all - is water. Well, my discovery as a fish approaching 70 is that Homo sapiens cannot make a better world. We can make some alterations and define the new circumstance as =a better world= but we bullshit ourselves. The characteristic of our species as Child Sexual Molesters will stop when and only when our sun goes Supernova. Until then children will scream and cry in the dark:"STOP STOP,THAT HURTS." We commonly fail to see that what our vaunted science and technology really produce are prostheses. There has been no marked advance in human abilities across the last several thousand years. By now, we ought to be able to slap pyramids together like Levitown developments.
Trylon
The Big Treadmill empirePie July 8th, 2010
Welcome screaming little one to your first honest sound.
Pose on your belly little one.
Welcome to the treadmill World little one,
but hush ... your daddy is a big hitter
and has a golden shitter.
Your mom’s links aren’t dowdy,
there’s no kinks in her dowry
You will soon learn to reach little one;
this is you in the mirror little one
“This is you in the mirror.”
Repeat after me: ‘one through five’, little one
Three groups of five you’ll be truly alive.
From cheeks in the air to your first affair;
jump in the wheel, ....... reel in the real;
three by fifteen and you may learn to love your ride
the treads stir up longing for what you put aside
One more fifteen and you’ll be back on the slide
to ponder your life on the big treadmill.