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The Radical Face of Obama
A Fateful Election
Panning across the faces of the country's leaders gathered in the Cabinet Room to confront the "financial crisis" in late September, the camera's eye moves from the President-looking tired, shrunken, desiccated-to his Treasury secretary and other powerful advisers, and then slowly makes its way down and around the long Cabinet table, trailing over the familiar waxen features of the barons of the Senate and the House, lingering for a moment on the self-consciously resolute face of the white-haired Senator John McCain, and finally reaches the table's end where it settles at last on the figure of a lean, solitary black man slumped in his seat. He seems relaxed, composed, self-contained-and strikingly, powerfully isolated. In how many such rooms holding how many such powerful people in the recent and distant past has his been the only black face?
The radicalism of Barack Obama lies not in his policies but in his face. It is a radicalism not just of color but of emergence, for scarcely a year ago that face was utterly unknown to the overwhelming majority of Americans. Not since Jimmy Carter in 1976 has a major party put forward as nominee a candidate so little known to the country. Just as the obscure one-term governor from Georgia owed his victory to the intertwined disasters of Vietnam and Watergate and the profound crisis of legitimacy they brought in train, so Obama as national political phenomenon was born of the Iraq War, the War on Terror, and the failed economic radicalism of the present administration.
Obama has arisen out of a plain of scorched earth, a longed-for rebirth at the logical limit of an exhausted politics. Seven years after September 11 the "wartime president" has brought his War on Terror to a dead end in the bloody stalemate in Iraq, where American dollars now fund both the Iranian-allied Shiite government and the former Baathist insurgents, and on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, where $10 billion of US aid now buys the bullets that Pakistani soldiers fire at US special forces hunting a resurgent Taliban and al-Qaeda. At home the President turned huge surpluses into vast deficits, more than doubling the national debt, and pushed the deregulatory zeal of the Reagan administration into a frightening near-collapse of the entire financial system.
This astonishing record has made the only president brought to power by the Supreme Court the most unpopular since modern polling began, leading more than eight Americans in ten to conclude that the country is "on the wrong track" and millions to change their party identification from Republican to Democrat.
Obama's miraculous rise is inexplicable without that shrunken pale figure in the Cabinet Room, whose waning shadow still looms over this election. Though Obama evokes the theme of a new bipartisanship with great eloquence and power, he promises the bounties of a traditional Democrat: a middle-class tax cut, health care for nearly everyone, investments in roads and bridges, money for early childhood education and job training. Behind the eloquently intoned mantra of a new politics of hope lies a movement fueled by a deep-seated sense of rebellion-against "politics as usual," against "experience" as a political value (and the older generation that holds it as such), against "Washington" and all the evils that that word evokes. His populism is brilliantly engineered and inspiring in its eloquence-and, for all that, in its essence deeply familiar.
And yet there is the radicalism of that face. It supplies the obvious answer to the obvious conundrum of this election: Why, given "the fundamentals"-the historic unpopularity of the incumbent party and the tottering economy, which should make certain an opposition landslide-is the contest so close? What differs here, and differs profoundly, is the unspoken centrality of race, the ancient sinful fulcrum of American politics. As Lyndon Johnson foresaw, the Democrats' belated championing of the civil rights revolution of the mid-1960s, in moving the "solid South" from Democrat to Republican hands, enabled the Republicans to dominate the White House for two generations. After 1968, Republicans won seven in ten presidential elections. (Before it, Democrats had won seven of ten.)
It is no accident that the largest single polling disparity between McCain and Obama voters, apart from race itself, is age. Obama's candidacy is in large part a rebellion of the young, for whom race has much less saliency, and one of the great indeterminacies of the election is how many young people will turn out to vote. Another is whether the increase in those who will vote for Obama in part because of his race-most notably, African-Americans, who are registering in large numbers-will offset or exceed those who will vote against him in part for the same reason. This immensely complex question, which goes far beyond the debate over the so-called "Bradley Effect" (the disparity between what voters tell pollsters and what they actually do in the voting booth), turns at its heart on whether race can be used effectively as a kind of "ignition switch" to make of Obama, for a critical subset of voters in a handful of critical states, a figure too culturally "different" and "foreign" and "elite" to seem in the end a plausible leader.
The potential is certainly there, for one sees persistent signs of it in everyday life. "I could never vote for Obama"-I've heard variations of this line a great many times over the last few weeks, most recently from a waiter who noticed me paging through the newspaper's political coverage. "I could never vote for a Muslim," he went on, smiling apologetically; and what struck me about the ensuing exchange was my inability to convince this man, whom I've known for years, that Obama is Christian-"He only converted when he was twelve," he insisted-or that he hadn't "changed his position, on everything, almost every day." Whether or not such disinformation is planted or actively encouraged, and however much its persistence might owe to race, it is clear that it flows like a subterranean stream through much of the country and the extent and depth of that stream are impossible to quantify.
What is not in doubt is that this substratum of concern or discomfort about race, and complementary worries about Obama as a foreigner or outsider for whom a vote would thus become a perilous gamble, have provided a prime target for Republican political and media operatives. Their delicate task in the weeks ahead will be to blend race with more traditional Republican "hot-button" "culture war" themes-worries about patriotism, elitism, sex education, abortion, gay marriage-and construct out of this mix a series of potent images and symbols intended to peel off from the Democratic coalition so-called "Reagan Democrats," conservative, often "ethnic" urban and suburban working- and middle-class voters.
Voters in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Colorado and a handful of other states will likely hear much about Reverend Wright and his call to "God Damn America!" and about Senator Obama's supposed support for "teaching kindergartners about sex before we teach them to read." These thirty-second pieces of political art, whether produced by the McCain campaign itself, the Republican National Committee, or "independent" groups, will be aimed at a subset of the 12 percent or so of voters who remain undecided, and are intended to lower the numbers of those who say they look positively on Obama and "identify" with his "values and background"-numbers that, as I write, have been declining even as the candidate's national numbers are rising.
That such ads will be denounced as distortions and lies will not necessarily blunt their effectiveness, for they are directed at a narrow audience that tends to distrust or ignore the "mainstream media." They work, when they do work, according to a logic of powerful symbols and images which tend to overwhelm facts, particularly when those facts come from a world of reporters and commentators viewed as inherently biased and "elite." And they are directed at an audience-the so-called "beer-drinking" or "lunch-pail" Democrats-which, having largely favored Hillary Clinton in the primaries, especially in the critical old industrial states of the Midwest that Obama lost, may be more than usually receptive to their appeal.
Whether or not John McCain's campaign will be able to exploit this vulnerability turns on whether, among these several million critical voters, fear of an unfamiliar African-American "elitist" can be made to overwhelm fear of an extension of Republican governance that few can now doubt has proved catastrophic for the country. Obama has hammered away on the latter theme, declaring at every opportunity that "the country cannot afford four more years of the same Bush policies"-and then the financial crisis, striking like a bolt of lightning, illuminated for all to see the ruins of the economic landscape. McCain, who has been struggling to present himself as a populist (and, implicitly, anti-Bush) "maverick" who would lead the country on a very different course, understood the danger the crisis posed for him but fumbled badly in his attempt to exploit it. Even as Republicans unleash a new onslaught designed to increase his opponent's "negatives," McCain must somehow make his "maverick" argument credible, not least by joining it to a positive economic vision for the country; only thus is he likely to persuade enough voters who are disgusted with Republican policies and deeply worried about the economy-but who still fear, or can be made to fear, a President Obama.
It is a truism that given the political "fundamentals"-the anger at Bush, the fear of hard times, the disquiet over the country's direction-the election this year should bring overwhelming Democratic victory. Perhaps, given the vast increases in voter registration and the shift in party identification, that is precisely what will happen. But we are beyond models here. It is the very unpopularity of Bush and the atmosphere of profound disillusion and crisis that helped produce a Democratic challenger whose election-however remarkable his talents, however stirring his eloquence, however bright his promise-would constitute a true revolution. That this is so stems from the unspoken shame of American politics. That that shame might finally be overcome is perhaps the most precious promise of the "politics of hope."



161 Comments so far
Show AllLittle Brother, a recent book by Paul Street supports your idea. Called Barack Obama and the Future of American Politics, it completely debunks the idea that Obama is some kind of progressive, transformational figure. His policies and his rhetoric show the precise opposite--he is a corporate, militarist Democrat. Bravo for your post!!!
P.S. I doubt he will have a single (true) progressive in his cabinet.
The fact that Colin Powell just endorsed him is another testament to his radical nature?
The shame of American politics is the shame of America. We have failed in living up to the potential that is expected. Our political, economic and social institutions are now serving the needs of corporate America who now use these institutions to divide and conquer. Can Obama be divided from the people of America? Or has he already?
Hoa binh
How right you are. We had the chance to be truly great and in the end simply acted like every other empire in human history. While there is no surprise at all in this, it should also be remembered that the opportunity came and has now gone forever. From now on, the United States will simply be trying to keep its nose above water.
If McCain comes even close to winning (in the current context), more than anything else it will signify the end of "journalism" as we know it. It will be a vote based on myths that the Media should have thoroughly debunked but instead let stand and even repeated ad nauseum, such as Obama's "pallin around with terrorists," or Obama's a muslim (now a pejorative) or McCain's ongoing lie that Obama "will raise your taxes," etc., etc.
In this campaign, more than any other in my lifetime, there has been a totally irresponsible use of invective---especially by Sarah Palin---literally for the purpose of generating hysteria, paranoia, and hate, and the Media in general have been avid stenographers, in essence complicit in this wave of exploitation of ignorance and fear.
I am truly ashamed of my former profession and profoundly disgusted by it. Where is Edward R. Murrow when we need him? Or even Woodward & Bernstein (this time before the fact...).
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McCain/Palin's job, besides the remote possibility of winning, is to strike fear into progressive voters. Mission accomplished! Do you think it's going to get better by continuing to follow around the Democrats, who follow along the corporatists? When would you draw the line. Ever? What the candidates just get worse and worse? (as is the case. Nixon was to the left of present day Obama.)
McCain/Palin's job, besides the remote possibility and maybe even hope of winning, is to strike fear into progressive voters. Mission accomplished! Do you think it's going to get better with your strategy of follow around the corporate Democrats? Make war on innocent people? Does this aversion of mine to the killings make me a delusional purist?
I'm curious: What exactly would prompt you draw line and stop voting for Democrats? What would cause you to turn away? Will you never draw one as long as the other candidate is a bit worse? Earlier this year, Howard Zinn said that the Republican Party is only slightly to the right of Obama! What if, by the next election, the parties have moved to the right, as it most certainly will and faithfully has done so in the past? Do you hold tight to your strategy or break away? To make my point, Nixon was to the left of present day Obama.
A couple of them died from lung cancer, if I remember correctly.
I wish teh Congress had had the balls to make the tobacco cos. come out with the truth in time to help some people quit. I wish we had health insurance taht would cover nicotine patches, drugs that help ,etc.
They STILL subsidize tobacco...
You guys are being too literal.
This election is no longer about who's proposeing what foreign or domestic policy, or what bill they did or didn't vote for in Congress.
What this essay does is point out the truth and power of visual "symbol"-
and the mystifying and terrifying power of propaganda.
And, tragically, many Americans WILL vote on looks alone.
I really think we have to understand that and analyze that carefully in order to know how to move a true progressive agenda forward.
We have to have a dialogue about race in this country.
I'm damn well tired of seeing tired, old white men making all of the decisions.
I've been working for well over four decades with grassroots groups dedicated to social change, so don't call me an armchair activist.
I'm willing to give Obama a chance. The other options- being realistic now- are just too horrifying. I want my vote going to someone with a chance of winning.
A McCain/Palin win is a disaster on a far, far deeper level than if Obama wins.
"the mystifying and terrifying power of propaganda"
It seems that is so true these days.
Don't make the mistake of engaging.
Their whole point came down to the ol' I wanna back someone "with a chance of winning" B.S.
No question as to WHY certain candidates have a "chance" and others don't.
Nothing about the free air time the Corporate Media gives the Corporatist parties.
Nothing about the Corporatist parties' rigging of the electoral game.
Nothing about why Obama has a "chance" even according to the script: His LEFT appeal during the Internal Democratic Party Nominee Elections ("Primaries") -which he promptly tossed in the gutter after securing Nomination!
This Article does the same kind of thing. The last line I bothered truly reading was the crap about the "real Democrat" program that Obama is for -basically tax-CUTS and a whole-lot of spending.
In what universe is that a Democrat platform?
What because of the "middle-" class part? A "middle"-class that makes up to a quarter-mil a year when the MEDIAN wage is in the $40,000 -range?
I mean, that's a joke right?
This is a REAGAN kind of platform! Tax-cuts galore, vague promises for social programs, further bloat of the military budget, a "war on terror" that is transparently Imperial Agression -hell there's even "STAR WARS" come back to life for pete's sake!
Both these quotes represent an assault on history and Memory itself.
They avow a completely floating logic from their cage in a kind of Autocracy of the Mind.
The most disturbing thing is that some of the people in this Autocracy believe they are "Progressive" -as if Progress did not by definition REQUIRE a rigorous understanding and employement of History and Memory!
Some times I think that this country won't really wake up until there is a large enough minority that can no longer afford a TV to make some waves.
Don't Panic,
-matti.
Obama may "win", but he won't be deciding anything. The same tired old white guys will still be in charge. Obama knows for whom he works, the globalist New World Order. He is the neolib "carrot" to the neocon "stick" moving the gullible toward a One-World fascist Corporatocracy. Notice how the "world leaders" and their financial institutions are openly discussing a new "world monetary system"?? Get ready for the North American Union--goodbye to any voice of We the People, although that has been pretty much trashed already. The plan for Internet II, in readiness to be launched, will put the final nail in that coffin.
How can any sane person put "Hope" in a candidate who basically follows in lockstep with the DNC, Pelosi and the rest of that despicable sell-out crowd--twisting arms to get approval for The Great Bankers' Heist, campaigning FOR people like Joe Lieberman and AGAINST other anti-war candidates, F.I.S.A., the list goes on ad nauseum. Look and research who his campaign advisors are. Why is it that so many people cannot smell a rat. "Realpolitik" is a tool of the elites. "Realpolitik" is the excuse that too many use to undermine their own best interests as well as the interests of others. I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect that Obama will be even more destructive than our last "black" president, Bill Clinton. And the Neocons, will still be there waiting to take their turns at swinging the hammer. Enabling has to stop somewhere. Who really wants to continue as a co-dependent of this sick and degrading system??
O'Bama will have to hurl bombs into Iran to re-capture his relevancy and legacy as the masters of the universe re-define them.
.Naaaah,
Iran has a one million man modernised army. Obama will stick to killing folks in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
A McCain/Palin win is a disaster on a far, far deeper level than if Obama wins.
True that.
Sioux Rose
RICH M: As usual incisive analysis.
LITTLE BROTHER: Yesterday I had a rendezvous with an old flame who's a retired lawyer and he couldn't remember a word. I figure I'd ask in this forum, as a lot of my fellow commondreamers are quite well read. The elusive word (I think it's French?) represents the phenomenon wherein you notice something (for the apparent first time) and then IT seems to be everywhere, almost operating as a visual echo. (Not deja vu.) I wonder if you know what he was referring to? (I like beating Mr. Attorney at his own game. He's a kick ass chess player.)
It seems to be known as the Baader-Meinhof-Phenomenon (named after a German group of domestic terrorists (why am i not surprised about this)):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baader-Meinhof_phenomenon
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I’ll say it again…
We needed Ralph Nader as President in 2000.
We needed Ralph Nader as President in 2004.
We NEED Ralph Nader as President in 2008.
Never before as we do now
http://www.votenader.org/index.html
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v.purto
FYI:
There are no supreme saviours
Neither God, nor Caesar, nor tribune.
Or, if you will:
No one will grant us deliverance,
No God, no Tsar, no hero.
We will win our liberation,
With our very own hands
It'll never happen. Get the fuck over it already.
Get OVER it BEFORE it occurs?
What an interesting psychosis you suffer from.
It will be interesting to watch the process over the next few years as millions of Obama supporters will become disillusioned and heartbroken when their savior turns out to be a Republican neo-con in disguise. I went through this process with Bill Clinton in '94-'95. I stopped blindly believing that Democrats are progressives or care about US. I realized that in order to get a progressive majority, it is MANDATORY to actually vote for progressive candidates. I believe that millions of americans will become quickly disillusioned with this horrible human being and his disgusting neo-con policies in foreign, economic and domestic spheres. It's too bad it can't happen BEFORE the election; perhaps they will finally grow up and start supporting real progressives, and give up on incremental changes, tinkering with a broken system, rather than the huge structural reforms that are needed. When I read that Obama has extorted $650 MILLION dollars that could have been used for things we actually need simply to finance his bid to be "President", it disgusts me.
I am sure you would be just as disillusioned and heartbroken by Mr. Nader if he were to be elected. That is if he did what was necessary to get elected. Compromise. One need not compromise if one cannot get elected.
I know, I have been told here on cd that it is not about Mr. Nader or any other progressive candidate getting elected but rather about voting against the idea of lesser evils. (Your uncompromising high moral standing) As an ourside observer it appears to me that many here are more interested in seeing Senator Obama lose than in who actually wins. If Obama loses you will have McCain. I guess that is what you would call a "progressive" victory.
" I believe that millions of americans will become quickly disillusioned with this horrible human being and his disgusting neo-con policies in foreign, economic and domestic spheres" (progressiveparty October 19th, 2008 3:13 pm)
I assume you are referring to Senator Barack Obama. ("Horrible human being") Here you sound like someone attending a Palin rally. I rest my case.
"I stopped blindly believing that Democrats are progressives or care about US. I realized that in order to get a progressive majority, it is MANDATORY to actually vote for progressive candidates."(progressiveparty October 19th, 2008 3:13 pm)
What? You expect to build a "progressive" majority by voting for candidates every four years without actually building up an organisation between election cycles? Wishful thinking will not produce viable competitive third party options. It takes years of hard work.
Are you sure that you are not really a McCain/Palin supporter?
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http://www.votenader.org/issues/
VOTE NADER 2008… You’ll be glad you did and so will I…
single payer national health insurance:
Nader: On the table; Obama/McCain: Off the table
Cut the huge, bloated, wasteful military budget:
Nader: On the table; Obama/McCain: Off the table
No to nuclear power, solar energy first:
Nader: On the table; Obama/McCain: Off the table
Aggressive crackdown on corporate crime and corporate welfare:
Nader: On the table; Obama/McCain: Off the table
Open up the Presidential debates:
Nader: On the table; Obama/McCain: Off the table
Adopt a carbon pollution tax:
Nader: On the table; Obama/McCain: Off the table
Reverse U.S. policy in the Middle East:
Nader: On the table; Obama/McCain: Off the table
Impeach Bush/Cheney:
Nader: On the table; Obama/McCain: Off the table
Repeal the Taft-Hartley anti-union law:
Nader: On the table; Obama/McCain: Off the table
Adopt a Wall Street securities speculation tax:
Nader: On the table; Obama/McCain: Off the table
Put an end to ballot access obstructionism:
Nader: On the table; Obama/McCain: Off the table
Work to end corporate personhood:
Nader: On the table; Obama/McCain: Off the table
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v.purto
FYI:
There are no supreme saviours
Neither God, nor Caesar, nor tribune.
Or, if you will:
No one will grant us deliverance,
No God, no Tsar, no hero.
We will win our liberation,
With our very own hands
Hey Dante....if they turn out not to be McCain/Palin supporters, ask them how successful these tactics have been over the last four decades.
Thanks for the sanity.
Thomas,
I am afraid to ask that question. Remember the guy who reported that this was a way of statistically measuring voter discontent? I believe I told him to conduct a poll or refer to those already in existence. LOL I am afraid he will show up again and come up with something else just as ridicules. I can't take anymore of this BS.(lol)
"ask them how successful these tactics have been over the last four decades." (Thomas)
That really worked out just fine if the goal was to compile statistical data related to the cutting off of one's nose to spite one's face but it sure has not worked in electing a President. Maybe after two generations of showing up at the polls and voting for guys running for President who can't win you (Those who claim to be progressives)could change course a little bit and use the next generation or two to actually build a party.
This is my opinion. Many here are not united by progressive ideals but rather by a regressive anti-Obama agenda.
v.purto
Cannot agree with Dante more. Without real third party, not a single hero a la Nader or what have you, any fundamental change is unthinkable. As they sung once upon a time:
There are no supreme saviours
Neither God, nor Caesar, nor tribune.
Or, if you will:
No one will grant us deliverance,
No God, no Tsar, no hero.
We will win our liberation,
With our very own hands
jesse ventura won the governorship of minnesota w/o the independent party having a strong built-up organizational base. he was allowed into the debates and showed up the chicken-hawk norm coleman and the bland dem h. humpherey jr. the presidential debate commission is controlled by the dems and repubs. they don't allow opposing views into the debate. u call this a democracy? what if ralph had been allowed into the presidential debate that took place during the congressional votes on the bailout? u don't think his polling numbers would have shot up big time? we're being screwed by bankers and their enabling political duopoly in washington. yeah, obama is smart. but the smarts that are needed to allow one to rise to power in this corrupt system may not be the smarts that are needed to change it.
Whoever wrote the comment "horrible human being" doesn't understand the insidiousness of human nature. Obama isn't "horrible." He does horrible things. It's human nature and maybe I'd do those things if I had his experiences, his chance to be president! That's why we voters absolutely have to draw the line. Otherwise, let's just throw out the constitution, our laws. Barack Obama votes against our constitutional rights and against the rights of the hapless, weaker citizens of this world. Yes, he behaves in a despicable manner but he's not the only one to blame. It's us. "It's the voters, stupid." The voters enable evil, just like Obama enables evil. We must be example for him. Why give him the ok to do the things he's doing? Would you rather that we independents and smaller parties - who are fed up - would just disappear, go away and let the One-Party have it all - with no pressure whatsoever, besides a little useless begging? I believe we Nader supporters are doing the system a favor. The natives are restless! Is our message.
If what you are saying is true - and don't forget that by saying it, over and over again, like a burning tool, it assures that it will be true - we are doomed as voters, we are doomed as a democracy because we've allowed the One-Party system to herd us all into the corner of their choosing, where they can keep a watchful eye on us (thanks Obama for that FISA vote).
If this was something new, I could understand your "lesser evilism" strategy, but it's not new. And it's only getting worse - in part, due to the strategy. They know you are trapped. This is why corporations now rule what was once an evolving democracy. And if you don't think this is not by design, you are gullible, indeed. After the mid-terms, many of you Obama supporters vowed to never again be snookered, yet ... here you are, snookered again, by design.
What will you do if McCain wins because Nader ended up with enough votes to cause Obama to lose?
Will you help build another, more democratic party? At last? Where have you been, by the way? Will you become a Green? My fear is that the left could be further divided - again, by design. "Obama never got the chance!" You may be tempted to turn your disappointment to anger, directed at us independent voters (the "purists who don't have the stomach for all the killings and spying), rather than towards the One-Party's strategy - forcing this situation on us, against our wills and fomenting divisions. Will you become even stronger Democrats, as a result?
Will you then force your representatives to bend to the will of the people and change our winner take all voting system? If so, how will you apply this "force" of yours? Activists have been trying to do that for decades. The One-Party says "no way." And because you will not vote for anyone but a Dem, you might as well quit trying. We don't have that long. They don't respond to wishing and begging. You have to refuse to vote for them. If enough of us do that, it may cause them to throw some better bones our way. If we all follow your strategy "lesser of evils," forget it. We won't be taken seriously. Corporatists don't respond to down-on-your knees begging - it only makes us shorter and them taller and stronger.
So, will you end your strategy of begging/enabling the "lesser evil" and take on the corporatists themselves, in their controlled One-Party arena? Will you work to "take over" the corporatists from the bottom up? Hob-nobbing around with the big guys, playing by their rules for decades, until you've been thoroughly vetted. Has that proven to be a useful strategy? Remember the One-Party has the money, power, and weapons. They will kick you down before you get to the first rung.
Arundhati Roy says: Why play their game, where they make all the rules and have all the power? Design your own game! If by your "take over" strategy, you get to higher rungs of power, probably you've already sold out. And because the One-Party corporatists are way ahead of the voters, there will always be another seemingly terrifying opponent to frighten us back. Darn. I guess we'll just have to get comfortable in this big pen, like a herd of prey animals. Will you become a "Corporation Whisperer?"
Because support for Obama is much greater than was support for Gore in 2000, and Nader's small percentage did not cost Gore that election, I would be surprised if Nader had any influence. Still, it's worth a ponder and we should be ready for it. My hope is that we remain united. We all want peace, justice for our brothers and sisters across this ailing planet. The worst outcome would be that the progressive left is further divided. Let's not let them do that to us! We need to make a pledge to be civil to other well meaning progressives who disagree with us. Getting a little hot under the collar is fine, but let's refrain from meanness and name calling. It is counter-productive. I suspect it comes from trolls.
Whatever the outcome, we need to remain united. Both Obama voters and Nader voters serve a purpose.
amen, brother
"Whatever the outcome, we need to remain united. Both Obama voters and Nader voters serve a purpose."
Hank,
From the outside looking in I don't believe that the Nader vote will have any impact whatsoever on the outcome of next months presidential election. In other words McCain or Obama will not win or lose due to any third party voting patterns in November. You are going to vote for who you are going to vote for. It is as simple as that.
In the rest of the world (where I live) we are more interested in seeing the end of the Bush reign of terror. We see Senator Obama as a [symbol] of hope. The beginning of change although perhaps not change itself. Will the Democratic party do any better? We are pragmatic on that question in that we believe they will but if not they cannot do any worse. We know that the Republicians on the other hand, who are largely influenced by extreme right wing elements in your society would be a disaster for both the United States and the international community in general. We are hoping for stability not a savior. We believe that Senator Obama will represent the beginning of a renewed positive relationship between the United States and the international community. This relationship is very important to us.
What I questioned Hank was the reasoning for voting third party at this critical point in our shared history and not your right to vote your conscience. Many of you were kind enough to respond with your reasons for doing so.
Good government is a process. At times a messy and unpredictable process where the outcomes are never predictable. "Politics is the skillful use of blunt tools." (Lester Pearson. Prime Minister of Canada 1960's)
Thank You Hank for your response.
.Actually a Nader Presidency would be a more disappointing experience if only because there would be no cooperation with Congress at all. But that is not why we vote for Nader ( sorry to speak for everyone) and, if you think really ,really hard, you may begin to understand those reasons. Better yet, wait a bit and watch the Presidency of Barack Obama unfold to fully understand why we vote for Ralph.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
There are many reasons to vote for Nader. Maybe the most compelling one is that he would immediately save 18,000 lives that are lost every year because of lack of access to health care.
Nader supports Single Payer. McCain/Obama support insurance companies.
I voted for Nadar in 2000, but only because I lived in a state that was deep blue. You don't change the system from the top down, you change it from the bottom up. Nadar has a snowball's chance in Hell of ever being elected president, no matter how many times he runs. I don't know why so many people that post here think he has a chance.
If you think your vote is sending a statement, you're right. That you're nuts. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. Take that enthusiasm for Nadar, and any donations you may sending him, and give it all to your local Green Party candidates if you want to make a difference.
Start by electing local officials that are progressives. Until you change the makeup of governorships and state houses, you'll never see the Senate, the House and the White House become progressive governing bodies. The only other way to effect that kind of change would be a revolution, and the American people are currently too self-absorbed to do that.
Vote for Obama, if for no other reason than that if McCain gets in, The Supreme Court goes totally to the extreme right. Appointing judges just might be the President's single most important function. If you think that a Democratic Senate is going to prevent that, you're deluding yourselves. Deals will be cut no matter who is in power.
Yes! the Supreme Court!
And, yes, work from the grassroots up...
But remember: Elections can be close. Gregoire won the governorship here in WA by 133 votes.
If you're sure your state is Blue you might vote for a third party candidate.
But if your state goes for McCain won't you feel complicit?
And there is a ferocious effort underway to disenfranchise voters and manipulate e-voting systems...
So beware.
Anyway, Zinn has nailed it:
The Progressive March 2008 Issue
http://www.truthout.org/article/howard-zinn-election-madness
"I'm not taking some ultra-left position that elections are totally insignificant, and that we should refuse to vote to preserve our moral purity. Yes, there are candidates who are somewhat better than others, and at certain times of national crisis (the Thirties, for instance, or right now) where even a slight difference between the two parties may be a matter of life and death.
"I'm talking about a sense of proportion that gets lost in the election madness. Would I support one candidate against another? Yes, for two minutes-the amount of time it takes to pull the lever down in the voting booth.
"But before and after those two minutes, our time, our energy, should be spent in educating, agitating, organizing our fellow citizens in the workplace, in the neighborhood, in the schools. Our objective should be to build, painstakingly, patiently but energetically, a movement that, when it reaches a certain critical mass, would shake whoever is in the White House, in Congress, into changing national policy on matters of war and social justice."
Fusion
.So, you voted for a guy whose name you cant even spell?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
jcswayzee October 19th, 2008 5:07 pm
"Start by electing local officials that are progressives. Until you change the makeup of governorships and state houses, you'll never see the Senate, the House and the White House become progressive governing bodies."
And what makes you think we aren't already trying to do that in local and state races along with voting independent/third party in Senate, House, and Presidential races? Are you trying to tell us we can't vote the way we want in national races until we elect some officials in local and state races? LOL. Any excuse to get us to continue voting against our own best interests by continuing to vote Dem regardless of how little sense the argument makes.
Lobo Gris
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MANIFOLD: I could swear it was a French term, but I'll take this as a good enough substitute. Thanks for posting "the answer" to the question of metaphysical redundancy. (I prefer "The Ditto Effect.")
Maybe you meant Serendipity or Synchronicity? Although those aren't French either...
Gee- another Obama-bashing party. What a surprise! Let me say that I am disgusted with how he has morphed into such a typical spin meister. However, I recall that prior to his decision to run, he actually DID exhibit the qualities that might give some in this country renewed hope. And so, I will choose to beleive for the moment that the views he currently espouses are not his, but rather a recognition that to win, he needs to 'moderate' his views. You all have every right to bash him. His stances- from the bailout to showing Iran who's boss- are classic BS. But do you think he would have gotten to where he now is, had he expressed the views that you and I think he should have, from the beginning? Almost certainly, he'd be having coffee with Kucinich, Paul, Nader, and all those who refuse to play the game. Sure, when one plays the compromise game, all too often one gets sucked into believing it, and integrity goes down the drain. Powell is a recent example. I would ask that you not let your opinions be so overwhelming as to prevent you from catching a tidbit of true anti-establishment in Obama. For example, he DID say that he was opposed to playing ball with Colombia because of the military oppression of the peasants. Not a big statement. But hey- he hasn't won yet. Were he to lay those, or other cards on the table, the media would eat him alive. He would be labeled a Chavez socialist anti-American terrorist, himself. Perhaps I'm giving him too much credit. Perhaps he more and more really does believe the BS he's been spewing. But at this time, I'm willing to take the chance that he's not. The true test, assuming he isn't taken out before the election, will be how Congress reacts to him, should he win. Suppose he does win. Should he even then lay ALL the cards on the table? Congress would squish him like a bug- just as they did Carter. Politics is, by it's very nature, a dirty game. Have any of YOU seriously contemplated taking that plunge? Think about it.
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Anyone who supports Barack Obama has to ask themselves the following questions.
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for wanting to raise the Pentagon budget?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for not supporting single-payer healthcare?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for voting for F.I.S.A?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for supporting Joe Lieberman?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for supporting the war in Iraq?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for wanting to escalate the war in Afghanistan?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for wanting to invade Pakistan?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for wanting to invade Iran?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for barely mentioning torture?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for not mentioning the poor and the working poor?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for supporting the $850 billion Wall Street bailout?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for not mentioning corporate welfare -- corporate welfare averaging BEFORE the $850 billion bailout $125 billion per year.
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for supporting companies like Wal-Mart's?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for taking millions of dollars from Corporate America?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for supporting Henry Paulson, the former head of Goldman-Sachs; or Robert Gates, the current Secretary of Defense?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for voting for the Patriot Act as well as the reauthorization of the Patriot Act?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for supporting the bankruptcy bill, a bill that punitively affects the average wage earner?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for supporting an increase in the US military presence throughout the world?
-- Why isn't Obama criticizing McCain for taking impeachment off the table?
The answer to ALL these questions is the same .. BECAUSE OBAMA IS DOING THE SAME THING!
VOTE NADER/GONZALEZ 2008…
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Classical bullshit.
The short answer is: Because he wants to win; because no amount of criticizing will change anything if it leads to a McCain victory. Because Obama must avoid any semblance of radicalism and left-wing ideology in order to get elected - you know full well what kind of smear campaign the republicans and their media minions would start if he bends a little too far from so-called "mainstream" positions.
Honestly. This man is not a messiah. He is not Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders or Ralph Nader. But he's a decent man with empathy and conscience and courage and understanding, who actually has a chance to win the White House, and he is the single best chance Amerika has to rejoin the world and clean up the toxic mess of eight years of Bush.
Besides, he did criticize McCain for supporting the war in Iraq. And he did criticise McCain for wanting to bomb Iran.
Thank you, Manifold. You have said what I have been trying to say for a while.
We have a chance with Obama. With McCain, we will have this: http://tinyurl.com/6d9xqb.
Ah, Clint Mansell's "Lux Aeterna". What a beautiful piece of music.
Yeah, it is.
Within all of the blood and tragedy and warnings contained in that piece, I thought I saw the face of my cousin, Stuart, who was killed in Iraq a few months ago (I didn't, but I imagined I had). He left a wife and three small girls.
Obama is a man. McCain is a warrior. They both have faults.
I'm going to vote for Obama the man - faults and all.
Then why will he not categorically say hat he will not bomb Iran and that we will withdraw from Iraq. Lets not forget Afghansitan, also. Or , is that the "good war"?
9/11 was a criminal action. The UN wouldve been with us to prosecute.
And, I'm not being a "wise ass"
--what do we have a "chance of" with Obama? I am very uncertain as to what cause he champions, exactly.
Sanity. Civility. Fact-based decision-making. Breaking with the proto-fascist policies that haev dominated America for so long.
Honestly. Do you think, for a moment, that the US of A will magically transform from Bush's disgusting policies to Nader's progressive ideals? If you believe that, i call you deluded. We are talking about a country where approximately half of the people who actually bothered to vote decided to vote for Bush. Twice. You cannot change the american psyche overnight.
Obama is the best thing progressives can get this year. He is much more progressive than Clinton or Kerry or Gore or any serious contender for a long time. Maybe, after four to eight years of Obama's moderately-progressive politics, the American people will warm to our ideals and stop being scared by the pundits who have made liberal a dirty word.
Change doesn't come overnight. The choice is between Obama and McCain. That's a fact, whether you like it or not. And America cannot afford a McCain victory. America cannot afford another decade of fear, hate, war, blood and shame. Your country has moved so far to the right that it is detested by most of the world. You can't allow more lies, more torture, more conservative justices, more pollution. Most of all, you cannot afford another war in the middle east. The world would never forgive you. I know I wouldn't.