The Radical Face of Obama
A Fateful Election
Panning across the faces of the country's leaders gathered in the Cabinet Room to confront the "financial crisis" in late September, the camera's eye moves from the President-looking tired, shrunken, desiccated-to his Treasury secretary and other powerful advisers, and then slowly makes its way down and around the long Cabinet table, trailing over the familiar waxen features of the barons of the Senate and the House, lingering for a moment on the self-consciously resolute face of the white-haired Senator John McCain, and finally reaches the table's end where it settles at last on the figure of a lean, solitary black man slumped in his seat. He seems relaxed, composed, self-contained-and strikingly, powerfully isolated. In how many such rooms holding how many such powerful people in the recent and distant past has his been the only black face?
The radicalism of Barack Obama lies not in his policies but in his face. It is a radicalism not just of color but of emergence, for scarcely a year ago that face was utterly unknown to the overwhelming majority of Americans. Not since Jimmy Carter in 1976 has a major party put forward as nominee a candidate so little known to the country. Just as the obscure one-term governor from Georgia owed his victory to the intertwined disasters of Vietnam and Watergate and the profound crisis of legitimacy they brought in train, so Obama as national political phenomenon was born of the Iraq War, the War on Terror, and the failed economic radicalism of the present administration.
Obama has arisen out of a plain of scorched earth, a longed-for rebirth at the logical limit of an exhausted politics. Seven years after September 11 the "wartime president" has brought his War on Terror to a dead end in the bloody stalemate in Iraq, where American dollars now fund both the Iranian-allied Shiite government and the former Baathist insurgents, and on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, where $10 billion of US aid now buys the bullets that Pakistani soldiers fire at US special forces hunting a resurgent Taliban and al-Qaeda. At home the President turned huge surpluses into vast deficits, more than doubling the national debt, and pushed the deregulatory zeal of the Reagan administration into a frightening near-collapse of the entire financial system.
This astonishing record has made the only president brought to power by the Supreme Court the most unpopular since modern polling began, leading more than eight Americans in ten to conclude that the country is "on the wrong track" and millions to change their party identification from Republican to Democrat.
Obama's miraculous rise is inexplicable without that shrunken pale figure in the Cabinet Room, whose waning shadow still looms over this election. Though Obama evokes the theme of a new bipartisanship with great eloquence and power, he promises the bounties of a traditional Democrat: a middle-class tax cut, health care for nearly everyone, investments in roads and bridges, money for early childhood education and job training. Behind the eloquently intoned mantra of a new politics of hope lies a movement fueled by a deep-seated sense of rebellion-against "politics as usual," against "experience" as a political value (and the older generation that holds it as such), against "Washington" and all the evils that that word evokes. His populism is brilliantly engineered and inspiring in its eloquence-and, for all that, in its essence deeply familiar.
And yet there is the radicalism of that face. It supplies the obvious answer to the obvious conundrum of this election: Why, given "the fundamentals"-the historic unpopularity of the incumbent party and the tottering economy, which should make certain an opposition landslide-is the contest so close? What differs here, and differs profoundly, is the unspoken centrality of race, the ancient sinful fulcrum of American politics. As Lyndon Johnson foresaw, the Democrats' belated championing of the civil rights revolution of the mid-1960s, in moving the "solid South" from Democrat to Republican hands, enabled the Republicans to dominate the White House for two generations. After 1968, Republicans won seven in ten presidential elections. (Before it, Democrats had won seven of ten.)
It is no accident that the largest single polling disparity between McCain and Obama voters, apart from race itself, is age. Obama's candidacy is in large part a rebellion of the young, for whom race has much less saliency, and one of the great indeterminacies of the election is how many young people will turn out to vote. Another is whether the increase in those who will vote for Obama in part because of his race-most notably, African-Americans, who are registering in large numbers-will offset or exceed those who will vote against him in part for the same reason. This immensely complex question, which goes far beyond the debate over the so-called "Bradley Effect" (the disparity between what voters tell pollsters and what they actually do in the voting booth), turns at its heart on whether race can be used effectively as a kind of "ignition switch" to make of Obama, for a critical subset of voters in a handful of critical states, a figure too culturally "different" and "foreign" and "elite" to seem in the end a plausible leader.
The potential is certainly there, for one sees persistent signs of it in everyday life. "I could never vote for Obama"-I've heard variations of this line a great many times over the last few weeks, most recently from a waiter who noticed me paging through the newspaper's political coverage. "I could never vote for a Muslim," he went on, smiling apologetically; and what struck me about the ensuing exchange was my inability to convince this man, whom I've known for years, that Obama is Christian-"He only converted when he was twelve," he insisted-or that he hadn't "changed his position, on everything, almost every day." Whether or not such disinformation is planted or actively encouraged, and however much its persistence might owe to race, it is clear that it flows like a subterranean stream through much of the country and the extent and depth of that stream are impossible to quantify.
What is not in doubt is that this substratum of concern or discomfort about race, and complementary worries about Obama as a foreigner or outsider for whom a vote would thus become a perilous gamble, have provided a prime target for Republican political and media operatives. Their delicate task in the weeks ahead will be to blend race with more traditional Republican "hot-button" "culture war" themes-worries about patriotism, elitism, sex education, abortion, gay marriage-and construct out of this mix a series of potent images and symbols intended to peel off from the Democratic coalition so-called "Reagan Democrats," conservative, often "ethnic" urban and suburban working- and middle-class voters.
Voters in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Colorado and a handful of other states will likely hear much about Reverend Wright and his call to "God Damn America!" and about Senator Obama's supposed support for "teaching kindergartners about sex before we teach them to read." These thirty-second pieces of political art, whether produced by the McCain campaign itself, the Republican National Committee, or "independent" groups, will be aimed at a subset of the 12 percent or so of voters who remain undecided, and are intended to lower the numbers of those who say they look positively on Obama and "identify" with his "values and background"-numbers that, as I write, have been declining even as the candidate's national numbers are rising.
That such ads will be denounced as distortions and lies will not necessarily blunt their effectiveness, for they are directed at a narrow audience that tends to distrust or ignore the "mainstream media." They work, when they do work, according to a logic of powerful symbols and images which tend to overwhelm facts, particularly when those facts come from a world of reporters and commentators viewed as inherently biased and "elite." And they are directed at an audience-the so-called "beer-drinking" or "lunch-pail" Democrats-which, having largely favored Hillary Clinton in the primaries, especially in the critical old industrial states of the Midwest that Obama lost, may be more than usually receptive to their appeal.
Whether or not John McCain's campaign will be able to exploit this vulnerability turns on whether, among these several million critical voters, fear of an unfamiliar African-American "elitist" can be made to overwhelm fear of an extension of Republican governance that few can now doubt has proved catastrophic for the country. Obama has hammered away on the latter theme, declaring at every opportunity that "the country cannot afford four more years of the same Bush policies"-and then the financial crisis, striking like a bolt of lightning, illuminated for all to see the ruins of the economic landscape. McCain, who has been struggling to present himself as a populist (and, implicitly, anti-Bush) "maverick" who would lead the country on a very different course, understood the danger the crisis posed for him but fumbled badly in his attempt to exploit it. Even as Republicans unleash a new onslaught designed to increase his opponent's "negatives," McCain must somehow make his "maverick" argument credible, not least by joining it to a positive economic vision for the country; only thus is he likely to persuade enough voters who are disgusted with Republican policies and deeply worried about the economy-but who still fear, or can be made to fear, a President Obama.
It is a truism that given the political "fundamentals"-the anger at Bush, the fear of hard times, the disquiet over the country's direction-the election this year should bring overwhelming Democratic victory. Perhaps, given the vast increases in voter registration and the shift in party identification, that is precisely what will happen. But we are beyond models here. It is the very unpopularity of Bush and the atmosphere of profound disillusion and crisis that helped produce a Democratic challenger whose election-however remarkable his talents, however stirring his eloquence, however bright his promise-would constitute a true revolution. That this is so stems from the unspoken shame of American politics. That that shame might finally be overcome is perhaps the most precious promise of the "politics of hope."
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Show AllI initially clicked on this article because I read the headline as "The Radical FaRce..." and thought CommonDreams published something sensible about B.O. for a change. Instead? Worst... article... EVER.
Y'know what FACE might send a better message to the Middle East? An Arab-American one!
Nader '08
Will this author wax poetic next about Goldman Sachs, Obama's No. 1 campaign fund raiser?
I'm all for poetry, but some guy getting millions in campaign donations from big Wall Street concerns is probably not a populist, nor an unknown quantity among the Washington and corporate power brokers.
The fact that the Obama camp has stuffed its advisory with some of the worst war mongers and plutocrats hanging around kind of disrupts the lovely portrait being painted in this article. He's got Zbigniew Brezinski (Carter's former war-mongering secretary of state) and Chicago School of Economics shock jocks waiting in state for the coronation.
Racism is a big factor in the United States. However, the racists are likely Southern Republicans who wouldn't vote for anyone in the Democratic party anyway.
Trumping race in America is class. So, while the Republicans aren't the "party of Lincoln" anymore, they do let black folks of a certain class into the club. So, we've seen Colin Powell, war criminal, on the Republican side (eagerly embraced as a brother by Obama now). We have Condoleeza Rice, who once had a Chevron oil tanker named after her. We've got Clarence Thomas making those tough calls on the Supreme Court. Then there are the Alan Keyes and Ward Connerly types, putting "their own folk" down for the Republican Party.
The author forgets that Obama didn't want a financial bailout that would have set up the courts to help subprime mortgage victims renegotiate their unfair loans. Many of the fraudster home mortgage companies targeted blacks with those adjustable rate mortgages that proved so devastating in this housing bubble. Some black protesters during an Obama speech even called upon Obama to address issues that affect black people in his campaign (to no avail). We also saw how Obama chastized his own reverend (who is black) for speaking the truth about U.S. "terrorism" practiced abroad with bombs and occupying armies.
Sure racism is an ugly disease in America, but an exception is made for class. Stupid voters are just that - they won't be educated. However, let's also be smart enough voters to not vote for someone with investment bankers and plutocrats as pals. And by the way, Obama's healthcare plan is just an insurance industry plan. Why is anyone speaking about it as some populist dream on the verge of coming true?
I think this author is writing satire, quite frankly. ;)
-TIA
jcswayzee wrote: "I voted for Nadar in 2000, but only because I lived in a state that was deep blue. You don't change the system from the top down, you change it from the bottom up. Nadar has a snowball's chance in Hell of ever being elected president, no matter how many times he runs. I don't know why so many people that post here think he has a chance."
You gotta love the circular logic of this joker. "Nader doesn't have a chance so I am not going to give him a chance". If you were really about giving a Nader a chance you would not be voting for him, you would be working for him.
The fact that you make a very common spelling mistake of NadEr's name shows you have at best a peripheral understanding of the man which in turn leads one to question the veracity of your statements. I doubt you voted for Nader in any election.
jcswayzee wrote: "If you think your vote is sending a statement, you're right. That you're nuts. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. Take that enthusiasm for Nadar, and any donations you may sending him, and give it all to your local Green Party candidates if you want to make a difference."
The Green Party is in a state of shambles after being subverted by DemocRAT Party Operatives. The fact of the matter is the organizational chaos injected into the party by this operation has rendered the Green Party totally ineffective in political discourse. Want proof ? Checkout Cynthia McKinney's webpage. She must be rueing her decision to hitch her wagon to them.
As to swayzee's lame insult about "doing things over and over again" he or she demonstrates once again that their knowledge of political discourse can be best described as superficial. Nader's campaign this year dramatically differs with the campaign he conducted in 2000. The 2004 Campaign was torpedoed by the barage of lawsuits used to throw Nader off the ballot in a dozen states which also financially crippled it.
jcswayzee wrote: "Start by electing local officials that are progressives. Until you change the makeup of governorships and state houses, you'll never see the Senate, the House and the White House become progressive governing bodies. The only other way to effect that kind of change would be a revolution, and the American people are currently too self-absorbed to do that."
This is the same logic used by the Green Party over the last 16 years. It has failed miserably. Matt Gonzalez was leading Democrat Gavin Newsome in the closing days of the 2003 San Francisco Mayoral Race when the party apparacheks brought the big cannons to town like Al Gore and Bill Clinton to campaign for the sneering weasel. The rest was academic. The rich resturanter won over the better qualified attorney and Board of Supervisor President.
No party can maintain ballot status without running candidates for Statewide Office. In order to be effective any new party must compete at ALL Levels.
jcswayzee wrote: "Vote for Obama, if for no other reason than that if McCain gets in, The Supreme Court goes totally to the extreme right. Appointing judges just might be the President's single most important function. If you think that a Democratic Senate is going to prevent that, you're deluding yourselves. Deals will be cut no matter who is in power."
This is the most twisted line of logic that liberals put out ! The fact of the matter is packing the US Supreme is at best a tenuous proposition. Clinton era appointees are some of the most pro-corporate anti-civil liberties jurists ever appointed. During hearings for the nomination of Stephen Breyer Ralph Nader branded the candidate "Corporatist to the Core". Right now the only jurist sitting on the Court who has shown any spine on civil liberties issues is Anthony Kennedy. He was a Bush Appointee, Papa Doc Bush that is ! Ruth Bader Ginsburg has show remarkable class arrogance against the poor in her decisions and opinions she writes. "But she is pro-choice" the liberals cry. Which brings me to my final point on this issue. Supreme Court Justices hear more than cases on abortion. No matter what your stance is on the issue one should logically ask the question what gives groups like NARAL and NOW the right to hijack the process with the imposition of their litmus test since 1992 ? We all have suffered because of it !
Addressing Danner' s piece. The word Radical comes from the Greek meaning "to go to the root". As in a square root symbol used in Mathematics. That is a radical. The contemporary meaning that is loosely interpretted to mean extreme or extremist was a coined meaning generated in the 60s. It is a code word used to give the recipient license to suspend critical thought and illicit an emotional response. Unfortunately Barack Obama's analysis doesn't go to the root of anything ! He is the most Pro-Corporate Candidate in US Political History. He has taken more money from coroporate sources to fund his campaign than other candidate. So much money he turned downed Federal Matching Funds because it came with spending limitations.
RONALD REAGAN DIDN'T EVEN DO THAT !
Obama has a Radical face ?
Mister Danner, what do you have loaded in that water pipe ?
http://www.youtube.com/user/votenader08?ob=4
.Thank you for an entertaining and informative post..
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
STOP ALL THIS WHINING…IT’S PATHETIC
Nader WILL NOT WIN and Obama may be the lesser of two evils. Obama may be one step closer to ending politics as usual; but change takes time, even decades.
Blacks have had to endure decades of slavery, then decades of being free with no rights, and then decades of having rights with no enforcement, then decades of enforcement with undercover racism that lives on to this day. So, change takes time. Hell, we have been in Iraq for half a decade and can’t change them to succumb to our preying claws. Let’s not even mention the Indians who are still feeling the impact early American pillaging.
So what makes any of you think that one man, be it Nader, Obama or whoever will change the hearts and minds of Americans who live, eat and drink capitalism; who are more concerned with the latest gossip in Hollywood and who step on anyone to capture the “illusion” of the American dream?
Americans were lazy enough to allow GWB two terms; Americans paid for his decisions with their tax dollars; Americans support these large “corrupt” corporations as consumers and employees; Americans kissed their sons and daughters good-bye to fight in a war that was wrong; and young Americans made the decision that…to be all they could be…meant they had to kill for lies in the US military. The American lifestyle votes for these policies every day; not every 4 years.
So who cares who’s in charge; America will never change until Americans rise up and demand a change...and you don’t demand a change by voting every four years.
evan_viewer October 20th, 2008 2:28 pm wrote:
Nader WILL NOT WIN and Obama may be the lesser of two evils.
Since when does a candidate’s immediate chance to win have anything to with how I should vote? Social evolution through the electoral system is a slow process. It’s not for those with short attention spans who want immediate gratification.
A strong Nader or McKinney vote will encourage a main party administration to devote more energy to the issues proposed by those candidates.
A strong Nader or McKinney vote will pave the way for a stronger vote for these or similar candidates in the next election.
There is much to gain even if these candidates do not actually win.
These are very valid reasons to vote either Nader or McKinney.
evan_viewer October 20th, 2008 2:28 pm wrote:
So who cares who’s in charge; America will never change until Americans rise up and demand a change...and you don’t demand a change by voting every four years.
Are you advocating violent revolution? Personally I prefer the more mature approach of negotiation through the electoral system. Did you know that that is how some countries actually won their independence from colonial empires? Read some Canadian history. There was no revolution. There was no war. Yet Canada is an independent country. How did they do it? It’s called Canadian Confederation. It happened through the British Parliamentary system without the loss of a single life. Through diplomacy Canada achieved the same outcome as America who wasted thousands of lives in the Revolutionary War. They simply exhibited a bit more patience. What fools we are.
Affecting change through the electoral system does not come from voting for main party candidates.
Sooooo... in 1984 because Mondale wasn't going to win people should have voted for Reagan..?
why would u characterize the discussion in this thread, sometimes civil and sometimes not, as whining?
Jacob Freeze writes:
"The radicalism of Barack Obama lies not in his policies but in a plastic spoon with ants on it!."
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At this rate, commondreams would do its readers a kindness by blanking out the ARTICLES, rather than the comments.
This piece may well be the worst of ALL the pro-Obama horse-puckey that's plopped, on commondreams and elsewhere: it's worse than Tom Hayden's, worse even than Alice Walker's. It is EVEN worse than Jonathan Alter's.
Thank God this voting event -- hard to call it an election, since the mob-friendly "face" has simply BOUGHT it -- is nearly over: the English language, at least, MAY survive.
Six months from now, there won't be enough bandwidth in the world to EAT all these words.
Do yourself a favor, kids: vote for Ralph Nader.
I'm not sure Danner's pro-Obama horse-plop is worse than Tom Hayden's. Them thar is fightin' words! In my humble opinion, Tom Hayden sets the standard for mindless Dem Party horse-plop, because he draws on street cred earned by a radicalism that died decades ago. Ex-radicals are the most pathetic type of two-faced liberal.
First, before replying to a couple of comments about my previous post, let me say that I have not yet experienced an obamagasm, and probably never will!
ardee replied: "So, you voted for a guy whose name you cant even spell?" (I misspelled "Nader", as "Nadar")
What are you, my freakin' editor? By the way, the Oxford American Dictionary's definition of "cant":
"cant 1 |kant|
noun
1 hypocritical and sanctimonious talk, typically of a moral, religious, or political nature"
Perhaps you meant to type "can't"? ;-)
Lobo Gris replied to my comment:
"And what makes you think we aren't already trying to do that in local and state races along with voting independent/third party in Senate, House, and Presidential races? Are you trying to tell us we can't vote the way we want in national races until we elect some officials in local and state races? LOL. Any excuse to get us to continue voting against our own best interests by continuing to vote Dem regardless of how little sense the argument makes."
No, I'm not trying tell you how to vote. I think that Nader is great at what he does, and he's been very effective as a private citizen railing against corporate interests and incompetent and/or corrupt regulatory agencies. But as a president, I believe that he would be a reverse Carter or Gore. That is, they have been more effective as private citizens than they ever were as President and Vice-president. If, by waving a magic wand, he were to be elected this year without the benefit of having a strong base of local, regional and national elected officials to back him up, he would be a lame duck out of the starting gate.
And, I reiterate that the single most important function of the president is appointing SOTUS and other judges. Can you honestly say that Obama's choices would not be more in your best interests than McCain's? Can any Nader supporters here not support Obama's probable SOTUS appointments, especially when compared with McCain's? Didn't we just find out, in the last 8 years, that there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats when it comes to naming justices?
In all honesty, I don't think that a vote for Nader will change the outcome of the race. They'll be offset by disaffected Republican and Libertarian votes for Bob Barr. So go ahead and do what you need to make a statement. And I wish us all success in electing local progressive candidates.
.Methinks thou doth protesteth overmuch...Mispelling his name once is a typo,as is forgetting a punctuation mark, twice is a bit more. Many critics of Ralph Nader intentionally mispell his name is exactly that fashion, as, I am certain, you well know.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
jcswayzee October 20th, 2008 10:56 am
"If, by waving a magic wand, he were to be elected this year without the benefit of having a strong base of local, regional and national elected officials to back him up, he would be a lame duck out of the starting gate."
If the electorate were to ever become angry enough to elect Nader they would at the same time sweep many incumbents out of office. It would be a sea change in American politics. IMO therefore he would not be a lame duck
Lobo Gris
Man, this Cat knows how to spin a tall tale...
It is too bad Obama's right of center voting record, and his backwards environmental plan, don't mesh with this guys overly sympathetic narrative. Given that Powell recently endorsed Obama along with the Chicago Tribune (who, by the way never endorsed a Democrat) tells you all you need to know about Obama's right of center agenda.
This article says more about the silly season than the content of the piece.
By the way, this goofy premise was first advanced in Andrew Sullivan's cover story for the Atlantic some time back. He posited that Obama's face would reassure kids in the Middle East about America's "change of direction" - a change I suspect will be unnoticeable in light of the continued occupations.
Sullivan supports Obama vigorously - or let me say opposes the Republicans more so for their failure to adhere to conservative orthodoxy.
A strange bedfellow indeed, but we should expect a lot of those this go round.
It's all about repudiating Bush, not embracing Democrats. Hang on to your hats.
By the way, this goofy premise was first advanced in Andrew Sullivan's cover story for the Atlantic some time back. He posited that Obama's face would reassure kids in the Middle East about America's "change of direction" - a change I suspect will be unnoticeable in light of the continued occupations.
Sullivan supports Obama vigorously - or let me say opposes the Republicans more so for their failure to adhere to conservative orthodoxy.
A strange bedfellow indeed, but we should expect a lot of those this go round.
It's all about repudiating Bush, not embracing Democrats. Hang on to your hats.
Mark Danner says...
"The radicalism of Barack Obama lies not in his policies but in his face."
Harharharhar!!!
"The radicalism of Barack Obama lies not in his policies but in his face."
Harharharhar!!!
[It just gets funnier every time I read it!]
The Democrats are running a face for President!
Harharharhar!!!
But I have to disagree with Mark Danner. It should be...
"The radicalism of Barack Obama lies not in his policies but in his haircut."
"The radicalism of Barack Obama lies not in his policies but in his shoes.."
Harharharhar!!!
This gives new life to every joke anybody ever made about a Democrat!
"The radicalism of Barack Obama lies not in his policies but in a plastic spoon with ants on it!."
"The radicalism of Barack Obama lies not in his policies but in a paperclip under my refrigerator!."
Let's just hope we don't need any radical or even progressive policies in the next four years, because instead of a radical or even a progressive President...
The Democrats are giving us a face, a haircut, a pair of shoes, and a paperclip under my refrigerator.
Jacob Freeze
"The radicalism of Barack Obama lies not in his policies but in his haircut."
-lol, love it!
You nailed it good buddy. The radicalism of Barack Obama lies in the dust that accumulates behind my computer.
"Not since Jimmy Carter in 1976 has a major party put forward as nominee a candidate so little known to the country. Just as the obscure one-term governor from Georgia owed his victory to the intertwined disasters of Vietnam and Watergate and the profound crisis of legitimacy they brought in train, so Obama as national political phenomenon was born of the Iraq War, the War on Terror, and the failed economic radicalism of the present administration."
Do we really want to start comparing Obama's potential as a president to Jiminy Carter's presidency? All I remember from Carter's years was the hostage crisis, a rabbit that apparently attacked him when he was in a canoe, and a big toothy smile that I was sick of long before his inauguration.
Obama's face might be the only thing radical about him... and we could say the same thing about Clarence Thomas and Condoleeza Rice... and look where these radical faces have gotten us. Not to mention General Powell, who we continue to be impressed with in spite of his radical face beaming all over the world as he instructed the UN, with pictures that could have been overhead satellite shots of my high school, in the ultimate wisdom of bombing the beejezus out of Iraq. It was not that long ago for god's sake.... If we are so enamoured of breaking the race barrier in the oval office why not at least consider someone like McKinney?
Good points bobv, love to be reminded of the rabbit attack!
"Jiminy"? Since he's white I guess that means he warrants such cruel caricature? There was a little bit more to Carter's Presidency than what you list here. As for the "hostage crisis" - it was only the first modern day Middle East quagmire from which our mindless, racist, unilateral, cowboy (uh maverick?) mythology could not extract us from once it got us there. Gee, why didn't you mention the failed hostage rescue attempt while you were at it? That's the other bit of msm half-truth that hung a crepe around Carter's but NOT, no NEVER around the necks of the Military-Industrial Banditos, who built and sent the million dollar helicopters that couldn't operate in sand to the desert. Yeah that was his fault too. I forgot.
He had the balls to tell America we were living beyond our energy consumption means, had the courage and intelligence to try to broker a multi-lateral peace in the Middle East and laid the ideological ground work for the Clinton and Obama presidencies. Which is to say he was a centrist with a conscience. Now you may not like that, but without the kind of bipartican approach Carter pioneered in the modern democratic party, Obama would not be where he is today.
But you're right bob, he does have funny teeth.
Oh and yeah, Obama is just like Clarence Thomas and Condalezza Rice.
Politics in America. God help us!
"Centrist with a conscience"...? Compassionate conservative?
Carter did more to radicalize Ralph Nader than any President, if you assume the events chronicled in the film An Unreasonable Man to be correct. It was Carter who subverted the Department of Consumer Protection initiative in Washington in 1979, which Nader championed.
Carter gave us Zbigniew B. and the infamous Carter Doctrine that secured "national interests" over human rights as the defining characteristic of our foreign policy.
Centrist with a conscience?! What unadulterated dreck!
Yes that's what I like best about these internet interactions on important political issues: the mature, reasoned and respectful exchange of ideas. I thank you.
A Naderite I take it? Could this charming attitude of yours be why the more or less sound political positions of Mr. Nader consistently languish at a 7% popularity?
Cheers!
The New York Review of Books or the New York Respew of Koolaid?
I thought Mark Danner's point was that it is race that accounts for the lack of overwhelming support for Obama in light of the unpopularity of Bush and that is why it would be revolutionary if he wins. Nowhere in the article does he mention independent voters or who he thinks they should vote for. He is talking about the people who will only vote for a Democrat or Republican.
He says:
"Why, given "the fundamentals"-the historic unpopularity of the incumbent party and the tottering economy, which should make certain an opposition landslide-is the contest so close? What differs here, and differs profoundly, is the unspoken centrality of race, the ancient sinful fulcrum of American politics."
Our task must be to free ourselves by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty. Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
He says:
"Why, given the 'fundamentals'-the historic unpopularity of the incumbent party and the tottering economy, which should make certain an opposition landslide-is the contest so close? What differs here, and differs profoundly, is the unspoken centrality of race, the ancient sinful fulcrum of American politics."
like someone said earlier on this thread, what pretty librul words. last week, over at progressive review, sam smith wrote an article entitled "passive-aggressive liberalism." in it, he noted the passivity of the dems when it came to fighting bush...the lack of a strong attempt to cut off war funding and the lack of putting forth a strong case for impeachment. smith then noted that liberals become aggressive when it comes to the white working class. some libs tend to tell us that the white working class is incapable of voting their own self-interest because of racism. huh?? what has obama done to give the white working class any confidence in him? earlier on this thread, i mentioned his inclusion of anti "free" traders in his SF speech, his econ advisers furman and rubin and his vote to give paulson the power to bailout the banksters. how could any of this inspire confidence with people struggling with day-to-day living? in actuality, obama may or may not be distant from these people. but to them (and me), he sure appears to be.
Instant-run-off voting (IRV) is great idea, and should be pushed for at the local level first, and forced up to the state and national level later. This is already happening in some states. Only with IRV will we really be able to "vote our hearts," without throwing our vote away. And, as seen in Europe, proportional, rather than "winner take all," voting is the best hope for some major systemic change as the minor parties begin to have more influence.
In the meantime, we must deal with the hand we are dealt. I voted for Nader back when Clinton was going against Dole -- an easy statement to make.
Now, with the GOP desperately fighting to disenfranchise every vote possible, and a "winner-take-all" system, Nader is a fool's vote.
Face it. Granted, Obama is a Corporate choice, but most certainly not the corporations' FIRST choice. It will take years of struggle and local action before we start to really shift the direction of this country. The fact is that we live in a kakistocratic oligarchy -- rule by the worst of the rich. With almost total control of the mainstream media, from Rush Limbaugh to CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, and the daily paper, the right-wing has managed to make a McCain/Palin presidency viable against all odds and against all rational thought. But there it is. Their only hope, at this point, is voter suppression and splintering of the leftist vote.
As I told some friends a couple months ago, I figured that by November 4th I would barely be able to tolerate voting for Obama after suffering through his shameless pandering in the last weeks before the election.
So, are you going to "vote your conscience," sucker? Jimmy Carter was a compromise too, and things happened on his watch that were not good. But Ronald Reagan was far, FAR, worse. And Reagan set into play many of the policies and memes that continue to plague us today.
So, my humble opinion is to damn the torpedoes, and full speed ahead. With Obama, there is a chance of change: with McCain/Palin there is none.
You are confusing two different things. IRV is not PR.
IRV is just an time saving method of having runoff elections were laws require a candidate to win with with a 50%-plus majority.
PR is a way of divvying out party representation in a parliamentary body by percentage of the vote - by using multi-represnetative districts, or at-large representatives.
Griz October 20th, 2008 12:42 am wrote:
In the meantime, we must deal with the hand we are dealt.
The real hand we are dealt is the freedom to vote for anyone we want based on the issues. But you choose instead to accept a hand that you have been fooled into thinking you have been dealt. In reality every American who lives where his name appears on the ballot is free to vote for Nader, and there is no legitimate reason why anyone who, based on the issues, wants to do so shouldn’t.
Griz October 20th, 2008 12:42 am wrote:
Nader is a fool's vote. … So, are you going to "vote your conscience," sucker?
This is just more of the same tactics of fear that everyone uses in America to preserve the corrupt and broken status quo. In this case it is the fear of appearing like a fool or a sucker.
There is nothing foolish or sucker about voting for the person that I see, based on the issues, will best fill the office of President. Indeed, three years from now, when we are all overwhelmed with another war and its inevitable escalating drain on our already weak economy, when we are subjected to more loss of freedom due to America's policies making the world a more dangerous place, it will be people like you whose voting strategy will appear flawed. But then most people like you will just come up with more phony reasons why in order to save America with the hand you claim we are dealt we should all switch again and vote Republican. And so, with no legitimate reason other than fear to do otherwise, the insanity continues.
Griz October 20th, 2008 12:42 am wrote:
So, my humble opinion is to damn the torpedoes, and full speed ahead. With Obama, there is a chance of change: with McCain/Palin there is none.
Your advice only further guarantees no chance for change.
Griz October 20th, 2008 12:42 am
"As I told some friends a couple months ago, I figured that by November 4th I would barely be able to tolerate voting for Obama after suffering through his shameless pandering in the last weeks before the election."
And yet you are not only planning on voting for him but are advocating that others do the same.
One definition of insanity is to keep repeating the same actions over and over, in this case voting Democratic, while each time expecting different results.
Lobo Gris
would someone who had a humble opinion ask a question like, "So, are you going to 'vote your conscience,'sucker?"
i live in a blue state and i'll be voting for nader. but i guess u see that as a fool's vote. and if i lived in a closely contested state, it would be like pulling teeth for me to vote for obama, but i might.
your thoughts about IRV and proportional representation are on the mark. i just don't get your need to insult nader voters. i guess it gives u some personal gratification....oh, boy
Mark Danner writes:
It is the very unpopularity of Bush and the atmosphere of profound disillusion and crisis that helped produce a Democratic challenger whose election-however remarkable his talents, however stirring his eloquence, however bright his promise-would constitute a true revolution. That this is so stems from the unspoken shame of American politics. That that shame might finally be overcome is perhaps the most precious promise of the "politics of hope."
In my opinion it would be more accurate to describe America as lost in “Politics of Public Apathy” and “Politics of Despair” rather than “Politics of Hope”.
It’s the apathy, the disinterest in all things that do not stimulate immediate entertainment, that sets the stage for the growth of governments that by their dishonest and criminal behavior create the shame driven despair to latch on to the first superficially different candidate that comes along. The unfortunate truth is, Obama represents no relief.
This recent impulsive and superficial change of focus towards Obama is no revolution, and until a legitimate revolution occurs, America will continue to worsen.
Revolutions don't fall from the trees; nor can you just shake them loose; nor do they come in packages with the big red label "THIS IS YOUR REVOLUTION" taped to them.
The doctrinaire habit has never served any revolutionary ends. It prevents one from noting that someone who totally disagrees with a revolutionary ideal may nonetheless be its carrier; nor does a ruling class even recognize when it begins to be unable to staunch revolution in its own ranks.
A revolutionary figure, as opposed to an actual revolutionary, is one who embodies both thesis and antithesis, as Obama does, both in his personal history & in his ability to energize the most varied people. Hence the befuddlement of many who seem to think of revolution as an undifferentiated or non-contradictory phenomenon.
The Democratic establishment is incapable of pulling off an Obama.
"and the failed economic radicalism of the present administration..."
I sure wish the MSM, and others would start using the word "radical" correctly. "Radical" does NOT mean "extremist"; it is of the same origin as the Spanish word "Raiz" or the English word "radish" - meaning "root" - and signifies "one who seeks the roots of things".
Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush economics aren't "radical", they didn't seek the root of anything in the manner that Marx sought the roots of capitalist economic relations. The proper word for Bush economics is "reactionary".
And as far as Obama's face or other parts of him, I wish there was some radicalism there...
I regularly label Democratic Party supporters "apologists" which may be a misnomer in this case. In this article there is no excuse made for Obama's embrace of imperialism and militarism. No apology is given for Obama's support for war in Afghanistan. No apology is given for his capitulation on the FISA vote he promised to filibuster against nor one for the Wall Street bailout of the fat cats that need it the least.
I take it back, Mark Danner is not a DPA he is a Democratic Party Dupe (DPD).
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Mark Danner a nuclear-powered Obama-fawning, Democratic Party apologist of the highest order. I do think the fuel rods are about spent and running on fumes. Weak.
The radicalism of Barack Obama lies not in his policies but in his face.
-well his "radicalism" certainly doesn't lie in his pro Wall Street, pro-corporate, pro-war and Military Industrial Complex policies.
"wartime president" has brought his War on Terror to a dead end in the bloody stalemate
-yeah right and Obama has a nice record of supporting the war with his votes and plans on continuing it in spite of making dishonest noises to the contrary.
And yet there is the radicalism of that face.
-ignore what he says, ignore his record, just LOOK AT THE FACE. Come on, this is well beyond silly.
Obama's candidacy is in large part a rebellion of the young,
-rebellion? The only rebellion these Gen Xers know is the one they play on video games.
"I could never vote for a Muslim," he went on, smiling apologetically;
-conclusion, only racists oppose Obama, it's not the WAR, FISA, THE BAILOUT!~
"politics of hope."
-or is it "politics of dopes"
Hatred of the young is sure sign of political sclerosis.
Two of the savviest people I know are 20 and 19 years old, intense readers & dreamers looking for a better world than the one they've lived in during the second decade of their lives.. Neither plays video games, both are long on empathy & curiosity.
Every real change starts with belief in possibility & with looking towards new generations.
Who says I hate the young? I have three kids and I'm an elementary school teacher. Most of them are awesome kids but very naive and not sophisticated enough to be able to discern that Obama and the Democrats are frauds and sellouts.
It was this comment,
"-rebellion? The only rebellion these Gen Xers know is the one they play on video games"
-- that is contemptuous.
It's the REAL Generation X'ers, classed by Douglas Coupland in his novel "Generation X", as "those born in the late '50s and early '60s," my generation, that turned out to be naive & unsophisticated.
Listen Saint-Just, I think if you feel naive and unsophisticated you should wear that with pride and see it a healthy sign of introspection. Don't worry about it my friend.
You are right. Kids should not be faulted for being naive, inexperienced, lacking sophistication and supporting Obama. We were all like that at one time. Good call.
If instead of helping the GOP troglodytes by voting for Nader you joined Kucinich and the Progressive Democrats, you would have much better than a 2% chance of getting what you want.
I'm surprised Nader himself doesn't join the Progressive Dems.
Progressive Democrats?? What? huh? Who? I must have slept through The Great Transformation. When did the shills become progressive? What did I miss??
There are many progressive Democrats - it is the DNC/DLC that are the shills. Making enemies of the vast majority of progressives is not a road to success.
"It is not true that it's one damn thing after another - it's one damn thing over and over." Edna St. Vincent Millay
Check them out:
www.pdamerica.org
http://www.democrats.com/
Take the Democratic Party back from the conservatives who stole it.
Really. Kucinich did exactly what the Party apparatus demanded of him. He DELIVERED the anti-war, pro-peace, justice, voters to the altar of the Democratic Party candidate. As for gaving a "much better than a 2% chance of getting what you want" well now, Kucinich supporters have but to look at how the Democratic Party treated Kucinich for daring to run for president. They locked him out of the debates. They got 0%. Touche DPA and DPD folk. More of the same coming your way.
Revolutions don't compromise.
The delusional fools who vote for either Mr. McCain or Mr. Obama will become discussed with the political shame which is our system after Mr. Obama becomes president; but I predict that most will drift back in front of their T.V. to sleep.
They are useful idiots who will never learn to defend their own self interests; because they have no idea what their own self interests are. Most of the voters are dupes, fools and ignorant shills.
...only if Big Brother comes on the TV screen and says, "You may sleep now."
Revolutions don't compromise only when they ARE revolutions. We don't have a revolution at all yet.
Nor do revolutionaries "not compromise" when they're in an exposed position, without any tangible assets, armed only with rhetorical enthusiasm. We have, in America, a political left which has almost entirely eschewed the practice of learning how to handle arms. One of the reasons for the US withdrawal from Vietnam in the early '70s was the realization on the part of the government that they were giving blacks and latinos weapons & tactics training, which some were bringing back into a radicalized political culture.
Revolutionaries have no "self-interests", only political & social interest. Nor do real revolutionaries despise voters as "dupes, fools & ignorant shills", even when they vote ignorantly or against class interest.
Wow, clever puff piece Danner.
Explain his votes: "where $10 billion of US aid now buys the bullets that Pakistani soldiers fire at US special forces hunting a resurgent Taliban and al-Qaeda" on this, or the FISA bill with its spying provisions and his elite bailout; or the bailout of the super rich Wall Street banksters.
You are full of shite, brother.
I thought the title of the article was, "the radical farce of Obama." Once I started reading the article I realized I misread the title.
McNader 2008!!
Hey, how about a compromise?
We vote for Obama and SAVE the country from certain disaster and ruin THIS year...THEN vote for Nader and CHANGE THE SYSTEM to all sunshine and lolipops in 2012?
Baby Steps!!
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
This sounds great. You vote for Obama now, and then in 2012, you vote for Nader. Sounds good to me. Meanwhile, for now, we will keep Mr. Nader's ideals alive by voting for him in 2008.
Come 2012, when you're so afraid of the GOP that you're going to vote for Obama again, I'd like to hear why you changed your mind.
mujeriego October 19th, 2008 6:33 pm
"Hey, how about a compromise?
We vote for Obama and SAVE the country from certain disaster and ruin THIS year...THEN vote for Nader and CHANGE THE SYSTEM to all sunshine and lolipops in 2012?"
Because in 2012 there will be some other earth shattering reason that the Democrats will come up with, just as they do every four years, as to why we just can't vote for Nader this time. Thereby perpetuating the Dem/Repub duopoly.
Lobo Gris
.But that is no compromise, as you are very aware...
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
It seems to me that rejecting Obama would be a continuence of the radical tactics of the last 4 decades. I'd ask, how are those tactics doing for you folks? Lots of success?
Perhaps its time to start some new methods. Especially some that might actually influence people.
Populist is one thing I'm sure Obama is not, eliteists cannot be populists.
.What an odd and unfocussed comment, Mr. More. So have you been looking for radicals under your bed for forty years now? Any appraisal of the last forty years of American history would certainly not use "radical" to characterise them. Of course those on the extreme of politics will always reject the status quo, and those with an ill conceived notion about right and wrong will misrepresent that dissatisfaction as you have attempted here.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Unfocused?
Radicals left and right are the real problem in politics. Unfortunately the radical right has been in charge for 8 years. Enough of that. The radical left is very close to the radical right in their extremism. I always look for extremist. Thay are the most dangerous human beings.
Rejecting the status quo is part of many political geoups. Liberals reject the status quo regularly because we think things can always be done better. A liberal is not a radical in my view. Is it in yours?
Radical does not mean "extremism". It means getting to the roots of things. A conservative is "reactionary" not "rtadical".
I utterly fail to see any genuine radicalism in the US left. Supposedly "radical" policies like nationallized healthcare, abolition of the death penalty, redistributionist social and tax policies and disarmament are perfectly moderate, and mainstram in most of the rest of the world.
Goodness, I frankly don't see how you miss it. Where is it that they are disarming by the way? I've sure missed it.
.Mr.More,
You seem to have an image of American politics that some cannot share and I cannot fathom. Radicalism is present anywhere there are choices yet our governance is far more imperilled by reactionaries than by so-called "radicals"..Can you perhaps expand upon your position, can you name such radicals who have caused great change in this nation's course?
I fear that the term is used more to inspire a knee jerk reaction on the right than to accomplish anything useful .
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Every member of the EU.
In fact, can you name a single member of the industrial world except the US that is curently engaged in a military build up and agression on the scale of the US?
If Obama were an "elitist," he could have parlayed his achievements at Harvard Law into a vastly lucrative & elitist enterprise instead of moving to the Southside of Chicago.
Elitism means that one believes that elites are qualified to run things while the public are fit only to be ruled.
Elitism is a belief that the gifted have privileges & powers that are denied to the non-elites; Obama lacks such a belief & tendentious interpretations of his political acts fall far short of demonstrating that such a belief animates him. I disagree with a number of his votes, but his rationale for those votes is not cynical, but measured & even principled.
You could be right, but he comes from the enviornment of academic elitism, his statement in San Francisco sounds straight out of a college lounge. Granted he could have been pandering to that particular audience. So I don't disagree I may be wrong about elite, but I'm still sure he's no populist.
"Elitism means that one believes that elites are qualified to run things while the public are fit only to be ruled.
Elitism is a belief that the gifted have privileges & powers that are denied to the non-elites"
Quite right. And they soon reveal themselves, don't they.
"The radicalism of Barack Obama lies not in his policies but in his face."
Right, Alan Keyes was such a radical.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes
CD, why publish this BS?
When you think about it--that is a very bizarre statement.
Do they mean because he is black or good looking or young?
This is horseshit. Its a big wet one. It is getting unbelievable.
WHY do Obama supporters feel the need to convince small groups of "other" supporters? Do you really think that it wil throw the election? Are you trying to convince yourself?
Can't talk for others, but I am scared as hell of seeing McCain or Palin in the Oval Office, and cynical enough to believe that it might happen - if diebold can hand the election to McCain with reasonable plausibility, if enough minority voters are disenfranchised, or if the American electorate is dull enought to vote for yet another shitload of epic failure because they are scared of evil uppity latte-drinking homosexual abortionists or whatnot.
Besides, you have not even tried to answer how voting for a third-party candidate is going to help the progressive cause. Do you really believe that anyone will give a damn about third-party voters? That it will somehow register in Washington as a statement against the establishment? Americans love winners. Nobody cares about people who can't win an election. If Obama wins, you have achieved nothing. If McCain grabs the election, you have invited disaster.
Voting for the best possible outcome (or the least disastrous possible outcome) is the only rational thing to do. It doesn't matter if Nader has better policies than Obama. An Obama presidency is possible, a Nader presidency is not. It's a fantasy, it's wishful thinking. And the idea of enabling the most extreme right-wing nutjobs in the GOP for yet another term is unbearable. I would chose fact over fantasy any time.
Manifold October 19th, 2008 10:31 pm
"If Obama wins, you have achieved nothing. If McCain grabs the election, you have invited disaster. Can't talk for others, but I am scared as hell of seeing McCain or Palin in the Oval Office, and cynical enough to believe that it might happen"
So in your opinion I should vote how you want me to since it will achieve nothing for me, but it will assuage your fear. No thanks, I will vote my conscience, independent/third party and you will have to deal with your fear on your own.
Lobo Gris
I did not say I was voting for a Third Party.
It is neither her nor there. Obama has plenty of supporters. Why does it seem so essential to you that anyone who cannot vote for him be "proven" to be at fault?
The GOP must love taht you demonize people in your own "party" who think that it is their responsibility to criticize a candidate they think is going to take the uS down a very similar road.
Everyone belives they are right .
Some of us are...
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"Follow those who seek the truth. Run from those who claim they have found it." Anon.
Excuse me, is there any substance in your comment that i missed?
.Your way represents an unimaginative and cowardly view of what is possible. Your way leads to more of the same.
It is, as Shaw noted, the unreasonable man upon whom we all depend.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
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in this article, danner refers to obama as as a populist. populism is generally thought to have a strong economic component...an economic approach that benefits the common man. for me, obama's SF speech was the first warning that he may not be the progressive that many thought him to be. he included those who opposed "free" trade with the gun and bible toters who were bitter and were having a hard time adjusting to modernity. then...furman and rubin as economic advisers. didn't he also cast a vote against a bill that would have knocked back usurious credit card interest rates? then his active campaigning for a bill that would allow hank paulson to bail out the bad bets of his banker buddies.
obama may be relatively popular. that doesn't make him a populist.
Yes he did vote against capping interest rates at 35%. He felt that would hurt "business." Who it hurts is the working poor. It was a betrayal among many.
I have been amazed at the lack of knowledge many Obama supporter have about their candidate. My wife received a call last week from the Obama campaign. She told the caller that Obama had voted for all the funding bills that enabled our government to illegally kill 1.3 million Iraqi human beings - mostly children. The caller said, "Oh no. He voted against the war in the first place, and the funding votes were to keep troops safe." ABSOLUTELY FALSE. She would not listen to me.
The other experience I had was at an Obama booth at a political rally. When I talked about Obama's votes, the volunteer in the booth said Obama never voted for the funding! I was dumbfounded. I mentioned this to the other volunteer who set the women straight. They don't even educate their volunteers and these Obama supporters didn't even have the wisdom to check the record of their candidate! It's like religion.
Now, if an Obama campaign worker doesn't know that Obama was not even in the Senate at the time, I suspect that maybe some commenting here need a lesson or two. Not all, but certainly some.
It is THE 'thing to do". It gives you a built in peer group. It makes some people feel that they can relate to their kids. It makes some feel young again. Some think he is JFK--who furthered the war in Vietnam, but, because he died young, has been practically called a Prince of Peace. Of course, none of them had to fight in Vietnam. And their kids and grand kids wont fight ANY of these gd wars.
I think it also makes people "feel good" (remember the "early voters" last week?), and, feel "progressive"...why? his face.
They said it--I just repeated it.
Also, there are the inaugeral balls, the Nation cruise, etc.
In the forest God met the Stag-beetle. "Hold! Worship me!" quoth God. "For I am the All-Great, All-Good, All-Wise...The stars are but sparkles from the forges of My smiths..."
"Yea, verily and Amen," said the Stag-beetle, "all this I do believe, and that devoutly."
"Then why do you not worship me?"
"Because I am real, and you are only imaginary."
But the leaves of the forest rustled with the laughter of the wind.
Said Wind and Wood: "They neither of them know anything!"
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Anyone who supports Barack Obama has to ask themselves the following questions.
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for wanting to raise the Pentagon budget?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for not supporting single-payer healthcare?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for voting for F.I.S.A?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for supporting Joe Lieberman?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for supporting the war in Iraq?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for wanting to escalate the war in Afghanistan?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for wanting to invade Pakistan?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for wanting to invade Iran?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for barely mentioning torture?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for not mentioning the poor and the working poor?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for supporting the $850 billion Wall Street bailout?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for not mentioning corporate welfare -- corporate welfare averaging BEFORE the $850 billion bailout $125 billion per year.
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for supporting companies like Wal-Mart's?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for taking millions of dollars from Corporate America?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for supporting Henry Paulson, the former head of Goldman-Sachs; or Robert Gates, the current Secretary of Defense?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for voting for the Patriot Act as well as the reauthorization of the Patriot Act?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for supporting the bankruptcy bill, a bill that punitively affects the average wage earner?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for supporting an increase in the US military presence throughout the world?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for taking impeachment off the table?
The answer to ALL these questions is the same .. BECAUSE OBAMA IS DOING THE SAME THING!
VOTE NADER/GONZALEZ 2008…
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there is only ONE question to be asked...Do you want McCain and 4 more years of the Same?
If you answer YES, then vote for either McCain or Nader. Doesn't matter which one.
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
"there is only ONE question to be asked...Do you want McCain and 4 more years of the Same?...."
The above is truly a moronic post, a perfect reflection of the Democratic voter's mindset. The only thing about it that has any value is the Keats quote at the end, which has nothing to do with the post. The poster put more thought into choosing his "sig file" than into what he says.
A poster who says something this dumb -- "there is only ONE question to be asked...(blah blah blah)" shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.
Here for example are "other" questions that could be asked -- though Mr mujeriego denies there could possibly be any other questions: How is it that once again, with a population that's increasingly antiwar, we have only a choice between two pro-war candidates? How is it that once again, with a population increasingly aware of the crimes of Wall St, we have only a choice between two solidly corporatist candidates?
mujeriego,
Can you quote anybody else or is Keats the only thing you know? Can you come up with your own catchy phrase that lends your conventional, in the box, stay-the-course, vote for the other party that is selling out rhetoric an air of "profoundness"? Is that all you got?
Muriego,
Why do you use this particular Keats quote at the end of your posts. It seems so out of place.
Perdon, I meant Mujeriego.
Answer this: If those of us who refuse to vote for the Democrat simply went away and never tried to be a voice at the ballot box, would that serve the purpose you are looking for? Are you wanting Democracy or not?
Remember, many of us have made personal pledges "Not to vote or support anyone who continued to fund the war on Iraqis" - that has taken the lives of 1.3 million innocent people, mostly children. We will not change our minds and vote for someone who made that happen, so we either don't vote or we vote for Nader, who would never kill for corporate empire. We have a One-Party system, but a vote for Nader is a collective voice saying, "We have drawn this line, now, not in 8 years, not in 16 years." If you don't like it, change the system. The Democrats have always blocked IRV? Why? Look around.
If the election is fair, Obama will win. But my vote will register and it will say: I have drawn a line and will only vote for someone who represents the people, not the corporations. If it weren't for all the killings, I might have given my vote to Obama. Even the spying I could have swallowed. I've seen pictures of the blown apart children. Call me a "purist" if that makes it easier for you.
Sorry, that's the way it's going to be from now on. So, you'd better whip your Democrats into shape. (as if)
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you passed!
Anyone who doesnt see this article for the romantic, corny claptrap that it is is too in love with Obama and shoudl not be able to vote.
If some of you REALLY want an Obama presidency to succeed, then stop buying into this "transcendental" stuff!! He is just a really smart, sophisticated guy! He's applying for a job!
He is a fairly green lawyer. The Senate is full of them.
These articles are getting too dangerously close to saying that if you dont support Obama, you MUST be a racist.
This does a disservice to all "progressives", and misleads his supporters.
Is there racism in the uS? Of Course!! Is this a "historical " nomination -- yes! But, it does not follow that anyone who prefers someone else (especially someone MORE progerssive() is a racist. It is highly insulting and just pisses people like me off. I am mostly referring to some of the posts.
Obama will almost certainly win this. And, the decision will not rest on the few non-supporters who are here. But, if you make it ONLY about race, you are setting Obama up for a huge amount of hell.
He says that , among Dems, he doesnt think that it is , for the most part, about race. Michelle says it. He says that he doesnt trranscend race. But writers continue to insist on it. How can he possibly succeed with the standards you set, which are not the standards for a job of president? He is nor responsible for US race problems nor solving them.
It is alot easier to say "well I voted for the Af Am onc e" than to fix the real problems of most racial division in this country. Alot has to do with inequality and poverty. I hear NO ONE addrsesing that.
The short answer is: Because he wants to win; because no amount of criticizing will change anything if it leads to a McCain victory. Because Obama must avoid any semblance of radicalism and left-wing ideology in order to get elected - you know full well what kind of smear campaign the republicans and their media minions would start if he bends a little too far from so-called "mainstream" positions.
Honestly. This man is not a messiah. He is not Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders or Ralph Nader. But he's a decent man with empathy and conscience and courage and understanding, who actually has a chance to win the White House, and he is the single best chance Amerika has to rejoin the world and clean up the toxic mess of eight years of Bush.
Besides, he did criticize McCain for supporting the war in Iraq. And he did criticise McCain for wanting to bomb Iran.