Where Is the Change?
Is it too early to criticize Barack Obama for his program, his appointments, and his policies? He is not yet president but he is dominating the news and influencing markets and foreign-policy as though he had already been inaugurated. At the same time, he tells us that we have only one president at a time and that president is George W. Bush.
Personnel indicates policy, often determines policy, and Obama's appointments are from the establishment on both domestic and foreign affairs. Yet Obama's prime message during his meteoric rise to power was "change". How can establishment figures from both parties install significant change?
Obama's foreign and military policies will be developed by four power centers: Vice President Joe Biden, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, and National Security Adviser, Marine General James Jones. All supported the invasion of Iraq; none advocate immediate withdrawal from that country or revision of US world-wide military involvement.
Obama's economic team is dominated by veterans of the Clinton and Bush administrations, who participated in the repeal of financial regulations, an act that precipitated the current crisis. Robert Rubin guided Citicorp to its current bankrupt position, Lawrence Summers was the prime mover for the repeal and Timothy Geithner is a Bush appointee. How can Obama entrust the American economy to these failures?
During his campaign Barack Obama exhorted the adoring crowds of supporters with, "We are the people we have been waiting for". Well, where are these people? He promised reform ideas for fundamental change of the system. The voters projected on him their personal ideals and idiosyncratic hopes for change. They are sure to be disappointed at Obama's emphasis on traditional experience by establishment figures who brought us to the current crisis.
And a large part of the Obama vote came from liberals. It's fair to ask, "Where are the liberals in the Obama administration?" Obama is seeking support from conservative Republicans, offers to include their ideas and opinions in his programs, and appoints them to key positions, a process that pushes the Obama agenda in a conservative direction.
Do the liberals have the abilities and experience to manage these bureaucracies, to furnish the necessary ideas? For answers consult the Nobel Prize winners, the faculties of our finest universities, the managers of some of our largest businesses. The liberals are there, in big numbers, but not on Obama's list.
Obama needs to answer important questions about his administration. Where are the liberals? Where are the people who voted against the war? Where are the prescient who warned against financial deregulation? Where are the advisors who will give Obama a full range of policy options to make him a better problem solver and successful president?
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Show AllObama: MOUNTAIN THAT PRODUCED A MOUSE!
Those who are surprised by Obama's shift to the right should not be surprised.
He was never left of the center anyway! All he had is a speech, when he had no power, against the war in Iraq, otherwise he voted 100 percent with Bush and he voted for FISA, to curtail our civil liberties.It is a science it is obvious where he is going!
Inauguration Speech: Failure to Launch
Farhat maquami
No-one can launch a "Mission for Peace" and prosperity with Bush's fabricated "War on Terror" as an ideological search light. Until Obama denounce and reject Bush Doctrine and his "war on Terror" we are not going anywhere with peace!
OBAMA should have started the speech by declaring that Bush's "War on Terror" is over and we are starting a new Era of "Mission for Peace,Hope and Prosperity". we can start a mission for Peace by people who have internalized Terror by six years of propaganda. Like Plato's "allegory of the Cave" they have to be liberated from the scary shadows to believe in change. Well, my fellow American the day of scare tactics is over, set your mind free and lets liberate the world by Peace not War; by empathy not by terror! Bush administration has used every instrument of terror and torture to find those who terrorized us and since they have not found any evidence, any legally acceptable confession I would end the War on Terror and declare the Closure of Guantanamo , Gandoz and Abo Ghareib Prisons and emancipation of all 25000 who are held without charge in US custody. He did not!
Obama’s inauguration expense of more than $170 million dollars, in the middle of recession, produced less than Johnson Inaugural of 1.2 million crowd, with less expense!. Yet the mountain of fan fair, and money, Hollywood celebrities and publicity produced a disappointing mouse! Rick Warren gave more hope to the religious right and Neo-Cons than Obama’s disappointing and colorless speech.
Obama has the makings of a great tele-prompter reader-orator, but his inaugural speech was not a great speech, unlike his stump speeches. It was well-delivered, but it consisted of no new themes, rhetoric, refurbished conservative ideas of self-help, and no solid economic plans to address directly our economic, social and Global crisis. No economic plans for the country, and to end to Bush’s War on Terror. More troops to fight Bush’s Mythical Enemy in Afghanistan.
Obama’s Mountain of hope produced a disappointing and fearful mouse! Wall Street dropped more than 300 points because they saw no hope for real Change! Even after Obama got his wall Street 350 750 billions of “giveaway” Bail-out money, more in TARP money, and promised them 1. 3 trillion dollars of extra expenditure for road, bridges, infrastructures and Green Jobs to nowhere.
.http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/01/19/why-will-obamas-inauguration-cost-so-much/
ABC News crunches the numbers and finds that:
The federal government estimates that it will spend roughly $49 million on the inaugural weekend. Washington, D.C., Virginia and Maryland have requested another $75 million from the federal government to help pay for their share of police, fire and medical services.
And then there is the party bill.
We have a budget of roughly $45 million, maybe a little bit more," said Linda Douglas, spokeswoman for the inaugural committee. That's more than the $42.3 million in private funds spent by President Bush's committee in 2005, or the $33 million spent for Bill Clinton's first inaugural in 1993.
So, while Delay may not be far off in terms of the total cost of the event, a good bit of that will be paid via private donations, just as in inaugurations past. Media Matters has more on the apples-to-apples comparison.
We also must consider crowd size. When Lyndon B. Johnson took his oath of office in 1965, roughly 1.2 million people turned up. Until Obama, that record turnout would not be surpassed. Bill Clinton drew 800,000 for his first term, and a mere 250,000 for his second. George W. Bush packed in 400,000 for his first solemn swearing, and about 100,000 fewer than that for his second.
Estimates for Obama's crowd range anywhere from 2-4 million. That's a whole lot more porta-potties to rent. And here is the fundamental difference with those who bemoan another lavish inauguration at a time of economic turmoil and those who want to dance and sing in the frigid cold on the Washington Mall: the former group isn't happy Obama won, and the latter group is. The latter group is larger than the former, judging from most polls, and they are hungry to have something to celebrate.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
snydly
It is still early in the Obama Presidency.
The ONLY way you are going to effect real and constructive change, sheeple about to become real men and women, is to make the hard choices, face the fact that many things are much worse than death, (being a slave comes readily to mind, deliberately ignoring the plight of our own aged parents, sons and daughters as another...) and take the battle directly and personally to our common enemy.
The current squatter was never about "change", other than a change of pace in terms of soundbites to keep you silent, controlled, mindlessly trying to pretend that there actually exists even "2" parties in this benighted epicenter of the worlds corporate criminal cabal, which is, truly, global.
THEY are united in every "nationstate" and will continue the enslavement of all humanity and the life of the planet itself to their barbarian creed of personal social control and material affluence while the world´s peoples starve or worse every single day, while the planet literally speaking implodes on itself because of the poison that some human beings have chosen to represent to all living things.
And you do...what?
There is NO party of any type, there is only a scam. It is a lot larger than the excellent book "War is a Racket", believe me. When will you wake up to the fact that western "civilization" is a racket and a scam from the get-go?
You want change? Make some. The only way you can. Right where you are now. Don´t even TRY to tell me there aren´t any viable targets of opportunity, because I have crossed the continent more than nine times already. Or are you too well fed to get up from that screen and ACT?
"well, gee whizz, what are YOU doing, bla bla bla..."
I WILL give you some hints, in order to help you make those hard choices:
1. I don´t pay a single dime or take a single dime from the corporate interest regime.
2. I don´t serve the corporate criminal in any manner, civilian or military.
3. I buy the absolute MINIMUM to sustain my life.
4. I GIVE AWAY everything I can as often as I can.
5. I am prepared, at any given moment, to give my life HAPPILY in order to see at least one more criminal go down.
6. I, obviously, don´t use a car. Although sensible vehicles are just around the bend, once those deliberate obstacles are removed.
7. I talk until I weep with anybody who will listen concerning our need to pool our local resources, our local collective talents and assets, in order to use less to do more and better. Personal avarice is a far more potent addictive than any opiate derivative, believe me.
8. I am learning at least to develop a garden and the necessary skills that go with that as well as having finished beekeeping school (ahh, yes, the poor, poor bees...)and goat/sheep husbandry classes this spring.
9. I want to save enough funds (which is apparently going to take me years at this rate, whatever) to be able to position my own energy sources such as a small scale windmill for power and water.
10. I constantly plan ways and means to take the local battle directly to the representatives of the enemy of humanity in every manner possible.
Robbing banks is for saps.
Change the paradigm, and watch the fabulous results unfold before your very eyes.
I could go on, but it is not about me per se, nor do i in anyway mean it that way, it is just examples of what can be, for any one of us, whenever we so choose to act.
In closing, let me ask all of you dearly beloved fellow Americans this;
WHY are you living?
God Bless You.
Good post.
There is much talk these days that the future president Obama is a sell out, a slick Chicago politician out to feather his own nest. Don't worry about it. Barack Obama doesn't have a right-wing bone in his body. The Our Way Is The Right Way attitude is impossible having been exposed to so many ways at a young age. The only constant in his life was his mother, a very nice person who spent her life on charity work. Barack isn't in it for the bucks.
Here in Indonesia Barack Obama is known as Barry as that is the name he used in Jakarta primary school. The national news has interviews with his former classmates and photos of young Barry -- what a smile that kid had -- swinging a baseball bat and playing with his friends. "Barry Elected" is the headline. I've read Barry's first book and found out that his past is even more convoluted than I thought. When his Dad married mother Ruth Dad already had a wife and child back in Kenya that he didn't tell her about. Ruth wouldn't move to Kenya so that was the end of that, then met an Indonesian man in Hawaii and married him. The new Dad went back to Indonesia and Ruth and Barry followed a year later. Unfortunately this new Dad had spent that year in the Indonesian army oppressing West Papuans, a horrible job that ruined his joy in life and made him difficult to be around. Barry went to Muslim school for two years and another school for another two then Mom decided that with little economic opportunity the future wasn't bright and sent Barry back to Hawaii to stay with grandparents and attend an elite boarding school. Barry didn't fit in there either with all the future leaders of Hawaii and most of the book goes on like this, who am I? Hundreds of pages of who am I, trying various groups on for size none of which fit, becoming a teenage stoner, going to New York City and being repelled by the "ridiculous amounts of money," finally winding up in Chicago as a community organizer.
Being a community organizer meant being plopped down in the Altgeld [German for Old Money] Chicago housing project and told, "Organize this." There are all sorts of problems, you do something about it. Hold meetings but no one comes. Barack had to find out what people wanted and organize around that. His main success occurred when he went into the project office and found them working on the pipes. What's this all about? Oh there's asbestos back there. Have you checked out the resident's apartments? Sure, they're all OK. Where's the paper work? In the other office. Needless to say nothing had been done about the resident's dwellings so Barack got a good turnout at his meetings. I do wonder though how he managed to live in Chicago on ten thousand dollars a year. It couldn't have been pretty.
It goes on like this for hundreds of pages unrelieved by humor. It's like an Oregon winter, nothing that bad but it keeps coming, every day, day after day. I couldn't stand living like that, but Barack keeps at it. He would look at the young men in Altgeld and think, that could have been me. After a while their hopelessness begins to frighten him.
There is little cheer until Barack takes a trip to Kenya. "I am Luo!" he says and pounds his chest. At last he feels at home. His grandmother tells him when she first saw a television she thought the people inside were very rude for not talking back. She tells of when the white man came and they thought that the guns were stirring sticks. The white man put a tax on huts and Luos had to work for the white man to get the money to pay the tax. Don't pay, your hut is burned to the ground. Barack's grandfather was an herbalist and a most earnest young man who studied herbology while other young men played. Much as he feels at home in Africa he relates a story of how the airlines won't give him his bag until an important family friend gives them a call. "Everything goes back to connections with the Big Man," he writes. Implied is that the airline was holding Mr. Obama's bag in expectation of a bribe. There is little analysis or ideology, Barack quotes from all sorts of people with all sorts of points of view and leaves it to the reader to work it all out for him/herself.
This is my impression of Barack, the unusual combination of a realist who sees the world as it is with an idealist who sees the world as it could be.
Frisbee wrote: "Barack is not in it for the bucks."
No? Have you seen the Cats million plus mansion? If his interest is other than the money or power, why publish books that have netted him millions in advances by the publishing industry? He pays lip service to the environment, where do you think the paper comes from to print his books? I thought that being president meant that one leads by example.
Your Democratic and Republican representatives are now organizing the last buffalo hunt with the old growth forest of the pacific northwest. No doubt to print more useless books for the self importance of Obama and his dysfunctional brethren.
Man, you will believe whatever the elites tells you.
> If his interest is other than the money or power, why publish books that have netted him millions in advances by the publishing industry?
His first book was written before he got into politics. I don't know what the advance was, but it surely wasn't much. The book wasn't a success until he became famous.
Thanks for the misdirection, obfuscation, and excuses. Obama was living in a mansion prior to his best sellers hitting the market. But nowhere in your three sentence rejoinder do you address the most important issues: leadership by example, the environment, and his recycle of nothing but corporate insiders to lead his Administration. Obama is owned by the corporate elite. Ignore it if you must, but don't lecture those of us who are left of the Democratic Party. The corporate elites say jump, and Obama asks, "how high?" Save you non-sense for the rest of the 'true believers' that hang out here.
> Obama was living in a mansion prior to his best sellers hitting the market.
No he wasn't. When his first book hit the market he had recently graduated from law school and wasn't in politics yet. That's why it interests me. If he'd written it later it would have much less credibility.
> But nowhere in your three sentence rejoinder do you address the most important issues: leadership by example, the environment, and his recycle of nothing but corporate insiders to lead his Administration.
Right, because I'm discussing his book, which was written before he was involved in any of that. So who is misdirecting and obfuscating here?
It could be that at the age of thirty-five Barack Obama said to himself, "Screw this common good stuff! I'm going to squeeze every dime I can out of the system!" Maybe. But people seldom change like that.
FrisbieE.:Who is mother Ruth? Obama's mother is Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro. I am referring to my favorite article about his mother, by Janny Scott in the NYTimes or www.iht.com on March 14,2008. There's photos of Obama in the 1970s in Hawaii on HuffPo, a slide show.
snydly
Check out Paul Hawken's book, "Blessed Unrest". All of Hartmann's and Chalmers Johnson's, too.
If we get business as usual, the system will fall from its own internal contadictions and rot, if not from the weight of money packed into the top 1%.
If we eventually get change, as promised, we may not have as much to complain about.
I hope we get change and everybody empowered to work together, because we're going to need all hands on deck to deal with the climate crisis.
Oh I am SHOCKED. SHOCKED I SAY. Who would have ever thought that Barak Obama would stock his cabinet full of Conservatives and "Washington Insiders" who have been running our country into the ground?
ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN!
People, wake up and smell the WTO-approved coffee!
Democrat - Republican ... There's only ONE party - AND WE'RE NOT INVITED!
We must build a third party to effect any real change!
snydly
What do you think of the idea that the political spectrum is not a straight line with two ends, but a broken circle with the ends almost touching?
Seems the far right and far left have a lot in common, with a few pet issues that are repugnant to each other.
Earlier in the campaign I was pushing for a 3d party ticket of Dennis, Ron and Ralph-a triumvirate. Food for thought.
The Democrats are for sale. They have no creed or ideology. So why not buy an established brand name instead of trying to build from scratch?
Even if the long nightmare of conservative control of the country may finally be changing, they had their way long enough to accomplish much of their goals. Ever since Reagan got elected in 1980, a huge concentration of wealth has occurred. The obscene millionaires and billionaires have gotten what they wanted. For 25 years they have pretty much had their own way. I still remember the cold feeling I had listening to the election news that night. A lot of the younger people think this current mess started with Bush II, but it goes MUCH further than that. It was Reagan who really laid the groundwork. It was Reagan who was the John the Baptist of the "Greed is GOOD!!!" idea that really blossomed in the 1980's. Please study your history, because messes like the one now do NOT happen overnight. There are clear steps for anyone to see that lead to these sorts of things. In this case, you can trace it from the savings and loan crisis of the late 80's, to the Enron and Worldcom collapse of 2000-2001. But it was Mr. Reagan who really turned loose the economic wolves, the economic Darwinists, the people whose life motto is "if it makes money, you don't make apologies". Until these attitudes in America change, we will not have learned anything from this current crisis, and will just be headed for another one in the near future.
On another note about change. I posted this sometime ago but I feel that this information is relevant even now:
I don't think America and the future president Obama will change things as fundamentally as we would like to think (and as much as we really need). The reason I say this is that things are still not as bad as they were in the Great Depression--the last time there was REAL reform in this country. Although the current economy is nothing to be happy about, it was far worse in the early 30's when FDR was swept into office. Then we had an official unemployment rate of 25% (unofficially probably closer to 40%) and those with jobs had sharply cut wages. The present housing crisis, while bad, can't compare to back then; when in New York alone 5000 families a week were being evicted. When banks were failing by the thousands. My dad was a farmer and he remembers that corn was selling for - 5 cents a bushel--you took corn to the local elevator and you had to pay them five cents to take it. Americans are so wrapped-up in the myth of Yankee self-reliance that only something as drastic as the Great Depression makes us look at real change. Another critical factor present back in the 30's but not present today--a strong sense of solidarity in the laboring classes. It was the fear of the laboring classes in this country finally uniting and taking over the truly frightened the ruling economic elite into allowing fundamental reforms to save themselves. Even with all these factors on his side, FDR still faced tremendous opposition to his reforms; and even an attempted military coup to drive him from office. So while I do feel that Obama will make some changes, I don't think he or the American people--under the present situation--are going to truly tackle the fundamental problems that need to be tackled for true reform to take place. We are all going to have to take the fight for change to the local and state levels first before we can penetrate Washington.
Sioux Rose
NEBRASKA: Your first paragraph is right on. Excellent points.
> Even if the long nightmare of conservative control of the country may finally be changing, they had their way long enough to accomplish much of their goals. Ever since Reagan got elected in 1980, a huge concentration of wealth has occurred.
Absolutely. 28 years of self-interest-based reform. It is fading fast but it isn't going to go away overnight.
> I don't think America and the future president Obama will change things fundamentally as ... things are still not as bad as they were in the Great Depression--the last time there was REAL reform in this country.
Not as bad YET. It took three years for the Great Depression to fully form after the stock market crash, partly due to misguided government. My impression is that the amount of fraud in the system is greater that in 1929, the economy was fundamentally stronger in 1929 than in 2008, and that misguided government rescue efforts are are still with us. In three years the country will be ripe for real change after failed centricism. Just hope that it is New Deal type reform and not Nazism.
> Another critical factor present back in the 30's but not present today--a strong sense of solidarity in the laboring classes. It was the fear of the laboring classes in this country finally uniting and taking over the truly frightened the ruling economic elite into allowing fundamental reforms to save themselves.
Unfortunately there is unity in the laboring classes but it is led by the Joseph Goebbels of the USA, Rush Limbaugh. Some of the ruling class would welcome a Nazi-style dictatorship, but I think a solid majority of the ruling class is frightened by this which is why they gave Obama all that money. Tent cities are already forming. They know what that means.
The collapse happened at just the right time. A month later and McCain/Palin would have been elected. Earlier and W would have had plenty of time to do what he does best.
> We are all going to have to take the fight for change to the local and state levels first before we can penetrate Washington.
You have better do that otherwise the country will go Nazi. They are in the lead and history tells us they thrive in bad times.
Sioux Rose
FRISBIE: I agree about the domino effect yet to be seen, as per more foreclosures and further reverberations to an economy made sick by the rich engineering rules & laws to suit themselves, leaving a virtual dying carcass for the masses to feed upon. History shows these cycles always turn around, the question is, how violently, or can Obama prove a maestro that directs "the music" along new "scales" to begin to neutralize the effects of a fiscal crisis that's not unlike a clogged artery in the body that signifies America's citizenry.
Frisbie Einstein writes: "My impression is that the amount of fraud in the system is greater that in 1929, the economy was fundamentally stronger in 1929 than in 2008, and that misguided government rescue efforts are are still with us."
I believe you are mistaken about one part. The 'rescue efforts' aren't misguided. They are intentional. The purpose is to give a last burst of money to the very same people who stole it in the first place.
Just like the Iraq War is not a failure on Bush's part. He succeeded in everything he wanted to do, which was transfer a lot of money from public funds (our tax dollars and future generation's tax dollars) into the pockets of the few, the rich, the unaccountable.
And many posters on this site don't even realize this. It is being perpetuated by both the democratic party and republican party.
I didn't realize the magnitude of the theft and injustice when I was younger, but slowly believed that there is a corporate elite who don't give a shit about the common people, while the common people think they are doing the 'decent' thing by going along.
I'm not even asking for armed insurrection because that never works. But at least don't give the stick to the man who is going to hit you over the head with it. Don't vote for the mainstream parties. Vote Third Party. Before it is too late (if not already).
"Take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the oppressed. Silence comforts the tormenter, never the tormented."-- Elie Wiesel
> I believe you are mistaken about one part. The 'rescue efforts' aren't misguided. They are intentional. The purpose is to give a last burst of money to the very same people who stole it in the first place.
In Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman's book The Great Unraveling he declares the W admin to be a revolutionary force that gains a large advantage from the inability of others to realize that the goal is overthrow of the established order. From this point of view W has been a huge success. Everything they have done works to increase the power of the few at the expense of government.
The Clinton and Carter admins played their role as well.
I believe that the US rescue efforts are not focused on restarting lending and will lead to a collapse of the value of the dollar. I think this will happen no matter what, the only question is how severe.
snydly
SPOT ON.
(But its not over til the fat lady sings)
Somewhere someone is having a grand chuckle, as the naive vassals chatter like monkeys in a lab experiment - unaware and incapable of comprehending what is happening to them - clamoring and climbing about with a fevered pitch at the slightest uncertainty - fated to survive or thrive only as their masters deem.
1) International centralized banking system - for the masters, the creation out of thin air of money and profit, for us mere mortal beasts of labor a never ending indebtedness.
2) MIC, the largest corporate-styled business venture ever, though oft-repeated in history - whose entire existence depends on the promulgation of fear and evil, mistrust of fellow beings, hatred, killing and all manner of atrocity - lab monkeys killing lab monkeys in experiments designed to ferret out ever more effective systems of control and domination.
3) Corporate capitalism - with little to no social conscience and no imperative except to create money profits for fellow shareholders - via increasing exploitation of resources, labor and energy, through patronizing subject vassals into continued service - carrots dangled before the beasts of burden, as the beasts carry off the spoils to the victor's domain.
4) Consumerism - enticement and addiction, with all the pain and affliction of withdrawal. Pavlov's dogs conditioned to salivate with anticipation of every new treat, retrieving and entertaining their master through direct manipulation, obedient and forever grateful tail-wagging ignorance.
5) Religion and politics - the psychology of power and domination of spirit, the cage designed to appear as a natural habitat, offering the illusion of freedom and choice, but always within a securely conceived compound, always with imposed constraint and authority, and an absolute system of control beyond the perception and cognizant ability of the caged animal.
6) Authority and rule - the training system by which only the most obedient and compliant may be allowed off their leash or out of their cage. Here the subjugation is nearly complete.
7) Promotion - subjugation complete - the vassal now serves the interest and needs of the master without complaint, devoted to the greater cause, able and willing to act in the master's stead, but never quite an equal.
Rarely there emerges one that is different, whose spirit and cleverness are such that it is able to stand apart even as it is constrained, patient and aware as it complies, waiting for the right moment and opportunity to overcome its expected place, to achieve the unexpected. This is rare and unlikely, and its success will be realized not by its force or through its contending, but by its truth and cunning. It will be achieved through mutual acceptance and respect. It happens with shared dignity and honor as the master and vassal better learn to appreciate the other; as the master's lack of moral superiority becomes better exposed and the vassal's perceived inferiority is mitigated.
The title of Carroll Quigley's book is Tragedy and Hope, because it is presumes that the men of power, the institutions they have created and the methods they practice offer the hope of mankind. But as with other matters of late, the fallacious nature of this would-be man-king arrogance is increasingly exposed as unnatural and unjust, inept and immoral, just as Ghandi made British rule in India obvious. The assumption of British moral superiority and the integrity of their control fell away, to expose the Brits as capable of increasingly atrocious behavior, till they were required to save face in the eyes of the world and slither away.
Ghandi had no real power other than his influence on others, and it was only the collective affect of a great many that made possible India's overthrow of British imperialism.
Where's the change you ask? Where do you think it is suppose to be?
Sioux Rose
COSMOBILY: A most excellent, well-thought out post! I would only add that insofar as inciting action on the part of "the people" the devices that keep them caged these days are so subtle and yet so insidious consisting of the media model that 24/7 seduces minds far far from their own true, instinctive thought processes as to have unified Pavlov with Orwell with Goebbels... how thus can the truth set them free if there no longers exists in many the capacity to discern it?
I ask "How does the dreamer recognize the awakened state?" in a book that explores this age phase transition that ALL of mankind is currently undergoing.
Barack Obama is anything but a progressive.
But that didn't stop DPAers (Democratic Party Apologists) from ignoring the fact that he's simply one more corporatist politician, one more mouthpiece for the Democratic-Republican duopoly.
You wanted "the lesser of the two evils" -- well, soft-left, cruise missle liberals, your evil has arrived, reporting for duty. ... Duty that is to the oligarchic-few.
Here's just one corporatist pick Obama has made -- Paul Volker. See the following, "Who is Paul Volcker? Obama appoints a longtime enemy of the working class"
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/nov2008/volc-n29.shtml
"Masked, I step forth on the stage of the United States of America," are words one might envisage are being entertained in the recesses of Obama's consciousness, and probably of his unconscious.
The problem, though, President-Elect Barack Obama, is that, although you are a very shrewd and very intelligent man (something for which you must be given due credit -- particularly in the light of your immensely deficient predecessors in that department -- and, of course, admiration) -- you forgot that words, in the form of repeated promises and assurances, and lofty pronouncements, do not necessarily override behavior: there is that subtle, and at times not so subtle, play between words and behavior. Among the items of your behavior, your cabinet choices are quite prominent these days in capturing our attention.
These choices are tell-tale lights and they will shape and determine your behavior and your policies in office, no matter what assurances you may give the citizenry about your being the ONE (the LEADER) from whom all decisions emanate and who consequently will set aright all the objectionable (in the eyes of your present critics) histories and qualities of his advisors and cabinet personnel. We know not only from history, but also from probability theory that such a conception of the leader is an ideological fantasy designed at best to placate your electorate for some more time, to delay the inevitable, i.e., the falling of your mask.
Sioux Rose
ABEND LAND: I arrived last night at the home of a dear Keys' friend who believes herself to be well-informed. AS we conversed over recent events, I made known my complete disappointment (to say the least) in Obama's cabinet choices. She went into a hollow argument about good and bad being value judgments, until I interrupted with FACTS. She had entirely bought the newest round of programming being circulated by our MSM, that these choices reflect "experience" and are "pragmantic," and that it's not good to change course "mid-stream," etc.
I told her that in listening to MSM she had become "Republican-lite." I hear the same "it's your choice" pro-personal responsibility creed that is also a HUGE psychological staple of advertising and media. By convincing the single digit citizen-consumer that all aspects of his/her life reflect free will choice, those larger instrumentations taking place behind the scenes (things such as both parties morphing into one that bows down before big business interests, even when confronted with glaring evidence that this model is broken, and also $/broke) if noticed, are blithely dismissed. A dangerous masquerade but how to unmask it to those who have come believe the semblance over the genuine?
Sioux Rose, you did the right thing: you discussed the facts -- primarily about Obama's appointments, I suppose (I am assuming you have read the article by Jeremy Scahill, "Is This Change?," which discusses Obama's personnel as the latter was known when the article came out).
Bringing folks back to facts is excellent therapy to steer them away from ideology and self-deception. There are limits, though, to this sort of talk, for some folks offer resistance in that they don't want to part with cherished illusions. I would think that one has to gauge matters on a case by case basis, to avoid losing friends and such. It may take many tactful tries to get someone to face the facts.
The other thing that might be discussed is your friend's attempt at dismissing value or evaluative or normative judgments from political conversation. One might point out to her that ruling out value judgments is itself a value judgment. One might also ask: in virtue of what value or norm or law are you legislating that value judgments are not to be issued? Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, one might point out that there is no politics without norms or values, for what is the ultimate goal (the regulative ideal) of political activity, if not to ameliorate, to improve, to make better our lot, our condition as a community, or, to express it more loftily, to bring about the good society?
Abenland-Good insight.
your poor sheep, all one needs to seduce you is bleat the word "change", the sheeples are infinitely seducable, they fell for donald reagons one line campaign,
it never stops. so maybe they get what they deserve all these "hopers", believer
another right center government where the foxes that created the wrecked hen house are in charge. and all the old militarists will go on with the victory culture. go team!
Who is Paul Volcker? Obama appoints a longtime enemy of the working class
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/nov2008/volc-n29.shtml
The DPAers (Democratic Party Apologists) got screwed AGAIN!
They bought into TINA again -- i.e., There Is No Alternative to the DemocraticRepublican duopoly.
Here's your lesser fo the two evils, cruise missile liberals.
Rationalize that away!
.Welcome back, your efforts have been sorely missed.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
I look at all of us who worked so hard to register voters and organize support groups and already have given up "Hope".....Once you saw the giveaway to Citicorp of over 300 billion dollars, you knew the fix was in! The worst theft in the history of the world and the American People will have no recourse. STUPID US !!
Here is a list of some of the people who were invited to the 2008 Club Bilderberg Meeting: Ben Bernanke, Thomas Daschle, Timothy Geithner, Paul Gigot, Donald Graham, Richard C.Holbrooke, Henry Paulson, Richard H. Perle, Kathleen Sebelius, Lawrence Summers, Peter Thiel, Paul Wolfowitz, Robert Zoellick.
Bill Clinton admitted that he had attended one of the Biderberg Meetings before becoming President,"Yes, I attended that meeting, it was just a group of European Businessmen." Not, Henry Kissinger has been its Director and Vernon Jordan, Clinton´s good friend, has attended several meetings.
From the list above, you can see where Obama is going.....
Privatization of Social Security was politically impossible ! But, the Privatization of the U.S. Treasury was not, it was easy! "They" took everyone´s money and are laughing themselves silly at our stupidity.
There is no "Hope" unless Tom Hayden and Dennis Kucinich start a Third Party Now !!!
"Progressive Democrats of America" is fine. I believe Ten million of us would join right away.
Bring America Back !!!! You Go, wolfe69........Any time Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh
praise your Cabinet Picks, you better well reconsider, back off, and re do
your Transition Team. Rove and Limbaugh are smiling, happy, laughing beside
themselves at what Obama has thus far done !!!
Clinton just stinks as a choice for Sec State !!! Smells really BAD !
Robert Gates is a Neocon puppet of George Bush, fostering the hoax Surge,
lackie to the military industrial war complex==who in their right minds
would allow Gates to continue to lead the Pentagon Puzzle Factory ???? Stinks!
Obama's obvious cave-in to the Clintonistas is very telling that neither Obama
nor his Transition Team have the slightest idea, concept, or insight on how
to bring the needed reforms to Washington DC. !!!!
At the Inaugural Balls will we expect to see Michelle Obama dancing with
King George the "W", and Barak dancing with Laura Bush ??? Well, if you watch
Rove and Limbaugh that is what is in the offing for us. SAME NO CHANGE !!!!
TruthKnoller writes: "Obama's obvious cave-in to the Clintonistas is very telling that neither Obama nor his Transition Team have the slightest idea, concept, or insight on how to bring the needed reforms to Washington DC. !!!!"
But maybe Obama does know. Maybe Obama isn't caving in, maybe he is carrying out the very mandate that he was selected for and maybe even supports. Maybe this is when Obama supporters start realizing they have been betrayed.
One thing about Obama, he is less of liar than Bush, but he told you what he was going to do (increase the military, not support universal health care etc) and people still voted for him.
You see what happens when you vote for the lesser of two evils?!? You still have evil.
Sioux Rose
NOT ONE: I also see it as you do. Just seems the "leader" of the free world gets his marching orders and must show up on time for business, and PLAY the part. If the goal is control of the masses and condensing all key resources at the top of a vast global pyramid, then after a wrecking crew like Bush & Co. this "secret government" needs a friendly face on its enterprises.
For those who believe in Obama, who see him as an evolved being, a TRUE leader, it's very difficult to reconcile that idealism against too much evidence building to the contrary. Now will he prove a master chess player using his puppet masters against themselves? Would he risk harm to himself or his family for getting this high up the food chain to in fact do so, when the latent racism of this nation and its history of assassinations are still within fresh memory, and have cast mortal wounds? Was he born to be a martyr for a cause higher than himself? Or are we once again seeing sell-out in a new suit?
Sioux Rose, do you discern a higher level of consciousness at play in Obama, or is he really just insidiously clever and well-rehearsed? Is what we see and hear from the man and his family one of the most artfully and deviously scripted acts to ever be perpetrated upon the kingdom, or is the man at least somewhat sincere in his beliefs and intentions? I suspect you must be at least in some part struggling with this? I know I am.
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I believe he is more sincere than not, and I believe in his heart and mind he is at least in some measure apart from the machine which does indeed rule over the kingdom, and to which he does seem to have ingratiated himself.
Is that a clever ploy of strategic necessity, in order to work his way inside those circles of power, or only a masterful deception played out before the entire world, orchestrated by the power machine itself to punctuate once and for all "their" endless power over us simple well-intentioned folk - whom still want to believe in the goodness of human kind?
I believe Obama recognizes the whole situation for what it is, and knows that he must work his way inside to learn and understand the true inner workings of those most elite circles of power - to find the weaknesses and flaws, and to wait for the opportunities where he might actually be effective. He must play along, or he wouldn't be in the game at all. No? Otherwise he would just be on the outside looking in, like Nader, McKinney, Kucinich et al. No? With all the workings of the machine against him, he would have nothing. But with the workings of the machine with him, he can at least pull some levers.
But it is not because I have such great faith in Obama that I come to his defense in these matters. I hope, but I am also a realist. I come to his defense because his presentation, the ideas and causes for which he spoke helped to build a much needed momentum. He worked to foster a critical mass of hope and intent that we cannot afford to simply have turn back into the hopeless, helpless squabbling and negativity of the past. He didn't just run a campaign based on change, he proved that the need and passion for change is real. He proved that it is possible to stir the passions of the masses and that the masses can indeed act in concert. That's what I seek out of this forum, and to the extent that Obama brought us together, to help us at least want to believe, is the same extent to which I hate to see the perpetual malcontents ruin the opportunity now at hand.
"How does the dreamer recognize the awakened state?" I'm not sure I can answer that, but I will submit that the hard leftists, the progressives and those passing hasty harsh judgments on Obama's appointments are the ones dreaming, who do not understand what they are truly up against or how to actually effect the type of change wanted. It is foolishness to believe any elected official is going to undo the machine, especially by direct confrontation, and certainly without the cooperation and persistence of a substantial critical mass of common folk working together, speaking in unison, clearly and convincingly demonstrating the viability and purpose of their objectives.
Once again I say, call for and organize a people's convention under Amendment X. Attend to the core issues and those solutions, and stop setting up every elected official for failure, particularly before the poor soul has had any real opportunity to do any real work and put into affect any real policies.
NotOne- I agree.
I never did believe there would be any change, but that the ungrammatical slogans and the chanting were the mechanisms by which the policies of a deeply unpopular administration could be continued with little interruption or alteration by someone who was presented to the public as being different and therefore an effector of change. Obama distanced himself from Bush in his rhetoric, but never deigned to mention to the voting public in all his fine speeches exactly what he would do that was different. Ominous portents of his orthodoxy to the creed of corporate globalism included his vote for telecom immunity in the FISA Amendments Act and his endorsement of making taxpayers financially responsible for the gross errors of business leaders.
I will be very pleasantly surprised if Obama endorses and promotes policies that serve all the people, such as universal single-payer medical insurance, rather than the interests of corporate profiteers. However, I don't realistically expect it. I see another four years of increasing war, debt, dictatorship, and ecological suicide. Those that still believe in the possibility of a saner, fairer, more honest, and open government need to go back to the drawing boards and find a candidate with the knowledge and courage to stand up to the power of the corporations and the Mainstream Media that is their propaganda mouthpiece.
Sioux Rose
FUTHARK: Apparently we're gazing into the same prescient mirror.
Bring America Back !!!! Goodly stated 'futhark'====Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh,
and War Cheerleaders at FOX TV are having great belly laughs at Obama,
and at we who voted for the so-called change, hope, and promise.
My post above you shows why we need to keep aligned with CODEPINK, ACLU,
and the loyal bloggers here in CD, to put the PUSH on this incoming bunch
who obviously are tied to the past even before we get to the Big Dance!!
Since he has already caved-in to Big Telecons, Big Oil, Big Clinton, it will
be interesting to see how he caves in to Big Pharma, Big Med, and Big AMA.
Let's not even think yet how He's already cow-towed to AIPAC !!
Obama's election should be viewed only as a psychological and cultural victory for the Civil Right Movement. It would provide a new Logo for the American Militarism to confuse the world without curtailing their New found power or their new agenda to keep the world resources under the control of multinational corporations.Yet for the oppressed and terrorized people of any color he represents imperialism with a Dark Face.
OBAMA: A Neo-Con with a Liberal Mask
FARHAT MAQUAMI
Those on the left, or anti-war movement are surprised by the direction Obama has taken to the right. Lets make it clear Obama has never said he is Anti-War, pro-Black civil right activist, or progressive in economy theory or Future of Military mission of the Empire. As he declared vigorously the night he disconnected his connection with the Black Church and his spiritual mentor :” Reverent Wright does not know me.” He should have continued I used the Black Church to get elected in Chicago, I used them to get elected in the Senate, I used it to unseat Clinton ; since I never thought of my self as Black , never shared their history. I was born from a white mother an a Kenyan Father.
The infatuation of the Liberal America and disillusioned Americans with the Republican Party,
and 6 years of war which has brought disrepute to America outside and economic bankruptcy to the US economy, has not permitted them to question Obama’s Policies. Yet, sooner or later the Liberals would notice that they have been betrayed not in the war in Iraq but a wide range of policies. Lets analyze all the contradictions. The trick is the phrase he is using now “seamless transition”!
In Defense he is going to use Robert Gate so the Bush agenda in Iraq would continue ”seamlessly” ! He has never made a clear statement after the election about Iraq. He never told Iraqis that he is getting out in 18 months and they better vote to pick-up the bill.
Like Bush and McCain he wants to close the Guantanamo Bay Torture Chamber, but he is not saying how to release the torture victims or how is he going to prosecute those who violated the international law and American Human Right Principals by torturing innocents, driving many to commit suicide and others who have become mentally deranged. He is not declaring to the World that Americans are going to wash their hands of the blood of innocents in Abo Gharieb prison by bringing these criminals to trial. He wants bi-partisanship, while Bush drove this country to the edge of madness by far lesser Vote in a disputed election and never sought bipartisanship for his reign of terror.
In iraq, he now wants a “seamless” withdrawal and carry it out by letting the same Generals follow the same agenda and carry us to hell of political disrepute and economic disaster.
He forced the Democrats to keep Liberman, who is more vicious than Bush administration toward Iraq and Domestic surveillance as Chairman of the powerful Homeland Security. The left is still simmering in infatuation so all concern have not even considered the implication of this stupid act as Obama’s framework of action toward war and national security.
He put a 4 Star general and a close friend of McCain in charge of his National Security.
He has made many speeches and funny interviews, yet he has not still told the world that the vicious, illegal, and universally condemned Bush Doctrine of Preemptive War would be rejected on his first day in office. This would assure the world that we would be entering a new era of cooperation, diplomacy and the rule of law.
He is probably going to announce that he would keep the FBI and the CIA Director for another seamless transition rather that making a declaration that while in presidency he would ensure that he would issue a new Executive Order to stop all Extraordinary Renditions and Country’s adherence to Geneva Convention.
In order to calm the world he also should declare that he would stop the War on Terror which has not only terrorized the world but encouraged and enabled every anti-democratic regimes and every Feudal Warlord to use the most vicious methods to terrorize their own people. We have never heard from him that he is a man of Peace, wants to bring Peace to the World and to achieve this would stop supporting the undemocratic government. Most opposition of various Islamic group is not to Americans or America but to the American support of their oppressive regimes and therefore America is going to bring Peace to the world, not by arms but by diplomacy.
In the economic arena Obama has proved to be the advocate of “Socialism for the Rich” He was the one who actually intimidated 15 Black representatives to vote for Bush 700 Billion package which went to subsidize the Banks and their toxic assets, bad debts and mortgages. His economic team are insiders, responsible for our economic disaster,and candidate of Wall Street.
Building an economic base means that this country must produce goods that we may sell and have factories, building roads, solar panels, and bridges in which to transport manufactured products from China, India and Mexico is not the answer. Until we reject the principal of out-sourcing our jobs and stop spending on guns future wars we are throwing the future of this great nation.
He has never revealed how we are going to pay for 5 Trillion Dollars that Federal Reserve is printing Money out of the Tin Air in order to save this economy. How we are going to survive if we do not negotiate our way out of NAFTA . How the 5 trillion dollars of increase in National Debts would impair our prosperity as a debtor nation that must devalue its currency
Sioux Rose
NEXUS: Unfortunately this scathing "report card" is all too true. Just what KEM Patrick and others warned about. Would it have been worse under McCain? The naked aggression would remain on display for the world, but now it has a kinder, gentler face...
I am flabergasted that the American self-centered, impatiant, idiot fringe have already gone after the president-elect. He is disciplined and has class that we have not seen for 8 years. I think that at least one of the many reasons that we look so bad to the world is that we act like 5 y/o children so frequently. Give the man a break!! He isn't even president yet and you are all hollering for him to DO SOMETHING,ANYTHING, RIGHT NOW!!!!! You all act as if you have the answers to the unbelievable load he has taken on. I don't know how to fix the mess caused by our present idiot president and devious vice president but I do think that we should give Obama a chance, 100 days, 1 year, maybe if we can be disciplined we could give him a term or two in office. I remember that the Clinton team ran into huge problems at the start because he didn't have any advisors to inform him how to avoid the pitfalls of the beginning of any administration. I would place money on the fact that those of you with the biggest mouths have as little understanding of how to solve all these intertwined problems as I have and admit to. I repeat - GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE.
."I am flabergasted that the American self-centered, impatiant, idiot fringe have already gone after the president-elect."
You may be flabbergasted all you wish, you may even call those with whom you disagree impatient and idiotic, that is your choice. However I see nothing idiotic in noting the appointments of the same old corporate leaders, the same old Wall Street financiers, the same old crowd wedded to the same old sick and unfair system, with much trepidation. I see your disciplined and classy President_Elect call for , not the ending of war, but the expansion thereof. Thus I post with skepticism.
I wonder what it is you see, other than the contrast between the ineffable anti-intellectualism of George W. and the remarkably contrasting intellect of Obama, to give you such hope. Desperation is really no reason to bring great expectation to the table. One less polite than I might note it idiotic to expect major differences from the same old folks now taking up major roles in the new government.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
My take on "give the man a chance": http://sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/?p=101
Judithanne, I am assuming that you feel the Clinton administration straightened itself out and became one that you felt good about? Many of us posting here would most likely not share that view.
I would agree that Obama appears disciplined and classy. I don't think those are qualities that couldn't be true of a totalitarian leader, either. Persona doesn't dictate policy. He never claimed to be anti war or anything but a centrist. Although he did claim he wouldn't vote for FISA and then he did. In fact, none of his senate voting record would tell us he is a progressive. Not to mention the fact that he talked the black caucus into voting for the bailout.
But, it is strange to me that I keep getting emails from "mybarack.org" asking for donations to "keep the movement going". I have tried to get through on one of their many addresses, to find out what exactly this movement is that they need my money for. Of course, I only get automated responses. I am guessing it is the 2012 campaign. He also holds the record for money spent on a campagn, after giving lipservice to campaign fund reform.
It seems you are someone who was content with u.s. policy, but George Bush just went too far and was too unsophisticated in his style. Maybe I am wrong. Many people who are posting here were activists before George W. They were not merely liberal Democrats. This seems to be the conflict over Obama now. I know people who are still saying "We did it"! But they are people who just found Bush distasteful and they weren't even against the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq initially.
Perhaps people here are offended by Obama's constant talk of the war on terror and increasing u.s. military and surging into Afghanistan. Personal narrative isn't everything. But it works in the u.s.
Maybe people here are passionate because Obama appears to be a Trojan Horse. Although, I personally never saw him as anything but a very slick politician. Americans seem easily impressed by someone who is a great poker player and shows no emotions. I think he is a great actor, myself. Everyone is entitled to their own impressions.
> He has made many speeches and funny interviews, yet he has not still told the world that the vicious, illegal, and universally condemned Bush Doctrine of Preemptive War would be rejected on his first day in office.
Make that the Carter-Clinton-Bush doctrine of preemptive war. Carter said that the US would go to war to protect the oil.
Change is all around.
The flower of hope is blossoming.
Let a hundred flowers blossom.
Can we create change?
I think we can...
I think we can...
Yes, we can.
Not a chance, Joe.
I dont see any of you doing anything.
snydly
rec: Paul Hawken's book: "Blessed Unrest"----we certainly have some unrest in these posts, no?
What if they gave a war and nobody came?--an old chesnut from the Nam years...
Obama ? If 5+ million people showed up at the inauguration or in their own state Capitols. That would send a message...
That book is one of the next ones on my list!
How about a solution:
http://www.thoughts.com/RedNeckPossie/blog/a-way-to-give-power-back-to-the-people-184665/
A Hint Of Change?
"Based on?"
"For three days in a row the president-elect holds a press conference where, in regard to the economy, he assures us that help is on the way."
"Anything else?"
"Following each of these press conferences the stock market rises sharply."
Nader had all the good, moral positions yet virtually no one was willing to
support his campaign(wouldn't want to appear ridiculous amoung
all our Obama loving liberal friends, would we?).
Now that he is elected, the complaints about Obama start.
Gimme a break!
Many people will do the right thing if they are forced to do so, and maybe Obama will be one of them. But not if it interferes with the desires of the corporate elite.
The fact that Nader isn't even offered a position in Obama's government is a sign of things to come (but we have plenty of people with military and corporate views).
“Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.”--Mikhail Gorbachev
Well, many of us said don't have any illusions about Obama. It's going to take one heck of a mobilized effort to get him to do the "right thing".
What makes people think that they can 'make' Obama 'do the right thing'?
At the risk of being beaten up here, I am wondering if this isn't a kind of racism in itself. If this were a white guy with a typical elitist background, or even a bill clinton kind of guy, would people be so optimistic that our president-elect has great intentions, but his hands are just too tied? I really can't account for why everyone is surprised that politicians are, well, politicians.
He ran as the opposite of Bush's personae and it worked well. He is the 'unifyer', regardless of the substance of what he unifies. Now that we had the three day 'terror' attack in India, we can count on Obama continuing in Bush's footsteps.
Well, I read one of B Obama's books and he doesn't have a right-wing bone in his body. His left-wing credentials are a lot better than mine.
With Bill Clinton he had great intentions, but yes his hands were too tied. "It was war from the day he stepped into office."
> What makes people think that they can 'make' Obama 'do the right thing'?
It's called participatory democracy.
The way I see it after eight years of being ruled instead of governed people have so much pent-up demand they can hardly stand it. Now we have some small inkling of how people in places like Argentina felt. I don't think it has anything to do with race.
.For a man who supposedly hasnt a right wing bone in his body he has certainly appointed a number of right wing leaning folks to his administration. I might question a decision based upon the reading of one book while ignoring speeches and appointments that refute your assumption.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Frisbie ---Fair enough. I didn't read Obama's books, I must admit.
But, I don't believe that simply voting for a certain person is going to change much of anything. And there are minyons who really believe this is what has happened. And, well, its all been said...
Simbelmyne:(I like your name.) Yes. And I voted for him.
Bush doesn't need to issue a de jure pardon for his accomplices, because Obama has already issued a de facto pardon. The new president will not pursue war and human rights criminals because that would implicate members of his new team, plus the husband of his secretary of state.
Bill Clinton's administration invented "extraordinary rendition," more prosaically known as kidnapping, forced disappearance, conspiracy to violate human rights and torture by proxy.
Any investigation, and subsequent prosecutions, cannot rely on a de facto statute of limitations for offenses prior to 20 January 2001, so Obama will scuttle the whole concepts of rule of law, accountability and respect for human rights. While he might halt the outrages, he will neither regain the respect of the world and the tolerance of our potential enemies by prosecuting the guilty, nor deter future wrongdoing.
Alex
I don't much about law, but there seems to be some assumption that an indictment must come from the Department of Justice. It seems to me that many could bring suit, and I don't see why W and D shouldn't be in courtrooms for the remainder of their lives.
Business dominates the United States, including both parties. The Democrats are using this opportunity to establish themselves as the party of fiscal conservatism.
"Eisenhower Republicans! We're all Eisenhower Republicans!" -- An exasperated Bill Clinton
The Democrats are the party of business, war, and fiscal conservatism. The Republicans are the party of business, war, fiscal irresponsibility, demagoguery, torture, and hate. The idea is that the Democrats can take the position of the Eisenhower Republicans, while the Republicans will be stuck with the redneck vote.
If you want something other than that, you'll have to work for it.
These discussions have a wearisome quality to them.
It is clear that most folks simply do not know the true influences of power, or what it is that the president as a man can actually accomplish. They want to attribute an omnipotent quality and effect to the position that was never meant to be (this explains Bush), and then complain about the result. They do not realize their own role in creating an actual functioning democracy, which is greater than merely casting a vote. And there are too many poorly formed ideals as to what a system of government is to be, how it is to function, and what it is to serve.
When will this stop being about what others do for or to us? When will it become about what we ourselves do?
We have the opportunity and means, but not the will, to pursue and institutionalize the power of the people under Amendment X. Instead, we find it easier to leave all the responsibility and acts of power to the existing branches, allowing them to overreach their authority. We then whine and bicker like children about what should have been a clearly foreseeable outcome. We find it unsatisfactory but apparently easier to allow the corruption of power rather than to seize power ourselves. We have gone from who cares to WTF, and can find no greater solace than to condemn every conceivable failing, whilst ignoring our own.
It is folly to think of government of, by and for the people when the people persist in merely assigning responsibility (and blame) to others. It is ignorant to think that a government, any government or any person in that government should exist as an all encompassing all powerful entity, wherein every consideration and hope and justice is resolved. We have no right to complain about the disconnect between our wants and this wielding of power when we ourselves do little to nothing to actually partake in and affect it.
At some point we must recognize how a government can and must be checked by those it serves. Interesting enough, the corporations have managed to figure this out, even though they have less legal standing and no particular constitutional protections. They have purchased their influence at our expense, and we have allowed it. Yet, the corporations have no power that we don't give them. We make their products and provide their services. We buy their goods and invest in their capitalization.
Then we elect their puppets and do nothing but complain as to how we aren't represented.
And these discussion are the best we can come up with?
Cosmobilly:Interesting. The corporations have the money, which is the grease that runs the campaigns (etc) at local level up through federal elections. It's often been said, there's more of "us" than "them". Many people are active in a variety of issues/areas based on need and interest, time and abilities. Some people just like to type. I enjoy reading thoughtful comments. I use some others as a way to get my own views "out". I read CD for the articles and the comments are "lagniappe". (I am excluding the nasty,stupid comments, which I rarely read.)
Don't you know that Mr. Obama is appointing the "best and the brightest" to get us out of the quagmires of Mr. Bush.
BTW, the first time the term "best and the brightest" was used to describe a cabinet of ruling elite was under the Kennedy administration. This is also the same "best and the brightest" who took us into Vietnam and perpetuated that corrupt war which killed millions.
To me the term "best and the brightest" is a red flag meaning "the worst and stupidest."
I believe Vietnam was a concession by Kennedy. Perhaps someone can verify...
Thia is just hilarious!! I told my Obama loving son and daughter that this was going to happen and they got all bent out of shape at me. They just couldn't imagine that Obama is just like McCain is just like Bush is just like Clinton(s) is just like Kerry is just like all of them down in that rathole called Washington DC.
There isn't a good or noble politician among any of them down there. They are all panderers of the worst sort, whores who would make a .25 cent street walker blush for shame, prostitutes to the highest corporate bidder, and if they don't go along with the program, they will get JFK'ed somewhere somehow.
Obama is just the next in a long line of failures. It is already coming to light!
The truth is if you want better pols and I most certainly do, we're going to have to start on the local level and work our ways up to the state and then the federal level. Take heart. Your son and daughter will find out as they grow up. I used to be a die-hard Republican and then a die-hard Democrat and then I finally got so fed up with both parties when I learned the dirty truth about them. Unfortunately, I felt too lonely to vote independent so I went against my heart and mind and hit the Obama button pessimistic that my vote for 3rd party would make no difference. You could say I was a reluctant voter. Oh well, I survived the past 8 years despite all the hell so how much worse can the next 4 get? Besides, the Congress and the Courts haven't changed much anyway.
Carla Waters:Hi. I really agree with your first sentence. Who knows how old the son and daughter are? I remember that Michael Moore said that when he was 18,he ran for local school board and won. The courts changed a lot under Bush:I think he got to appoint over one third of the federal judges. Obama will get to appoint a couple of judges to the Supreme Court, if not more. A relative complained about the city council in their small city. I suggested the person run for office, since said person had the time. My relative was not interested.
CHANGE OBAMA....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P805m1REFEs
Somebody please send me the new definition of change. Someone seems to have changed it.
Rickster
Barack Obama’s choice to head the budget office is on record favoring a reduction in Social Security benefits.
On Tuesday, Obama picked Peter Orszag to direct the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). Orszag believes that Social Security benefits should be cut back to help balance the Social Security Trust Fund over the next 75 years.
This is Change???
This is why Wall $treet gave more money to Obama than to Mccain. At this rate, Wall $treet will be celebrating with joy. And don't worry. While Main Street keeps shooting itself in the feet, Wall $treet will keep laughing its ways to the bank until they wet their panties !
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, it's a friggin duck! Now what? Dig deep, take care of our immediate environment; we CAN do that.
Spoiled Liberal who expects a leader who will not support misguided war policy and insane fiscal practice. (Can you imagine if you practiced the aforementioned behaviors in your personal life? That's right, hated and broke. Duh!)
The way it’s supposed to work, Obama as Prez tells his “crew” what to do and they do it. He provides the “what” that needs doing and the crew provides the “how” that “what” gets done. Experience in knowing how to effect change is wonderful because it expedites getting things done. After eight years of a helmsman who ran our ship of state, ie, America, like a blind drunken pirate, it’s going to take a little time to fix things. Obama’s “whats” are what count and as long as they’re nothing like Bush’s “whats” America’s gonna be okay. Given the right marching orders, experienced worker bees do better than novices.
RJW
I can hardly wait to see how little Obama is going to do. The suspense is killing me.
Maybe we need to allow the new "decider" to actually be in office before we criticize too much.
This is a tenuous time; a country at war and in financial and industrial free-fall.
Obama stated himself that things will get worse before they get better. So, better to be cautious and not change too radically too fast .... otherwise, the public will blame the new policies and not the previous administrations for the mess we are in.
I think Obama is clever enough to know that we also need experience in the time of crisis. A football coach does not hire basketball players for the sake of change. Rather, he changes his strategy on the field of play. He directs the talent and experience of his team. That is what Obama says he will do. His approach to solving problems is the change.
"I think Obama is clever enough to know that we also need experience in the time of crisis."
There's plenty of people out there with plenty of experience who have been jumping up and down and trying to warn everybody where we were heading.
Anyway you can't rely on people whose experience shows a history of bad decisions. A person who makes a wrong decision once in while and admits it learns by their mistakes. a person who every now and then makes good decisions isn't one who should be making decisions or offering advice.
Rickster
I think I see what Obama is doing. By appointing the people who are responsible for and supported the current mess we're in, by their advice he will definitely know that's not the way we should be heading. The only problems is does he have what it takes to get them to support the way he decides to take.
I'm tempted to go hide somewhere and hope the American people wake up and quit voting for the lessor of two evils. By then it may be to late.
Rickster
Maybe Obama is smart enough to know that the whole house of cards is going down, so he's appointing most of those responsible, like Summers who helped engineer the overturning of Glass-Steagel, and Hillary the warrior queen, and Gates etc. etc.. It's his way of punishing them, make them really see the errors of their ways. THEN, he'll fire them all, after we've hit bottom, and appoint those he really wants. Is there any other explanation?
rebelnow,
Now, there's a fine vision to contend with the confusion some of us are having. I like it....Make those who erred, manipulated for personal gain, went along with the agenda of the clique and spent all our money on poor investments (wars and magical thinking economic practices) clean up the messes and then send them to their rooms without dinner. I don't think Rumsfeld will be asked to fix anything! A night light is on there, but no movement is detected. Cheney needs to be sent to Guantanamo with a broom and a mop and work double shifts cleaning latrines to undo his sins. GW Bush will be unavailable as he will be clearing brush on his ranch with that tiny chainsaw, then having BBQ on the terrace while popping Prozac with his gin and tonic.
All that is not identical has passed through a change. Some of the faces have changed, ergo – mandate accomplished!
Another sucker who can't believe a politician, of all people, pulled the old bait and switch.
GWB promised compassionate conservatism, remember? Uniter not divider? 50 million fell for that shit, too.
Clinton promised to restore ethics. Ha ha ha.
BO voted for telecom immunity, the bailouts, illegal occupation funding; he gratefully accepted bribes - er, contributions - from Citi and Freddie and the rest of the bank robbers; and he repeatedly spoke of his desire to continue and expand the phony "war on terror," just to name a few of the many clear warnings of the future BO was actually promising.
Yet, so many are now so shocked their "hope" that he would be "different" has been quashed so quickly. Guess blinders come in both Red and Blue...
How could anyone be surprised that the Left is now (again) marginalized and powerless. I mean, really, did you expect something...different?
It's called "chump change."
Some folks just don't get it. Given the lack of third-party support during this past election, they never will, it seems.
The Bill Clinton campaign also had a kind of flair for roping in the rubes. Clinton called it, "real change" back then. Now, whenever I think of that phrase, I think of Clinton's accent - the wailing tone of a Southern Baptist minister. I'm not sure how Clinton managed to say "real change" without laughing, but he pulled it off, and most loyal Democrats still don't get the joke today.
Some people writing here say they are still waiting on Obama. I think Obama's campaign phrase was, "We are the change we've been waiting for." It sounds like an endless loop in computer programming where the premise never comes true. All you do is wait for change, but you get more of the same, so you never get change.
I'm not saying that voters are dumb. The U.S. election process ensures plutocratic control. It's just that some posters here actually seem to have believed Obama's campaign rhetoric. I sure hope they will get angry as they see that they have been betrayed once again. So, I guess, in that sense, I have some hope, albeit faint.
-TIA
. . . he tells us that we have only one president at a time and that president is George W. Bush.
Yes, George Wanker Bush who today said he "liberated" the Iraqis. If death is liberation, I'll stay a slave.
Someone has already noted that a bowl of soup could succede Bush as president and do a better job. That being said, if you are only noticing now a lack of “progressive” in Obama’s genes, well …