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Big Bad Government Is Coming to Get You
Liars, delusional, petrified, hypocritical, idiotic.
I often can't decide which of these most accurately describes regressives when I'm listening to their insane rants. Maybe it's all of the above, in some combination or another.
The right in America loves its canned tropes, but perhaps none so much as the ‘government is evil' one. Ooooooohh! Look out. Big bad government is coming to get you.
Here's a recent example from a regressive fellow living in the South (I know, I know -- what a shocker that is!):
"I am a grown man. I do not need liberals telling me what to do. If you want to live like slaves to the government in your big cities and left-wing states, that's your problem. Keep your mitts off my liberty...
"Liberalism takes away freedom. Liberalism is inherently controlling over free people. Liberalism seeks to take away freedoms that have been historically rooted and guaranteed.
"I don't need you to tell me to eat my vegetables. I don't need you to tell me to buy health insurance. I don't need you to tell me to use less water when I shower. I don't need you telling me to buy a less gas guzzling vehicle. I don't need you telling me to use mass transit and live in a tiny little European-style apartment rather than the big, sprawling house I want. I don't need you requiring me to build my house with green materials.
"You really think modern American and European liberalism is about freedom? That's a joke. It is about you deciding how everyone must live. It is a hard fist of tyranny cloaked in a velvet glove."
Wow, eh? The hard fist of tyranny is haunting big cities!!
First of all, let's leave aside any observations our good friends in the field of child psychology might have about the upbringing of someone so devoted to himself that he adamantly reserves the right to sprawling houses, water-wasting showers, and big, gas-guzzling cars, regardless of the impact that might have on the environment we all must share. No wonder this guy doesn't want to be told to eat his vegetables. One gets the sense that he never was. I think he might also have been absent that day in kindergarten, when they covered that whole sharing concept.
And let's also disregard for the moment the logic that has liberalism assaulting "freedoms that have been historically rooted and guaranteed," when of course it was precisely progressives who did the fighting (and sometimes dying) to wrench racial and gender equality away from moss-backed reactionary regressives clutching "historically rooted" oppressions in their conservative little hands (along with their guns, of course). And, I might add, it was progressives who also did the same to end slavery and even liberate the United States of America from British imperialism as well, all in opposition to lovely "historically rooted" and even biblically sanctioned traditions.
Finally, let's also leave aside the "big-city, left-wing state slavery" which I am deeply surprised to be informed that I've been living in. What's most astonishing is the degree to which the Stalinist government has so artfully hidden my chains. They don't even rattle when I drink my government-approved latte. I hardly notice them as I run to catch my mandatory subway ride to the communist indoctrination movie I'm forced to watch each and every evening. So clever! So insidious!
Hey, and how about those Wall Street slaves, too, working in Manhattan and living in Connecticut, two ultra-lefty big-city bastions of liberalism? Don't you feel bad for them, enslaved by the government, and forced to make tens of millions of dollars in financial transactions so unregulated by the government that they can crash the entire global economy? That's some real oppression, pal. And I know they weep for their lost freedom each time they climb in their helicopters for the weekend trip to the Hamptons, where they are forced by the government to live on sprawling mansions and have decadent parties all night long. If only there was an underground railroad to whisk them away to the opulence and freedom of the rural South!
But, let's leave all that aside for the moment, and just think about this notion that liberalism is the ideology of big oppressive government, and conservatism is the ideology of freedom from government repression. I dunno. Seems just a wee bit dubious if you scratch the surface a little. Ironic, even.
Is the fear of an intrusive big brother the reason why conservatives want the government to regulate women's reproductive systems, instead of allowing them to handle it themselves?
Is that why conservatives want the government to prevent people living in agony with terminal diseases from choosing to end their own lives?
Is that concern about big government why they want it to decide which substances people can imbibe?
Is that why they want the government to prevent doctors from prescribing medical marijuana to help retching chemotherapy patients stay alive?
Is the conservative commitment to freedom from an all-powerful government the reason why they've spent the last decade gutting the Fourth Amendment protection against searches and seizures without a warrant?
Is the commitment to small government the reason our regressive friends favor laws controlling who consenting adults are allowed to sleep with?
Or who they're allowed to marry?
Or if they can use birth control?
Is this what they meant when they demanded that the Republican Congress pass legislation intervening in Terri Schiavo's family medical tragedy? Is this the freedom from a repressive nanny-state they had in mind when they applauded George Bush for flying across the country in the middle of the night to sign that bill?
It all seems a little confusing to me. I hear the regressive right talking tough and thumping their chests, all about the big bad government which takes away our liberty, and enslaves us. You know, like the French. Those people who are always out on the streets protesting their government, en masse. Because, as slaves, they've been forced to... protest... their... own... government... Er, somethin' like that...
Yep, somehow, these kooks have decided that they're the small government people. And yet when I think about what the right favors with respect to anything involving personal liberties, sexuality, freedom from repressive government intrusion, even the decision to end one's own life - it's always just the opposite story. More government intrusion and regulation, in the very most personal aspects of our lives. Hmmm. It just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
Here's the deal. There are basically two categories of government interference in people's affairs we can distinguish, the economic and the social.
When it comes to the economic side of the equation, old-fashioned real conservatives always did favor less government. Less taxation, less spending, less regulation and less government ownership of industries. Today's regressives, however, are really just kleptocrats. When Republicans like Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush come to power, they actually spend more than Democrats (who aren't terribly liberal, but leave that aside), by far. Reagan tripled the national debt in eight years, and Bush doubled it again, from $5.5 trillion to $11 trillion. The only real difference these days is that so-called conservatives use big spending for purposes of funneling money to cronies like Halliburton or Exxon-Mobil, while so-called liberals do a bit less of the same, and maybe also throw a bone or two to the middle class every once in a while.
On the social side, however, the conservative trope about theirs being the ideology of freedom is a total joke and an ugly lie. These are the people who want the government in your underpants, who want the government reading your mail without a warrant, who want to control who you sleep with and who you marry, and who even want to force you to live in agony when you just want to crawl off and die. These are the people who stood in the doorways blocking the movements for racial and sexual equality.
I'm sorry, I can't really think of freedoms more personal and more crucial than these. And every time I turn around, I see sickening demands from sickened regressives to take these away from all of us. (What they then do themselves, privately, of course, is another matter entirely. Just ask Larry Craig. Or Mark Foley. Or David Vitter. Or Jimmy Swaggart. Or Ted Haggard. Or Mark Sanford... Or...) As if that isn't bad enough, then we have to be lectured on how they're protecting us from the big bad nanny state, come to deprive us of the very freedom they are in fact trying to get the big bad state to deprive us of.
Nor is their ultimate vision of freedom from governmental intrusion particularly appealing, to put it gently.
Call me crazy, but I don't want my neighbor on the right to have the freedom to build an abattoir on his land, and my neighbor on the left to be able to construct a sulfur processing factory.
Call me nutty, but I don't want parents to be free to deny their children an education, or to prevent them from seeing a doctor when they're seriously ill.
I also don't think parents should be able to punish their kids in any way they want, and I'd like the government to make sure children aren't harmed and abused.
Similarly, I'm just a bit old-fashioned about things like child labor laws. I don't have a problem with the nanny state keeping kids out of factories, where they used to work twelve-hour shifts. Yes, it's an intrusion on the freedom of the magical marketplace, but I'm okay with that.
Indeed, maybe it's the knee-jerk Trotskyism in me, but I like the idea of the government making sure that working conditions are safe for all workers.
I like the government mandating a forty-hour work week.
I like the government monitoring my food and drugs for safety.
I like the government requiring that the cars and airplanes I ride in are safe.
I want the government to make sure that industries don't pollute the land and air and water we all share, padding their profits through environmental destruction.
I know, I know. It's weird. But somehow I think that's a better country than the one my regressive friends have in mind.
Speaking of whom...
Liars? Delusional? Petrified? Hypocritical? Idiotic?
I guess it is all of the above, after all. Petrified and delusional regressives tell massive lies about supposed freedom that are riddled with idiotic hypocrisy.
I hope they'll forgive me for choosing my big-city, left-wing, European socialist, liberal slavery, radical vision of the good life over theirs.
After all, it goes better with my government-restricted, nanny-state regulated, mandatory latte.




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Show AllBig bad government is coming to get you.
The Big Bad Government under George Wanker Bush and Cheesedick Cheney came and went and it most definitely "got" us. Its successor, under George Judas Bush and the Thirty Pieces of Silver party, is continuing to "get" us, and a lot of other people as well.
Exactly.
The US Goverment repu/demo corporate party: CORRUPTION IS US.
Green seems unaware of the fundamental,and fundamentally flawed, assumption underlying most right-wing arguments. The assumption is that only the government can enslave people, economically bully, dominate, or abuse people, or limit the choices of others in a meaningful way on a continuing basis. Those on the left recognize that powerful private interests can do the same, particularly if the government is sympathetic to such interests, while a government that is formed to actually protect the interests of the majority can, at least theoretically, be used to minimize such harm. I do wonder why so few on the left bring up the point that in the history of the country it was private interests that enslaved others, not the government (though with government acquiescence and even aid). And powerful private interests have been guilty of virtually all abuses that the right appears concerned with, though often with the aid of the government. That brings to mind what those on the right, as well as the rest of us, should fear most of all -- an abusive government controlled by powerful private interests (which appears to be where we are headed now and which the foot soldiers of the right are usually fooled into supporting).
No matter where one is on the political spectrum, it becomes dangerous to assume one is right and to never challenge one's own assumptions. I believe the most useful models of our reality incorporate the idea that such reality consists of unbounded complexity and so one's models can always improve, without limit, even if one sees no obvious contradictions. A certain position on an issue may seem unassailable on the basis of a model at one level of complexity and sophistication, and seem preposterous on the basis of a model with greater sophistication. It is easy to see examples in foreign policy, nowadays often with regard to Afghanistan, but this applies to domestic concerns as well, including those discussed in the first paragraph.
"No matter where one is on the political spectrum, it becomes dangerous to assume one is right and to never challenge one's own assumptions."
That reminds me of what George Lakoff once wrote about nurturance. Successful progressives would engage in both nurturing themselves and each other. What we see in society, however, are people described as "conservatives" and "libertarians" who care for only themselves and not others and then are those described as "liberals" and "progressives" who try to appease everyone else at the expense of hurting themselves. There has to be a balance between the two. I think we should always be prepared to challenge both our own assumptions and those of our opponents.
Interesting take on it. One example I was thinking of was how so many of the so-called "regressives" were against the bankster bailout while so many of the so-called "liberals" were supportive. Sometimes conservatives appropriately mistrust government action when liberals inappropriately applaud it.
I can never forget that event just over a year ago. That was when it slowly started occurring to me that all these ideological labels that the pols wear with them to Washington just don't add up in addition to party labels. Perhaps last year's election was based on which side sounded more consistent. The bailout event had to be a shocker to both sides.
The practical balance between selfish and egalitarian practice for individuals depends on the overall balance that prevails in the society. In a selfish society, the individual is forced to be more selfish to avoid being eaten alive for lunch. In an egalitarian society the individual can be more egalitarian with less worry. In order for a selfish society to move toward being more egalitarian, some will have to take personal risks and move their personal balance toward egalitarianism while others still practice the predatory status quo. What seems an imbalance at that point is a sacrifice that some view as worth it.
It may make sense for egalitarians to practice a type of discrimination: The egalitarian may choose to be egalitarian toward their fellow egalitarians, and practice savagery toward the savages. USan liberalism will be quick to label this as hypocritical. But if one believes in a balance then why can't the balance be manifest in this way? Is there something wrong with egalitarians rewarding egalitarianism? Maybe a lack of such rewards has driven more egalitarians toward savagery.
rtdrury, excellent perception.
On your first paragraph, I find the solution for bridging those two gaps for balancing to be true. There's always a saying that the first person who succeeds in taking that risks motivates the followers to also try. The more followers who take the risks, the more support builds for that cause. That might also whittle down those who want to take the easy option of sitting with the predatory status quo.
What you say on the second paragraph can be a toughie. I think that at that point, assuming our society ever gets there, a fine line will have to be drawn to where discrimination is least likely to occur. There has been more rewarding goes towards savegery and privatization than there has been going towards peace and public sharing. Changes in incentives could help.
Good post. As I was saying to my Uncle Karl the other day, savage egalitarianism should always get no rewarding. I'm new to this site but I feel that all of us progressives on this site should get herded like cats into one big third party, not labels, because we all have a good hearts. :)
Leave Jennifer alone ! She ain't done anything to you. Who the hell are you anyway? Another Obama troll or some shit?
Dennis, that user named "Bennifer" is probably "NoMoreForCorps". It often tries to harass others by mocking their support of third party progressives. It's just a jealous troll trying to stir up trouble or a possible paid Obama troll. It is best to just ignore them and they'll leave.
what are yyou talkin about ? that was in agreement to the jennifer post. torlls don't agree, shits don't.
Nice try NoMoreForCorps ! Busted !
if it was not for Baary husane the cats would herd up alredy. Barrey sucks and dems really suck and but ron paul would straighten it all out, except that he is kind a right wingy. but mavericky! if we all keep pretending he's a third party canidate him and kucinick would join together and run and win, and nader would be the new secretary of state. i think so!~
Thank you RichM. At least you have a kind heart no matter what ideology the poor and the defenseless cling to. Not only do I think that there are no real liberals in Washington, when I actually researched what conservatives are supposed to be, I found that none of the so-called "conservatives" in Washington are really conservative where it counts. It's as if there is a concerted effort to make this red vs blue divide look like someone is fighting for the people and that the other side is to blame. The truth is very members of either party are actually fighting for the little guy and they get persecuted the most as if they're third party members. I wish Paul, Kunich, and the few like them would just join Bernard Sanders in going Independent.
Chris Floyd, in an article on Counterpunch, suggested a handy tool for judging our response to actions taken by the new president of the US empire: ("What if Bush Did It?" - WIBDI) http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd11052008.html
It's worth sending this one out again to our Obama apologist friends and associates.
We need to build bridges all around, crushing the empire's strategy to divide and confuse. We can find commonalities. I might have more in common with my Limbaugh loving neighbor than I do with the Obama team. The teabaggers, death panel fear mongers, etc., all techniques to obfuscate, turn our attention anywhere but on the status quo, the real and consistent agenda towards world domination of resources - at the expense of We the People and the hapless Middle Easterners who are in the way. I get at least 5 emails a day from progressive activists in my liberal college town, all of them fretting over the latest Glen Beck/Limbaugh inanity. Barely a word about Obama. The worst anyone can bring themselves to say is that Obama inherited a mess and he's "trying to please everyone" and ending up pleasing no one .... poor puppy.
I too find it odd that Limbaugh/Beck share a few agreements with us though they have their reasons. On the whole though, I don't think I can trust Limbaugh/Beck any differntly than trusting Obama. Both of them play politics dirty and seduce their audiences with lies and empty promises to score political points. Before Obama came in, Limbaugh/Beck were speaking for the corporate elites so I cannot trust them either. As I see it, Beck/Limbaugh are not real conservatives just like Obama is no liberal/progressive whatsoever. Whatever party or ideology one wants to associate themselves with, all we can do is test them on their actual positions and actions putting politics aside.
I have to listen to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh 6 hours a day. They're nothing but sociopaths who rant about being attacked by the Obama administration and how they and everyone else is losing their freedom while they're being paid tens of millions of dollars to say so. Some censorship, huh? They are far phonier than Obama, who, despite his many faults and failures, actually has to make pretty much the toughest decisions in the world.
Beck and Limbaugh agree with nothing except the polar opposite of what Obama and the Democratic Congress professes to believe in, it's that simple. And Beck smears anyone who speaks out against his childish and stupid bullying as some sort of radical Marxist that will murder your family to get what they want, which of course is total control over everybody's lives. Limbaugh simply calls everything that the Dems in DC want to do is fascism, everything from health insurance reform to capping compensation at bailed out financial companies, and attempting to connect any leftist idea, such as universal health care and environmentalism, to the Nazis.
Beck and Limbaugh do not agree with us on anything. They consider the Obama administration to be the most far-left people out there. I think people like us would make their heads explode.
For the most part you are correct that Beck/Limbaugh don't agree with us. What rvwalker was referring to were the rare moments where what they said overlaps what we say. For example, Beck/Limbaugh opposed bailing out Wall $treet just like we did or at least they say the did. However, they most certainly do not oppose the economic policies that brought about these disasters. In another example, I'm sure you're familiar with Limbaugh's infamous quote "I hope he fails". You have probably heard some of us say the same even though we're progressives and he isn't. The difference is Limbaugh wants Obama to fail to go liberal whereas we want Obama to fail to go to the right. There's a difference in context.
Where I think the Democrats go wrong is that many of them listen to those guys and show their spine where it doesn't count. Back in April and I didn't know this until recently, Obama promised to cut subsidies to Big Agri but there was no word after the Big Agri lobbyists gave a simply crying foul. On defense spending, Obama was promising to cut it but he didn't. On health care, one day he says he wants public option in the package but the next day he's open to dropping it. The same kind of behavior I see in most Democrats in Congress. Hence, my lack of trust in them.
As for Limbaugh/Beck calling the Democrats this and that, their mischaracterization of the Democrats is totally lame brained. They will never be satisfied with Obama no matter what he does for them.
We on this site on the other hand will happily support Obama the more progressive he thinks and acts as a leader. Unfortunately, so much disappointments from this administration that even my Uncle Stan is losing faith in Obama and the Democrats in Congress if you saw his recent comments on health care and his outrage that Congress is continuing to water it down to nowhere status that he'd rather that they just not bother passing it and tell us who they are listening to, the people or Big Insurance.
Actually, back then, Glenn Beck supported the bailouts, we found a CNN Headline News show of his where he argued for them to be bigger and attacked the Democrats for knowing it was too small. Just a tiny bit hypocritical.
And yes, honest criticism of Obama and the Democrats is exactly what's needed. Dishonest fear and hate mongering is the last thing we need more of.
Thanks zmann for exposing Beck. There had to be a reason they chose to put Beck on the air. He's just like Lou Dobbs who used to be in favor of "free" trade and most of the failed rightwing economic policies he occasionally rails against.
P.S.: My dad used to be a big fan of Rush Limbaugh back in the 1990s. I once heard Limbaugh on the radio when I was on a family vacation trip. My brothers and my parents found Limbaugh funny to listen to but I had a terrible headache just trying to put up with his shouting so loud. There was no way I could beg anyone to turn the volume down one bit. I don't know how you can tolerate listening to those kinds of people 6 hours a day. I would probably die of taking Tylenol everyday before listening to them !
Well I didn't find that little tidbit, I just deal with his radio show. I understand it was a tip from one of our readers that led us to it, but I don't remember, it was over a month ago.
As for volume and general unpleasantness, if it gets too bad, I can (and I have) rip off my headphones and throw them onto the desk if they get too horrible. Or, I can mute their live feeds. Sometimes it gets to be too much even for me.
zmann, you have a lot of strength and perseverance I don't know if I can ever attain. I can meditate in the middle of the noisy streets but I don't think I can match your strength in putting up with their spew. I still hope you find a better job because I think you deserve better than this.
Thanks :-)
I actually love my job, but unfortunately I do need to find a new one, as I've finally been told I'm not being hired as a researcher and my internship isn't being extended past the end of this year. I'm looking for something else in DC, but I may end up going back to Florida, blech. But one of my hippie/commie college buddies in Tampa may have a job for me in this urban agriculture project he's been working on. It'd certainly be a big change from a comfy office job, that's for sure.
Whew! I know what you are talking about, because when I stand on my head I get headaches that are terrible but I might die of Tylenol choking from taking it upside down! :0
Nice try NoMoreForCorps ! Busted !
If you crunch the numbers on Limbaugh he actually makes about one million a week. So one of the first things I say to the ditto heads is: Rush is a "hired tongue" by corporate elite's and is paid one million a week to tell you that you don't need:
Minimum wage
Health insurance
social security
your pension funds
job & community safety standards
protection from pollution and environmental degradation
a moral foreign policy
birth control
enjoyment during sex
the right not to carry (think BUY) guns
The only problem for Rush in this sweet little money making scheme is that sometimes it's gets a little painful - thank god for oxycontin
WIBDI?
They ask henry8 that very question all the time here. The canned answer is that "As bad as Bush was, and yes he was a bad, bad, nasty boy, Obama is worse". These people know what they want. They are not confused or stupid. Their world view is that "king of the hill" is the only game that humans play and the rest is propaganda to get to the top of the hill, period. The moment republicans get back in power, the henry8 types will lose their appetite for reform. They will no longer "agree" that both sides are terrible and we need to change the government, etc.
That said, I enjoyed the Counterpunch article. It's always fun to see some light shone on hypocritical behavior.
That's an interesting take on Henry8. I don't know if he was here on this site before Obama came into office but he seems to sound more around the lines like saying Obama is as bad as Bush but there are cases where it definitely can be said that Obama is moving to the right of Bush and Henry8 is not alone in saying that. Having read your posts and Henry's, I see that you're from Vermont while he's from Texas. We're talking two different kinds of liberals here. I come from Virginia but I think I understand the differences in expectations between a typical liberal from Texas vs one from Vermont. Since Henry8 is an Independent, it will be harder to call him a rightwinger or a leftwinger. If a typical Texan or Virginian for that matter were to read Henry8's post, they would say that Henry8 is too liberal. The south and the midwest has had limited exposure to liberalism in general. In some of those states, there's no way a third party can run unless they jump through enough hoops. If the states in the south and midwest were to imitate Vermont on third parties, they would be more progressive than they are today. My state of Virginia is already slipping back to red what with Obama disappointing voters right, left, and in between. I think that we will have to wait and see what Henry8 actually turns out like once election 2010 passes and later election 2012 passes.
PS: Pay attention to the two gubernatorial races in VA and NJ on Tuesday. That will give a strong indication of what the public really makes of the Obama administration. It's already looking very bad in VA and NJ isn't stellar either.
maxpayne, not all Texans are the same. Henry8 is so-so but I don't mind communicating with him and helping him out too as far as getting him to explain his positions are concerned. I have come across Texans on this site and on Alternet who are just as progressive as AGG. I come from MO which is also a swing state just like VA and I don't hesitate to voice my support for a truly quality driven progressive who actually shares our values rather than hot air pols. You have to understand that there are issues where Henry8 can throw us off and if you look at the archives, I have had my share of disagreements with him too such as on military and immigration. Still, if you have seen my posts, I always find common ground on even some libertarians and acknowledge where they agree with us and where they disagree with us. Henry8 is mixed but I don't think he is a rightwinger either. I have seen him vigorously defending his own home state of TX and I can understand where he is coming from. I don't share that kind of zeal defending MO. St Louis and Kansas City are as liberal as they get while the rest of the state is as red as can be like Alabama. I don't think AGG has anything against him personally. Since I feel like being an independent without wearing a party or ideological label but trying to seek the best of all sides, I guess that's why I like both of them despite their differences. :)
Hi Jennifer,
You are more hopeful than I am for progressive change in government. It seems to me that all the labels don't fit any more. Henry8's comments are just an example of a bias as far as I'm concerned. Of course he doesn't represent all or even most Texans. He is, however, a great team player. If you have him on your team, you never have to worry about him going wobbly on you. And that, my friend, is my main beef with his type. They only appear to be convinced or persuaded. It's all a show. They know what they want and they'll do what is "acceptable" to close with the enemy and defeat him. I know you think differently and I respect that. We'll talk about his position again after 2010. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it.
I don't take teams per say. We're all progressive in different ways. Henry8 has gotten wobbly and not too long ago, I could not believe my eyes when he actually wrote on one post that he opposes HR 676 even though he supports single payer. I was thinking "Did somebody blank out his mind or what?" I guess he can be as unsteady as my cat not sitting still at times. :)
The NJ election is an interesting case. Here we have a democratic governor who is a former CEO of the USA's biggest criminal bank (Goldman Sachs). I think this guy is history. The repub will win but so what? There is no difference in the two sides of the corporate party. The process to get on a ballot has been corrupted in our country so we no longer have any real choices. We don't live in a democracy, representative or otherwise.
As to the red/blue contest, I don't give it much importance. We have an unresponsive government, red or blue. Until people get that, there is no hope whatsoever of escaping the continued destruction of our economy.
I support Kucinich in spite of him being a democrat. I don't support Leahy. Bernie Sanders, I do support but I see his position as a permitted token to fool us into thinking we have a democracy; no real reforms with teeth ever come from Bernie. Vermonters in general are not as liberal as many people think. The governor here is a republican and racism is endemic. We've got a world class rug here used to sweep all this inconvenient stuff under. Finally, I wouldn't try to group people so much by states. It gives unreliable results. The most reliable measure of potential explosive change is unemployment; not the fairy tale figure but the REAL unemployment (about 20% now in many states). But still, we have such massive criminality going on at the Geithner White House that I don't see any hope for improvement. I agree that the democratic party is every bit as corrupt as the republican party. They are BOTH enemies of the people and guilty of theft, murder and treason.
Speaking of Bernard Sanders, one thing that disappointed me about him last year was his endorsement of Obama when he could have endorsed Nader or Mckinney. Even Kucinich I could barely understand but Sanders doing this as an independent totally shocked and upset me. I wished that there was some way to unite the progressive independents but it seems to be as easy as herding cats.
A lot of voters in VA are saying the same thing about the Republicans winning. I've been asked by people outside the state on why people living near the MTR areas are voting Republican and I told them that both Deeds and Mcdonnell stand with Obama on allowing MTR to proceed. That's one issue Deeds robbed himself of. Here's another. Improving transportation by providing timely funding for road improvements and railroad upgrades for the explosive population growth in Hampton Roads and Northern VA? Deeds gave a very weak answer saying that his plans would kick in 4 years from now when his term was up. Mcdonnell gave a haphazard idea but at least gave people the impression that he'd do anything immediately. Finally, let's talk about health care. Mcdonnell does his usual Republican talk on making it look like people should still have their rights to choose their private insurers and that government is not supposed to provide free service. Deeds calls single payer for all Virginians too idealist. So here you have it. Deeds could have been a progressive populist but Mcdonnell ate his lunch and is running way ahead of him in the polls. I don't feel like voting since there's no third party running this time. I don't know if I can do a write in since the machines are electronic.
NJ is an interesting race. I talked to a few Obama apologists living in NJ and they keep insisting that Corzine will win big and they think I'm nuts to talk about Goldman Sachs. After a few arguments, one of them confesses to working for Merrill Lynch ! Another confesses to working for some big bank, forgot which one it was.
Speaking of employment, even in Northern Virginia which is close to Washington, there are people who travel from as far as West Virginia every day ! Usually, most people working in the NoVA/DC/MD area come from 50 miles south or west every day. We're starting to get worse in Hampton Roads too. More people from Richmond are travelling all the way south. In most areas of the state, there is no employment. The dirty secret is all work gets shoved into a few major locations. I hear the same dirty secret about employment in NJ. A great deal of NJ residents have to travel to and from NY everyday and public transportation isn't for everyone. If you live in the suburbs or rural areas, forget it and get ready for back breaking traffic jams. There are more dirty secrets to share about the current employment that is sitting on a fault line when one looks at all the factors and conditions.
Speaking of dirty secrets, I was talking to some people the other day, I forgot where, and they said "why are you talking to me, I don't know you" but then after they saw that I have a good heart they told me some dirty secrets about the employment in the suburbs, and also they agree with McDonnell about women should stay home in the kitchen and not take jobs from men who should be the bacon-winners. So I don't know what to think, but boy oh boy that Limbaugh sure can talk loud and now he is a judge of Miss America, so why does some people say he hates women? :)
Bob Mcdonnell's quote against women is well known but this time it's not working. Like I said, Deeds is not going populist and that's why he's failing. You can't just say everything negative about your opponent and expect voters to give you the keys to the governor's mansion just like that. Go back and read what I wrote about what Deeds is failing to do. If Deeds had a lot more to offer, then Mcdonnell's quote against women would have had a serious impact against his candidacy but it obviously doesn't. Mcdonnell will not take jobs away from women and for all of them to be house wives. There are plenty enough Republicans in the state legislature along with the Democrats who wouldn't allow that to happen.
ron paul is one of the government officials who wants to get in our underpants, as DMG puts it. he has stated that he's willing to make abortion illegal either through a constitutional amendment or other means. he thinks "abortion on demand" is the biggest issue we face. it's easy to find out about him, and I'd suggest everyone do so before thinking he's not a right-wing conservative.
I don't agree with Ron Paul on his plans on abortion but there are other issues where he actually overlaps with working class progressives such as ending the wars and occupations, ending subsidization to Big Agri and getting rid of the burdensome regulations responsible for the persecution of small farmers, ending the war on drugs and legalizing cannabis, ending most "free" trade scams, opposing bailouts to Wall $treet, auditing and possibly ending the Fed Reserve, etc... That's more than enough to make up for his insane position on abortion. Ending abortion is probably not a high priority for Paul these days.
Show me a quote where he says that "abortion on demand" is the biggest issue we face.
Over the last 30 years, the biggest issue we face, according to Ron Paul, is the federal reserve and the break away from gold standard. He's written several books on it. Perhaps you should read them. To him, most major problems stem from this break. He is behind the current Congressional efforts to audit the federal reserve.
His views on abortion are more complex than other Republicans, namely because of his libertarian stance that abortion should be a states rights issue, rather than a federal one, and that the federal government shouldn't be funding anything that has to do with abortion, because that was not the function of the federal government as laid out by our Constitution. Your oversimplification of Ron Paul as "one of them," is ridiculous. I was at the Colorado Republican Convention and saw the Ron Paul delegates get booed off the stage by other Republicans as they used their time to speak out against the war. Who did you support in the last election? Nader? Perhaps you should watch the interview where Ralph Nader and Ron Paul appeared TOGETHER on television, and Ron Paul urged people to vote for third party candidates instead of McCain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J3-YoVPckk
Does this look like your average conservative Republican?
Wherever you are getting your information, I'd really take a hard look at the source.
here you go. second sentence.
Ron Paul in the US House of Representatives, June 4, 2003 (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul98.html)
Mr. Speaker, like many Americans, I am greatly concerned about abortion. Abortion on demand is no doubt the most serious sociopolitical problem of our age. The lack of respect for life that permits abortion significantly contributes to our violent culture and our careless attitude toward liberty. As an obstetrician, I know that partial birth abortion is never a necessary medical procedure. It is a gruesome, uncivilized solution to a social problem.
Whether a civilized society treats human life with dignity or contempt determines the outcome of that civilization. Reaffirming the importance of the sanctity of life is crucial for the continuation of a civilized society. There is already strong evidence that we are indeed on the slippery slope toward euthanasia and human experimentation. Although the real problem lies within the hearts and minds of the people, the legal problems of protecting life stem from the ill-advised Roe v. Wade ruling, a ruling that constitutionally should never have occurred.
The best solution, of course, is not now available to us. That would be a Supreme Court that recognizes that for all criminal laws, the several states retain jurisdiction. Something that Congress can do is remove the issue from the jurisdiction of the lower federal courts, so that states can deal with the problems surrounding abortion, thus helping to reverse some of the impact of Roe v. Wade.
Unfortunately, H.R. 760 takes a different approach, one that is not only constitutionally flawed, but flawed in principle, as well. Though I will vote to ban the horrible partial-birth abortion procedure, I fear that the language used in this bill does not further the pro-life cause, but rather cements fallacious principles into both our culture and legal system.
SYLLOGISM
Proposition 1: The US Federal Government is "of, by and for the people".
Proposition 2 (Favored by the Right): The Federal Government is bad/the problem.
Conclusion: The people are bad/the problem.
Simply going after those "crazy conservatives" makes us ignore the reality going on right in front of us. Of course it is false that the "free market" will liberate us from government. But it is equally false that government will liberate us from this "free market." In reality, government works for the capitalist class. So they are both the oppressors in that sense (although they cannot be treated as two oppressors as the government works for the capitalists and not the other way around).
Liberals of course would agree that the Bush administration was a. big government and b. pro-business. It shouldn't be too hard to see that the Obama administration is the same, considering that it continues the same policies and has spent trillions of dollars to bail out the banks.
Conservatives with this right wing libertarian leaning take this reality and choose to a. blame the government and b. ignore the fact that Republicans don't really support smaller government. Liberals take this and a. blame the corporations (rightly) and b. pretend that the Democrats are "regulating" them instead of advancing pro-capitalist policies.
Well said. Either David Michael Green is confused and needs a new e-mail mailing list or he is complicit in attempting to place all the blame on regressives. I believe it is the latter.
Government can't do anything right. Democracy is a form of government. Therefore, democracy can't do anything right. What can't do anything right is wrong. Thus, democracy is wrong. To not do wrong is a duty. Therefore, to not do democracy is a duty. Thus, those who judge government can't do anything right have a duty to not do democracy.
philandrel, thanks for clearing THAT up! ;)
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"Here's a recent example from a regressive fellow living in the South (I know, I know -- what a shocker that is!):"
What a predictable statement by one of these academic eletist's from guess where. Stereotyping and racial profiling is just fine when you do it, huh?
And straw man article at that.....Jesus, is this the best this guy can do?
Mordechai Shiblikov, kivals, and RichM nailed the author for sounding like a party apologist as this article smells of partisanship. Here's what I would like to add and this may sound like I'm some "Republican" or "Libertarian" but I'm still a progressive-leaning Independent who won't hesitate to take the good side of all parties where it counts. Anyway, here goes.
DMG is getting it half right but refuses to understand that there are no real liberals or even real conservatives in Washington. Until we put aside both the party and ideological labels, the majority of the electorate will be unable to understand one side or the other.
P.S.: There are some places where government can butt out.
1. Growing hemp for thousands of uses.
2. Removing regulations against small farmers.
3. Stop stepping in for Wall $treet and the vested corporate interests and LET THEM FAIL.
4. Foreign wars and affairs. Since when is any foreign affair a good one. 99% of the time, it's either "free" trade or more wars.
If that sounds "Republican" to you, then please call me a Republican and I'll happily laugh it off !
All good comments. Not much to say other than Green always leaves out one gorilla or another in the room. Do you see any mention of the military or war? True, he would have to alter his thesis, but a gorilla is a gorilla.
Here's the biggest, by far, government expenditure and influence on the culture of the nation, and it is not even mentioned. Just like Obama discussing the "health plans" and talking about the slices and percentages of the federal budget without mentioning the military, as if the military is not part of it.
As RichM says, Green is taking on the easy stuff...like shooting fish in a barrel. In fact, it's so easy, it's like a cartoon. Just a high-five thing "liberals" do to bond with each other and avoid the truth about their complicity in the empire.
I also agree with Henry8. Green is throwing in some elitist crap about the south and winking to his latte-sipping companions.
Yep. War profiteering is a mighty big gorilla. I think he doesn't address it because of the relationship it has with a certain zionist country. Is David Michael Green a zionist? I don't know. I wish he would address the issue. It ruined our country.