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The Great Tax Con Job
A very small niche of America's uber-wealthy have pulled off what may well be the biggest con job in the history of our republic, and they did it in a startlingly brief 30 or so years. True, they spent over three billion dollars to make it happen, but the reward to them was in the hundreds of billions - and will continue to be.
As my friend and colleague Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks pointed out in a Daily Kos blog recently, billionaire Rupert Murdoch loses $50 million a year on the NY Post, billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife loses $2 to $3 million a year on the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, billionaire Philip Anschutz loses around $5 million a year on The Weekly Standard, and billionaire Sun Myung Moon has lost $2 to $3 billion on The Washington Times.
Why are these guys willing to lose so much money funding "conservative" media? Why do they bulk-buy every right-wing book that comes out to throw it to the top of the NY Times Bestseller list and then give away the copies to "subscribers" to their websites and publications? Why do they fund to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars a year money-hole "think tanks" like Heritage and Cato?
The answer is pretty straightforward. They do it because it buys them respectability, and gets their con job out there. Even though William Kristol's publication is a money-losing joke (with only 85,000 subscribers!), his association with the Standard was enough to get him on TV talk shows whenever he wants, and a column with The New York Times. The Washington Times catapulted Tony Blankley to stardom.
"Fellowships" and other forms of indirect sponsorship of right-wing talk show hosts have made otherwise-marginal shows and their hosts ubiquitous, and such sponsorships of groups like Norquist's anti-tax "Americans for Tax Reform" regularly get people like him front-and-center in any debate on taxation in the United States.
All so they could run a tax con on the American people, thus keeping Moon and Murdoch and Scaife and Anschutz (and others) richer than you or I could ever even imagine.
All of this money was spent - invested, really, since it's been more than saved back in low income tax rates on millionaires and billionaires - to convince Americans that up is down and black is white when it comes to income taxes. Here's how it works:
Rich Person's Tax Effect
If a person earns so much money that he doesn't or can't spend it all each year, then when his taxes go down your income after taxes goes up. This is largely because there's little to no relationship between what he "needs to live on" and what he's "earning."
Somebody living on a million dollars a year but earning five million after taxes, can sock away four million in a Swiss bank. If his taxes go up enough to drop his after-tax income to only three million a year, he's still living on a million a year, and only socks away two million in the Swiss bank. His "disposable" income goes down when his taxes go up, and vice-versa. (Technically, the word is "discretionary" income for after-tax, after-living-expenses income, but "disposable" income has become so widely used as a phrase to describe discretionary income I'll use it here.)
The Rich Person's Tax Effect is the one that virtually all Americans understand - and, oddly, most working class people think applies to them, too (this is the truly amazing part of the con job referred to earlier).
But it doesn't.
Working Person's Tax Effect - version one
Most working people spend pretty much all of what they earn - their "disposable/discretionary" income is close to zero. Savings rates in the US among working people typically are small - one to five percent - and during the last few years of the W. Bush administration actually went negative. So the take-home pay that people have after taxes - regardless of what the taxes may be - is pretty much what they live on.
As economist David Ricardo pointed out in 1817 in the "On Wages" chapter of his book "On the Principles of Political Economy and Taxation," take home pay is also generally "what a person will work for." Employers know this: Ricardo's "Iron Law of Wages" is rooted in the notion that there is a "market" for labor, driven in part by supply and demand. So if a worker is earning, for example, a gross salary of $75,000, his 2008 federal income tax would be about $15,000 ($802.50 on first $8,025 of income; $3,687.75 on income from $8,025 to $32,550; $10,612.50 on income from $32,550 to $75,000), leaving him a take-home pay of $60,000.
Both he and his employer know that he'll do the job he's doing for around $60,000 a year in take-home pay.
So what happens if his taxes go up, cutting his take-home pay to $55,000 a year (even though his gross is still $75,000)? Over time (typically one to three years) his wages will rise enough to compensate for the lost income.
Alan Greenspan used to be hysterical about this effect - he called it "wage inflation" - and The Wall Street Journal and other publications would often reference it, although the average working person has no idea that if his taxes go up, his wages will eventually go up. Similarly, when working-class people's taxes go down, their gross wages will, over time, go down so their inflation-adjusted take-home pay remains the same. We've seen both happen over the past eighty years, over and over again.
When I was in Denmark last year doing my radio show from the Danish Radio offices for a week and interviewing many of that nation's leading politicians, economists, energy experts, and newspaper publishers, one of my guests made a comment that dropped the scales from my own eyes.
We'd been discussing taxes on the air, what the Danes get for their average 52% tax rate (free college education, free health care, 4 weeks of vacation, being the world's "happiest" country according to research reported on CBS's "60 Minutes" TV show, etc.). I asked him why people didn't revolt at such high tax rates, and he smiled and just pointed out to me that the average Dane is very well paid with a minimum wage that equals about $18 US (depending on the exchange rate from day to day).
Off the air, he made the comment to me that was so enlightening. "You Americans are such suckers," he said, as I recall. "You think that the rules for taxes that apply to rich people also apply to working people. But they don't. When working peoples' taxes go up, their pay goes up. When their taxes go down, their pay goes down. It may take a year or two or three to all even out, but it always works this way - look at any country in Europe. And it's the opposite of how it works for rich people!"
Working Person's Tax Effect - Version Two
The other point about taxes - which Obama leveraged with his "no tax increases on people earning under $250,000 a year" pledge - has to do with the fact that our tax structure in the US is progressive.
Here's how it breaks out for a single person from the 2008 federal tax tables:
10% on income between $0 and $8,025
15% on the income between $8,025 and $32,550;
25% on the income between $32,550 and $78,850;
28% on the income between $78,850 and $164,550;
33% on the income between $164,550 and $357,700;
35% on the income over $357,700.
Note that our $75,000/year worker has two full tax brackets above him, which, if they go up, will not affect him at all. (This is also true, of course, for the median-wage and average-wage American workers who earn in the low to mid-$40,000/year range.)
The top tax rate that a person pays is referred to as their "marginal tax rate" (in our worker's case 28%). So what happens if the top marginal tax rate on people making over $357,700 goes up from its current 35% to, for example, the Eisenhower-era 91%?
For over 120 million American workers who don't earn over $357,700/year, it won't mean a thing. But for the tiny handful of millionaires and billionaires who have promoted The Great Tax Con, it will bite hard. And that's why they spend millions to make average working people freak out about increases in the top tax rates.
Income taxes as the "Great Stabilizer"
Beyond fairness and holding back the Landed Gentry the Founders worried about (America had no billionaires in today's money until after the Civil War, with John D. Rockefeller being our first), there's an important reason to increase to top marginal tax rate, and to do so now.
Novelist Larry Beinhart was the first to bring this to my attention. He looked over the history of tax cuts and economic bubbles, and found a clear relationship between the two. High top marginal tax rates (generally well above 60%) on rich people actually stabilize the economy, prevent economic bubbles from forming, prevent economic crashes, and lead to steady and sustained economic growth (and steady and sustained wage growth for working people).
On the other hand, when top marginal rates drop below 50 percent, the opposite happens. As Beinhart noted in a November 17, 2008 post on the Huffington Post, the massive Republican tax cuts of the 1920s (from 73% to 25%) led directly to the Roaring '20s stock market bubble, temporary boom, and then the crash and Republican Great Depression of 1929.
Rates on the very rich went back up into the 70-90% range from the 1930s to the 1980s. As a result, the economy grew steadily; for the first time in the history of our nation we went 50 years without a crash or major bank failure; and working people's wages increased enough to produce the strongest middle class this nation has ever seen.
Then came Reaganomics.
Reagan cut top marginal rates on millionaires and billionaires from 74% down to 38% and there was an immediate surge in the markets - followed by the worst crash since the Great Depression and the failure of virtually the entire nation's savings and loan banking system.
Bush I cut taxes, and the nation fell into a severe recession while debt soared and wages for working people fell.
Things stabilized somewhat when Clinton slightly raised taxes on the very rich, but W. Bush dropped them again - including taking taxes on unearned income (interest and dividends - the "income" that people like W. born with a trust fund "earn" as they sit around the pool waiting for the dividend check to arrive in the mail) down to a top rate of 15%. (That's right - trust fund babies like Bush and Scaife pay a MAXIMUM 15% federal income tax on their dividend and interest income, thanks to the second Bush tax cut.) The result of this surge in easy money for the wealthy, combined with deregulation in the financial markets, was the "froth" Greenspan worried about and led us straight into the Second Republican Great Depression, ongoing today.
The math is really pretty simple. When the uber-rich are heavily taxed, economies prosper and wages for working people steadily rise. When taxes are cut for the rich, working people suffer and economies turn into casinos.
Roll Back The Reagan Tax Cuts
While there's much discussion about letting the Bush tax cuts expire, if we really want our country to recover its financial footing we must do something altogether different. We need to roll back the Reagan tax cuts that took the top marginal rate from above 70% down into the 30% range.
First, though, we have to help Americans realize that "no new taxes" is a mantra that is meaningful to the very rich, but largely irrelevant to average working people.
Only when the current generation re-learns the economic and tax lessons well known by the generation (now dying off) that came of age in the 30s through the 60s, will this become politically possible. Americans need to learn what Europeans know about taxes - they only matter to the rich.
Thus today the uber-rich are spending hundreds of millions to make sure words like "burden" are always associated with the word "tax," and to convince average working people that they should throw out of office any politicians who are willing to raise taxes on the rich.
We have a lot of education to do...and as long as the Right Wing Machine of the uber-rich continues to "lose" (e.g. "invest") millions of dollars a year in their ongoing disinformation campaign, it's going to require all of us reciting the mantra, "Roll back the Reagan tax cuts!"
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Show AllWhat a great article. Hartmann not only completely eviscerates the supply-side arguments used by the right to justify their destruction of the US economy but also gives details of how much the undeserving rich are willing to pay to perpetuate the anti-tax fantasy among the working classes.
Of course, you will never see or hear this kind of analysis in the corporate media, especially not on NPR.
The French had a rather brutal but effective plan for dealing with this kind of exploitation.
I'm going to send this article to my right-wing Reagan-worshipping associates.
Good job, Thom.
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I agree, great article, very illustrative in explaining how tax structures work.
I agree completely, this article was very informative on tax structures. Apart from the right/left/blue/red debate which somehow works it way into any and every article here, the basic information was very helpful, and with Thom's ability to insert bits and pieces of history to make his points adds more information that is appreciated by this reader.
I notice you mentioned NPR. The loss of revenue has even hit
what should be a non-biased government service, NPR. To make up the shortfall they have sold themselevs to the corporations. This is Privatization at work and proof we have really lost control of our government and nation to these corporate feudalist MFs. Low taxes on the rich destroys the nation of the free and sends US back 500 years.
This is a persuasive argument against regressive taxation and an informative piece on how the system "works" for the rich. But: the piece starts and ends on the same questionable notes: that this it is a matter of REPUBLICAN use of the t-word and REAGAN tax cuts. While Republicans have certainly led this parade of infamy to soak the poor, they could not have done it without the complicity of the Democratic Party. This is a day after (see NY Times article this morning), the Democratic "leadership" in Congress is abandoning its plan to finance the health care plan by putting a surcharge on the taxes of the most wealthy. The leadership believes (correctly I suspect) that this provision of the "plan" will not pass, but why is this? Can a minority of Republicans accomplish this? Even with the help of a Senate filibuster (and didn't the Dems just get a "filibuster-proof" majority in the election of Franken?) Will it not require the aid of some blue and other hues of Democrats---with an eye no doubt to the same fat cat campaign contributors who bankroll themselves and GOP members of Congress and all those conservative think tanks? Will it not require the complicity of a Democratic President who caves into pressure from the plutocracy on things ranging from the EFCA to mountaintop removal legislation? Are any of these forces going to be biting the hand that feeds them? Sure we can "chant the matra" cited at the end till our faces are bluer than the souls of those conservative Democrats. Murdoch and the rest will stick their fingers in their ears to drown out our chants and calmly pull out their checkbooks to fund some more think tanks, right wing rags and TV stations and as many members of Congress as they need to buy to keep progressive taxation from ever happening. And that's the way it is, Tuesday, July 21, 2009.
I see that the response of right-wing trolls to this dagger to the heart of their mythology is to fill up this thread with long, pointless responses to discourage discussion. Frank (1st post above) is apparently drunk - he duplicates most of his nonsense - and Jerry just repeats the same old "Dems did it too!" squawk. Neither post deals with the substance of the article.
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Note added: I see that Frank's post has been removed. Thanks, Admins.
I dealt with the "substance of the article" by endorsing and praising that substance and confined my comments to the issue of whether Hartmann's implied "the Republican did it" is accurate, an issue of the utmost importance when he and other "good Democrats" come to us at the next election to say once again that we MUST elect Democrats if we want to avoid regressive evils. If you are going to comment on my comment, I'd think you might comment on THAT substance and tell me (us) where I am wrong in my assertion that the same plutocracy that controls one branch of the duopoly covers the other as well. (Look at the corporate campaign funding of Democrats, for example, and show where it is less based on funding from well-heeled sources like Goldman Sachs). To dismiss my argument as that of a "right wing troll" is to substitute labelling for argument, and to commit a libel against me that might cause that anyone who has read my posts or who visits my daily postings of progressive news to laugh in your face.
Jerry, quicktroll is a right of center/status quo conservative who blames those to the left of the Democratic Party (and her hero Obaysmal) as being trolls; when it is in fact herself, and her dysfunctional brethren (like the status quo clown Hartmann) that ought to stand accused. Just ignore her; she tends to various melt-downs and hysteria when things don’t fit her comfortable status quo lifestyle. Her real name is Sue one of Hartmann's moderators on his message boards along with a group of disciples who follows him over on this site to prop up his ideology. True believers all!
The only laughing will be at your pathetic attempt to deflect the import of Hartmann's article from a discussion of taxation to the same old whine about Dems.
Hartmann identifies three things in his article as republican: the current effort to discredit Obama's healthcare proposal, the depression of 1929, and the depression of 2008. He implies nothing.
No one is disputing the treachery of the dems in taking corporate money and turning their backs on their traditional consituency. That subject has been beaten to death on this board and your introduction of it in this thread serves no productive purpose.
Also, no where in his article does Hartmann promote the election of Democrats. You are trying to create a straw man.
And who besides a troll would post such an obvious effort to deflect the discussion?
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Except in this case I tend to agree with quickstepper?!
But then I agree with anyone that tries to look past the politically obvious toward a deeper discussion of the actual issues, which in this case would be the inequity of a tax structure that unduly favors the rich. As the party of the rich, and constant critic of Democrat efforts to make the tax structure less favorable to the rich, the Republicans rightly deserve the blame attributed here. That's not to say the Democrats haven't also, through attrition, become unduly influenced by the rich elite, but that's just not the core issue here.
Personally, I would like to see more discussion about the combined creation of the Fed and the income tax as a bailout system, responsible for possibly the greatest redistribution of wealth, from the poor to the rich, in the history of humanity. That private for-profit make-the-taxpayers-pay system favors elite Republicans more than any other group, and you know the adage of "follow the purse strings" for figuring out who's ultimately responsible. Which also carries with it the spectacular irony of how these same folks typically cast "redistribution of wealth" as the self-serving bleeding-heart weakness of lesser folk. Well, shame on them.
It is just plainly obvious who cries the most and loudest over increasing taxes on the rich.
Excellent article, finally somebody has the guts to tell it like it is.
Hartman says what all the lilly livered so called liberal and progressive economists like Dean Baker, Paul Krugman and Brad DeLong are afraid to say...
We Need to Return to Pre-Reagan Tax Rates!
And not just on salary but capital gains, dividends and estates. All those economists that are 'friends' of the left decry the largest income and wealth gap since 1928 but where are they when we need the solution put out in the open and discussed ... higher taxes on high income and wealth!
". . . where are [the economists] when we need the solution put out in the open and discussed ... higher taxes on high income and wealth!"
Apparently, they're living happily in Denmark.
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Sorry, this post was to a different article,the one about President Carter.
Please excuse me.
Want to read something funny?
Glenn Beck on his radio show yesterday called the average Congressional salary of $173,000 an outrage, and demanded they be paid what "we" do, the average American salary of $45,000.
Except Glenn Beck makes $10 million a year, just from his radio show.
Plus probably $10 million a year from Fox.
Plus however much he gets from his books.
And he was screaming that the proposed tax surcharge on the wealthiest Americans would mean he would be unable to afford hiring 5-10 more people this year, except of course it doesn't kick in for a couple years. Oh, and he said he can no longer afford health insurance for his employees once any health reform bill passes...yet he makes at least $20 million a year.
Ah, hypocrisy.
Even funnier is your remark about Glenn Beck's books. Who among this clown's followers can even read?
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They come with lots of pictures :-)
They come with lots of pictures :-)
I was wondering why they bought those. Thanks for clearing that up!
In case you didn't notice in the article: there bought in bulk and given away.
Oops, I did miss that. Not very surprising.
We have a lot of education to do...
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Yes we do Thom.
Please use your radio show to DEMAND reinstatement of a new Fairness Doctrine combined with antitrust action against our megalithic media companies.
This ONE - TWO Punch is the ONLY WAY we're going to be able to reach millions of Americans on a daily basis to educate them with this important information.
Hartmann's article makes great sense. In Denmark, the people's compact with their government is cradle-to-grave support and protection. That this comes at a cost of 52% taxes, and a significant loss of freedom is a choice which the Danes have made.
The USA citizen's compact with our government is very different. We were founded, and as a society at large, still believe that our government's job is one of protection from outside interference and freedom within that protection to conduct our lives and businesses as we damn well see fit. Social-welfare programs always restrict that freedom.
It is always possible to change the citizen-government compact. Our Declaration of Independance did just that. If we want to change from a liberty compact to a welfare compact, get busy and convene a constitutional convention. Hartmann's proposal is nothing more than using the tax code as a clandestine lever in the social-engineering project.
". . . and a significant loss of freedom . . . . "
Please give us some examples of the freedoms that the Danes have lost.
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The freedom to have wonderful and benevolent corporations run their lives, for one.
The Danes have handed over to their government many of the choices you and I make every day. How much to charge an employer for my labor? Can I charge less to make myself more attactive to more employers? Do I want to forego 3 weeks of my vacation to work and make some extra money? Do I want to retain the means and tools to defend myself and my family and my property from predators? Do I want to to stand in the square and shout that I believe our government is wrong and should be overthrown?
Not everyone values these freedoms. They willingly sacrifice them for the safety and security provided by a government run by venal, corrupt humans, and trust that every politician and bureaucrat will do what is best for each individual citizen.
I would suggest to you that the Danes live in a country totally unlike ours. Very small with a population of 5.5 million people. And a fairly homogeneous population at that.
Considering this there can be no real comparison. Perhaps they have three weeks mandatory vacations because it provides more employment? Perhaps in their country a social democracy and a mmanaged economy makes the best sense. You can do many, many things on a small scale that simply are impossible in larger forms.
I also believe you'll find that any Dane can go to a street corner and scream whatever he likes.
"Not everyone values these freedoms. They willingly sacrifice them for the safety and security provided by a government run by venal, corrupt humans, and trust that every politician and bureaucrat will do what is best for each individual citizen."
I also doubt that their government is run by that many venal, corrupt humans. Our government is different than theirs. Ours in the cotrrect form is best for us, theirs may be best for them. I found it a lovely country and I didn't see any lack of freedom.
How many humans do you know who are not at some level venal and corrupt? This is the definition of the human condition, and our striving to rise above our own corruption is what makes our lives worthwhile.
"Humans...are...venal and corrupt."
You must be a Republican.
Sorry my friend. I know vast numbers of folks that are not venal or corrupt. And Au Contraire....it most certainly is NOT a definition of the human condition.
Striving to make others lives worthwhile is what makes peoples lives worthwhile.
Perhaps we could persuade you to consider that most people are pretty good. That most people are worthwhile.
waltdimm's pro-US argument doesn't really hold up to scrutiny, though I would keep the door open to his further investigation into the supposed benefits of the "American Way". However, if he were to complete a thorough investigation and conclude that there are no real benefits, but only institutionalized ego gratification, I wouldn't be surprised.
Meanwhile, quickstepper wants Big Brother to decide everything for us, and that's not going to work because of the USA's gargantuan culture of corruption. The oligarchy already decides most things in the USA. The Danish government works for the Danes because it isn't corrupt. The Danish government FEARS the Danes, thus it serves the Danes well. Quickstepper want to bypass the question of who is going to hold the upper hand, the people or the power center, and demand the people blindly submit to the power center. No way, Jose.
I don't know what country you live in but in the US, employers base their wage offerings on job market analyses and not on what people walk in and demand. Were you to go to a company and offer to do the $15/hour job for $10/hour, they would turn you down because they know that you would leave sooner ar later for another job at a higher pay. They also figure that you probably aren't capable of doing the job they need because, if you were, you'd have one.
All of your examples are pretty simplistic and none of them represents a truly significant freedom, such as that to choose one's career or place to live. The only true freedom that you touch on is that of speech and I know that the Danes prize that freedom dearly.
In short, I don't really trust your characterization of Danish society.
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Just wondering how many false identities you have on this site Hamster?
None other.
Why do you ask?
Excuse me, but I beg to differ with your statement about working for 3 weeks to make some extra money during your vacation. At the same job? They won't pay you for that vacation time, they will just take your time from you. In fact, we are seeing companies that are asking their workers to work for free during their vacations, instead of going on them. SO that one right there is a losing argument.
Why would you insist on the "right" to screw yourself for a job. Wouldn't it be better to have enough belief in yourself and your abilities to want MORE money? You're slitting your own throat and calling it a "freedom". Freedom to starve, maybe. Not every smart, at any rate. A rush to the bottom only benefits the rich. And it's a huge part of the very problem we are talking about here.
As to the "defense" argument, look at Denmark's crime rates. I am more than willing to bet that they are FAR lower than ours are. Unlike us, the Danes have learned that when people have opportunities, they are far less likely to turn to crime. Plus, the Europeans as a whole have learned that guns don't solve problems, they create death. That is their reason for existence.
As to standing up and demanding the overthrow of the gov't, you can be arrested for that here. Happens all the time, unless you are a rightie or a right wing pundit.
Your arguments about freedoms are very right wing, and some of them are just plain NUTS. The minimum wage was put in place to keep people from being in abject poverty for the entirety of their lives, and to keep people from being taken advantage of. You think that being taken advantage of is a right? It's a screwing for the benefit of those who already have too much.
Nice try, but your arguments show that you are a huge part of the real problem, here, which is not asking those with too much to do their part for the very country that allowed them to make so much. They benefit FAR more than you do from our system, why should YOU have to pay more for it than they do? Why not stand up for yourself instead of those who are screwing you and your children for their own benefit? It's time that you realize that they are the problem, not the solution. Waiting for the rich to trickle down on you is a fool's pastime. They have proved that they won't do anything of the sort. They will just keep stealing from you and your family. THEY are who you need to protect yourself from, not the guy you think is breaking into your home. They are stealing you blind, and you stand up for their right to do so. WAKE UP!
Great post. I'm sick of the right-wingers invoking "freedom" at the drop of a hat.
Their idea of "freedom" is freedom to exploit our asses without regulatory constraints.
How many times have you "stood in the town square" and shouted anything? If so, what?
Do you really need "more money"? If so, for what?
We're already ruled by the most obscene companies and evil political misfits ever to slide out the human birth canal.
We can't do any worse.
We were founded, and as a society at large, still believe that our government's job is one of protection from outside interference and freedom within that protection to conduct our lives and businesses as we damn well see fit.
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What we 'believe' in is irrelevant to this conversation.
Our government's job is to protect and defend the Constitution.
By the way, I'd be willing to wager that there's tens of millions of senior citizens who don't think Social Security and Medicare limits their freedom. Unless of course you're referring to their freedom that comes from deciding which street corner to live and ultimately die from sickness on.
Go back to my original post (10:06). The point is not about Danish society, but about the explicit and implicit contracts between a government and its citizens. Someone pointed out that the job of government is to "support and defend the Constitution". The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence lay out our explicit contracts. These documents are somewhat hostile to European-style socialism. If we really want a benevolent social state, it is up to us to re-negotiate that contract. Using taxation to force a societal change is neither honest nor in the long run, likely to be completely effective.
We need to push a new pejorative term such as "taxphobe" or "taxophobe" or maybe "taxaphobe", and use it to describe selfish, short-sighted, ignorant, antisocial barbarians.
How about "tax chicken"?
Or just the term that we've always used: "republicans."
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It is just that any term with "phobe" or "phobia" in it seems to be taken more seriously by Americans, as the presence of the Latin element (derived from Greek, better yet) implies that some sort of scientific rigor underlies the development of the term, and most assume that those who have a "phobia" must have some mental defect or character flaw.
good idea
kivals
I would suggest taxaphobic.
There is nothing wrong with raising the tax rates on the upper income earners. I did not notice a decline in economic activity under Clinton when the rates were higher.
The problem is raising taxes to support the worst health care proposal in the last two centuries. This stinks to high heaven. The addition of the lawyers ability to file suits on behalf of the government without the governments permission smells of Cheneyesqe shananigans and another example of what happens behind closed doors.
Whatever one thinks of John Edwards, I thought it interesting that when he was asked to criticize Obama when he was running against him in the Democratic primaries he said that Obama was too weak to accomplish much in Washington, as Obama would not be able to stand up to the many capable and confident lobbyists and lawmakers representing powerful interests. Edwards nailed that one.
Uummmm....and you nailed that one for me. I had forgotten that. It has proved to be profetic obviously.
I'm not taxophobic but I tend to get upset seeing our tax dollars slipping from our fingers into destructive purposes. See my separate post. I hope others don't call me a Republican for saying what I said.
Republican? How funny! You just told the truth about this. And thanks for it!!
They have exactly, "blown" our chance at real reform.
I don't know how they do it in your state but out here in St Louis, talk about cutting down any wasteful spending and you get labelled a Republican instantly. Not so in the rurals or even the suburbs. Sigh, I wish people knew how to hold their labels and think first. :(
Kvals,short-term I would agree with you; but, why are the hellth insurance corporations and their reactionary fellow travelers throwing all but the kitchen sink at this plan; because they are sooo fearful of its longterm implications. And, yes to finance it we should raise taxes on the rich and the filthy rich, which bush called "the haves and the have mores (the big bankers) that I call my base." And, as socialist said cut at least in half our bloated imperialist death-oriented military budget.
Hartmann has hoped that Obama is playing chess instead of checkers. I think was must do all we can to realize that hope.
The only con job on this thread is Hartmann who has a case of myopia. When it comes to his handlers in the Obama Administration he sees no evil, hears no evil, speaks no evil. I wonder why he never writes one of his essays against Obama and Dems for taking single payer off the table, or the Afghanistan war escalation, or criminal investigations of Bush, or why a fantasy called clean coal is perpetuated by Obama and the coal industry who owns the man, to name the most egregious?
Oh, Hartmann is owned by the same status quo forces.