"Now Make Me Do It"
Never much of a fighter against abusive corporate power, Barack Obama is making it increasingly clear that right from his start as President, he wanted health insurance reform that received the approval of the giant drug and health insurance industries.
Earlier this year he started inviting top bosses of these companies for intimate confabs in the White House. Business Week magazine, which proclaimed recently that "The Health Insurers Have Already Won" reported that the CEO of UnitedHealth, Stephen J. Hemsley, met with the President half a dozen times.
These are the vendors. They and their campaign slush funds cannot be ignored in the power struggle over the legislation percolating in the Congress. One public result of these meetings was that the drug industry promised $80 billion in savings over ten years and the health insurance moguls promised $150 billion over the same decade. Mr. Obama trumpeted these declarations without indicating how these savings would be guaranteed, how the drug companies could navigate the antitrust laws and what was given to the health care industry by the White House in return.
We have now learned that one Obama promise was to continue the prohibition on Uncle Sam from bargaining for volume discounts on drugs that you the taxpayer have been paying for in the drug benefit program enacted in 2003.
Unknown is whether the health insurance companies were also promised continuation of Medicare Advantage with its 14% added taxpayer subsidy to induce the elderly to make the move out of public Medicare. Also unknown is whether the Medicare public option that Mr. Obama formerly espoused but since has wavered on has been put on the concession table.
The whole secret process is seedy and demonstrates cruel disregard for the millions of American who, whether in dire need of medical services or not, voted in "change we can believe in."
By stark contrast, President Obama has never invited to the White House the leading consumer-patient champions in this country who favor full Medicare and free choice of physician and hospital-often called "a single payer" system. Open to the corporate barons who have failed decade after decade to deliver what patients need, the White House door is closed to the likes of Dr. Quentin Young-a founder of the Physicians for a National Health Program and an old Chicago friend of Obama's, Dr. Sidney Wolfe, who heads Public Citizen's Health Research Group, Drs. Marcia Angell, Stephanie Woolhandler, and David Himmelstein, who are nationally known and accomplished single payer advocates or Rose Ann DeMoro, executive director of the fast-growing California Nurses Association.
Mr. Obama even tried to exclude any advocate of a single payer system-previously favored by Obama and still favored by a majority of the American people, doctors and nurses-from his roundtable meetings convened to receive the views of different constituencies.
"Make me do it" was the advice of Franklin Delano Roosevelt to reformers when faced with legislation he desired but did not have the votes for in Congress. Mr. Obama is not exerting that plea for people power. Were he to do that, he would be encouraging daily public hearings in the Senate and the House on the bureaucratic waste, greed, overbilling, collusion, and fraud that many in the corporate world have inflicted with their costly, pay or die health care industry.
Such publicized hearings would keep him on the offensive. It would arouse the public and focus energies on the main problem-the corporatization of medicine. This commercialism has left tens of millions of people without health insurance, caused 20,000 fatalities a year, and cost Americans twice or more per capita than have full Medicare systems in western countries, which have better health outcomes than the U.S.
Further indication of Obama's corporate dealings is that he never identified himself with a specific bill with a House and Senate number that he could rally the people around. No wonder people are confused, frustrated and angry. President Obama did not stand for an unambiguous proposal.
He thereby emboldened both the cash and carry Blue dog Democrats to rebel and the Republican yahoos to launch their lies and distortions via Rush Limbaugh and similar trash media.
Obama is about to make his biggest mistake to date by favoring the bipartisan deal his assistants are working out with Blue Dog Senator Max Baucus and his Republican counterparts on the Senate Finance Committee. This proposal has no public option, no consumer protections or restraints on the mayhem and skyrocketing charges of the so-called health care industry.
Already the less corporate-indentured bills being reported from the House Committee by Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) and his allies are getting short-shrift from a White House that clearly views the forthcoming Baucus-Grassley "compromise" as the "more practical" go-to legislation.
There is reliable word that the AFL-CIO will endorse whatever Obama approves, with the exceptions of the California Nurses Association and the Sheet Metal Workers' union. The latter, through their president, Michael J. Sullivan, announced in late July that it was suspending all future campaign contributions to any candidate for Congress or the Presidency.
Already over sixty progressive members of the House, headed by Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey (D-CA) have declared opposition to these unacceptable compromises moving forward in both the House and the Senate.
So is gridlock around the corner? Will there be a health insurance reform of any stripe signed into law this year? It depends on the alliances that settle for the lowest corporate denominators being blocked by the unyielding principled stands of the progressives who want something that puts patients above the failed profiteering vendors.
The guess here is that Obama will sign anything which squirms through a cowardly Congress that cannot give to the American people in 2009 the health care system Congress stopped President Harry Truman from establishing in 1950.
It is up to the people of our country to "make him do it" whether this year or next. A mere one million immediate calls to members of Congress by one million assertive citizens will start sobering up these legislators who think they can get away with another sale of our public trust.
The Congressional switchboard is 202-224-3121. The full Medicare, single payer bill (backed by nearly ninety legislators) is H.R. 676. The go-to citizen group for your sustained engagement is singlepayeraction.org. The rest is up to you, the majority, who want to put the people first.
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Show AllIf Obama didn't want to give America an affordable health care system that will truly fix the damage our current system does to the economy, then I can't imagine why he took on the project. At the same time, I can't imagine why he would stipulate that the plan be dominated by the private insurance companies. For obvious reasons, the private insurance plan is bound to fail on economic issues alone, and Obama, seemingly, knows it. Yet he goes through the motions, day after day, of pushing the worse possible solution.
It's as if he is outlining, by negative actions, the solution to the problem: a single payer plan. The more Obama tries, the more he illustrates the impossibility of the private insurance plan. I cannot believe that Obama wants to saddle the country with Max Baucus' insurance-industry cash cow, and to go down in history as the fool who did it. He knows senate progressives can kill a bill that lacks a public option. And he knows that the insurance companies really want Baucus's plan so bad they can taste it. So, in the end, we can force them to take a public option, or get nothing at all. Maybe a restart with a single payer solution. We are the change. Let's "make him do it."
I think for myself, taking information from all sides and processing it for the purpose of living a life which promotes an egalitarian society with respect for all living things, especially the Earth. That said, I made the mistake of voting "against" Republicans rather than "for" real change. Positive social and economic change cannot come from the Democrats. Third parties can count on my vote as I protest the Democrats complicity with the Republicans. I'm sick of the hypocrisy and lies the two major parties promulgate on a regular basis. Obama's lack of progressive politics was the last straw. I'll bet there are many more like me out there.
Ralph Nader has vision. I wonder if he might articulate a strategy for the disempowered intelligentsia who want change, who would listen and act upon a "Nader Strategy," so many vital people....but more than tactics, a strategy.
I'd follow any advice he gave, once he recommended getting 500 people together and that would draw an assemblyman or some such, but, that is a tactic, easily absorbed,
We need more, and HE has vision and believers. Hello you all. Elections cometh.
Hello back... from me anyway.
Hey man, I'm heading into the mountains to do a 3 or 4 day solo backpack. But not completely alone. I'll have my girlfriend "Shasta" with me. Girl dog that is. She'll let me know when there's bears around, and let the bears know that we bad. Sure hope the weather holds. Nothing sucks more than a soggy camp.
It'll be nice to get away from phones and computers and POLITICS!
Adios amigos and amigas! Especially la amigas!
first off obama was picked by the corps because he wasn't threatening to them and they saw him as a great con and diver
son and would keep us busy for a while with his wit and bs.
that part of the onion has been peeled to reveal a spineless
coward who even in the collapse of our once great democracy
will not fight the powers who are enslaving us.OBAMA
IN BASKETBALL PARLANCE ITS TIME TO BUST A MOVE AND TAKE
THE ROCK TO THE HOLE! GET YOUR ASS MOVING! as much as he
inherited a bad hand he prefers to bite ours rather then do whats
right for america. you knew the deal coming in but your
killing the people who elected you. this will be on your
CONscience until you die. thats if you have one!
its time to be the obama who talked all that junk
pre nov 4 2008 and the man you swore you would be!
"A mere one million immediate calls to members of Congress by one million assertive citizens will start sobering up these legislators who think they can get away with another sale of our public trust."
Why just restrict it to calling on the phone? What about a "call" in person?
How about stopping off at the local art store for some poster sized paper and then heading on over to your nearest elected Democrat's office and hold a sign like:
60 People Die
per day lacking
SinglePayer
HealthCare
While
CA Rep Susan Davis
Enjoys Vacation
You can fill in whichever Democrat's office you happen to be standing in front of.
If enough people did this for just a couple of hours once a week then THAT would bring some sobriety right quick. It can also kick-off a movement to unseat in 2010 all those Democrats who betray the public trust.
Vote for a Democrat ever again? Make me do it.
Mr. Nader,
Children who haven't learned the difference between right and wrong must be "made" to do the right thing.
I believe President Obama knows the difference between right and wrong.
"Single Payer" health care is the only right thing to do for the American people!
I am sick and tired of the term "Political Will"!
You are right "mebadgett": "DO THE RIGHT THING"
HANDS ACROSS AMERICA RALLY for SINGLE PAYER(MEDICARE FOR ALL)
August 23, 2:00(cst)at or on your local main street
everyone should watch the new movie:
"DISTRICT 9" (warning: don't read further if you don't want the "spoiler"..and i'm leaving a space below so you can avert your eyes and scroll on to other commentary)
aliens landing on earth - but get stranded and unable to return to their spaceship that's floating above Johannesburg in south africa - so they are "allowed" a "district" of their own - and become a cause celebre or notoriety or derision for the whole world --
which is just FINE for the then-global dominant MNU (Multi-National-Unity - meaning corporations become more and more militaristic to "secure order" globally)...which are of course interested in profitmaking and do ANYTHING, for adopting the weaponry of the aliens which are "confiscated" by earthlings as the aliens are of course allowed only to be in their district like a slum.
EXCELLENT low-budget movie that is actually a metaphor for our times.
This article is typical Nader: progressive, brilliant, and passionate.
Single payer or Revolt!
Someone on another thread reminded me that I hadn't checked Michael Moore's website for quite some time. If anyone is interested, SICKO is showing on Turner Classic Movies on the following dates:
On The Movie Channel
08/17/09 at 6:30 AM
08/17/09 at 10:00 PM
On TMC Xtra
08/18/09 at 5:15 PM
On TMC Xtra
08/21/09 at 2:30 PM
On TMC Xtra
08/21/09 at 4:00 AM
I feel that Barack Obama was allowed to be elected so to place blame on a non-white for the excesses of the rich/white man mentality...war, war, war, against others, against their own, for the 'almighty' $$$. I was assured by someone 'relatively' close to him that he was the 'real deal' and could be trusted to work on behalf of the people, but I question that daily now, besides words I would like some proof, the progressives got him there and he needs to stand firm on his earlier promises. I write, protest and pray that those who understand the golden rule, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" will unite in their thoughts and actions and some universal awareness will suddenly, inexplicabley, be apparent....in a shrinking world full of wrong decision makers, we need something to shock us into reality...and remove the veils of deceit.
that could possible be true..
are they already working towards the next election time?
if they have,
control of
all media, or what you read in the papers daily, plus control of:
healthcare,
departement of Defense
Insurance companys
banks/
large corporations such as metals, automobiles,
and control of the web?
They could blame everything on this brand new, young president, and
then you would not have the ability to check up on them too, could you?
received this email from my icu nurse brother this a.m.:
OK, riddle me this. I have something like the flu. One person in the ICU has died from swine flu. I call my MD on a Saturday. He says to get Tamiflu and he'll send a prescription order right away. I have to wait until Monday for a simple throat swab, even though the lab that runs them is open 24-7. Why wait an extra 2 days for a definitive diagnosis? For insurance billing reasons. Thanks corporate Healthcare.
yup thanks heaps from me too....one of those 'one med. emergency away from homelessness' stats....
ahh,
swine flu?
does the name donald rumsfeld come to mind? as in drug (pharma) companys, and fear?
go straight to the source..
check out:
cdc.org, or centers for disease control and prevention in Atlanta..
They are the experts who takes millions a year to prevent outbreaks, and such.
Ralph my man ! I voted for you three in a row and you would have been better but what happened happened. Anyway, up until the end of your article, you were spot on. I hate to break it to you and everyone else reading and posting here but Congress is filled with long tenured criminals who are "immune" to our cries for single payer. This applies to Republicans and Democrats. We can call and bug 'em until eternity but Congress ain't gonna listen. The only way we can really make 'em do it is by voting them all out next year. Sorry.
frederick,
you mentioned voting?
I have a website for you, on voting fraud, election scandals, etc..here it is:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/electionscoverups
Obama is a vertitable caveman in that he caves, caves, caves to corporate interests. He is the last Dimascrap Presidential candidate that I will vote for unless he miraculously changes his tune. As ever Nader is right and fighting for our interests.
The solution is simple: we need to make it clear that we will not re=elect any politician who supports anything but single payer.
reading911 August 16th, 2009 12:14 pm................Do you seriously believe you have any power whatsoever over who becomes president?
We have power. We just choose to sit on our asses and moan about how awful things are instead of organising to USE our power.
DK could have been elected president in 2004...except that none of those who claim to want him as president would do anything more than sit around and complain.
If we get off our asses and start organising, we can have IMMENSE power.
Americans voted the Democrats in but thanks to Obama, Republicans are still making the laws. Now the Democrats will be blamed for bad Republican laws, laugh out loud.
The bottom line is that both of the parties are too far to the right to pass a reasonable health care law or even to fully understand the issues and requirements involved. You can get away with it on some things, but you can't be anti-progressive and solve health care. It appears to be that simple.
Obama, as Nader describes here, seems even more incapable to do anything that will work for more than a few short years than do the two parties as a whole. Moreover, Obama is so lame that he does not even seem qualified to be President. If Obama was a prime minister in a parliamentary democracy, there would already be some talk about a future vote of no confidence which could end his tenure and trigger a new election.
Although there are many other issues that both parties are too far to the right to successfully deal with, the health care issue is special. Most of the other issues requiring progressive input apparently don't have the kind of relatively near term "economy wrecking power" that the failed US health care system seems to pack.
"Long term" means about 50 years or many multiples of that whereas "near term" could be a few short decades. Even right wingers sit up and take notice when something threatens the economy in the near term, thus all the discussion about health care this year.
It appears that health care may be the thing which is first in line to bring down the hard right US system once and for all.
Consider this summary of the grim logic and plausible chain of events involved here. The political system can't fix the health care system. And the health care system is bringing down the economy as a whole. If the economy is destroyed, the political system would no doubt go with it.
this goes straight to voting in again...check out this one on our voting cover-ups.:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/electionscoverups
somebody has been pissing on your voting system.
I think perhaps Obama's choice of cabinet and advisors points out his position on things and would negate any push to make him do anything at all.
Attorney General Holder came out of a Washington DC law firm and worked for GW bush in the Rove lost email case. He worked for the RNC and defended the RNC in the new hampshire phone jamming case among other republican cases. I doubt he will address criminality of the past administration or revisit 911.
Obama surrounds him self with republicans and right wing hacks as he glibly lies to the progressive democrats. Hope that we the people could move him away from this position through phone calls or even marches in the street seem doomed to fail or not be effective.
Suggestions to make changes locally within our towns, counties and states, a bottom up push, would seem to be perhaps more effective. Understanding and taking action as consumer and wage slave is a place where we are face to face with the policies that fail us and face to face with those that profit without moral input and seek personal power and control, a place where we can have the most influence.
Quite unfortunately this would require a large amount of personal fortitude, strength, and intelligence and our actually forming coalitions with others that we may find our selves uncomfortable working with. As a very individualistic society I think perhaps it hard for us to understand the necessity in democracies of coalitions and community building blocks to address the issues that confront us and be the change and hope we wish someone else would just hand us.
He certainly has hired his fair share of Clitonistas as well and that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in me. When you look at Clinton and his capital gains tax cuts and banking deregulation, you realize he was the bluest of blue dogs. Obama is proving to be a huge disappointment but I don't know why my expectations were higher when you realize that there isn't a whole lot of truly progressive Democratic leadership out there. Conyers and Kucinich come to mind but that is about it.
The unbridled capitalism of Reagan has led to the corporate fascism we are now experiencing today. How else would you describe the banking bailouts and massive deregulation we are now experiencing. Marx pointed out that unbridled capitalism leads to an alienated worker and detached citizen. It has come to fruition and the lack of coalitions and community building in this country is more than evident. We're in a fine mess and I am not sure how we get out of it.
Obama is no Abe Lincoln. He fears walking through the valley of the shadow of change. He acts the part of a corporate house boy. He is ushering in a new age of the old broken down 20th Century. He is resistant to change, an anchor of the past. Change will blow by him and forever cast his vacuous smile in shame. Obama is milk toast.
The fat lady is not singing...yet. That said, his performance thus far is well below my lowest expectations. Stepin Fetchit comes to mind. Let us only hope he is ultimately subversive to the status quo.
" I saw the impertinent malice of mediocrity boastfully holding up its own emptiness as an abyss to be filled by the bodies of its betters."
A quote from Shakespeare?
No. Not by a long shot.
But the lines do have their brilliance.
They tend to capture that horrid essence of capitalism that causes both its masters and its slaves to see each other as dehumanized.
So then: any guesses as to the unwitting author?
[This questions shouldn't be too difficult to answer, at least at first....]
It was Ayn Rand writing in Atlas Shrugged. Richard Halley, I believe but, I'll have to look at it again. Yeah, I read that piece of shit book when I was a kid. I even read the whole speech that went on for page after page...lol
The John Galt speech in the book was more than I could handle. And, it did go on, page after page, after page! In fact, I skipped it -- once I had read a few pages! To me, the speech seemed so pretentious.
A friend of mine gave me a copy of the book when I was attending college.
I read her Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged too - also "enthusiastically" suggested to me by a college friend...
and after a while..i decided it was nothing but self-important condescension and PLENTY of bitterness.
I can't even really recall the episodes as what kept jumping out at me was this constant sense of condescension and contempt in her writings towards the "unelect".
and she made out this John Galt (the architect) as some kind of godlike figure that out of frustration at the "undeserving"...was going to destroy his "creations" for society - as if some kind of God withholding his blessings...meaning
The "people don't deserve our TRICKLE DOWN economics because they are such INGRATES towards OUR kindness and generosity of being their BETTERS".......
of course Rand was known for developing those "concepts" as a result of her RICH family's experience in soviet russia of being dispossessed by the communist revolution.
her work basically is a reflection of a rich , comfortable bourgouie's bitterness that her socially and economically elevated status - based as it was on historical feudalism and incipient capitalism - or something akin to "royalty" or "nobility" was dashed to pieces by the "proletariat".
whatever the merits or demerits of communism or socialism OR the demerits of the way they were applied in russia -
Ayn Rand's rantings were just that -- rantings, couched as philosophy, by a rich woman resentful that her life of privilege was "stolen" from her and her family...so she makes up this John Galt character symbolizing how the rich did it all by their honest to goodness hardwork and honesty and decency -- and ordinary folks are poor because they "deserve it"...........
no wonder ronald reagan adored her..for her making the rich look like martyrs in the midst of the '"lazy, undeserving" masses....
meaning - the peasants of the world , in her view.
she is the High Priestess of "we the rich are rich because we are DESTINED to be rich and it is our BIRTHRIGHT".
I mourn for your lost childhood :-)
Posting Rand quotes on a progressive website? I'm surprised the server didn't crash.
Let's do it, Ralphie! Howabout the rest of yous? Are you in?
Now, MAKE THAT CALL!
That's 1-202-224-3121
CALL NOW!
"The full Medicare, single payer bill (backed by nearly ninety legislators) is H.R. 676"
I called my Congresswoman Kathy Castor about Rep. Weiner's amendment a couple weeks ago, but I'll definitely start calling her district office to ask her to support the full HR676 bill when it comes down to a floor vote.
Jeevee
NOW will you start looking at the voting records???
hey Jeevee, you can start with this website, on voting cover-ups..http://www.wanttoknow.info/electionscoverups
The part that's really scaring me is who's going to be the Reagan to Obama's Carter?
Oh that's so easy to answer--Mitt "the Mormon-Nazi thug" Romney. His polished jack-boots, swastika armband, and SS collar pins are waiting for their chance to "come out of the closet" and glitter before the goose-step strutting masses.
Be afraid, be very afraid, because he is neither old and senile nor in the posession of any kind of historical consciouosness of the past 100 years or so of contemporary history. His mind is the perfect blank slate on which corporate America can scribble its latest abominations designed to make the world desolate in the name of greater profits.
Poet
Sarah Palin.
I'm tellin' ya... if Obama doesn't pull off a big (undeniable) win with single payer healthcare, he's history. Expect Hillary to challenge him and win the nomination. She'll then face Palin.
Of course, its just my take.
Hillary vs. Obama? That's soooo retro. Hillary turning on Obama would be viewed as the Super Bitch. Her only chance is 2016.
Nader's usual trenchant analysis nicely sinks the canard that Obama is an FDR analogue.
The FDR "make me do it" anecdote always seemed spurious to me. As RichM's frequent comments on this point explain so well, FDR's seeming invitation to be coerced into supporting reform and benefits programs was issued at a time when governments were far more fearful of mass rebellion and revolution, and labor unions had found their footing.
The implication that Obama sort of winked and gave a quiet thumbs-up to progressive, populist values doesn't stand up upon consideration of the totality of the circumstances.
Nader complements this argument by underscoring the typically overlooked fact that FDR actually supported the goals of labor and left-wing populists, even if FDR's motives were not necessarily altruistic and pure.
Clearly, Obama is at best cool to politically labor-and-capital-intensive ambitious hopes to reform health care and rehabilitate civil liberties and the rule of law. He's the Man of a Thousand Poses, but his disdain for policies and programs that benefit ordinary citizens at the expense of corporate and financial interests is no pose.
Since winning the nomination, much less since getting elected, Obama "castled" behind his right rook and has been working ever since against populist, progressive, and humanitarian politics by fortifying his instinctive reactionary attitude with a ring of neoliberal Clintonista hawks military brass, and-- last, but not least-- banksters.
His ONE exception, way back when, was his alleged desire to have Dawn Johnsen appointed head of the OLC. Obama has let Johnsen twist slowly in the wind ever since. Her name will go down in infamy, in the manner of Lani Guinier.
So remaining Obama apologists need to stop pimping the wholly discredited view that he's always been waiting for sufficient arm-twisting from progressives and populists to challenge the Ruling Class vested interests as FDR did.
Otherwise, I appreciate that Ralph continues to call for citizen action to sway their elected misrepresentatives from their usual disastrous course.
But it brings to mind a scene from "The Simpsons" when Marge, Bart and his buddy Milhouse visit a sporting goods store to outfit Bart with a football uniform and equipment-- including a protective cup.
Bart tries on the outfit, then stands in front of the dressing room demanding that Milhouse kick him in the groin to test the newly-installed cup. Milhouse gets in a few swift kicks before Marge intervenes, and Bart confirms with smug satisfaction that he didn't feel a thing.
I'm pretty sure that it's mandatory for federal elected misrepresentatives to wear a cup.
· Yr Obd't Servant
Yes, the "make me do it" thing is getting a little old. Of course, what Ralph suggests should be done, but those who can write on the "blank slate" that Obama claims to be are obviously only the plutocrats and their minions. (Maybe we can write, but it's in disappearing ink.) Nothing could be more obvious at this point. "Make me do it" becomes another "dragging out" diversion, like "give him another few months".
By all means, deluge them with letters and messages. It's important to make ourselves known and keep the flow going, but the danger is thinking that it is enough.
Right now, the Obama administration (and Congress) probably believes the progressives are restless, but, as long as they can be contained in the ghetto, the corporatocracy can get along with its business. (The ghetto is a set of cultural assumptions and actions that seemingly validate ourselves but have little effect beyond the ghetto.) Maybe a flood of messages will help, but they may not be "sticks and stones". The whole set of corporate assumptions has to be undermined.
I agree with Abe Winken...work on the local things, too. We have some single payer legislation advancing in my state. Also, look at something like the Pharmacy Ownership Law in North Dakota (not exactly a blue state).
http://www.newrules.org/retail/rules/pharmacy-ownership-laws/pharmacy- ownership-law-north-dakota
Wal Mart, Walgreen's, and others fought it tooth and nail, but it survived and is still on the books. It's a great local measure and a bright spot. Maybe we are a little reluctant to step outside the ghetto, although there may be some green fields out there worth exploring. We have to out-think the corporatocracy. If we share practical political assumptions about ourselves with it, we won't get far.
I'm afraid that UNLESS americans show their displeasure EN MASSE - all at once - in the great majority - where it can no longer be hidden by media - and continuously - nothing will change.
just look at ALL the changes - radical ones - or at least for the moments that they forced changes - whether of leadership or politics or otherwise -
only when the people showed up ALL AT ONCE - after a groundswell of independent frustrations -- did the powers BEGIN TO FEAR the people.
that was in part really how the soviet union also collapsed...everyone saw - the russians simply showed they had ENOUGH of being "fearful" of the state apparatus.
the berlin wall fell when the germans of both sides just put all things aside - and just went the "old way" - just simply tore down the wall.
extremely disappointing is the generous way to say it about obama.
he is summed up in a few words:
"SALESMAN"
"SOLD"
"SELL-OUT".
i honestly don't know how he thinks he can continue his "ambiguities" when talking to the american public ...and then turn around with the secret deals against the american public...and still expect , come campaign time , to be believed when just this short into his presidency he has already a VERY long list of flops and discrediting decisions -- that would make Bill Clinton or George Bush blush at the "expertise" with which obama out-performs them.
it's really amazing how power and the ambition for it can corrupt.
and sad that it has to happen with the first black president that should, by itself, have been the great opportunity to truly move towards greater justice...as Dr Martin Luther King, Jr dreamed of...
and yet Obama turns all of that on its head.
We already voted so it's too late at this point. I think it's best for me to pay attention to my gubenatorial race in VA and help elect an independent governor who supports single payer for the state rather than helplessly try to phone our damn Congress critters in Washington who won't listen anyway. I suggest you people also fight for single payer in your state legislatures first just like Canada before hoping for national single payer.
I would try to keep in touch but up to a point. At some point, no amount of trying to contact them will work. I agree with the idea of trying to get one's own state to pass single payer.
At least now it seems the Obamabots mostly get tired of defending this fraud known as Barack Obama, the Beije Bush. The mask has fallen off, even compulsive liars like Randi Rhodes are having a hard time covering up for Obaminable.
Remember that more than two million registered Democrats voted for Bush in 2000 but cretins like Rhodes and most Dumbocrats still blame Nader for Bush's "victory" that year, and that just because Al Bore, who couldn't even win his own home state, lost by some 500 votes in Florida. Democrats are the ultimate scum, at least Republicans don't pretend they're not corporate criminals. Democrats do.
I'm getting so sick of that line about Nader "stealing" the 2000 election, or 2004, or was it both that he stole? Jesus Christ, who knows anymore. What a tired piece of horse dung that line is.
If the Democratic party is so bereft and bankrupt that they can't even take a win from the guy who pulled in 3% of the vote, I'd say you have bigger problems than Ralph Nader!
I was recently banned from one of those "Democratic" blogs for mentioning Nader one too many times. Honestly, what a bunch of 5-year-olds. How are these cretins different from the clowns at Redstate and Freeperville?
What I find disconcerting when I come to progressive sites like this one is this anger towards Democrats. I certainly would like a strong social Democrat party that would put a nasty wrench in these corporate fascist machinations but reality says otherwise. I can be frustrated and angry or I can look to move the Democratic party towards socialist goals and ideals. I choose the latter. That said, I vote for third party candidates when I see a solid one. What I don't do is vote for a Republican because I know an enemy when I see one.
You'll get no apologies from me regarding my Obama vote. I had to live through Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. I understand the realities of not voting for a Democrat president. You apparently do not.
What I find disconcerting is to find progressives still voting for Democrats. You say you don't vote for a Republican but you do when you put an Obama or a Bill Clinton in office, don't you realize that? Are you people ever waking up?
Isn't Obama betrayal of his campaign promises enough? His continuation and enhancing of ALL Bush policies? Or the 2007/8 Democratic backstabbing of the American voter after their take over of congress in 2006? Or Bill Clinton, the best Republican president we've ever had? Are you really that blind? During 8 years of the genocidal Bush administration, Democrats
1) Refused to stop funding his wars.
2) Refused to impeach him for several crimes.
3) Refused to investigate him for torture.
4) Allowed right-wingers like Mukasey, Gonzales and others to be confirmed.
5) Confirmed right-wingers into the Supreme Court.
6) Rubber stamped gargantuan military budgets.
7) Allowed Bush to spew 935 lies about the war without one single filibuster!
8) Allowed Cheney to out CIA agents and defy subpoenas.
9) Granted Bush and the Telecoms immunity for spying on Americans.
10) Insert your favorite Democratic Party backstabbing here____________.
For HEAVENS' SAKES wake the f*ck up.
Are the Dems in congress who support the single payer bill, fools and criminals?
Waldo, who did you vote for who had the experience and support to fix it?
Are you trying to apologize for Democrats by claiming there might still be a handful of good apples left in the party? What power do they have? These clowns' function is to keep gullible voters like you from leaving the party once and for all. They're useless unless they quit and start a new party.
The real power in the DNC belongs to extreme corporate criminals like Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, the Clintos, Obama, Kerry and Biden. Like the GOP, the corporations pull the strings, there's absolutely no hope, let it go.
We all know about the corporations.
I support Progressives in Congress and we need more.
You won't get anything you want condemning all Dems.
You are free to believe what you want, but don't tell me what to do or how to vote.
Since you couldn't answer my simple question, I would ask you again who you voted for but with your clownish attitude, I don't give a hoot.
He's 7 months into his first term. I am not ready to throw the towel in. He should have done a war crimes investigation. I agree. Confirmed right-wingers to the Supreme Court? Huh? Better fund the military until we withdraw. The rest of the stuff you cite was done by Republicans. Now you try to blame him?
Any socialist gains we make in this country are going to have to be done within the framework we have today. I am not holding my breath for a violent revolution when we can't even organize a march on DC for single payer. Given the level of corporate fascist control in this country, the deck is clearly stacked. That doesn't mean we can't mount a serious counter attack and I think developing a highly progressive and vocal arm of the Democratic party would be a good first step.
You didn't read my post carefully, I was blaming Democrats in general for aiding, abetting and co-conspiring with Bush & Cheney for 8 long years. Please stop making excuses for Obama and his right-wing party. I can see you 3 years from now telling us that one term is not enough, no more dishonesty please.
"What I find disconcerting when I come to progressive sites like this one is this anger towards Democrats."
If you would actually read carefully and think about the issues instead of party affiliation alone, you would have realized that we're angry with the Republicans but we're just as angry with the Democrats who play go-along get-along with them.
"You'll get no apologies from me regarding my Obama vote. I had to live through Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. I understand the realities of not voting for a Democrat president. You apparently do not."
Oh please ! That's nothing but Obama apologist talk. Obama always lionizes Ronnie Raygun and he's continuing Dubya's policies and making it even worse. Pay attention to what's being discussed or at least go back and read the archives.
"Democrats are the ultimate scum"
What the heck? I can read just fine. I don't belong to the Democratic party. I would like a strong social democrat party that supports moving towards nationalizing the healthcare, insurance and energy industries. I would like a party that supports government provided higher education. I don't have one. I can pout and call democrats scum but that won't do a bit of good. The reality is, of the two parties, my socialist ideology has a better chance of being adopted by the democrats than the republicans.
As for Obama apologist, that isn't the case at all. I am just not prepared to make a final judgment at this point in time. You'll get no apologies or condemnations.
Lefty August 16th, 2009 10:46 am...........What "light" do you see in the Obama strategy that allows you to have some idea that Obama will suddenly become the "peoples" president? Do you see him hopping off the corporate bandwagon? Is he re-instating habeas corpus? Is he calling for a new investigation of 9/11? Is he rescinding the Patriot Act? The MCA? Is he holding the last administration accountable for their myriad crimes? Is the Valerie Plame case being re-investigated? Is anyone talking about the use of DU in the ME? Are war crimes being investigated? Is anyone taking a second look at the crimes of Katrina. Is anyone in the administration looking into the idea that OBL died in December of 2001, according to Egyptian headlines? Has Blackwater been barred from any further government contracts? KBR? Halliburton? Is anyone looking for the 350B dollars that has disappeared under TARP? Does anyone care that children were tortured in our name? That anyone was tortured in our name?
What light do you see that I am missing?
Bravissimo. You see that you got no rebuttals from Obamabots. They have absolutely no argument against the bitter truth about what President Obusha really represents.
So join them like Arlo if you feel that way....
We need it all.
Parties are tools to use by the people if we use them.
Parties are tools to use by the people with brains, but Democratic and Republicans voters have none. Democrats and Republicans are not parties to begin with, they're co-conspiring criminal enterprises operating in perfect harmony. Only fools believe they oppose each other in any way, shape or form. They never did.
OK, If you are better than all the criminal fools who run the show, what do you suggest in reply of Ralph Nader's article?
More "2012 talk". Always deferring action until the "next election". Always.
And, sorry Ralph, but phone calls will do nothing.
All they'll understand is a million pissed-off people at their front door who refuse to leave until a fair, single payer deal is cut. Period.
Only that will get their attention and get us what we what.
Anything else will fall short.
I'm not sure millions of bodies in Washington will do the trick. Before we invaded Iraq literally millions hit the streets around the world and look where that got us...I'd sure take the bus ride to DC if progressives would just organize a gigantic march that included ALL lefties and free thinkers.
I think you're wrong - phone calls will do something, just not enough.
Nader is right - we need to do it all. Email, call, write letters, join www.singlepayeraction.org, sign up to organize events at your mis-representatives' district offices (which I just did at the web site), AND show up pissed-off at their offices. Hell, do it all!
Again, join an organization that is focused on this issue. Calling for people to stage anything without an organizing entity is like blowing smoke.
If you're gonna contact your Congress critters, make sure you have a million bucks to entice 'em with. Otherwise, it's too late once they're voted into office.
I get your point, but disagree that it's too late. Fear is a powerful motivator and even a rich man will let loose of his gold if he is afraid for his life.
If your representative has been in office longer, there ain't no way you're gonna be able to get him or her to listen. They're often well established and unlikely to give in to public opinion. Good luck if your rep is one of 'em.
Two days after taking office, Al Franken already had $2,500 in his coffers from the health insurance industry.
These scum lobbyists are THAT fast. And I'm sure there will be more where that came from. Anybody who thinks Franken told his aides to get on the phone to Blue Cross and give that money back is delusional.
These politicians are corrupt to the core.
Franken's a pro-Israel centrist anyway. You can't trust him.
moonpie August 15th, 2009 7:11 pm......You have nailed it exactly. Until that happens, all talk is BS.
IT'S ALL TALK UNTIL WE WALK!
I'm in. When and where do we stage? I've had enough of right wing news hour. Let's make some news!
...and therein lies our quandary, Lefty... who will lead?
You'd think our wonderful leaders--writers, publishers, activists (and perhaps even a trusted political weasel or two) in the progressive camp--would have banded together & stepped up. Nope. They're too busy carving their little niches in the markets and smoozing each other.
The Huffington Posts, TruthDigs, The Nations, The Progressives, The Michael Moores, The Bill Mahers, The Antiwars, the JIm Hightowers, the Howard Zinn, and of course everyones favorite liberal, PBSs Bill Moyers. You know, the liberal MONEYMAKERS.
Come to think of it, I wonder if they could actually come together--personality and ego wise-- to put on a Peoples Political Woodstock? I think not, they have a vested interest in seeing that things stay the same--there's more money in that than camping out for a few weeks on the Capital Steps.
Just my take, mind you.
I agree MP. Our business and political leaders have failed us miserably these last 30 years. We are clearly heading backwards. That said, I have to look in the mirror and realize my own lack of action has done nothing to stem the tide.
When people have to make their politicians do it, then we don't live in a democracy. Nader's suggestion that a million people call their members of Congress only goes so far. Who controls the politicians? Except for voting, we don't. The corporation do almost every day. We will have to first take control of the corporations before we can make the puppets do it.
How do you plan to take over and control the corporations?
Are you speaking of taking them over by force? Or, by trying to take them over from within?
Either way... the latter way is a comical idea, I think. But, I would be willing to hear the plan.
As to the former way: if you try to take over the corporations by force it means that you will also have to "get past" and defeat the State and their goon-squads (police). Understand that these two entities have a symbiotic relationship - they support and reinforce each other.
The State (government) has ALWAYS protected the capitalists first and foremost. They ALWAYS side with and protect corporate economic interests and property rights (after all, protecting property rights is one of it's main functions) over protecting the common interests of the people. In short, the state is simply a coercive mechanism that is essential to ensure that the power elites are able to dominate and exploit the planet and the masses by protecting certain economic monopolies from which the power elites derive their wealth.
EDIT: After already posting my first response I see that (through reading your response to others) that you have further elaborated on your once vague idea of "taking control of the corporations."
Take care
Right, your gonna take control of the corporations without calling anybody in power.
Anything by itself only goes so far and that is why we need everything.
The people need to speak out inside and outside the system.
Since the built up animosity of Ralph and the Dems, both competing for progressive votes, I have been thinking that his ideas will have a better chance to shake up this winner take all system if he ran as a radical Green Republican.
I think that party is in need of a new direction and the majority of their voters are not wealthy. They are trapped into this world is against them mind frame ...like many of us are here.
He can take the lead from Arlo Guthrie who joined the Republican Party because he believes that since we have this system that has evolved, the Republicans are very important to change.
Most of the "vote 3rd party posters" from our past discussions over the years want to teach the Dems a lesson by getting a Republican in so why not teach the Republicans how to be real populists and Nader would get their ear real fast.
Just a suggestion since I think Ralph could get his good ideas across much better as a Green Republican.
And all the progressive 3rd parties need to get together for voter power. Inside and outside, together forward.
Make the Republicans do it too!
Still Dreamin
You're missing my point. Congress is controlled like puppets by the huge corporations. But we the people who do business with those big corporations can stop doing business with them and switch to good corporations and small businesses. We could also find ways to help take over the bad leadership of those bad corporations and turn them into good puppet masters for the people. That's what I mean by working from the system inside and out.
OK.
I'm following your comments back and forth...
about reversing the direction of the hostile corporate takeovers.
I would so love to see THEM taken over for a change, by.....what in their place??
Watched "Food Inc." last night.
Knew most of it already - but the video reality is still haunting me.
Today I say www.storyofstuff.com
One year ago I watched "The Money Master"
BUT.... 3 years ago I discovered Sudbury Valley Schools.
www.sudval.org
The shining light in the midst of darkness!
Sudbury Valley is a school that is democratically run, by the students, k - 12.
They handle all aspects of the school - from finances to hiring the staff....EVERYTHING!
What's brings sense to all this jumble?
I wrote Mr. Nadar.
I told him he has me listening because he can identify the problems.
I had to say that he looses me because he can't paint a picture of the alternative.
The "democracy" that we have now, barely registers a pulse.
Instead of "fighting it", maybe we can go with the tao.
Talk more about the picture, the vision....
Get some detail, put some meat on the bones, get poetic.
Here's mine..
#1 check out www.sudval.org to see how to handle the kids
It's the best investment in the democratic process a society could ever make
#2 do you know of permaculture? It's the blueprint to Permanent Culture
In my world, everybody would be signing up for courses.
#3 check out the weston price foundation. A diet for consideration.
Together with permaculture....
THESE ARE THE INGREDIENTS OF HEALTH CARE!!!!!!!!!
I didn't see Sicko - but I think he missed the point.
Our cultural conditioning (addicts to consumerism) can't be fixed by any of the "health" care bills.
Call those bills "body mechanics" - or something else.
Please don't confuse the reality of the current medical system by labeling it "health"
It's late where I live - got to make the dinner
I went to singlepayeraction.org but there was no petition to sign.
Yeah, hitting the Join the Action is the only way to be part of the 1m but don't see petition either.
This line is starting to sound like a defiant taunt instead of a pleas for public support. Be careful what you wish for President Obama, you just may get it!
Poet
"It is up to the people of our country to "make him do it" whether this year or next. A mere one million immediate calls to members of Congress by one million assertive citizens will start sobering up these legislators who think they can get away with another sale of our public trust."
I'm not so sure that it will work this time. Last year, in Kansas City, MO, 99% of those who called Congressman Cleaver on the issue of bailouts to Wall Street opposed the package but he still voted for it.
http://www.allbusiness.com/government/elections-politics-politics-political-parties/12100254-1.html
And this is the problem. We all vote for Congress members who keep doing it to us and yet we expect different results. I'm not so sure calling them does any wonders anymore. They listen to money more than voices. I would like to ask all of you on this forum which of you are employed and how long do you work a day? The reason I ask is some people who are employed work longer shifts and are unable to get to know what's really happening. Until recently, I didn't have the time to read or post because I worked 11-13 hours a day on average. Another thing to consider is that despite the polls showing that 70% agree with single payer, there are more people who don't even know what it is to begin with. I strongly support single payer but we have to keep the masses in mind. If more people don't know it, then aren't the polls flawed? I am very disappointed with Obama for paying more attention to the drug and insurance companies and not the people. But I don't see Congress any better because most of them have been there for years. Good luck calling them but I don't trust them to listen to us.
Stanley1979 August 15th, 2009 5:51 pm.........The bailout was pushed through CONgress by Bush threatening martial law. A few members held out. Most were scared crapless. This is how the Bush family has always done things...blackmail, murder, force and money.
Bush threatening martial law? Don't recall that one. Gotta link to it?
Congress is filled with corporate puppets. We have to take control of the corporations that are pulling the puppet strings first.
Shawn Berry August 15th, 2009 7:14 pm....Try this..If it gets truncated, just google "Bush...martial law bailout..OPED had a good article...................................http://www.opednews.com/articles/Representatives-Were-Threa-by-Patrick-Henningsen-081004-301.html
Look a few posts below, I "un-truncated" it.