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Is Obama Punking Us?
He should know. Thursday was the eighth anniversary of “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.,” the President’s Daily Brief that his boss ignored while on vacation in Crawford. Aug. 29 marks the fourth anniversary of Hurricane Katrina’s strike on the Louisiana coast, which his boss also ignored while on vacation in Crawford.
So do have a blast in Martha’s Vineyard, President Obama.
Even as we wait for some unexpected disaster to strike, Beltway omens for the current White House are grim. Obama’s poll numbers are approaching free fall, we are told. If he fails on health care, he’s toast. Indeed, many of the bloviators who spot a fatal swoon in the Obama presidency are the same doomsayers who in August 2008 were predicting his Election Day defeat because he couldn’t “close the deal” and clear the 50 percent mark in matchups with John McCain.
Here are two not very daring predictions: Obama will get some kind of health care reform done come fall. His poll numbers will not crater any time soon.
Yet there is real reason for longer-term worry in the form of a persistent, anecdotal drift toward disillusionment among some of the president’s supporters. And not merely those on the left. This concern was perhaps best articulated by an Obama voter, a real estate agent in Virginia, featured on the front page of The Washington Post last week. “Nothing’s changed for the common guy,” she said. “I feel like I’ve been punked.” She cited in particular the billions of dollars in bailouts given to banks that still “act like they’re broke.”
But this mood isn’t just about the banks, Public Enemy No. 1. What the Great Recession has crystallized is a larger syndrome that Obama tapped into during the campaign. It’s the sinking sensation that the American game is rigged — that, as the president typically put it a month after his inauguration, the system is in hock to “the interests of powerful lobbyists or the wealthiest few” who have “run Washington far too long.” He promised to smite them.
No president can do that alone, let alone in six months. To make Obama’s goal more quixotic, the ailment that he diagnosed is far bigger than Washington and often beyond politics’ domain. What disturbs Americans of all ideological persuasions is the fear that almost everything, not just government, is fixed or manipulated by some powerful hidden hand, from commercial transactions as trivial as the sales of prime concert tickets to cultural forces as pervasive as the news media.
It’s a cynicism confirmed almost daily by events. Last week Brian Stelter of The Times reported that the corporate bosses of MSNBC and Fox News, Jeffrey Immelt of General Electric and Rupert Murdoch of News Corporation, had sanctioned their lieutenants to broker what a G.E. spokesman called a new “level of civility” between their brawling cable stars, Keith Olbermann and Bill O’Reilly. A Fox spokesman later confirmed to Howard Kurtz of The Post that “there was an agreement” at least at the corporate level. Olbermann said he was a “party to no deal,” and in any event what looked like a temporary truce ended after The Times article was published. But the whole scrape only fed legitimate suspicions on the right and left alike that even their loudest public voices can be silenced if the business interests of the real American elite decree it.
You might wonder whether networks could some day cut out the middlemen — anchors — and just put covert lobbyists and publicists on the air to deliver the news. Actually, that has already happened. The most notorious example was the flock of retired military officers who served as television “news analysts” during the Iraq war while clandestinely lobbying for defense contractors eager to sell their costly wares to the Pentagon.
The revelation of that scandal did not end the practice. Last week MSNBC had to apologize for deploying the former Newsweek writer Richard Wolffe as a substitute host for Olbermann without mentioning his new career as a corporate flack. Wolffe might still be anchoring on MSNBC if the blogger Glenn Greenwald hadn’t called attention to his day job. MSNBC assured its viewers that there were no conflicts of interest, but we must take that on faith, since we still don’t know which clients Wolffe represents as a senior strategist for his firm, Public Strategies, whose chief executive is the former Bush White House spin artist, Dan Bartlett.
Let’s presume that Wolffe’s clients do not include the corporate interests with billions at stake in MSNBC and Washington’s Topic A, the health care debate. If so, he’s about the only player in the political-corporate culture who’s not riding that gravy train.
As Democrats have pointed out, the angry hecklers disrupting town-hall meetings convened by members of Congress are not always ordinary citizens engaging in spontaneous grass-roots protests or even G.O.P. operatives, but proxies for corporate lobbyists. One group facilitating the screamers is FreedomWorks, which is run by the former Congressman Dick Armey, now a lobbyist at the DLA Piper law firm. Medicines Company, a global pharmaceutical business, has paid DLA Piper more than $6 million in lobbying fees in the five years Armey has worked there.
But the Democratic members of Congress those hecklers assailed can hardly claim the moral high ground. Their ties to health care interests are merely more discreet and insidious. As Congressional Quarterly reported last week, industry groups contributed almost $1.8 million in the first six months of 2009 alone to the 18 House members of both parties supervising health care reform, Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer among them.
Then there are the 52 conservative Blue Dog Democrats, who have balked at the public option for health insurance. Their cash intake from insurers and drug companies outpaces their Democratic peers by an average of 25 percent, according to The Post. And let’s not forget the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee, which has raked in nearly $500,000 from a single doctor-owned hospital in McAllen, Tex. — the very one that Obama has cited as a symbol of runaway medical costs ever since it was profiled in The New Yorker this spring.
In this maze of powerful moneyed interests, it’s not clear who any American in either party should or could root for. The bipartisan nature of the beast can be encapsulated by the remarkable progress of Billy Tauzin, the former Louisiana congressman. Tauzin was a founding member of the Blue Dog Democrats in 1994. A year later, he bolted to the Republicans. Now he is chief of PhRMA, the biggest pharmaceutical trade group. In the 2008 campaign, Obama ran a television ad pillorying Tauzin for his role in preventing Medicare from negotiating for lower drug prices. Last week The Los Angeles Times reported — and The New York Times confirmed — that Tauzin, an active player in White House health care negotiations, had secured a behind-closed-doors flip-flop, enlisting the administration to push for continued protection of drug prices. Now we know why the president has ducked his campaign pledge to broadcast such negotiations on C-Span.
The making of legislative sausage is never pretty. The White House has to give to get. But the cynicism being whipped up among voters is justified. Unlike Hillary Clinton, whose chief presidential campaign strategist unapologetically did double duty as a high-powered corporate flack, Obama promised change we could actually believe in.
His first questionable post-victory step was to assemble an old boys’ club of Robert Rubin protégés and Goldman-Citi alumni as the White House economic team, including a Treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner, who failed in his watchdog role at the New York Fed as Wall Street’s latest bubble first inflated and then burst. The questions about Geithner’s role in adjudicating the subsequent bailouts aren’t going away, and neither is the angry public sense that the fix is still in. We just learned that nine of those bailed-out banks — which in total received $175 billion of taxpayers’ money, but as yet have repaid only $50 billion — are awarding a total of $32.6 billion in bonuses for 2009.
It’s in this context that Obama can’t afford a defeat on health care. A bill will pass in a Democrat-controlled Congress. What matters is what’s in it. The final result will be a CAT scan of those powerful Washington interests he campaigned against, revealing which have been removed from the body politic (or at least reduced) and which continue to metastasize. The Wall Street regulatory reform package Obama pushes through, or doesn’t, may render even more of a verdict on his success in changing the system he sought the White House to reform.
The best political news for the president remains the Republicans. It’s a measure of how out of touch G.O.P. leaders like Mitch McConnell and John Boehner are that they keep trying to scare voters by calling Obama a socialist. They have it backward. The larger fear is that Obama might be just another corporatist, punking voters much as the Republicans do when they claim to be all for the common guy. If anything, the most unexpected — and challenging — event that could rock the White House this August would be if the opposition actually woke up.
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Show AllYou can called it "punked". I call it "f---ed!
I sure hope that twaddle that they are calling "Health Care Reform" fails BIGTIME...... why do we need a program WORSE than the debacle we currently have in the USA?
Obama has a book, "Dreams of my Father". It turns out that obama is just a dream, this presidency needs to fail and get the hook, and the folks had better start building their new parties. "Get'n kind of late" would be a generous overview of where that process is, and is headed.
I never understood why he would write a book with that title. If you had a father that knocked up a young girl and then ran out on her, leaving the girl and child with nothing, why would you honor a bum like that. It seems to me that his worthless old man exemplifies one of the oft repeated criticisms of black men in this country. If anything, he should have written the book about his mother.
He already did and he ain't alone. It's time to put all of them in the slammers where they belong !
Obamassiah could spend 24/7 for the remainder of this term and the next and
he could not make up for how he sold us out in the first seven months. Just as a reminder, here's a list from a previous article by David Michael Green.....
steered hundreds of billions of bail-out dollars to the very people who drove the country into the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, required nothing of these sharks in return, and did almost nothing for ordinary Americans struggling to survive this disaster?
...opposed congressional legislation limiting financial institution incentive pay packages that put the whole global economy at risk?
...opposed legislation allowing shareholders the right to have even a non-binding say on salaries, even though executives took home billions in bonuses last year while their companies were hemorrhaging money so badly they required a trillion bucks in taxpayer bail-out?
...actually threatened Britain, America's closest ally in the world, with withdrawal of intelligence data that could prevent terrorist attacks unless the British government blocked one of its courts from accepting documented evidence of torture at Guantánamo?
...sent droves of Predator-launched missiles into Pakistan – supposedly one of America's allies – killing groups of civilians, even at weddings, thus intensifying hatred toward the United States?
...tried to shut down a charity's illegal-surveillance suit against the government on the basis of a supposed constitutionally-grounded state secrets privilege which would allow the president to kill any legal case before it is even heard?
...undertook a blitz of immigration enforcement without reform of civil rights violations so nasty that one professor of immigration law described the policies as "literally the worst of all worlds"?
...refused to set legally enforceable immigration detention rules covering such basics as health care and legal representation, instead relying on a flawed contractor-based monitoring system?
...pressured a member of Congress to withdraw an amendment that would have ended the military's disastrous "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" regime, simply by defunding it?
...asked a federal court to dismiss a case in which the plaintiffs challenged the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act, arguing to the court that heterosexual marriage is "the traditional, and universally recognized, version of marriage"?
...dramatically increased the influence of religion in government, directly violating the First Amendment, by lavishly spending federal dollars on "faith-based" programs, and giving religious groups massively increased power and access within the White House to shape policy questions?
...stood by silently, allowing climate legislation to be watered down to nothing, to include generous pollution allowances to coal utilities, and to undermine the EPA's authority to control carbon emissions?
...backed healthcare legislation that did little for the public and actually increased wasteful federal expenditures, while continuing to enrich insurance, medical, hospital and pharmaceutical corporation vampires.
Succinct.
Would you please post a link to that David Michael Green article?
Oh, what a surprise.
O-bomb-a!
The lying corporate shills who inhabit the White House and Congress make me yearn for the days of Richard M. (Tricky Dick) Nixon, who, in hindsite, would be considered a wild-eyed liberal in today's setting.
How many betrayals by our so-called elected representatives will it take for Americans to take to the streets and chase these sons-of-bitches out of our government?
What passes for the left wing in this country is led by namby-pambies like Obama, Reid and Pelosi. My god! Where are the real men in this nation?
FYI: MCcain could have easily beaten obwama after the Palin surge of legitimacy. All he had to do was have the intestinal fortitude to oppose the bailout mania. Eighty five percent of the public was against the stupidity and Mccain went against their wishes.
People were duped by a smooth talking racist immersed socialist, and wealth envy promoting hack.
You are a troll and no socialist. Obama is no more socialist than Pinochet. McCain lost because after eight years of Bush, no Rethug was going to win.
You stupid right wingers think that Obama snowed you? He promised the left that he would be for labor with EFCA, that he supported real health care reform and that he would end the wars. He's done none of these. They should feel way more hosed than you right wingers who still get to see cuts to social programs, no actual 'stimulus' monies distributed to actual people and no real health care reform. Trust me, in Obama, you Rethugs got exactly the president you wanted. Don't forget, a rising tide lifts all ships but, not if you hole every hull except the yachts.
BO is just another punk for the oligarchy; the crime family; and the MIC. He is just their puppet. Change I never believed in by this con man.
Just another punk, indeed, and well on the way to becoming little more than a buffoon.
Of course he is. How can any President be for the common man? The very nature of his position makes him a threat to individual freedom. And of course the government and corporate interests are tied together. It isn't anything new. The government and especially the executive branch could not ever advance the interests of the common man against the elite. It is impossible.
This President has betrayed almost every campaign promise he has made. Not even Bush was so un-American as to ask citizens to report on each other. Or to support a Health Care Plan that leaves Americans with less than they have now at a far higher cost. Or to ramp up a war that should never have been. Nor support an energy tax in the middle of a deep recession. On and on and on........
It only remains to be seen if this Congress will betray America too. We will soon know.
Whoa Henry. I know Obama has been a disappointment in many ways and I too wished that single payer health care would get passed instead of the compromised bill. I would hope that this bill for healthcare reform is not prolonged lest it gets worse than our current system. I don't know much about his ramping up the wars or taxing energy.
However, one thing that I find troubling is when you claim that Obama is asking citizens to report on each other. Where did you get such a scathing claim from?
He might have gotten it from the military spying case in WA. Add to that failure to prosecute and failure to disclose torture and rendition pre-election and post, continued support of the Patriot Act and related measures against the 4th Amendment.
But there are others.
I'm not sure in what sense Henry thinks Bush clear of this charge, given that AT&T the various phone utils are not foreign, but 0's guilt is clear.
No, I'm sure he's talking about flag@whitehouse.gov. And he should stop listening to Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh...those are the ones telling people it's "Obama's personal domestic spying program" and "an enemies list".
What it really is, is a continuation of fightthesmears.com. You can't correct the misinformation if you don't have examples of that misinformation.
"Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh...those are the ones telling people it's "Obama's personal domestic spying program" and "an enemies list"."
So that's where these people get this from. I used to be forced to listen to Limbaugh while at work. I've seen disappointments of Obama but I didn't believe he could be this nasty.
And Bush did it too. Don't you remember Ashcroft and the TIPS program? It was a get paid to be a snitch deal.
We do not have a government, Stanley. We have a boss.
I remember Ashcroft very well alright. I will never forgive him for passing the Patriot Act. TIPS? I shall look that one up.
"Not even Bush was so un-American as to ask citizens to report on each other."
TIPS Henry, you don't remember TIPS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_TIPS
"Not even Bush was so un-American as to ask citizens to report on each other."
See TIPS, mentioned elsewhere here, and no, he did not ask citizens to report on each other. The White House merely asked people to send them examples of lies and distortions of the proposed Health Care Bills that are being spread by conservatives, corporatists, "deathers" (Obama wants to kill your Granny!)and others so that they can set the record straight. No names and addresses are being taken, as Glenn Beck, Hannity and the Faux Noise gang would have you believe. Just an attempt to debunk lies, distortions and misunderstandings about healthcare reform, which seems to be the raison d'etre of the right wingers and wingnuts in this country. These same people spouting misinformation are the ones that are disrupting town halls all over the country (at the behest of Faux Noise, corporations and Republicans) and preventing elected representatives from having an adult discussion of the things that are in the bills. These protesters are behaving like spoiled two-year-olds by shouting down the congresscritters, not letting them speak, calling dispicable names, and carrying signs accusing Obama of being Hitler and covered with swastikas, and screaming "Socialism, socialism" at the tops of their lungs--and even resorting to physical violence in some cases. In truth, the only thing these people seem to want is a return to having an Old White Guy as president ("This isn't MY America!") and the status quo in healthcare, which is enriching the insurance and drug companies and bankrupting ordinary Americans. Grow up! Oh, and for the TRUE information about what is being proposed for healthcare reform, please go to "pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com" to see what has been said (frequently incorrectly) and what IS in the bills.
A little research quickly shows anyone how absolutely hopeless it is for us to expect any real reform regarding healthcare. We don't stand a chance against the lobbyists and senators who are in their pockets. Take a look here at the contributions Max Baucus (Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee) received from special interests related to healthcare during this campaign cycle. You'll have absolutely no doubt whatsoever where his vote will go and who he is really fighting for. And guess what? It ain't YOU!
He has filled his coffers with money from healthcare and insurance companies as you can see from the list below. It is a list of the amounts of money he received from his top five individual contributors and his top five industry contributors during this election cycle.
INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTORS:
Schering Plough Corp. $76,200.00
Goldman Sachs $47,900.00
KK&R Investment Corp. $47,000.00
Amer. Intrn'l Group $46,750.00
Aetna, Inc. $45,250.00
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TOTAL: $263,100.00
INDUSTRY CONTRIBUTORS:
Securities and Investment $842,150.00
Lawyers/Law Firms $685,604.00
Insurance $552,575.00
Pharmaceutical and
Health Products $506,313.00
Health Professionals $497,641.00
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TOTAL: $3,084,283.00
GRAND TOTAL: $3,347,383.00
We need to understand that it is the special interests who are literally paying for the votes of our representatives through their "lobbying" which should be more accurately termed "bribery."
When Max Baucus convened a group of supposed interested and involved parties to discuss healthcare reform, certain individuals who backed a "public option" were deliberately excluded. Does this give you a hint about his real intent??? There's no hope for anything like a "public option" (the very best option) when we have a congress full of people "on the take" like him.
The average American's voice doesn't have a chance in the face of this unfair system of paying for votes, which is exactly what lobbying is all about. I firmly believe that lobbying should be declared a criminal offense and labeled what it really is: BRIBERY!!!
The information provided in this posting is available as it relates to all of our congress personnel at www.opensecrets.org.
How I really feel punked is the war issue... Now I read that the Obama boys are filling suit to stop showing the new torture pictures claiming they might make people uncomfortable.
Now I voted for this lier because he said that he would fight the military industrial complex and end the wars.. NOT increase the wars...
I did not ever think that any body could or would even try to cure this spiral of capitalist greed, and indeed think that it can not be stopped in a country that has such a stupid population, Like who in the world would fight to keep from getting health care for the taxes you pay!!!Does it feel good to poke your self in the eye..
How ever I was hoping that for the first time in my life this country could stop being at war and killing people all over the world and at the same time claiming not to be an empire...
I would even prefer the truth where spoken if obama would read right off the teleprompter that we must increase troops in the middle east because the empire is in danger from these people trying to stop our noble corporations from raping their country.. God knows that The usa has the right to defend the flag no matter where it flies... The sun never sets on the corporate flag..
"Now I voted for this lier because he said that he would fight the military industrial complex and end the wars." Sorry, but this is wrong. Obama said he would reduse troop numbers in Iraq and increase them in Afgahnastan. Never peace.
And, Obama was the first to recommend escalating the Afghan war/occupation into Pakistan. This was before it actually occurred under Bush near the end of his term. Obama has greatly escalated this "effort" and has in fact fomented a civil war in Pakistan. He stated that he supported this during his campaign. All anyone had to do was listen. He NEVER claimed to be "anti-war". He is as much a fascist warmonger as Dick Cheney or Hillary Clinton.
Rich sez: "It’s a cynicism confirmed almost daily by events."
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I would submit that if something is "confirmed almost daily by events", then it is no longer cynical to believe it.
Rich refers to a "longer-term worry in the form of a persistent, anecdotal drift toward disillusionment among some of the president’s supporters."
What Mr. Rich is "worried" about as an Obama supporter is exactly the trend which the non-supporters of his domestic and foreign policies should be COUNTING ON as a ray of hope either that Obama will change his policies in response to that "disillusionment"--or that his re-election will be in serious danger. I mean, having admitted that Obama's support has been based on "illusions" about him, why the worry about "disillusionment?" Does he want the American public to STAY illusioned so that Obama can continue to "punk" us? Sounds to me like a little enabling behavior.
Great points.
Headline of the column should be, "Frank Rich Finally Gets a Clue . . . Sort Of"
"The larger fear is that Obama might be just another corporatist, punking voters much as the Republicans do when they claim to be all for the common guy."
"might" be just another corporatist? C'mon, Frank! No one gets to be the Repub or Dem Presidential nominee UNLESS he/she is a corporatist. Who do you think runs this country?
As for the media, here's why single payer rarely appears:
Single-Payer & Interlocking Directorates: The corporate ties between insurers and media companies
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3845
The fix is solidly in, but more and more Americans are finally waking up.
The only problem is, what can we do about it?
You can vote and work for Green Party candidates. The Greens are the only party supporting single-payer. If enough people catch on by next year, we might get some people into Congress. It's a mid-term election, when the party in power usually loses ground, and we can hope that people still remember the Bush years well enough to move away from the Repubs.
Immediately, you can CHANGE YOUR REGISTRATION to Green Party (in most states). That gives you a clear message: "This is what I want." Make sure you tell your elected officials and the local Democratic committee what you've done. If enough people do that, the Dems will be seriously worried. They will certainly get the message - all parties keep track of registrations.
In states like Oregon, registrations help secure the Green Party's ballot line, so there is a concrete effect. You're empowering a rival party. The Dems really are worried about the Greens, since we might force them to move away from all that money. Hence the campaign of slander ever since 2000, which you can see even in the comments on CD.
The Democratic party of my youth had a strong pro labor component and actually cared about ordinary working people. Now, represented by Bill and Hillary Clinton and Obama, it is a party of Prius and Birkenstock yuppies who are feverishly dipping their bread in the sea of still hot Reagan gravy. People like Dennis Kucinich are marooned. Three cheers for total corruption. The Republicans are nearly monolithic. The only fight going on there (currently at a very low level) is between the Black Shirts and the Brown Shirts. The Black Shirts are represented most of all by Cheney and Rove, Limbaugh, Hannity, Romney. The Brown Shirts are Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin, the T-Bagger and Birther movements and fascist talk radio. Are the Black Shirts preparing their own Night of the Long Knives for the Brown Shirts? Or vice versa.
No matter where you stand on the American political compass, all 360 degrees are corrupt and immoral, totally corrupt and immoral. The only way out is for the people of this nation to sweep out the current trash and bury it so deep that it cannot rise again. And then we either create something new, or we perish. It's reached the point where that is the only remaining hope.
I have reached the same conclusion. It used to make me sad. Now it makes me curious.
Is it just Obama or is it us in general who just aren't happy but don't know what to do next? I voted for Obama because I was totally fed up with the Bush administration. I know that there are plenty of things to be disappointed in Obama about but I find the title a bit too demeaning. 53% of those who voted chose Obama vs 46% for Mccain. I would have thought that 46% who voted Mccain punked themselves yet my niece, JenniferBedingfield, always insists that both those who voted for Mccain and those who voted for Obama voted against their own interests. Maybe my working 11-13 hours a weekday for the past 15 years until just recently when I was unemployed has really put me way out of touch. Maybe being unemployed might turn out to be a blessing in addition to her bringing me to this site to learn. For so long, I couldn't understand why some were really unhappy with politics. I used to be able to help people including my niece out of their unhappiness in life as much as possible but now I'm afraid that I am denying that I could be politically unhappy and yet not know it. I don't know how good or bad Obama can get but it's my fear that the Republicans will be prepared to make it worse.
Stanley1979 August 9th, 2009 12:42 pm..........My friend, the Repugs did make it worse...for the past eight years. The problem is that Obama has done zero...zilch...to correct any of those policies and hold anyone responsible. This tells you something in a big way. Deals were made. If they had not been, believe this old cynic, he would never be president. The Bush family is THE most powerful family on this earth. Bush I will do whatever is necessary to protect himself and his son. When you get some time, read this.....it may help make up for the time you were working your butt off and had time for nothing else. I'm 64 and was the same way, until 2000, when I started going down the rabbit hole. Be careful. Once you are in, there is no way out....I would also recommend some of Noam Chomsky's books and interviews by David Barsamian (an old elementary school buddy) and Zinn's "People's History of the United States" (a must to de-program the stuff we were taught as kids and through newspapers and TV all our lives)
http:/www.israelshamir.net/Contributors/
Collateral_Damage_911.pdf
If the site does not come up, please go to israelshamir.net and scroll down to the article. This piece took six years of research and has 400 footnotes substantiating it's claims. Don't let the length scare you.It's well worth the time. Please keep your mind open...change and revelation is good...stagnation is death.
Zinn's "People's History of the United States" really is THE place to start, but yes, once you head down the rabbit hole there is no backing out. Other good works are "What's the Matter With Kansas" by Thomas Frank, and "Deer Hunting With Jesus" by Joe Bageant for contemporary explanations of why people vote against and take economic actions against their own interests. These two are easy and informative reads. Chomsky is more dense, a bit harder to follow, but well worth the effort.
It almost feels like yesterday as if Bush was still in office. I do feel that Obama had to go through so much compromising just to get to where he was at today. Yet, I question the minds of the voters. He may have disappointed a lot of people but I think most people still look at Obama so far as not being as bad as Bush. I'm one of those people. Thanks for the warning.
Stanley,
You are obviously a conscientious person who doesn't mind going through a lot of informaton objectively in order to reach a conclusion on the merits or the lack of them on an issue. I recommend you read the Counterpunch web sit. The articles are long and filled with verifiable names, dates and much detail. Counterpunch followed the political campaign last year and predicted exactly what would happen. It was downright scary. They are very practical and realist. They never throw there hands up snd say "we're cooked!". But they tell it like it is. I think you'll find it most enlightening. It was there, for example, that I first learned the true meaning of the characters and plot in "The Wizard of Oz". It has nothing to to with Kansas twisters.
Stanley, I also recommend Counterpunch. From there I branched out to Mike Ruppert's www.fromthewilderness.com as well as Catherine Austin Fitts' webpage www.solari.com. I regard all three as must reads to get a "big picture" look at world events.
I especially respect the information that Ms. Fitts provides on her website. I've watched her progress through the years. I used to live in DC doing hair at Woodward and Lothrop for the Washington insiders. Even though Ms. Fitts was a Bush appointee,she demonstrated the highest degrees of integrity and service. Many times "staff" clients in the salon would speak of her graciousness and thoughtfulness to waiters,drivers, interns and other species of lesser beings. Then she moved on from HUD to found a business using Ronnie Raygun's scapegoats, black single moms in the welfare system who lived at one of the worst public housing complexes, Edgewood Terrace to create a successful, cutting-edge technology firm by giving these women computer skills.That "miracle" and the fact she was insuring government transparency meant she had to be closed down. I grew up in DC and what I witnessed Catherine doing for the lives of the families at Edgewood Terrace has forever endeared her to me. She's a heroine for our times.
I will take a look at Fitts' and Ruppert's website and pass this on. Fitts reminds me of the movie "Mr. Smith goes to Washington". A do-gooder ready to be shut down by the evil ones in power.
Both of you are kind and very helpful. Thank you.
That site looks very interesting. I would like to see the articles of last year of what they predicted on the campaign trail. Is there a way to see their archived postings? It's great to be able to acknowledge the truth and be happy that you know it and are willing to find the solution next. Thank you again for your kind words.
Why must you name-drop your niece everytime you write a comment...?
And why do you have the exact same writing style as JenniferBeddingfield...?
I don't believe your "personal story" any more than JenniferBeddingfield's & Carla Waters' stories about being "assaulted" by Obama supporters at political rallies... You all sound like pentagon trolls whose job is to clog up progressive comment boards with "personal accounts" to garner your trust, and inane statements about random violence at Obama rallies and health care town hall meetings...
JB's fake claims of some "illness"... And why would JWVerez's relative be using his screenname instead of their own...?
Are you supposed to be the "good cop"...?
I don't know who you are or what you are but your slanderous remarks are totally uncalled for. I didn't know that I have the exact same writing style as my niece. My niece introduced me here and so I feel that I owe her. I know nothing about JWVerez or Carla Waters except what JB told me about them. I never worked for the Pentagon and never will. I come here to learn and I don't take kindly to such personal attacks. If you want to get nasty and toot your golden horns, please go elsewhere. I am grateful that others on this site are more thoughtful and sensible to us average Joes and Janes who want to learn. I don't care what you want to believe but your personal attacks are totally out of line. If you don't like it, then please ignore and move along.
My apologies if you are an actual person with a genuine concern for "truth"...
However, I am not totally convinced...
How is your neice...? What was she hospitalized for?
Is she okay after being hit repeatedly in the face and chest by an Obama supporter?
So what did JB tell you about Carla Waters...?
Something smells really fishy about her claims of being assaulted by an anonymous Obama supporter at a rally recently...
And the other folks at the rally protected her assailant while verbally insulting JB...? I don't think so...
If a random guy came up from behind her, how could he hit her chest and face...?
be then the crowd protected the guy to prevent JB from hitting him back...? Really...?
Just for asking questions about health care reform...?
This is a variation of the same story that Carla Waters was trying to float here at CD a while ago...
When I asked JB about it in this forum the other day... both of our comments were deleted before I could read her reply...
Now why is that...? I bet that these comments will get deleted come Monday morning as well...
Perhaps I am wrong, and you are actually interested in knowing the truth...
Google & Read "Collateral Damage Pt 1 & 2" by EP Heidner...
I'll answer the assault part but briefly since Uncle Stan wasn't there and I didn't bother telling him. If you think Obama supporters aren't nasty in their assaulting ways, try to going to a pro-Obama rally and questioning his moving to the right on any of his policies and see how long you last. It's the real world and it's not pretty. The Obamabots are like desperadoes. I've had enough trouble putting up with the assault that day so I don't feel like going into the details. I tell the events as they come and if I feel that they're relevant to the topic and/or discussion, then I post them. Go out and see the real world and come back and relate. You'll be amazed at what you see. I could sue for assaults but knowing the justice system very well and this site discusses it a lot, I wouldn't bother. I have also been working out, have a black belt in karate, and know how to defend myself as best as I can. The surprise assault was a misfortune but surprises can happen too.
Perhaps I was out of line... But there are still things about your story that don't make sense...
Especially now knowing that you claim to be a black belt in karate... He may have been able to get a few punches in, but with that kind of martial arts training, you would have been able to defend yourself once turning to face him...
Maybe Obama supporters in St.Louis are different than the ones in Seattle...?
The folks I met at Obama rallies were kind, cordial... Maybe folks in St.Louis are more prone to committing random acts of violence?
Your portrayal of Obama supporters as a mob of violent robots is rather twisted... I argue with my friends about Obama all the time...
Folks are usually uninformed about the behind-the-scenes corporatist connections that dems and repubes have in common...
and they argue for slow change and "give him time"... Which is more like a "hope for the best" mentality than anything else...
I have been to dozens of protests and demonstrations and I have NEVER seen liberals or progressives act with violence...
Your story sounds like Carla Waters' story of being attacked by Obama supporters several months ago...
And it has the eerie feeling of that girl who carved "BO" backwards on her own face and blamed some black Obama supporters...
She was caught trying to perpetuate a fraud... And probably went to jail...
Even if you were assaulted by someone at a town hall meeting, and even if they were wearing an Obama/Biden'08 t-shirt... That doesn't mean they are even Pro-Obama... Maybe they are agent provacateurs...? How do you even know...?
From all acounts.... The violence has been perpetrated and instigated by right-wing hacks...
So your story seems to go against that trend...
I've met peaceful Obama supporters too but there are enough violent ones out there. There's enough racism out here in MO which may explain the violence. I don't know. I didn't expect to be assaulted. I just wanted to ask a question about what they knew about the plan and then try to explain. The guy who hit me threatened me not to joke Obama ever again after he hit me. I would like to see the Obama supporters actually be honest about his policies rather than act like Dubya's supporters. Things aren't always this way in St. Louis. I've come across African Americans who are equally disgusted with Obama for betraying them and a couple of them are my friends. Technically, you're right about karate but I didn't want to take chances since there were others. Plus, I was a bit too relaxed and fault my lack of being a little vigilant. He was not as severe as the carved one so I was able to avoid going to the hospital. He was also pulled back before he could hit again so I left it at that. As for Carla Waters, I'll have to go back and check the archives to see what you're referring to. I don't know her except for whatever she posts here so I won't be able to contact and ask her. Sioux Rose did calm me down over my fear, anxiety, and upset feeling from that assault. I guess the public will have to learn the difference between Obamacare and single payer the hard way.
Whatever... If you are a pentagon troll... You play your part well...
If you aren't... Then I apologize for my accusations that you are a troll...
You say your assailant threatened you to not joke about Obama again, before or after he was pulled back into the crowd...?
Your Uncle claims that you mentioned Carla Waters to him, but you claim to not know her...
Hmmmm... Whatever, could be just a misunderstanding...
I tell you what... I am getting burned out trying to figure out which of you are pentagon hacks using multiple screennames...
and which of you are genuine people... So from here on out, I will assume that you are a troll until I have evidence to the contrary...
That being said... I will no longer attempt to find contradictions in your stories and challenge them in this forum...
I agree with some of what you say regarding third party candidates and other issues...
I am grateful that you have been able to master your emotions and are no longer reacting with anger here on CD...
I value your quirky run-on sentences and ideas about decentralized protests...
I am not sure how you find the time to post so frequently if it isn't your job to do so, but I digress...
I don't know you... And you don't know me... And we can find commonground regardless of who you work for...
Peace, Love, & Light
I forgot to reply to you a long time ago but I might as well give it a late one. I'm sorry we cannot meet in person for me to prove to you who I am. Since you did apologize for mistaking me for what I am not, I shall accept the apology. I am myself and Stanley is himself. Nobody here is using multiple screen names so there is nothing to get burnt out about. To judge a book by its book cover rather than its contents is to misjudge the book. I wished I could take the time to visit you in person and bring my uncle to prove my identity to you but I don't see it happening. I am sorry to see myself getting misjudged incorrectly but I am glad to see that you have improved your understand of even some of the people on this site who work in the oddest of locations. It is not where they work that counts. It's what they can express from their heart and mind deep down that counts.
Peace, Love, and Light to you too.