The $700 Billion Wall Street Bailout: One More Weapon of Mass Deception
Not since the Bush Administration's lies about Iraq's "weapons of mass destruction" have the American people been so despicably misled.
The Bush Administration's proposal to buy, with taxpayers' money, $700 billion of toxic liabilities from the corporate financial titans of Wall Street is a fraud. It is by no means necessary, as Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson claims in the agency's Fact Sheet, "...to promote market stability, and help protect American families and the U.S. economy."
It is necessary only to assure the financial survival of Wall Street banks and brokerages, the Administration's most loyal supporters and its greatest political contributors-and in large measure the cause of the financial meltdown the country is facing.
These financial corporations lobbied ferociously to be free of government regulation. Had they not succeeded, they could not have done what they did next. They created and leveraged trillions of dollars of complex "derivatives"-mortgage-backed securities, collateralized debt obligations, and credit default swaps-all riding on an unprecedented real estate bubble stimulated by their frenzy of creative finance. When the bubble burst, as bubbles do, many of these financial titans faced bankruptcy, their obligations far exceeding their assets.
The $700 billion of taxpayers' money, in the plan suggested by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, will buy enough of the toxic obligations to allow the companies to avoid bankruptcy. Not coincidentally a major beneficiary of the scheme will be the investment bank Goldman, Sachs. Mr. Paulson resigned as CEO of Goldman, Sachs to become Treasury Secretary in 2006, having amassed a personal net worth of $700 million during his 32-year tenure at the bank. (On average, $21.9 million per year.)
We need to "remove the distressed assets from the financial system," Mr. Paulson suggests. Relieved of the burden, the great Wall Street banks can then regain, presumably, their folksy function: assuring that "...money and capital flow to and from households and businesses to pay for home loans, school loans, and investments that create jobs."
For the good of the American economy, Mr. Paulson is correct that credit needs to flow and the distressed assets need to be removed. He is not correct that credit needs to flow from Goldman, Sachs and other Wall Street financial houses. And the distressed assets do not have to be assumed by the taxpayers.
There are other, far more equitable and justified ways to accomplish both.
The distressed assets-that is the losses-can and should be absorbed by the executives, directors, and stockholders of the corporate banks and other institutions that propagated the financial firestorm. They can and should, as the dictates of the free market insist, stand accountable for their actions and accept bankruptcy. It is not the responsibility of the American taxpayers to shield them.
Mr. Paulson wants to rescue Wall Street so Wall Street, he assures us, can get back to lending. That is certain to save Mr. Paulson's former firm and the others, but it is by no means certain credit will then flow to "...home loans, school loans, and investments that create jobs." The Wall Street firms are far more likely to revive their lucrative trade in complex and esoteric financial "products."
$700 billion is a lot of money. It is more than we've spent so far on the Administration's fraudulent "war on terror." (See http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/63632/ ) Is it not better public policy to channel the money to "households and businesses" in some other, more direct, more effective, and far more reliable way?
There are hundreds if not thousands of Main Street banks and thrift institutions which played no part in the real estate securitization/derivatives game. Certainly the $700 billion could be made available to them instead, at low but positive interest. Or special publicly-held banks could be set up in statute and capitalized with the $700 billion.
The crisis is real, but there are ways to serve the nation's interests at large, and even to earn a modest return on its assets. We do not need to subsidize the failure of Wall Street and hope thereafter for better days.
The welfare of the Wall Street financiers should not be the focus of public policy, and this clever attempt by the Bush Administration is a perversion of decent governance. We should not be stampeded into the greatest corporate theft of public assets, arguably, in the nation's history. Instead, to paraphrase one of our presidential campaigns, we need to put our country first and stop Mr. Paulson dead in his tracks.
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Show AllThere is a solution.
Go out and vote for Nader.
Just like 9/11 was preventable and predictable as Rice, Cheney, and the Chimp were warned about it for months before it occurred, this financial mess was predicted and preventable also. The GOP had it planned from the beginning. They're not satisfied with becoming multi-millionaires from our tax money, they want to become multi-billionaires. When we're in a severe depression, they'll leave for sunnier shores; Bush will retire in Paraguay with his ill-gotten billions $$$$$$$$$$$$
Would someone please tell me how much Paulson would lose if there was no bailout? I get very skeptical when there is a rush and a panic by Wall street for $$$$!
There are some good comments here. But the old "sheep" line only refers to folks that blindly follow an ideology, whatever it is.
Most people don't. Their problem is getting truthful information, not that they follow blindly.
Alan MacDonald
Richard, you're exactly right about this Weapon of Mass Deception that the ruling elite's 'corporatist Empire' (hiding behind the facade of their two-party, 'Vichy' government) is using to attack democracy itself.
What we're facing is a far bigger battle than the fleecing of this supposed 'bailout'.
What we are facing is the final showdown between the economic empire of ruling-elite financial royalists against the very concept of America's most innovative contribution to the world: democracy --- vs. the chance, with our courage, to finally complete the American Revolution against the rule of empire in all aspects of our lives and liberty.
Today we have the opportunity of finally achieving the successful completion of the American Revolution; where the triumph of real democracy, rather than empire, in how men govern themselves, addresses the inexorably combined power of our indivisible political economy.
The good news of this epic crisis is that the real American innovation of democracy will finally (after 232 years) be applied to both the realms of political and economic self-governance, rather than only to the political sphere --- because empire, left alone in the economic sphere, has been perverting and trying to overthrow democracy since 1776.
This is not a choice between 'free market democracy' (which is only a PR lie told by the 'corporatist Empire') and the scare term of 'socialism' --- but rather the long-delayed, final battle of the American Revolution, between democratic self-governance in the unified political economy of our country, or an economic empire of their corporatist/fascist elite metastasizing from the economic realm to the political realm and the whole of our society.
With capitalistic govt in office why are we using socialistic policies to bail out.
Let them drown long live capitalism
NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!
Roosevelt's Fed chairman, Marriner Eccles, the only populist ever to head the central bank, was a small-town banker. Rep. Henry Steagall of Alabama, the House sponsor of the landmark Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, championed local banks against the titans of Wall Street
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=meet_the_next_treasury_secretary
Eccles was a small town banker? From Wikipedia
"He was able to reorganize and consolidate the assets of the industrial conglomerate and banking network of his father, David Eccles. Eccles expanded the banking interests into a large western chain of banks called Eccles-Browning Affiliated Banks. He was a millionaire by age 22. The company withstood several bank runs during the Great Depression and, as a leading banker, became involved with the creation of the Emergency Banking Act of 1933 and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation."
Here is what Louis McFadden said in a speech in 1933 about FDR.
http://www.federal-reserve.net/part2.htm
Many of the bailouts that occurred under FDR were by the Reconstruction Finance Corporation which had it's offices in the Federal Reserve banks and used Fed employees doing double duty. This was from money they borrowed from the Fed and used to loan or buy shares in banks and industry. It was the foundation behind our fascism today.
Henry Ford once said: "It is well enough that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
80 years later, they still do not understand it.
Louis McFadden was a notorious anti-semite. He attempted to impeach Herbert Hoover, the admitted darling of the 'Gilded Age.' That was the Big Depression for most Americans and Fitzgerald's classic 'The Great Gatsby.'
My point is it makes no difference what this fool said of FDR. And it's obvious you have no clue.
Please no lectures on the Fed. I know the rant. While it has some revelance, Henry Ford was a great fascist and anti semite just like your friend McFadden.
And what was Bush's grandfather doing at the time? MMM?
Take your KKK mentality and shove it up your ass.
By contrast, Paulson, the current treasury secretary, has called for broad general oversight by the Federal Reserve, with ad-hoc interventions as necessary. According to an official who has been privy to these debates, "Paulson's approach is a joke. The Fed has now extended the safety net to investment banks, private equity firms, and hedge funds. The real question is what kind of detailed public supervision will there be in exchange for these public benefits."
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=meet_the_next_treasury_secretary
What 'public benefits?' Are you day dreaming with mimiccs, the vestigial remainder?
"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." This is in the bail-out bill (see HuffingtonPost). This is the meat of the story of the bill. Taxpayers are in the process of being stuck with the biggest bill in the history of this country, and there will be no one held accountable if it turns out badly. There will be no one held accountable for the calculation, for the selection or quantity of each disbursement, for accounting for the expenditures. No one is even going to get to check the math!
Somehow this seems to fit a familiar pattern... IT IS IMPERITVE THAT THIS GETS PASSED IMMEDIATELY>>> NO TIME TO READ IT>>> NO TIME TO DEBATE IT>>> BUT IF IT ISN'T VERBATIM< BUSH MAY VETO IT>>>
Our stupid Congress has already been stampeded several times... for example The Patriot Act... and the Telecom amnesty... here's hoping they have gotten a little smarter by now!
For 7 years I have been listening to the progressive scoop about how absurd, fascist, orwellian, deceitful, illegal etc, etc everything is. I don't need another 5,000 examples before it sinks in - I see the pattern already! We're all sheep! This stuff is gonna keep on goin down and no one is going to hit the street from this site or any other site like it - never mind the majority of American's who haven't got a clue! This country is ging to burn up faster than the planet.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing." Who out there is willing to go to prison and stop supporting their family! No one! There will be no revolution. There will be only us - totally aghast, helpless and dumbfounded as it all unfolds. Am I wrong?
Nader won't win. Because it is so absurd McCain/Palin will win. Obama is just a distraction and has already sold out or he wouldn't be in a position to possibly win. WE can be upset about that in the future too can't we!
What I want to know is how long do I have before the boarding school I work at will close down because people can't afford $39,000./year in tuition? That's a real question. Anybody got any answers???
I disagree on the 'dumbfounded.'
Sorry about that boarding school job. You probably don't make what the tuition is. What grade levels? It could last very easily 10 or 15 years. The question is do you want to continue to work where you are paid less than a public school. Or is it you can't get a credential?
Bartending is more fun and profitable.
By the way, did it ever matter to you, your appropriation of the name Thoreau? You are blaspheming his name. How about a name you make up, not assume, since you will never be his equal?
How about 'toenail chewer?'
Obama supports the bailout at taxpayer expense and this Cat is attacking the only public figure who accurately identifies the imbeciles responsible. How ironic the sign on name. Nader is the only honest candidate that marches to his own drummer which in effect honors his own inner wisdom. This Cat offers nothing more group think. Thanks, but no thanks.
Who is siphoning off the real assets? DTCC (read cabal)- please read the info offered on this site and check it out. This is truly scary. The powers behind the so called US throne are massing to take the money and keep us under martial law. Elections suspended - George "Coup" Bush et al. How can anyone still be asleep?
http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_article/_a000010-000923.htm
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/22/headlines this comment from Nannie on Sept 22nd (this article)
More 'Green Eggs and Ham.'
Go to a large university library.
Research for yourself your questions.
Remember, the web is full of egotistical miscreants with an agenda. Most have the education of a 3 year old.
throughout all the events of the last month, not a word from cheney. the grand scheme is falling into place. this administration is a true piece of work. today, a record setting jump in oil futures. several years ago, 9/11. enron. rising property taxes. downward spiraling home values. save for the mindfuck dip at the end of the summer season, always rising gas prices. record unemployment. the rantings and ravings of impeachment only made the sick bastard laugh at us. as suggested many months ago on this site, he should have been removed from office so very long ago - by whatever means necessary. oh what a scheme.
"The real difficulty in changing any enterprise lies not in developing new ideas, but in escaping from the old ones." John Maynard Keynes
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http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/22/headlines
..Army Unit to Deploy in October for Domestic Operations
Beginning in October, the Army plans to station an active unit inside the United States for the first time to serve as an on-call federal response in times of emergency. The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent thirty-five of the last sixty months in Iraq, but now the unit is training for domestic operations. The unit will soon be under the day-to-day control of US Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command. The Army Times reports this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to Northern Command. The paper says the Army unit may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control. The soldiers are learning to use so-called nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals and crowds.
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Nannie September 22nd, 2008 9:50 pm
"Army Unit to Deploy in October for Domestic Operations"
With all of the gutting of the Constitution and laws of the land it may end up not meaning anything but the use of troops as you have outlined appears to violate the posse comitatus act of 1878.
Specifically the law as amended says
Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
-Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 1385
Lobo Gris
I can't stop laughing, LG, at your truly pathetic relapse on law.
DogLeg September 23rd, 2008 5:27 am
"I can't stop laughing, LG, at your truly pathetic relapse on law."
What relapse? If you are going to accuse me of one the least you can do is say what it is.
Lobo Gris
Jesus, Nannie!
What are we going to do, folks.
The entire world is wondering.
Only we know what it is like to be a frickin "Merkin.
Only some of us know what it is like to be poor in this day and age.
Alot of peole wil not make it this winter, if we follow the status quo.
What are we going to do, folks.
It is interesting the the National Guard is in Iraq and Afghanistan and the US Army is deployed in the US of A.
Enough is enough
End Republican Rule
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or if we wait for some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." - June Jordan
P. S. “General Petraeus’s oft declared uncertainty about the future stability of Iraq is genuine. It is the Iraqi Shia and their Iranian backers, not the Americans, who are the true victors in the Iraqi war.” Patrick Cockburn
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Training by Blackwater ???
brought to you by King George and Prince Eric...
VOTE NADER/GONZALEZ 2008
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YOU JUST DON'T GET IT!. . . NANIE SEPTEMBER
i always thought that the kind of language - sophomoric though it may be - that goes like this: and no matter what happens, no matter who is in charge, come what may no one can go back on this deal - no on can change a line in it
this used to be the kind of language we employed in buying off corrupt dictators in banana republics
man, this globalization shit has really gotten out of hand
the homeland is now officially a banana republic
no health care, no social services and now no money, as this deal will tie up all discretionary spending for the next 50 years
bushco is now putting the finishing touches on the destruction of the united states
this is what happens when you allow an alcoholic brain lesioned puppet to steal an election or two
his handlers want to get paid
cheers, b
Greed is God
The greed is god capital is looking lonely
At least it fall and decay ain’t color coded
but hey....
Soup, hot dogs, and KD are movin quickly
New walls are building
while main street is decaying
as Wall St has yet another fling on the public purse
more bilk and baloney dubbed milk and honey
as the cockroaches take over for the locusts
The pigs get meatier and meatier
and don’t even mind the lipstick licks
as the wild Dow ticks spike from boom to doom to boom
for the tough is better going for them licks
and for fake profits and cheese are
sure lookin good with the ‘least of these’
as the big board replaces AIG with KD
Who’s the big cheese?
Kachink Kachink
me thinks is Colonel Klink or Paulson
yes it’s Kleptocracy Klink
The Paulson of Kachink Kachink
Greed is God
and God is Good
and we thank you for our KD
Kachink Kachink
It's only capitalism, nothing to get apoplectic about? Doesn't everyone love capitalism?
The look: Henry Merritt "Hank" Paulson Jr. as Treasury Secretary reminds me of Donald Henry Rumsfeld when he was defense Secretary
The government bailout of business cannot be used as an excuse to rob us of Social Security, Medicare, the coming of Universal Health Care for all Americans, Public Education Institutions, etc.
Please speak to this and ask others to do this as well.
Forewarned is forearmed.
Call your representative in Washington today
Not only is the bailout supported by Bush and Company but by McCain and Obama. Why do the progressive pretenders always neglect the fact that these programs, funding of wars, are supported not only by the imbecile Bush but by the two major party imbecile candidates?
The 700 billion dollar Trojan horse has been pulled up to the Wall street gates.
Will the congress obey the constitution or not.
Its hard to believe that Republicans would be stead fast against this rescue.
They actually are trying to blame Democrats for easing regulation which allowed these Banking and Corporate fat cats to prey on the American public's wallet.
The FEDs motto ,100 % guarantee or your money back.
Like , how many left wing liberals do you know run large banks?
Well , to add insult to injury, Republicans want to blame the American public for being irresponsible for taking the loans.
And now, Republicans would have you believe that they are against the bail out.
If only Shakespeare were alive.What folly wouldst he derive from our elected officials.
" Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. "
"To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
There was plenty of money for the Military industrial Complex for two illegal wars against two sovereign nations.
Maybe there wont be enough left over after the bail out, hey Republicans ,your other fat cat buddy's are calling for your help.
BornFreeMen
Our bailout has always been soup kitchens and homeless shelters if we are the deserving poor. What if we are undeserving, well then the prison work force and chain gangs?
We need to demand that our bailout comes when each and everyone of us makes a middle class living with middle class homes, education and health care and time for our family, friends and neighborhood.
Wall Street and its Casino Economy must DIE. Money is its blood--NO Transfusion!!
The FED MUST be eliminated, and the Treasury Department and Securities and Exchange Commission removed from the Executive Branch and restructured. (Some other Executive agencies need similar treatment, EPA and the whole of the Justice Department immediately come to mind.) "Defense" appropriations must be limited to one-tenth of one-percent GDP unless Congress has passed a Declaration of War, and the vast majority of the US Empire and National Security State dismantled and their crimes exposed. As implied, the current crisis isn't just financial, nor is current the proper term, with ongoing apter. I already wrote my reps., saying much of the above.
BushCo was inagurated by fraud. Let it die because of fraud. Like the Wicked Witch of the East (which was Wall Street), BushCo must be allowed to meltaway.
NOT ONE MORE PENNY!!!!!
Hey - aren't we all supposed to be talking about a pit bull with lipstick and what a wonderful hockey mom she is? Why is everyone discussing a $700 billion government bailout?
When I was a kid my parents told my brother and me what it was like to live through the Great Depression. I learned a lot of interesting facts, such as, my father earned $100 a month and everyone considered him to be Jack The Lad. What they never told us (or I have forgotten) was what it felt like.
Now I'm actually living through the beginnings of yet another Great Depression and it all seems so ho-hum. Get up in the morning, check the web to see if it all crashed and burned overnight. Have I lost my job and my life savings? Same group of witless, prune-faced pirates, leeches and vampires parading in front of the MSM telling me I'm a whiner one second, conjuring up "mental depressions", and in the next saying if you don't bail out Wall Street in the next 20 seconds the world will come to an end. After 40 years of this black shit, starting with Nixon and apparently ending now with George Wanker Bush, American history's Shakespeare of mediocrity, lies and the banality of evil, no wonder it all feels so ordinary. We've all had so much experience living it. Oh, I almost forgot. On deck, John McCain.
&YYY&
Even Jesus Christ knew how to treat the money lenders. Throw them out of the temple of government.
If JC returned and tried that today he would be called a terrorist and enemy combatant and sent to GITMO and waterboarded.
You left out the most important epithet: "troll".
STOP THE BAILOUT!
http://www.votenobailout.org
WALL STREET BAILOUT = GENERAL STRIKE!!!
Don't worry, "Delaware Joe" Biden and his faithful companion "Hopey" Obama will ride to the rescue. Gotta fill them saddlebags.
"Gotta fill them saddlebags."
Yes... with fleece. It's going to be a cold loooonnnggg (decades) winter without your fleece America.
baaaaa! baaaaaaaa! baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!
I am an average,ignorant US citizen but the as I recall there used to be a system called Communism and in that system the State owned the market. Isn't this "bailout" a step in that direction? Maybe Gary Allen had it correctly summed up.
There also used to be a system called Fascism and in that system the market owned the state.
This bailout (sic) is neither communism nor socialism. This is the corporatocracy raiding The People, using "the state" (sic) as its middleman.
No, youve got it all wrong--communism is horrible--except for the very rich!
ji3m
hi all. Question: is there any truth to the buzz on the web about a massive public mobilization at the capitol this week to pressure congress to not consolidate the theft in progress? If so, when is it starting to happen? Anyone know who's doing the organizing or is it really just spontaneous? I have been able to confirm much but maybe someone else can. I hear it the biggest yet and definitely not partisan.
The one down by the railroad tracks and the A&W Root Beer joint?
The resistance is coming from many sectors. Moveon.org is launching a campaign to slow down the process, and Obama has said that careful deliberation is needed to get the correct checks and balances in place. NO BLANK CHECK this time as Bush tries to grab his last big gift to the rich and powerful. McCain is screaming because Obama has not leapt on board for the bailout like he has. Everyday the economy is sucking the oxygen for the lipstick distractions is a bad day for McSame.
That doesnt answer ji3m's questrion at all. It's more like a campaign speech or an adevertisement.
Does anyone ELSE know about a protest or sometrhing going on this weekend? We could start forming car pools or something.
From the blog by Larisa Alexandrovna
"The Treasury Secretary can buy broadly defined assets, on any terms he wants, he can hire anyone he wants to do it and can appoint private sector companies as financial deputies of the US government. And he can write whatever regulation he thinks are needed.
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."
Write, call, fax, email all appropriate people in congress to make sure these provisions are stripped out.
... and these videos are worth a few minutes consideration
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2008/09/20.html
I wonder how much of Paulsons'worth is in Stocks, which would drop in value. I'm hoping that my Iowa up for election Senator and the one that isn't will not pass the bill that's being rammed down "our" throats.
"$700 billion is a lot of money."
First of all, it's a very well-known fact that this administration LIES about every goddamn thing, and there is no reason whatsoever to believe they will only be spending $700B of taxpayer money. Safe to say, it's $1 trillion, at least.
Second of all, every TRILLION of taxpayer money the Fed gives the Wall Street thieves breaks down to $8,000 PER TAXPAYER.
THAT is a lot of money to those of us taxpayers earning the average $32,000 per year - $25,000 after taxes.
Third of all, the present TRILLION is on top of the (at least) TWO TRILLION already gifted/promised to said Wall Street thieves. That means the average taxpayer will reward the Wall Street criminals with $24,000 this year.
THAT is a lot of money - an entire year's net earnings for the average taxpayer.
All in favor, raise your hands... oh, wait, before you do, remember that for your year's worth of earnings you will be part owner of "complicated toxic assets" that will never again be worth even half of what you're paying for them.
Now, all in favor?...
A Trillion is not even close---only a down payment on another subprime deal. Who are you going to believe, Secretary Paulson’s lips or your own lying eyes? Recall Wolfowitz’ $1.7 billion estimate for the Iraq war? This "one measly" trillion in socialized is wildly optimistic.
The crisis is HUGE! Fannie and Freddie alone (“FEDdie”) hold $5-7 trillion in debt, and more than $1 trillion of that is rotten, not the declared $200 billion, or 3.5% of liabilities. Now add the soured bank debts that Paulson has “volunteered” us taxpayers to carry, amounts unknown to anyone because bank books are closed and the watchdogs were run off. Those could amount to trillions, plural, from which banks and brokers have already siphoned off hundreds of billions in fees. Watch the glittering parachutes unfurl, and the yachts glide off to distant island villas---if we let them.
Sorry to sound even more alarmist, but if that doesn’t make you anxious and angry, consider the housing crash as only the tipping point. The taller cliff ahead is retail---and this snowball will be hard to stop. Consumerism is roughly 70% of our GDP, and consumers strangled with usurious debt can’t go shopping anymore. Job losses resulting from failing retail could trigger an avalanche that spreads globally, burying a lot of people and structures, with violent aftershocks that make digging out much harder.
Listen to Greenspan (a key perpetrator), no market alarmist, who calls this a once in a century event. And watch Bill Moyers Journal, especially Kevin Phillips, author of Bad Money.
For a bankers’ emergency, bipartisan corporatists in Washington seem too eager to abandon “free” trade ideology to aid their lobbyist cronies. Any rescued banks must yield public equity. We must also demand that those responsible for gross malpractice and malfeasance, whether “book-legal” or not, pay the price: no parachutes, no bonuses, and retroactive stripping of ill-earned profits. A good number of them should be wearing orange jumpsuits, black hoods maybe, but no fedoras or Club Fed casuals.
Doug Terpstra September 22nd, 2008 4:57 pm
"The taller cliff ahead is retail---and this snowball will be hard to stop. Consumerism is roughly 70% of our GDP, and consumers strangled with usurious debt can’t go shopping anymore. Job losses resulting from failing retail could trigger an avalanche that spreads globally, burying a lot of people and structures, with violent aftershocks that make digging out much harder."
Since the majority of our manufacturing has been moved overseas to low wage areas of the world such as China, Vietnam etc., the effects on our job base will be minimal compared to them. I don't know about you but I really don't give a sh#t if the Chinese, Vietnamese, etc have jobs or not.
Lobo Gris
Do you have any comprehension of $6 trillion and 2 billion people on their way to collect it?
DogLeg September 23rd, 2008 5:36 am
"Do you have any comprehension of $6 trillion and 2 billion people on their way to collect it?"
I have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to argue against what I've written you need to do more than one liners.
Lobo Gris
I do not 'need' to do anything. What I write is an extension of the logic or lack of it I read. In other words, try to understand. And believe me I am not picking on you. A lot of what you write is spot on, then, for some reason, you blow it off. That I have noticed.
In an article on msnbc "Impact of Wall Street bailout becoming clearer" they actually try to convince readers of the necessity and sense of this "bail out". This article lays much of the blame for the collapse of the markets on the Americans who bought into bad mortgages. This is just sick, this MSM that is now oiling the wheels of complicity that the lot of the corrupt Washington family feeds off of. We will be putting up bail money for sure with no expectation that the person we are bailing will ever be held to trial for crimes. I never knew the public would sit around while watching themselves become surety for criminal debt in perpetuity while giving up any judicial oversight..
Leea September 22nd, 2008 5:30 pm
"We will be putting up bail money for sure with no expectation that the person we are bailing will ever be held to trial for crimes"
Held to trial for crimes? Lehman Bros. who just declared bankruptcy has set aside 2.5 billion dollars to pay bonuses to their New York executive staff.
Lobo Gris
Hey, I just ran across this article on Huff-Post regarding the absolute non-negotiable, non-reviewable authority of the bail-out proposal.... The section 8 clause. I hope that my US reps have enough guts to review and amend the proposal before passing it into law....
Section 8 of proposal:
"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."
Also, we got into this mess by trading in debt, It's like expecting debt to generate money.... People have debt precisely because they have no money... It's as abstract as trying to sell the hole of a bagel.... and then trying to figure out the ways to package that hole so that it looks like a bagel instead of a hole and then dividing the hole by an abstract number to arrive at the derivitive for a bagel hole, and then selling a portion of the repackaged holes to bankers who obviously don't know the difference between a bagle and a hole.
Kinda reminds me of the day when we used to step on the horse and sell the s*#t. Makes me wonder if investment bankers aren't just another kind of drug dealer.... I mean all of the tons of coke being smuggled are backed by somebody's big money...
Section 8 of proposal:
"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."
Ha! How very apropos. For anyone who has never served in armed forces... a "Section 8" is a discharge from the military for being mentally unfit.
We need to Section 8 all of CheneyOilCo's RICO buddies and institutionalize them until they have proven that they are harmless to America.
Dangerous Sociopathic Maniacs!
http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
Bush is on a tear to loot this Nation and burden it's taxpayers as much as he can in the last few weeks of his horrible adimistration! Congress must rise up and protect the people from this financial gang rape while there is still time.
I await to find out with a sinking feeling exactly what a congress who gave all their powers to Bush will do with his missive.
The hour is upon the various fifty states to discern their commitment to this corrupted federal union. No State need stay loyal to a failed confederacy and has a duty to dissolve any ties that will endanger the rights of their citizens.
This country can only fix it's self through the states separating them selves to reform.
If this tide of corruption continues to be treated as a job for the corrupt to manage, we are doomed to their swift path to absolute failure.
Congress, Bush team agree on bailout terms - - - it looks like the American Poor and Middle Classes have been sold down the river to China and the Arabs to fund the GOP life style.
You left out Israel.........
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Ralph Nader :
"Capitalism will never fail because Socialism will always be there to bail it out."
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Looks like Nader doesn't expect to win. I guess he enjoys reaping the benefits of the downtrodden American as much as the next guy. Laughing all the way to the bank?
This looks like an 11th-hour rush to rob the public treasury to prevent a run on the bank. Typical of Democrats, Schumer today expressed reservations, but then conceded to Paulson’s urgency, saying “he [Paulson] knows this market inside and out’” so we have to panic. Oh, does he now; does anybody? Is he trustworthy now, more than he was last August when he said, "We have the strongest global economy I’ve seen in my business lifetime."
How many times does Lucy have to pull away the football, until Charley Brown Democrats wise up? This is another imminent threat; WMD all over again; Powell’s testimony to the UN; Condi’s mushroom cloud; Bush’s yellow cake; Tenet’s slam-dunk; and the war that will pay for itself. Credulous Democrats are on the verge of approving a blank authorization to use force against American workers and taxpayers.
Doug; This orgy of deregulation and corporate thieving has been a Republican debacle.
The housing and Wall Street crises are gifts from the GOP.
Now the GOP wamts to bail out their Republican friends with mostly Democrat's-the middle class's money, while the GOP CEO's and managers walk away loaded.
However, you blast the Democrats.
You all are like people denouncing the WW2 German people but not the Nazi Party.
Hey; The GOP is the Nazi's. Even if the Dem's are looking on. (In a Republican dominated MSM I add.) Let's kill Hitler, then heal our country.
Obama.
translucent September 22nd, 2008 3:02 pm
"Doug; This orgy of deregulation and corporate thieving has been a Republican debacle."
The Democrats have been just as complicit as the Republicans. It was under Clinton that the Glass Steagal act was repealed.
Glass Steagal act:
Provisions that prohibit a bank holding company from owning other financial companies were repealed on November 12, 1999 by a bipartisan, conference committee version of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act signed by President Bill Clinton.
Lobo Gris
Well, I do denounce the people far more than their government, whether it's the Nazi-era German people or the Bush-era American people, or any time in the past when the people have allowed their government to continue to openly commit criminal acts.
Denouncing the Republican Party or the Nazi Party is like denouncing thieves and murderers for being thieves and murderers. Theft is what thieves do, murder is what murderers do.
The majority of the German people voted for, elected and continued to support the murdering, thieving Nazis. The majority (or close enough to it) of the American people voted and continued to support the current murdering, thieving Republican government of the US. The people also elected for the second time the Democrat Clinton, who through continued sanctions and bombings was no less a genocidist than Bush. "U.S." or US is us: the government of and by the people.
The thieving murderers that run this country can do so only at the pleasure of the masses who support them, who pay them, who allow them to rule. It does absolutely no good to rant and rave about lying, thieving, murders when the people insist on voting for lying, thieving, murders election after election.
It's comforting to blame the bad guys, that way you can say, as many do, that Americans are good people who keep being unlucky to have a bad government.
Bullfeathers!!!
The people are the government, not merely the people among them they choose to represent them.
I believe that the most profoundly truthful and useful anti-war
song is The Universal Soldier, by Buffy St-Marie (google the lyrics if you don't know it). The universal soldier really is to blame. Support the troops who knowingly kill the innocent? - and all killed by the aggressors are innocent when they invade a country that has done them no wrong as in Vietnam or Iraq. In the same way as the soldier, the people really are to blame: the people are the government, not just those they elect to represent them.
Do we have a government of murderers and thieves? Then in a government of the people by the people, the people are also murders and thieves.
If you want to change the government, you are going have to change the people.
Good luck on that. First Nation peoples are still waiting.
Thanks you for your thoughtful reply. And I agree that to change the government, people will have to change.
But their nature or their awareness?
The latter. When people become aware of their material goods, standard of living slipping away from them before their eyes it is their nature to fight violently against this.
People's nature won't change, nor motivations until their circumstances radically deteriorate. The weakest segments of society have already been burned, the poor and elderly. As this spreads to the middle class, people will change. Violently.
Obama.
Or McCain to hurry the process up.
Translucent,
I don't disagree, but they've done it with the complicity and political cowardice of many Democrats, who joined with (unanimous) Republicans to vote for NAFTA and GATT; off-shore banking; credits for relocation to China; bankruptcy reform (for "whining" peasants); for Phil Gramm's repeal of FDR's Galss-Steagall Act; FISA, etc. Furthermore, Obama has some of the same advisors like Bob Ruben and Larry Summers that pushed farce-trade agreements and globalization.
Ours is a bipartisan corporatocracy, the best that money can buy. Recently Wall Street has been investing more money in Dems than Reps as they sense the wind shift. It's called hedging and they're experts at it. They expect something for their money, and they usually get it.
How many Leibermans and Zell Millers are still hiding under blue skirts? The Democratic Party needs a spine implant.
Doug Terpstra September 22nd, 2008 4:43 pm
"The Democratic Party needs a spine implant."
We need to replace the Democrats with people that have spines already.
Lobo Gris
Spinelesness is mandatory for Dems. But they have memory traces of decency.
Republicans have spine. But are plutocratic rapists.
What a blessing it might be if a real name figure, a Gore or Kucinich hypothetically, disavowed the Democratic party and went Green, Independent.
Then began building a 3rd party from the bottom up and the top down simultaneously.
yah, those poor witless democrats, helpless to such ferocious power. The people would do the world a favor if they just rolled up their sleeves and saved the stranded souls from the Federal hell they all find themselves living in. Forget about bailing out wall street, the democrats need it more.
The NYT's front page shows a smiling Bush urging Democrats in Congress to HURRY and pass this bailout.
In the article the word stampeded is used.
For a great quick read; Informed Comment, by Juan Cole, Today.
Here's what else The People have gotten when W cried "HURRY":
USA PATRIOT Act
Military Commissions Act
FISA protect my ass from prosecution forever Act
Other assorted pecks and probes at the desiccated husk of the Constitution.
Seems about time for The People to reach for the tube of K-Y jell to ease the pain that's on its way.
Not being an economistician, my speculation could be well off the mark: if these great financial institutions fall wouldn't related international institutions also fall? If any of the CEOs keep their personal assets in offshore banks, then wouldn't they loose their shirts completely? (I'm imagining Swiss bank accounts here)
Samski September 22nd, 2008 2:31 pm
"If any of the CEOs keep their personal assets in offshore banks, then wouldn't they loose their shirts completely? (I'm imagining Swiss bank accounts here)"
No, because American investment banks fail does not mean Swiss Banks will also. Foreign banks that have a presence in the U.S. and have fallen into the same greed trap as U.S. banks may also be in trouble though. I heard Deutche bank, for example may be in trouble.
Lobo Gris
No "economisticion" degree is required to see behind the curtain. This too is likely to fail, simply because they have strangled the golden goose, the American consumer. Housing is the snowball's tipping point; retail (most of our GDP) is the cliff, where job losses will free-fall. Robbing the public treasury and shoveling it into empty bank vaults will not stop the snowball.
We won't solve this problem with the same thinking and by the same guys that created it. Let the financial firms go down if they haven't got a viable business model. It is they who screamed for "deregulation." Let them eat their own dogfood.
On the other hand, when the Japanese had a similar meltdown in the early 1990s they didn't bailout the financial firms. Instead they put a lot of money into public infrastructure projects which helped keep their GDP up and created a lot of jobs and work. Given our deteriorating public infrastructure this would be a lot better use of 700 billion bucks.
nomobush September 22nd, 2008 2:16 pm
"Instead they put a lot of money into public infrastructure projects which helped keep their GDP up and created a lot of jobs and work. Given our deteriorating public infrastructure this would be a lot better use of 700 billion bucks."
It also would be beneficial to halt the tax breaks given to the multi national corporations that encourage them to move overseas to low wage areas of the world and to start moving manufacturing back to the U.S.
Lobo Gris
How can a small group of elitist men/women develop such as expensive plan so quickly? As a National Science Foundation funded scientist, our proposals are peer reviewed which takes months. Major projects often take many years of vetting by external groups, all wanting to see milestones, management plans and month-by-month spending and achievement goals. Tens of thousands of man-hours can be spent just generating the plans before funding is approved.
And now this. Back-room plans by people whom I would not even lend a dime to are committing us to a $700B plan, with almost no justification other than "we need to move quickly".
This is wrong.
Pickpockets have to be quick.
Joe
Pickpockets have to be quick.
Joe