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Obama's Nobel Peace Prize
Obama has changed the tone America uses to speak to the world generally and the Muslim world specifically. His speech in Cairo, his first-week interview on al-Arabiya, and the extraordinarily conciliatory holiday video he sent to Iran are all substantial illustrations of that. His willingness to sit down and negotiate with Iran -- rather than threaten and berate them -- has already produced tangible results. He has at least preliminarily broken from Bush's full-scale subservience to Israel and has applied steadfast pressure on the Israelis to cease settlement activities, even though it's subjected him to the sorts of domestic political risks and vicious smears that have made prior Presidents afraid to do so. His decision to use his first full day in office to issue Executive Orders to close Guantanamo, ostensibly ban torture, and bar CIA black sites was an important symbol offered to the world (even though it's been followed by actions that make those commitments little more than empty symbols). He refused to reflexively support the right-wing, civil-liberty-crushing coup leaders in Honduras merely because they were "pro-American" and "anti-Chavez," thus siding with the vast bulk of Latin America's governments -- a move George Bush, or John McCain, never would have made. And as a result of all of that, the U.S. -- in a worldwide survey released just this week -- rose from seventh to first on the list of "most admired countries."
All that said, these changes are completely preliminary, which is to be expected given that he's only been in office nine months. For that reason, while Obama's popularity has surged in Western Europe, the changes in the Muslim world in terms of how the U.S. is perceived have been small to nonexistent. As Der Spiegel put it in the wake of a worldwide survey in July: "while Europe's ardor for Obama appears fervent, he has actually made little progress in the regions where the US faces its biggest foreign policy problems." People who live in regions that have long been devastated by American weaponry don't have the luxury of being dazzled by pretty words and speeches. They apparently -- and rationally -- won't believe that America will actually change from a war-making nation into a peace-making one until there are tangible signs that this is happening. It's because that has so plainly not yet occurred that the Nobel Committee has made a mockery out of their own award.
But far more important than the lack of actual accomplishments are some of the policies over which Obama has presided that are the very opposite of peace. Already this year, he not only escalated the American war in Afghanistan, but has ordered air raids that have produced things like this:
That was from a May airstrike in which over 100 Afghan civilians were killed by American jets -- one of many similar incidents this year, including one only a week ago that killed 9 Afghan civilians. How can someone responsible for that, and who has only escalated that war, possibly be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in the very same year that he did that? Does that picture above look like the work of a Nobel Peace laureate? Does this, from the May airstrike?
Beyond Afghanistan, Obama continues to preside over another war -- in Iraq: remember that? -- where no meaningful withdrawal has occurred. He uttered not a peep of opposition to the Israeli massacre of Gazan civilians at the beginning of this year (using American weapons), one which a U.N. investigator just found constituted war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity. The changed tone to Iran notwithstanding, his administration frequently emphasizes that it is preserving the option to bomb that country, too -- which could be a third war against a Muslim country fought simultaneously under his watch. He's worked tirelessly to protect his country not only from accountability -- but also transparency -- for the last eight years of war crimes, almost certainly violating America's treaty obligations in the process. And he is currently presiding over an expansion of the legal black hole at Bagram while aggressively demanding the right to abduct people from around the world, ship them there, and then imprison them indefinitely with no rights of any kind.
It's certainly true that Obama inherited, not started, these conflicts. And it's possible that he could bring about their end, along with an overall change in how America interacts with the world in terms of actions, not just words. If he does that, he would deserve immense credit -- perhaps even a Nobel Peace Prize. But he hasn't done any of that. And it's at least as possible that he'll do the opposite: that he'll continue to escalate the 8-year occupation of Afghanistan, preside over more conflict in Iraq, end up in a dangerous confrontation with Iran, and continue to preserve many of the core Bush/Cheney Terrorism policies that created such a stain on America's image and character around the world.
Through no fault of his own, Obama presides over a massive war-making state that spends on its military close to what the rest of the world spends combined. The U.S. accounts for almost 70% of worldwide arms sales. We're currently occupying and waging wars in two separate Muslim countries and making clear we reserve the "right" to attack a third. Someone who made meaningful changes to those realities would truly be a man of peace. It's unreasonable to expect that Obama would magically transform all of this in nine months, and he certainly hasn't. Instead, he presides over it and is continuing much of it. One can reasonably debate how much blame he merits for all of that, but there are simply no meaningful "peace" accomplishment in his record -- at least not yet -- and there's plenty of the opposite. That's what makes this Prize so painfully and self-evidently ludicrous.
UPDATE: Remember how, during the Bush years, the GOP would disgustingly try to equate liberals with Terrorists by pointing out that they happened to have the same view on a particular matter (The Left opposes the war in Iraq, just like Al Qaeda does! or bin Laden's statement on Israel sounds just like Michael Moore! ). It looks like the Democratic Party has learned and adopted that tactic perfectly ("'The Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists - the Taliban and Hamas this morning - in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize,' DNC communications director Brad Woodhouse told POLITICO"; Republicans are "put[ting] politics above patriotism," he added).
Apparently, according to the DNC, if you criticize this Prize, then you're an unpatriotic America-hater -- just like the Terrorists, because they're also criticizing the award. Karl Rove should be proud. Maybe the DNC should also send out Joe Lieberman's 2005 warning that "in matters of war we undermine Presidential credibility at our nation’s peril." Hamas also thinks that Israeli settlements should be frozen -- a position Obama shares. So, by the DNC's Rovian reasoning, doesn't this mean that Obama "has thrown in his lost with the terrorists"?




129 Comments so far
Show AllNicely stated. I thought it was a joke when I read it too.
Given Obama's torture obfuscation, ongoing renditions to gulags for suspected terrorists, perpetual war agenda in Afghanistan, covert air strikes on non-combatants, continued occupation of Iraq even after he promised to end it in a year, threats against Iran looming, it makes one wonder what kind of Alice in Wonderland world we live in currently.
It is an Orwellian Wonderland. War is Peace.
Glenn, the realities are very tiresome. You are always bringing up facts. We want to be soothed, entertained, feel proud. Conciliatory words should lull us while actual deployment of force increases. Hop aboard the bandwagon and cheer.
Joe
Did you ever read a post by Quick Step... or one of her many sign on alter egos?
This is a joke, right?
How could Obama get the peace prize? What has he done for peace? He escalated the war in Afghanistan, threatened war in Pakistan, put the Iraqi invasion/occupation on hold but refused to end it, refused to obey US law by cutting off aid to the Honduran military coup until the political situation is resolved, continued the cover of Israel's destruction of the Palestinians, is rattling his saber at Iran, and is backsliding on the closing of Guantanamo. It just shows how degraded the prize is.
If I remember correctly, the only two other presidents who while in office received the 'peace prize' - a curious misnomer given its recipients over the years, were Teddy Roosevelt, our homegrown Napoleon wannabe and inveterate war-monger, and Wilson who got us into and presided over one of the bloodiest wars in history.
Never underestimate the Scandinavian sense of humor.
Great post!
how many pieces of society that we have been conditioned to feel are legitimate and praiseworthy must be exposed as fraudulent or criminal before we begin to suspect, and reject, the conditioning?
liberalism's deceptions need to be exposed. if not, the power structures that rule us and oppress us will never get known to any, but a daring few.
the media and educational establishment are the most effective cover-up forces, perhaps.
In some ways it is even worse because all of the examples of "hope and change" listed become betrayals like campaign promises--but the prize was granted based on the empty platitudes.
Better not to put any stock in the illusions in the first place. With Bush we knew what we were getting, but many are still caught up in the gossamer hope and change elixir, and more than willing to deny reality or tolerate and excuse it rather than face that what they wouldn't tolerate in Bush they will defend in Obama.
Yeah, but they didn't want to have their picture taken with him either.
Would somebody please explain to me why US drones are bombing Afghan villages killing and wounding hundreds of innocent civilians? I don't read everything, and I never watch TV. So would somebody, someone more informed than myself, please tell me what the bloody hell is going on?
I did listen intently to the presidential debates last year on the radio. I really thought Obama was going to fulfill his campaign promises. I trusted him, and even voted for him, even though I wanted to vote for Bill Richardson, or Dennis Kuccinich, or Cinthia McKinney, or Ralph Nadar.
Would someone please tell me what's going on? Is this some kind of sick joke? Doesn't the Nobel Prize honor someone for their outstanding achievements in advancing the cause of peace? I'm really confused.
So I guess I have 2 questions here. 1, why are we bombing Afghan villages, and 2, why did Obama get the Nobel Peace Prize? Please, intelligent responses only. Thanks!
I'm not sure, but I think the very first Nobel Peace Prize went to the inventor of dynamite. So it appears that the committee remains true to form with the latest praise of a chosen warmonger.
Nobel himself was the inventor of dynamite.
He donated his fortune to promote peace, partly to atone for his invention.
What you ask for is impossible. "Intelligent responses"? Come on this is America. We have let our educational system fail and you want intelligence? We can not even provide good healthcare.
Stupid answers I have plenty of, like question #2. Nobel made his money for these prizes from the invention of dynamite.Obama's use of explosives make his ancestors proud. Check the pictures in this article.
#1 As secdef Rumsfeld stated we move to invade Iraq because Afghanistan was not target rich. We have succeeded in bombing all targets worthy of our bombs there so we are back in Afghanistan looking for anything that moves. Heck if dogs had beards they would be all dead in Afghanistan.
Doesn't anybody have a clue anymore?
See my earlier post on this thread.
When I saw the news OBAMA WINS NOBEL PEACE PRIZE,,,
I LAUGHED SO LOUD AND SO LONG.
When Obama goes to STOCKHOLM to accept his "peace" prize - he should make sure to COME with GUNS, and TANKS, and DRONES circling all of Stockholm!!!
and in his speech he should use a Giant Screen to Demonstrate his PEACE initiatives:
Satellite photos of devastated villages, close pictures of maimed , dead bodies, the "beauty" of his USA's wonderful KILLING SPREE .
oh -- and show how "comfortable" those secret detainees are while being hanged with their wrists....and how PEACELOVING his American Interrogators and their collaborators are....
The onion would never do a story like this, because it's so preposterous that no one would believe it.
As long as the US economy is based on weapons and war, brewing conflict and empire across the globe, as our corporations steal resources from wherever they desire, not respecting the sovereignty of nations and diversity of peoples, coercing our own to go, fight, kill others so...what is all that for again? As our planet goes through the changes that can ultimately result in our demise, due to our own short-sightedness, greed, and power plays...and when talent and resources SHOULD be turned to sustainable energy, food production, health, housing and education for all, as our economic base...well, maybe this prize is just a hopeful cheerleading by the nations of the world who also yearn for Hope, we can BELIEVE in....for a change.
Maybe the Nobel Prize Committee did their voting on Diebold machines.
:)
Petrkrop ---------- Big Laugh !!! Thank you!!!
Did did you know the other voting machine company that controls USA elections is owned by the brother of a raging christian fundamentalist?
Christian Fundamentalist. I prefer the term Christofascist.
Or how about--- churchinsanity fascists!
When I first heard about this, I thought what a great gag by the Yes Men!
This is an effing sick joke.
If there were no other evidence of how completely the world is ruled by the international plutoligarchy, this would suffice.
I'm not defending Obama, nor the awarding of the prize, but that Der Spiegel article, and Greenwald himself, is making a mistake too many people make: equating the Middle East with the Muslim world. Indonesia matters, regardless of whether the opinion of Indonesians on Obama is affected by the time he spent there or not.
Obama has provide much peace of mind to the previous war criminal administration
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Sioux Rose
MUJERIEGO: I think you nailed the logic behind the decision! I wonder if any covert payoffs are involved on this one, too?
I am speechless with disgust.
Its like the DNC has taken control of the Nobel Prize committee.
Do you think that now O has the Prize that he's going to feel guilty and fulfil his promises and keep his word?
No. Do you believe that?
If you really believe that the prize will make him fulfill his promises, I have a bridge in Alaska that I would like to sell you!
Sioux Rose
CLEARCUT: I'm more afraid he'll suffer from "The 007 complex" and think this award presents him with a mandate or license to kill. NOT a wise choice, and the lords of karma are NOW standing by. I wish Cecil B. Demille was directing so lightning could come down and hit the award just as it passes into his waiting hands. Maybe THAT would get some attention! Cause some minds to flip.
"lightning could come down and hit the award just as it passes into his waiting hands."
LOL ! Oh thank you Sioux. That one cheered me up the most. Love it. Thank you again. :)
If we don't hear our victims crying out as our drones bomb them in 3 countries, I guess that counts as peace?
Strange logic, so much for my respect of the Nobel Peace Prize!
Bush spoke on al Arabyia, Obama has suppressed the Goldstone Report.
And he used his Prize acceptance speech to demonize Iran. So much for his so called acheivements.
And why does Greenwald call Hamas terrorists but not israel or the USA?
"And why does Greenwald call Hamas terrorists but not israel or the USA?" –(glenn ford)
–Yes. An accurate insight and one that should always be kept firmly in mind when reading Glenn Greenwald.
For all Glenn Greenwald's brilliant moral interventions one can only go so far with him, as he himself only goes so far with his own incisive conclusions.
Until he starts to accurately call Israel and America the 'state terrorists' they are Greenwald remains a Civil Libertarian 'liberal' at best. This is despite the fact he is a lightning rod and catalyst for attacks from rightist liberals.
That Greenwald is certainly no 'leftist' should be unequivocally understood, but it should not diminish his seminal achievements.
This is not to disparage his assiduous, dogged efforts. He is certainly circumscribed by strictures imposed on him by the conditions of his continued employment in the mainstream of progressive journalism.
I can say I support Hamas and Hezbollah, which I do, but Greenwald certainly cannot. One must never forget this is America.
–(Jill Bains)
Because Greenwald is an ignorant racist Zionist pig
The Nobel Peace Prize has been given to eugenics supporters such as Elihu Root, Jane
Addams, Thomas Hunt Morgan, Alexis Carrel and Woodrow Wilson. In addition Wilson created the Fed in 1913 and since then we have this disastrous financial system. It was given to Gorbachev who ruined not only his economy but also his country, and that's only what I know about...
This committee is as corrupt as our Congress if not more. Now, for the first time, they give awards for "hope", achievements are too much to ask for... Or may be not? What "achievements" do they expect from Obama?
You're being unfair.
Eugenics was popular because it sounded logical and people didn't know any better. We can date the science of genetics to Mendel and Darwin, both of whom worked in the early-mid 19th c., but whose work really didn't begin to become mainstream science til ca. 1900. The people you're complaining about were born before that, and were non-scientists to boot (not that most scientists had a grip either til recently -- see 'The Mismeasure of Man' if you need depressing).
Mikhail Sergeevich ruined neither the economy nor the nation. If anything, he tried to rescue it and was thwarted by Reagan, El'tsin, and and the Soviet pigs at the trough. Like the Haitian priest-president whose name I can never recall when I want to, he's lucky to have escaped with his life.
Aristide?
Yes! Aristide. Thank you.
Oh yes, how did I forget, Aristide Briand another "Peace" "Nobel" Prize winner who monkeyed with the Locarno Treaties, the first push on Germany towards WW2. On top Briand lulled Europe that war was "illegal".
Gorbachev takes the cake however, he single-handedly caused a greater demographic hit to Russia than WW2 itself... upwards of 20 million... disintegration, economic meltdown, disease... don't give me the "his opponents caused it" BS, he was the idiot who allowed it in the first place. And it all started, what, a year after he got his "Peace" prize?... I hope Obama does better...
"Gorbachev takes the cake however, he single-handedly caused a greater demographic hit to Russia than WW2 itself... upwards of 20 million... disintegration, economic meltdown, disease... don't give me the "his opponents caused it" BS, he was the idiot who allowed it in the first place. "
No, the idiot who started it was Stalin, and those fools who supported him, including leftist fools in the west who supported Stalin and made apologias for Stalin, including leftist fools who even today want to make apologias for Stalin and his successors / ilk.
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"s given to Gorbachev who ruined not only his economy but also his country, "
Shows how little you understand about the USSR. It wasn't Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev who ruined the USSR. Russia was ruined by the people who believe that they can use totalitarian force to force a system of behaviour onto people.
RE: Greenwald Update: DNC's denuciation of those criticizing the award to Obama.
This is a rehash of Bush's: "Either you are for us or you are against us" or of Obama's denunciation of US criticism as reflexive anti-Americanism in a recent speech. Bush, Obam, the DNC, Fox News... all the same, decide to attack the messenger, rather than address the message.
Yes, anyone out there prepared to outline the significant differences in Obama foreign policy and Bush Jr.'s? There seems to be a fair amount of apologists and supporters out there, however they never cite any hard evidence.
DNC and RNC what is the difference? style? rhetoric? policy?
As OBOMBA/BUSHLIMS/CLINTONISTAS ARE ALL controlled by THE SAME MASTERS why would there be any difference in style/rhetoric/policy OBOMBA follows the script laid out for him daily by acting president Rahm and the goldman sachs sychophants. The Obomba land of the duped was masterful.Media controlled propaganda,following him around like he was a rock star.The guy used to be a crack fiend.The con man, mesmerized the cult followers with his Hitler style of oratory.His happy family interactions charmed the public.Once in office he revealed that he was a sadistic war criminal and egomaniac or coward or just not wanting to be killed by his masters/the scary people.Blackmail works!Who knows what he was threatened with.
(goes with the territory)you think.His demeanour,his body language changed.Now he is expected to fulfil the lies that he spewed during his campaign.It will never happen!OBOMBA has fallen from grace globally,the world knows he is a fraud,Whether by choice is debatable. Pfizer alone lobbies to the tune of 2million annually.single payer will NOT occur!Obamas can of worms.he has no backing. The wars enrich and will go on and on,double talk is the name of the game.He's not pulling anything off,he is weak.The powerful can't be satisfied/ greed sufferers, are fickle,once they own planet earth will want several of the other planets right now they want this planet!
Who takes these things seriously? Henry Kissinger won a Peace Prize once too. Boney M won out over Elvis Costello for "best new artist" at the Grammys one year. I mean, for gosh sakes, Gladiator won best picture. What was up with that?