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Ketchup, a petite 22-year-old from Chicago with wavy red hair and glasses with bright red frames, arrived in Zuccotti Park in New York on Sept. 17. She had a tent, a rolling suitcase, 40 dollars’ worth of food, the graphic version of Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History of the United States” and a sleeping bag. She had no return ticket, no idea what she was undertaking, and no acquaintances among the stragglers who joined her that afternoon to begin the Wall Street occupation. She decided to go to New York after reading the Canadian magazine Adbusters, which called for the occupation, although she noted that when she got to the park Adbusters had no discernable presence.
The lords of finance in the looming towers surrounding the park, who toy with money and lives, who make the political class, the press and the judiciary jump at their demands, who destroy the ecosystem for profit and drain the U.S. Treasury to gamble and speculate, took little notice of Ketchup or any of the other scruffy activists on the street below them. The elites consider everyone outside their sphere marginal or invisible. And what significance could an artist who paid her bills by working as a waitress have for the powerful? What could she and the others in Zuccotti Park do to them? What threat can the weak pose to the strong? Those who worship money believe their buckets of cash, like the $4.6 million JPMorgan Chase gave a few days ago to the New York City Police Foundation, can buy them perpetual power and security. Masters all, kneeling before the idols of the marketplace, blinded by their self-importance, impervious to human suffering, bloated from unchecked greed and privilege, they were about to be taught a lesson in the folly of hubris.
Even now, three weeks later, elites, and their mouthpieces in the press, continue to puzzle over what people like Ketchup want. Where is the list of demands? Why don’t they present us with specific goals? Why can’t they articulate an agenda?
The goal to people like Ketchup is very, very clear. It can be articulated in one word—REBELLION. These protesters have not come to work within the system. They are not pleading with Congress for electoral reform. They know electoral politics is a farce and have found another way to be heard and exercise power. They have no faith, nor should they, in the political system or the two major political parties. They know the press will not amplify their voices, and so they created a press of their own. They know the economy serves the oligarchs, so they formed their own communal system. This movement is an effort to take our country back.
This is a goal the power elite cannot comprehend. They cannot envision a day when they will not be in charge of our lives. The elites believe, and seek to make us believe, that globalization and unfettered capitalism are natural law, some kind of permanent and eternal dynamic that can never be altered. What the elites fail to realize is that rebellion will not stop until the corporate state is extinguished. It will not stop until there is an end to the corporate abuse of the poor, the working class, the elderly, the sick, children, those being slaughtered in our imperial wars and tortured in our black sites. It will not stop until foreclosures and bank repossessions stop. It will not stop until students no longer have to go into debt to be educated, and families no longer have to plunge into bankruptcy to pay medical bills. It will not stop until the corporate destruction of the ecosystem stops, and our relationships with each other and the planet are radically reconfigured. And that is why the elites, and the rotted and degenerate system of corporate power they sustain, are in trouble. That is why they keep asking what the demands are. They don’t understand what is happening. They are deaf, dumb and blind.
(photo: hunter.gatherer)
“The world can’t continue on its current path and survive,” Ketchup told me. “That idea is selfish and blind. It’s not sustainable. People all over the globe are suffering needlessly at our hands.”
The occupation of Wall Street has formed an alternative community that defies the profit-driven hierarchical structures of corporate capitalism. If the police shut down the encampment in New York tonight, the power elite will still lose, for this vision and structure have been imprinted into the thousands of people who have passed through park, renamed Liberty Plaza by the protesters. The greatest gift the occupation has given us is a blueprint for how to fight back. And this blueprint is being transferred to cities and parks across the country.
“We get to the park,” Ketchup says of the first day. “There’s madness for a little while. There were a lot of people. They were using megaphones at first. Nobody could hear. Then someone says we should get into circles and talk about what needed to happen, what we thought we could accomplish. And so that’s what we did. There was a note-taker in each circle. I don’t know what happened with those notes, probably nothing, but it was a good start. One person at a time, airing your ideas. There was one person saying that he wasn’t very hopeful about what we could accomplish here, that he wasn’t very optimistic. And then my response was that, well, we have to be optimistic, because if anybody’s going to get anything done, it’s going be us here. People said different things about what our priorities should be. People were talking about the one-demand idea. Someone called for AIG executives to be prosecuted. There was someone who had come from Spain to be there, saying that she was here to help us avoid the mistakes that were made in Spain. It was a wide spectrum. Some had come because of their own personal suffering or what they saw in the world.”
“After the circles broke I felt disheartened because it was sort of chaotic,” she said. “I didn’t have anybody there, so it was a little depressing. I didn’t know what was going to happen.”
“Over the past few months, people had been meeting in New York City general assembly,” she said. “One of them is named Brooke. She’s a professor of social ecology. She did my facilitation training. There’s her and a lot of other people, students, school teachers, different people who were involved with that … so they organized a general assembly.”
“It’s funny that the cops won’t let us use megaphones, because it’s to make our lives harder, but we actually end up making a much louder sound [with the “people’s mic”] and I imagine it’s much more annoying to the people around us,” she said. “I had been in the back, unable to hear. I walked to different parts of the circle. I saw this man talking in short phrases and people were repeating them. I don’t know whose idea it was, but that started on the first night. The first general assembly was a little chaotic because people had no idea … a general assembly, what is this for? At first it was kind of grandstanding about what were our demands. Ending corporate personhood is one that has come up again and again as a favorite and. … What ended up happening was, they said, OK, we’re going to break into work groups.
“People were worried we were going to get kicked out of the park at 10 p.m. This was a major concern. There were tons of cops. I’ve heard that it’s costing the city a ton of money to have constant surveillance on a bunch of peaceful protesters who aren’t hurting anyone. With the people’s mic, everything we do is completely transparent. We know there are undercover cops in the crowd. I think I was talking to one last night, but it’s like, what are you trying to accomplish? We don’t have any secrets.”
“The undercover cops are the only ones who ask, ‘Who’s the leader?’ ” she said. “Presumably, if they know who our leaders are they can take them out. The fact is we have no leader. There’s no leader, so there’s nothing they can do.
“There was a woman [in the medics unit]. This guy was pretending to be a reporter. The first question he asks is, ‘Who’s the leader?’ She goes, ‘I’m the leader.’ And he says, ‘Oh yeah, what are you in charge of?’ She says, ‘I’m in a charge of everything.’ He says, ‘Oh yeah? What’s your title?’ She says ‘God.’ ”
“So it’s 9:30 p.m. and people are worried that they’re going to try and rush us out of the camp,” she said, referring back to the first day. “At 9:30 they break into work groups. I joined the group on contingency plans. The job of the bedding group was to find cardboard for people to sleep on. The contingency group had to decide what to do if they kick us out. The big decision we made was to announce to the group that if we were dispersed we were going to meet back at 10 a.m. the next day in the park. Another group was arts and culture. What was really cool was that we assumed we were going to be there more than one night. There was a food group. They were going dumpster diving. The direct action committee plans for direct, visible action like marches. There was a security team. It’s security against the cops. The cops are the only people we think that might hurt us. The security team keeps people awake in shifts. They always have people awake.”
The work groups make logistical decisions, and the general assembly makes large policy decisions.
“Work groups make their own decisions,” Ketchup said. “For example, someone donated a laptop. And because I’ve been taking minutes I keep running around and asking, ‘Does someone have a laptop I could borrow?’ The media team, upon receiving that laptop, designated it to me for my use on behalf of the Internet committee. The computer isn’t mine. When I go back to Chicago, I’m not going to take it. Right now I don’t even know where it is. Someone else is using it. But so, after hearing this, people thought it had been gifted to me personally. People were upset by that. So a member of the Internet work group went in front of the group and said, ‘This is a need of the committee. It’s been put into Ketchup’s care.’ They explained that to the group, but didn’t ask for consensus on it, because the committees are empowered. Some people might still think that choice was inappropriate. In the future, it might be handled differently.”
Working groups blossomed in the following days. The media working group was joined by a welcome working group for new arrivals, a sanitation working group (some members of which go around the park on skateboards as they carry brooms), a legal working group with lawyers, an events working group, an education working group, medics, a facilitation working group (which trains new facilitators for the general assembly meetings), a public relations working group, and an outreach working group for like-minded communities as well as the general public. There is an Internet working group and an open source technology working group. The nearby McDonald’s is the principal bathroom for the park after Burger King banned protesters from its facilities.
Caucuses also grew up in the encampment, including a “Speak Easy caucus.” “That’s a caucus I started,” Ketchup said. “It is for a broad spectrum of individuals from female-bodied people who identify as women to male-bodied people who are not traditionally masculine. That’s called the ‘Speak Easy’ caucus. I was just talking to a woman named Sharon who’s interested in starting a caucus for people of color.
“A caucus gives people a safe space to talk to each other without people from the culture of their oppressors present. It gives them greater power together, so that if the larger group is taking an action that the caucus felt was specifically against their interests, then the caucus can block that action. Consensus can potentially still be reached after a caucus blocks something, but a block, or a ‘paramount objection,’ is really serious. You’re saying that you are willing to walk out.”
“We’ve done a couple of things so far,” she said. “So, you know the live stream? The comments are moderated on the live stream. There are moderators who remove racist comments, comments that say ‘I hate cops’ or ‘Kill cops.’ They remove irrelevant comments that have nothing to do with the movement. There is this woman who is incredibly hardworking and intelligent. She has been the driving force of the finance committee. Her hair is half-blond and half-black. People were referring to her as “blond-black hottie.” These comments weren’t moderated, and at one point whoever was running the camera took the camera off her face and did a body scan. So, that was one of the first things the caucus talked about. We decided as a caucus that I would go to the moderators and tell them this is a serious problem. If you’re moderating other offensive comments then you need to moderate these kinds of offensive comments.”
The heart of the protest is the two daily meetings, held in the morning and the evening. The assemblies, which usually last about two hours, start with a review of process, which is open to change and improvement, so people are clear about how the assembly works. Those who would like to speak raise their hand and get on “stack.”
“There’s a stack keeper,” Ketchup said. “The stack keeper writes down your name or some signifier for you. A lot of white men are the people raising their hands. So, anyone who is not apparently a white man gets to jump stack. The stack keeper will make note of the fact that the person who put their hand up was not a white man and will arrange the list so that it’s not dominated by white men. People don’t get called up in the same order as they raise their hand.”
While someone is speaking, their words amplified by the people’s mic, the crowd responds through hand signals.
“Putting your fingers up like this,” she said, holding her hands up and wiggling her fingers, “means you like what you’re hearing, or you’re in agreement. Like this,” she said, holding her hands level and wiggling her fingers, “means you don’t like it so much. Fingers down, you don’t like it at all; you’re not in agreement. Then there’s this triangle you make with your hand that says ‘point of process.’ So, if you think that something is not being respected within the process that we’ve agreed to follow then you can bring that up.”
“You wait till you’re called,” she said. “These rules get abused all the time, but they are important. We start with agenda items, which are proposals or group discussions. Then working group report-backs, so you know what every working group is doing. Then we have general announcements. The agenda items have been brought to the facilitators by the working groups because you need the whole group to pay attention. Like last night, Legal brought up a discussion on bail: ‘Can we agree that the money from the general funds can be allotted if someone needs bail?’ And the group had to come to consensus on that. [It decided yes.] There’s two co-facilitators, a stack keeper, a timekeeper, a vibes-person making sure that people are feeling OK, that people’s voices aren’t getting stomped on, and then if someone’s being really disruptive, the vibes-person deals with them. There’s a note-taker—I end up doing that a lot because I type very, very quickly. We try to keep the facilitation team one man, one woman, or one female-bodied person, one male-bodied person. When you facilitate multiple times it’s rough on your brain. You end up having a lot of criticism thrown your way. You need to keep the facilitators rotating as much as possible. It needs to be a huge, huge priority to have a strong facilitation group.”
“People have been yelled out of the park,” she said. “Someone had a sign the other day that said ‘Kill the Jew Bankers.’ They got screamed out of the park. Someone else had a sign with the N-word on it. That person’s sign was ripped up, but that person is apparently still in the park.
“We’re trying to make this a space that everyone can join. This is something the caucuses are trying to really work on. We are having workshops to get people to understand their privilege.”
But perhaps the most important rule adopted by the protesters is nonviolence and nonaggression against the police, no matter how brutal the police become.
“The cops, I think, maced those women in the face and expected the men and women around them to start a riot,” Ketchup said. “They want a riot. They can deal with a riot. They cannot deal with nonviolent protesters with cameras.”
I tell Ketchup I will bring her my winter sleeping bag. It is getting cold. She will need it. I leave her in a light drizzle and walk down Broadway. I pass the barricades, uniformed officers on motorcycles, the rows of paddy wagons and lines of patrol cars that block the streets into the financial district and surround the park. These bankers, I think, have no idea what they are up against.
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Show Allanything is possible. thank you ketchup and chris hedges.
http://libcom.org/history/seattle-general-strike-1919
...peace...
Was it not just a few weeks ago that Hedges was writing that all was lost and that the only sane course of action was to give up and retreat into personal intellectual pursuits? Look in the CD archives not more than a month ago to read that. Now a bunch of young people ignores his advice exactly and he proclaims that the elites are in trouble!
Well, until recently it did seem "all was lost". It still may all be lost. But we know the darkest hours comes just before the dawn. Go with it, enjoy, celebrate this parting of the clouds while its here. I have a feeling a lot of authentic relationships are being made right now that will come into play later.
It seemed so to Hedges, he was roundly countered in these comment boards for exactly that position, and a few weeks later he takes a 180 degree opposite position - such "leadership!"
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" Ralph Waldo Emerson
And that's one of the most over-used, misunderstood statements ever uttered.
"Us?" Your arrogance knows no bounds. A bourgeoisie poser like yourself can hardly claim to represent OWS. Furthermore I support OWS and all movements of the working class against the oligarchy.
You on the other hand try to undermine class solidarity with your new age spritualist nonsense. Your goal is not social justice and equality; instead you seek to convert others to your impotent spiritualist approach. You see yourself as more enlightened than the masses. In fact you are ignorant and regressive, and your approach is a dead end.
BTW, one can't really be subtle and transparent in one's approach, you ignoramus.
your negative comments stink to the high heavens,take them elsewhere!! ho ka hey/it is a good time to live
You're yelling leftist, whatever his/her login is, out of the park. Good for tou.
I'm actually involved in the occupy movement in my city. It's HEDGES that had negative column after negative column, stating that nothing could be done and that it was time to start navel-gazing. This was not more than a month ago, and now all down the Memory Hole!
Why, I wonder...and wherefrom, comes this constant tendency to want to bash Chris Hedges? He has always said that revolution may be the only option left in confronting power. He doesn't openly advocate violent resistance, but I know he's aware of the possibility that it might be the only avenue open to change (shit!!!...there's that word again).
Hedges is one of the few revolutionaries today who comes to us with a spiritual foundation and this, coupled with a great intellect, makes him worthy of our attention. The intellect isn't a bad back-up for raw emotion. If he appears to vacilate, perhaps it's because he has a view to the grander scheme where all things are in flux. Thus, from that point of view, he illustrates the danger of trying to force the Occupy movement into rigid categories. His encounter with Ketchup is revealing as to the workings of this wonderful, if embryonic, people's village that we can only hope indicates the shape of a world to come. I know I'd sooner trust folks with "Ketchup consciousness" than any of the trogs and dumbos in the seats of power now.
At any rate, I'm holding in mind what Irish writer James Stephens said about the Irish Uprising of 1916: "It is possible that before any movement can attain to really national proportions there must be, as well as the intellectual ideal which gives it utterance and frame, a sense of economic misfortune to give it weight, and when these fuse the combination may well be irresistible." Are we approaching critical mass and fusion? We have the ideal and many examples of the misfortune before us. And thanks, Chris, for lending your intellect to the mix.
Hedges spent a career dutifully reporting the news in the usual way and then after a personal spiritual journey (maybe) and/or just having reached a level of financial security he starts making leftist noises - always very doom and gloom ones, all is lost, it's the new Dark Ages, don't even bother protesting - and somehow elbows his way to Leftist Leader in a very short period of time. If you're one of the millions who've been slogging it out on the trenches for decades while he collected paychecks it's rather disconcerting.
thanks, em, for sharing your perspective. i admire chris hedges and feel he's consistant in that he listens to his own moral compass. seems like a lot of people feel more comfortable arguing knee-jerk inferences (straw men), rather than looking at the bigger picture. takes some effort to connect the dots. gee, if each person would check his own moral compass before attempting to adjust his neighbor's, we might actually progress toward a more sustainable system. last week chris hedges appeared on a canadian station with kevin o'leary, canada's own answer to rush limbaugh. only a couple of minutes, but take a look!
http://rabble.ca/rabbletv/program-guide/2011/10/best-net/cbcs-kevin-oleary-gets-schooled-occupy-movement-chris-hedges
Like the saying/song goes, "its not what you do its the way that you do it, and thats what really counts". A brittlemind is a brittlemind, left, right or off the grid. "Its not what you know its the way that you know it, and thats what really counts".
Well sorry but this guy is on my F list. As in F^&^&* him. The pedigree of Harvard, New York Times and then the theses of his book "War Is a Force that Gives Us Meaning" makes me ill,
"And yet there is a part of me that remains nostalgic for war's simplicity and high. The enduring attraction of war is this: Even with its destruction and carnage it gives us what we all long for in life. It gives us purpose, meaning, a reason for living. Only when we are in the midst of conflict does the shallowness and vapidness of our lives become apparent."
He was writing this around 2002 so War was cool then.
Sorry but to me he sounds like shallow clever man who manipulates words for a given moment and not much more. He should get a job picking cotton and then maybe he will learn something.
listen to his own account:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2SaM8RJ30c
As the popular wisdom has it, you can always tell a Harvard man; you just can't tell him very much.
As the popular wisdom has it, you can always tell a Harvard man, you just can't tell him very much.
On the other hand, of course, he did produce a very clear, revealing, and even entertaining account of how the protesters work, whereas some of us can't manage a simple two line comment, Nobody's perfect.
Not true at all. Hedges has always been calling for acts of civil disobedience and out-rite rebellion. I would say that if you were really an "actualleftist" you wouldn't be so quick to criticize one of the only true intelligent voices on the left.
RE: JPMorgan Chase
A year or so ago I received a "new improved" Sears card combined with a Master Card -- under the authorization of JPMorgan Chase Bank, N.A. I haven't used the card in a year, mostly because the Chase Bank part creeped me out, but rather than let the card rot in the drawer, I think I'm going to take the time to close the account (I've had a Sears account for over 25 years), return the card in pieces, and tell Sears why I won't be doing anymore business with them. Any takers?
Do it!!! Every little bit helps. I've had the same experience and don't miss Sears one little bit.
Sears financial services have been bank managed for many years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discover_Card
The scene reminds me of early Christians, lying low in the catacombs of Rome, living their lives according to standards different from the citizens all around them. "What rough beast slouches towards Bethlehem to be born..."
regarding:
But perhaps the most important rule adopted by the protesters is nonviolence and nonaggression against the police, no matter how brutal the police become.
“The cops, I think, maced those women in the face and expected the men and women around them to start a riot,” Ketchup said. “They want a riot. They can deal with a riot. They cannot deal with nonviolent protesters with cameras.
Spot on.
pax to all.
Yes, that part of this excellent essay grabbed me too, after I thought I'd been securely grabbed already. Hedges had the sensitivity and intelligence to give this piece over to Ketchup, for which I am grateful.
Elizabeth, well said.
Ketchup, and all those of the 99% who want to be involved with and appreciate what the Occupy movement/revolution’s “demand” could simply, honestly, understandably, inclusively, and compelling be articulately as should read Howard Zinn’s later and more revealing book, “A People’s History of American EMPIRE”!
Alan MacDonald
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I think Chris Hedges' reportorial skills took over. That was his original stock in trade, after all. Standing back and looking at the reporting in the piece, it is admirably skillful, is it not? We feel very close to the subject of the piece by the time it's over.
I am grateful to Hedges for paragraphs 2 through 5. Those are the ideas, and the kind of writing that make you want to stand up and cheer.
While I'm not a pacifist, in this situation, a zero-tolerance policy towards violence will allow agent provocateurs to be more easily identified. While I'm not wholly against anarchist black bloc tactics, they have to realize how easily they are infiltrated.
Agree 100%
I agree, Aberfan, and everyone else. The paragraph about the macing is key. And thanks, Hedges, for letting Ketchup carry the ball and yet clearly articulating the simple and radical human truth these people are carrying. Another world IS possible. The banksters and warmongers and cops may try to kill our hope, but they cannot kill our simple idea, the rejection of death for profit, and the affirmation of life over death in its every possible manifestation on our planet.
Well Said Clovis,
The energy exists to manifest a new direction in our country, Yet "power concedes nothing without a struggle, Never has and never will" (Dubois et al). We enter the long night in America full of hope and promise but there will be "difficult days ahead". The forward movement of Life calls for energy from those who would be its salvation.
From the article:
"There was a woman [in the medics unit]. This guy was pretending to be a reporter. The first question he asks is, ‘Who’s the leader?’ She goes, ‘I’m the leader.’ And he says, ‘Oh yeah, what are you in charge of?’ She says, ‘I’m in charge of everything.’ He says, ‘Oh yeah? What’s your title?’ She says ‘God.’ ”
Utterly priceless. It would seem that the protesters have become hip to CointelPro and are not as naive as many in power take them to be.
"Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear."-Harry Truman
I'll tell you, there might have been something like tears gathering in my eyes as I read this. Must be something in the air?
Freedom?
Manysummits
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If this article does'nt once again even more deeply imprint into the public consciousness Chris Hedges consistent, innate journalistic genius, nothing will!
What appeared to me even more exciting, was the overlay of darkness with which essayist Hedges usually colors his pieces was delightfully absent!!!!
Yeah, Michael, my tears are making it hard to read.
Thanks Chris and Ketchup. You both are very patriotic Americans who are fulfilling their obligation to participate in our democracy. I applaud you both as you stand up to power.
Hoa binh
Hoa binh, I know you mean well and I'm not attacking nor bashing you, but please reconsider your use of the term patriotism. It is a tool of the war machine.
There are many words written by respectable and honorable people explaining it.
Emma Goldman is one.
http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/goldmanpatriotism.html
Sincerely, Buck
If the word "patriotism" has become a tool of the war maching, then it is time that we take it back, along with our country, and restore it to its true meaning.
Read the essay offered above.
Here are some shorts-
To me, it seems a dreadful indignity to have a soul controlled by geography. ~George Santayana
Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons. ~Bertrand Russell
Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them! ~Albert Einstein
Patriotism is often an arbitrary veneration of real estate above principles. ~George Jean Nathan
Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. ~George Bernard Shaw
You'll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race. ~George Bernard Shaw
I am not an Athenian or a Greek, I am a citizen of the world. ~Socrates
To him in whom love dwells, the whole world is but one family. ~Buddha
This isn't new - Buck
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism"--Senator J. William Fulbright
"To criticize one's country is to do it a service and pay it a compliment. It is a service because it may spur the country to do better than it is doing; it is a compliment because it evidences a belief that the country can do better than it is doing....
"In a democracy dissent is an act of faith .... Criticism may embarass a country's leaders in the short run but strengthen their hand in the long run; it may destroy a consensus on policy while expressing a consensus of values.... there is also, or ought to be, such a thing as being too confident to conform, too strong to be silent in the face of apparent error. Criticism, in short, is more than a right; it is an act of patriotism, a higher form of patriotism...." (p. 25, "The Arrogance of Power," 1966)
I once assigned this book to students, and it still retains its usefulness.
Sorry, but dissent is not patriotism. Different concepts, not inclusive to one another. The senator, that's as in senator, any senator, every senator has every motivation to play the patriot card even if praising dissent. It promotes belief in the system that created his position.
And this is the segregationist senator that fought the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act and signed the Southern Manifesto is it not? My, my!
Fulbright was explianing his decision as Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to oppose the Vietnam War, specifically to those promoting the usual "My Country Right or Wrong" line and the later "America, Love it or Leave it." Such was the sentiment of MLK, too. You may not see it as an aphorism, but many like Zinn, Chomsky, MLK, Fulbright, etc., agree that it is one. One aspect of it I used to introduce into discussion: Doesn't this constitute Doublethink? ("1984" was also on the reading list.)
Martin Luther King, Howard Zinn, and Noam Chomski along side fulbright. Utter nonsense!
To think that you held fulbright up as a person to be admired is shameful. Did you teach them what a swell civic minded guy McCarthy was, also? He was a real patriot.
Hello Buck,
I never said I held Fulbright in any amount of esteem, and I've certainly read/heard of the people you listed. And yes, I did teach students all about Eugene McCarthy, as well as those who came before him, and the methods and institutions used. But by 1966, Fulbright was tired of being lied to and penned his mea culpa after making a very similar statement in a Senate speech--He was a Yes man saying he was wrong to have said so many yesses. You do know Zinn made the same statement Fulbright did, as many an OWS poster notes. Do you want to tell them they're wrong too?
karlof1, You are a reasonable man and I'd guess a fine teacher. The Eugene line was clever and inspired, and made me chuckle. Thanks for maintaining a civil tone. Mine wavered, sorry.
I hold people like fulbright in contempt, regardless of how many choruses of Amazing Grace they sing. He was in no position to call others liars, vis a vi, the pot and kettle.
Zinn was an eternal optimist and, understandably so, believed change could be made through the system.
Yes, I would tell anyone that believes in patriotism that they are misguided. Now, let's all say a pledge, then stand with hands over hearts and sing the war song. Don't forget to shout blood curdling approval when the featured singer highlights the rockets' red glare.
It was the formation of nation states which brung us here. They artificially divide people. Allegiance should be towards Nature, the source of Life, not a phony manmade institution.
Thanks for your reply, Buck, and the further explanation you provided. We agree far more than we don't. I especially agree with your view of the nation-state and the tribalism/nationalism it perpetuates, while preventing the direct support we ought to be giving the planet and its ecosystems. Hopefully, the challenge to mitigate Global Warming will force people to reach beyond borders, become Earthers and thus shed the confining provincialism of tribalism/nationalism impeding human solidarity. Best.
Buck, your my man today: I wonder who is gonna sponsor the Expatriot act? Give credit where credit is due. And Fulbright doesn't make the list. Nationalism through Capitalism is just a mistaken system. Earthism not Nationalism: But what will the Aliens say? Hope they are nature lovers to!
karlof-1, I gotta' tell ya', this is nibbling at my craw. Let's start from the top. Look at the names on the list of quotes I posted. Take your time, ready. Have you heard of any of them? And you think you are refuting the nonsense of the phony destructive emotion called patriotism by quoting the lying racist peckerhead fulbright. The lying racist peckerhead Jim Crow holdout didn't just vote for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, HE SPONSORED IT!
This is what he said while fighting to keep people with darker skin out of the schools:
"This unwarranted exercise of power by the Court, contrary to the Constitution, is creating chaos and confusion in the States principally affected. It is destroying the amicable relations between the white and Negro races that have been created through 90 years of patient effort by the good people of both races. It has planted hatred and suspicion where there has been heretofore friendship and understanding."
I wonder what Martin L. King would have to say about him.
If they had the internet in the sixties and someone googled "lying racists with power", fulbright's name would flash at the top right along side thurmund.
This is the man you chose to counter the list of humanists I quoted.