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Diplomatic Suckerhood: Why Israel Is Fighting Toward its Own Demise
Israeli Jews are deeply worried about their nation’s image around the world, and with good reason. Military occupation is never a pretty sight, especially when the occupiers have been there for 42 years, steadily taking over the occupied people’s lands as the whole world watches on television and the internet. It’s not surprising that Israel gets so little sympathy when it complains about its image problem—which only makes many Israelis worry more about their public image.
But if Israeli Jews want to escape that vicious cycle and improve their image, no amount of money spent on clever PR campaigns will help until they do something about a basic root of the problem: their own cultural self-image. Not all Israeli Jews have the same self-image, of course. But there is a complex one embedded in their national culture; a set of basic assumptions that shape their political discourse and their government’s policy decisions.
The first assumption is obvious whenever Israelis hear that others don’t see them in a positive light. Their culture gives them a ready-made response, one that goes back to the very roots of Zionism: The world criticizes us, picks on us, dislikes us, victimizes us simply because we are Jews.
Certainly not all Israelis Jews respond this way. Some assess the criticisms objectively and see whether there is any truth in them; though they are fighting an uphill battle against the dominant tendency of their society and its history. Since so many Israelis have learned to see themselves as victims, they take every criticism as further proof that they are unfairly singled out for the world’s harsh judgment.
So in order to even approach a solution to the crisis in Israel/Palestine, it’s necessary to ask: Where did this self-image come from? The whole Zionist project to create a Jewish state began not merely because Jews felt victimized, but because so many felt powerless to do anything about it as long as they lived among the goyim (gentiles). What’s more, many early Zionists were ashamed of their weakness, seeing it as a sign that Jews were “abnormal.” They expected to escape all those feelings once they had their own independent nation, with its own armed forces.
It doesn’t seem to have worked out that way. They have the power, to be sure (by various accounts, the fourth, fifth, or sixth most effective military in the world) which they frequently put on display. But all that expenditure of effort and money—much of it from American tax dollars, but a considerable amount from Israelis’ taxes—has apparently not purchased feelings of powerfulness, confidence, and pride.
On the contrary, Israeli political life seems dominated by anxiety. So, for example, the fear of an Iranian nuclear bomb (even just one, against Israel’s two hundred or more) makes headlines in Israel nearly every day, like this one from the Jerusalem Post: “Iran Could Build Bomb Within a Year”; even though, as the article clearly states, the Israeli government “currently believes that worst-case scenario is not likely to materialize.”
Israel’s Defense Minister Ehud Barak betrayed the same sense of anxiety about weakness when he complained to the New York Times that with the Obama administration “focusing solely on settlement building and not on what the Arab countries should also be doing for peace, Israel felt that it was being driven to its knees and delivered to the other side.”
That’s a bizarre exaggeration. In fact, the administration is also focusing on what the Arab countries should be doing: moving toward normalized ties with Israel. And even were those demands not being made, the idea that a nation with far more military power than any of its neighbors is being “driven to its knees,” simply because people want them to stop expanding settlements (which are illegal in the first place) seems out of touch with reality.
And, to be precise, it’s not just “people” who want them to stop expanding settlements. It’s the most powerful person in the world, the President of the United States. When POTUS says he wants something from Israel and makes it clear, in private, that he really means it, the Israeli government jumps—no matter who is heading it, no matter how hard they try to hide the fact. That was obvious as far back as the Persian Gulf War of 1991 when Israel was hit with a number of Iraqi missiles the Israeli government, which always boasts that it will respond harshly to any attack, did nothing because Washington put up a big red light.
Washington appears to be flashing the red light once again. According to the Washington Times, “a senior Israeli official said that Israel has not asked for US aid or permission [to attack Iran] because the Netanyahu government doesn’t want to risk being told ‘no.’” The obvious point is that when the United States says “no” and means it, Israeli leaders kneel down and obey; which is why Barak is so worried about Israel being “driven to its knees.”
This is the plight Israel finds itself in: It wants to use force to prove to the world, and to itself, that Jews have finally escaped from their age-old powerlessness and the anxiety it breeds. But Israel can use force only when given permission by the goyim in Washington; which seems to prove that the Jews are still powerless.
If the goyim say “no,” they can be dismissed as Jew-haters (or, if they happen to be Jewish, as “self-hating Jews,” which is just how Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has described Obama confidantes David Axelrod and Rahm Emanuel. But that merely reinforces the sense that Jews are surrounded by enemies, victims of a hatred that seems to have no end, and (once again) powerless.
Netanyahu, doing little to cloak his status in this vicious spiral of insecurity, told a meeting of EU ambassadors that “Israelis are not willing to be suckers.” Of course no one is suggesting that Israelis are or should be suckers—except their prime minister. He’s standing firm against every call for an end to settlement expansion just to prove that he and his people are not suckers. And his defense minister, Ehud Barak, leader of what was once the opposition party, is standing just as firm to prove that Israel won’t be “driven to its knees.”
Perhaps that’s why they continue to attract the hawks calling for an attack on Iran; perhaps, rather than fear, it’s the tempting opportunity to flex their national muscle that moves them. Yet every muscle flexed to prove their strength only reinforces their fear that they may not be, perhaps can never be, strong enough. Whether Israel unleashes or restrains its military power, either way there is no escape from anxiety.
There is a real bond between the leaders and the people on this point, according to columnist Doron Rosenblum in Israel’s leading newspaper, Ha’aretz: “Netanyahu and Barak would not have achieved such positions of power if they did not represent at least two outstanding traits of Israeliness: aggressiveness and paranoia… They reflect two sides of the same coin—the fear of being considered weak and, the only thing that’s worse, being considered naïve.” All of which is really just a kind of psychological weakness.
Rosenblum rightly concludes that if Israelis shun Obama’s peace overtures they are the real suckers. Yet he suspects that Israelis will respond to the president with “the usual default option, in which military aggressiveness and diplomatic suckerhood go hand in hand in perfect harmony.” That’s the tragic fruit of a culture built on a self-image of weakness and victimization.
That self-image is so pervasive, it has now become a self-fulfilling prophecy that can shape Israeli policy. According to an unnamed “senior Israeli official” quoted in Ha’aretz, “Israel is skeptical” that US envoy George Mitchell “would be able to coax Arab states to make concrete normalization commitments if only a temporary settlement freeze was declared.” In other words, since we know that the other side hates us and will never make peace, we won’t take a first step toward peace.
Most Israelis share this view, according to columnist Shmuel Rosner in the Jerusalem Post:
It is clear to the vast majority of Israelis that freezing the settlements will not bring about peace or security. That’s why one doesn’t see many Israelis supporting Obama’s attempt to freeze the settlements. That’s why no major political party in Israel can afford to be identified with the Obama way. It will be politically damaging.
Of course “it is clear” is only based on Israeli beliefs, not facts. Beliefs and feelings, on the other hand, are what drive voter sentiment in Israel as everywhere else.
With so many voters affecting a posture of permanent victimization, the government finds it politically safest to avoid taking even the first baby steps toward peace. Instead Israeli leaders play on the voters’ fears (what Rosenblum calls “paranoia”) by promising the other side of the coin: a more aggressive stance. They insist on expanding settlements, for example, even though Israel stands to lose far more than it can gain.
Two Israeli academics now have statistical data to confirm that fear has largely muted the Israeli public discourse on peace. The study, by Prof. Daniel Bar-Tal and Dr. Eran Halperin, showed that most Jewish Israelis view the conflict with the Palestinians through the lens of fear, which creates “a selective and distorted processing of information aimed at preserving conflict-beliefs.” On the other hand, “only a small minority of Israelis evaluate the conflict through the ethical lenses of justice and morality.”
The researchers claim to have found a silver lining: “People who were exposed to a scenario emphasizing the price Israel might have to pay for allowing the conflict to continue were more willing to accept new information and compromise, in comparison to those exposed to a scenario based on the fruits of peace.” Logically, then, Israeli leaders should tell their voters that they stand to lose plenty if they don’t support compromises for peace.
But here’s the rub. If Israeli leaders express, or even hint at, that obvious truth, they will give public voice to the self-image of vulnerability and victimhood. They will reinforce the very anxiety that the existence of Israel was supposed to relieve, yet never did. And the voters will reject them.
Again, Israelis are stuck in a difficult plight: As long as the same old self-image pervades Israeli political culture, any policy their government adopts, whether for war or peace, will only intensify their anxiety. And their most familiar response to anxiety about weakness is to get tough.
The need to be tough—to prove that Israel won’t be “driven to its knees” because Israelis are not “suckers”— goes far toward explaining the Netanyahu government’s hardline positions. Most voters, having decided that they will always be victims, apparently want their leaders to use force in an endless attempt to prove to the world (but even more to themselves) that they are not powerless victims.
Of course that project is doomed to fail. It only perpetuates the conflict, reinforcing the sense of victimization that provokes more calls for force. Since the root of the problem lies in national self-image, nothing that any other nation does can make much difference. People caught in such a trap naturally have a hard time seeing any way to break out and extend a hand of peace to the other side. Instead they resort to the familiar pattern of blaming others, which sets the vicious cycle going all over again.
Perhaps Israelis will some day be so afraid of the dangerous consequences of rejecting peace that they will turn toward peace.
But it seems more likely that real peace will begin only when enough Israelis decide that they no longer want to define themselves by their traditional self-image, that they want a new one to match the reality of their power. Then the majority of Israeli voters will be able to find national pride not in the exercise of power but in the pursuit of peace. When that day comes, we can expect the Israeli government to begin sincerely and earnestly pursuing peace.


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Show AllIsraelis, as well as Americans are subjected to 69 years of conditioning when it comes to Israel. I should know, I was one for years. Sadly, much of the criticism of Israel in the US comes from such hate mongers as David Duke and Louis Farrakhan. Palestinians should distance themselves from this type of support. It only plays into Israel's hands.
Israelis need to see that much of the criticism comes from knowledgeable people who tire of hearing Israel crying "Victim" when they tell Palestinians what they may or may not do in their homeland, and tell them where they may or may not go in their homeland. Israel needs to stop tearing down Palestinians' homes and stop building settlements in Palestine without Palestine's permission. The rest of the world gets sick of this. Even people who strongly condemn Muslim nations for calling for Israel's destruction are criticizing Israel for its treatment of Palestinians.
You need to turn off the television and start reading some books. Most criticism of Israel in the US comes from the censored Left. The Zionist Holocaust Exploiters and the US Corpoorate Media Oligopoly would like us to believe that criticism of Israel = David Duke as this lie suits them quite well. This old line is getting worn out, the Right Wing Deathmongers will have to come up with a new one.
Ever heard of:
Dennis Bernstein
Nora Barrows Friedman
Jewish Voice for Peace
Norman Finkelstein
Joel Kovel
Barbara Lubin/ Middle Eastern Children's Alliance
?
If you have not, google them for starters.
The only real valid and fundamental criticism of Israel comes from David Duke, and the crackpot right. The criticism of Israel by the likes of Norman Finklestein and Noam Chomsky is an effort to co-opt the left into accepting the basic Zionist premise, that Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state on Palestinian land. There is absolutely NO questioning of that premise in the US press, political establishment, or progressive left like Truthdig, CommonDreams, Salon, etc.
David Duke may be wrong about a lot of things, on the subject of Israel, even he pulls his punches because he travels all over Europe and would be arrested if he didn't, but every criticism he does make is valid. His perspective is valid and US centered, as opposed to the Zionist perspective of Finklestein, Chomsky, and the US establishment.
I agree with some of what you say, however you go way off the deep end. What evidence do you have that Chomsky and Finkelstein are Zionists.? Just because they are Jewish does not make them Zionists. If you read Finkelstein, you would realize he is anti-Zionist. What is your axe to grind here?
"The only real valid and fundamental criticism of Israel comes from David Duke, and the crackpot right" I could not disagree more. If you are watching and reading the MSM, then I can see how you would think that. What about the rest of the examples I gave?
Oh and I forgot Cynthia McKinney!
Have you read Walt and Mearsheimer?
I am afraid you need to study the record a bit more
I included the definition that I think is accurate in my first post, it is, a Zionist is someone who supports Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state on Palestinian land. By that definition Chomsky and Finklestein are Zionists. My guess is that Cynthia McKinney is too, but I don't know. I'm not familiar with the others on your list.
To imply that Israel does not have a 'right' to exist as a Jewish state will get you immediately excluded from the US media, the progressive blogosphere, politics, etc. Can you name an exception? I can't. I note that Israel Shamir is not a Zionist, but I don't see anything by him unless I google it.
Let me give you an example that illustrates my point about Duke, which by happenstance I just came upon. Germar Rudolf, a very well known holocaust revisionist, was recently released from prison in Germany. Now, he was in jail for one reason only, publishing a (very good, BTW) book that challenges the standard version of the holocaust. The only report IN ENGLISH of his release appears on Duke's web site. He was deported from the US to be charged in Germany for his thought crimes.
I didn't have to read Walt and Mearsheimer, I'd been paying attention to Wolfowitz, Libby, PNAC, etc. I really like Mearsheimer's video appearances, but I cringe when he goes on at length about Israel's right to exist, which he justifies by their suffering in WW II, etc. He is without question a Zionist by my definition.
I did read Paul Findley's book, which is more direct and compelling than W & M and was written 20 years earlier.
I do have an axe to grind, but I cannot grind it on CD, as when I did in a previous incarnation, Narcissus, I was banned...( here is a representative link... shhh ... www holohoax101 com)
Not Allan, You are flapping so many red herrings I don't know where to start, but you say "a Zionist is someone who supports Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state on Palestinian land."
Not true in of itself: Zionism is far older than Israel and goes far beyond Palestinian lands.
Zionism is Jewish Nationalism, the same as, and modelled on National Socialism being Arian Nationalism.... Both depend on a myth of Racial, Ethnic, Religious uniqueness of a people plus mass psychology, indoctrination, deception, manipulation, overt and covert force of arms, as well as terrorism and assassination.
Then you throw in the canard of "right to exist" which is quite a recently banded and totally meaningless concept invented by Israel apologists and foolishly argued by detractors who are led up the garden path, to wit most of the people in your list would agree with me that this concept has no foundation in politics or international law.
To bring up holocaust revisionists is again just opening another irrelevant can of worms which only detracts from discussing the article above.
Not Allan has a good point.
The list is small and ineffectual. Jews as a vast majority, including in Israel, don't agree with the Zionistic Revisionism promoted by Chernus.
Lucitanian,
Let me make it easy for you, we have the uber Zionists, like Netanyahu, who support the no (Palestinian) state solution, the humanitarian Zionists like Chomsky, Carter, Finklestein, who support the two state solution, and non-Zionists like Shamir who support the single pluralistic democratic state solution.
The holocaust is not a red-herring, it is the basis of Israel's existence as a Jewish state.
You write "The holocaust is not a red-herring, it is the basis of Israel's existence as a Jewish state."
This is the kind of effluent that shows you have swallowed and digested completely the Zionist propaganda. A Jewish state was envisioned by the Zionists long before the Nazi "final Solution" which as I have tried to show you was developed to a great extent with overt and tacit support of the Zionists. It is when the two ideas Zionism and National Socialism both based on ethnic/racial myths came together that they gained traction.
continued:
At the core of the international movement of Zionism are the following five points of the "Jerusalem Program" as aims adopted at the 28th Zionist Congress, meeting in Jerusalem 1968:
- The unity of the Jewish People and the centrality of Israel in Jewish life.
- The ingathering of the Jewish People in its historic homeland, Eretz Israel, through Aliyah from all countries.
- The strengthening of the State of Israel which is based on the prophetic vision of justice and peace.
- The preservation of the identity of the Jewish People through the fostering of Jewish and Hebrew education and of Jewish spiritual and cultural values.
- The protection of Jewish rights everywhere.
Not all Germans were Nazis, and not all who accept the existences today of the state of Israel are Zionists. Your three groups are not easy; they are simplistic and wrong as they do not take into account the diversity and congruity of the ideas of those in the last two groups. The middle group can simply not be called Zionist.
I made it easy for you but it didn't help.
bligh4
Zionism is older than National Socialism, which did not exist before 1919.
I would argue that the Jews did not have to depend on a myth of Racial, Ethnic, or Religious uniqueness-it was done for them. To proclaim yourself "not a Jew" in Europe in those days helped you not at all- you were identified as a Jew anyway, and subjected to second class citizenship at best, or, more likely, death.
The continuous attempts to compare Zionism with National Socialism are repugnant.
You are absolutely right the Nazis and Zionism trace their roots to Prussian nationalism.
The Zionist movement, beginning in the late 19th century, was mainly founded by secular Jews. The political movement was formally established by the Austro-Hungarian journalist Theodor Herzl in the time of Prussian militarism/nationalism. As a young man, Herzl was engaged in a Burschenschaft association, which strove for German unity under the motto Ehre, Freiheit, Vaterland ("Honor, Freedom, Fatherland"), which were ultra-nationalist student groups, most often professing anti-Semitism.
Continued:
Herzl was himself in fact an outright elitist racist intimating great shame of his own ethnicity in relation to sections of the Jewish community. He wrote in his diaries, anti-Semitism, "is an understandable reaction to Jewish defects," and that, "each country can only absorb a limited number of Jews, if she doesn't want disorders in her stomach. Germany has already too many Jews." He believed Jews were to blame for anti-Semitism, and wrote: "Every nation in whose midst Jews live is, either covertly or openly, anti-Semitic; its immediate cause is our excessive production of mediocre intellects, who cannot find an outlet downwards or upwards. When we sink, we become a revolutionary proletariat. When we rise, there also rises our terrible power of the purse."
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In fact you are entirely wrong. In the 1920’s and 30’s the upper echelons of German Austrian as well as most European society had very many wealthy Jews who were well integrated which made it ideal for Nazis and Zionists to use anti-Semitism as a socio political tool with the masses. The head of the German Jewish Community and Head of Germany's Zionist Movement, Mr Georg Kareski gave an interview to the SS magazine 'ANGRIFF' printed on the 23 December 1935 in which he said he had been trying for years to find a method to keep the two races (Germans & Jews) separate, and he considered the race laws from the 15th Sept 1935 supported the Jewish desires.
Whether you find it repugnant or not the roots of Zionism and the Nazis are the same. Please study history not propaganda.
bligh4
I'm afraid that it is you that is wrong. As any student of history will tell you, modern Zionism started with the Russian pogroms of the late 19th century. As far as your example above, how well integrated were the jews of Austria the day after the Nazis took the country over?
To say that the Jews worked with the Nazi's to complete their own destruction is utter, complete, stupidity. If the zionist's plan was to lose two thirds of their membership in the camps-then yes, they accomplished their goals.
I wouldn't put anything past the Zionists in their attempt to fill Israel.
Zionism is a moral monstrosity, and the world would be better off without it.
You write: “To say that the Jews worked with the Nazi's to complete their own destruction is utter, complete, stupidity.”
I can see this is news to you, and I hope you mistakenly and not otherwise confuse Jews and Zionists. As I wrote here, the worst thing that ever happened to Jews was Zionism.
In fact the entire history of collaboration through the late 20’s and 30’s is well documented. Collaboration included capital to companies and banks that supported the rise of Nazis, and the development of industries essential to the war machine. The creation of special accounts to facilitate “selected” transfers of capital, equipment and emigrants to “Eretz Israel” (even in defience of the Jewish embargo), the supply of weapons for terrorism in Palestine, the provision of intelligence information about allied targets, movements and supplies in the Middle East, the “selection” of emigrants from German occupied territories to Palestine, and the frustration of other exit destinations.
Being a partner to the Nazi movement, even a minor partner, has its stigma and all the propaganda in the world will not change what the Zionists were and are.
I don't suggest anti-Semitism was and is not real and deadly, or that the pogroms, and persecution did not happen. I understand your surprise but historical revisionism is also real. Hate is used to garner power. Just remember 9-11. Please read and think some again.
Read : A coin with two sides,
Just search it at "randompottins.blogspot.com/2007/05/
coin-with-two-sides.html"
Well to repeat the oft-repeated quotes:
"One Cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland."
(Yitzhak (Izaak) Greenbaum, 18 February 1943)
"If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by
bringing them over to England and only half of them by transporting them to
Eretz Israel, then I opt for the second alternative." (David Ben-Gurion,
1938)
No - Zionism was never about saving the Jews of Germany and Poland and always - at least in the 20th century - about stealing Palestine.
True that.
Socialist, either you haven't been reading all of what I said, or you're lying about what I said. Here is a rewrite.
Israelis, as well as Americans are subjected to 69 years of conditioning when it comes to Israel. I should know, I was one for years. Sadly, much of the criticism of Israel in the US comes from such hate mongers as David Duke and Louis Farrakhan. Palestinians should distance themselves from this type of support. It only plays into Israel's hands.
Israelis need to see that much of the criticism comes from knowledgeable people who tire of hearing Israel crying "Victim" when they tell Palestinians what they may or may not do in their homeland, and tell them where they may or may not go in their homeland. Israel needs to stop tearing down Palestinians' homes and stop building settlements in Palestine without Palestine's permission. The rest of the world gets sick of this. Even people who strongly condemn Muslim nations for calling for Israel's destruction are criticizing Israel for its treatment of Palestinians.
You said "You need to turn off the television and start reading some books.".
I said "Israelis, as well as Americans are subjected to 69 years of conditioning when it comes to Israel. I should know, I was one for years.". "was indicates past tense. I no longer feel that way.
You said "Most criticism of Israel in the US comes from the censored Left. The Zionist Holocaust Exploiters and the US Corpoorate Media Oligopoly would like us to believe that criticism of Israel = David Duke as this lie suits them quite well. This old line is getting worn out"
I said "Sadly, much of the criticism of Israel in the US comes from such hate mongers as David Duke and Louis Farrakhan. Palestinians should distance themselves from this type of support. It only plays into Israel's hands." I did not say what per cent was from hate mongers, just that it exists. I also said, and you ignored it "Israelis need to see that much of the criticism comes from knowledgeable people who tire of hearing Israel crying "Victim" when they tell Palestinians what they may or may not do in their homeland, and tell them where they may or may not go in their homeland. Israel needs to stop tearing down Palestinians' homes and stop building settlements in Palestine without Palestine's permission. The rest of the world gets sick of this. Even people who strongly condemn Muslim nations for calling for Israel's".
Note, I agree with you. I merely wished to say that while I once supported Israel, I now see the Palestinians struggle in a different light.
I would appreciate it if in the future you didn't lie about what I said.
I did not lie, but I wanted to just make sure the record was straight. Now that you have further clarified your point, I do agree. Israelis are more aware of criticism from the Left than Americans are, and America is the Great Enabler of Israel who is a proxy state of the Empire.
I do apologize for my over-zealous response.
Apology accepted. I was a convert to this viewpoint, so nobody is more sure than a convert. Palestinians are like the ative Americans here.
One more question, did Barbara Libin ever work for CIBC? If so I know her.
KeLiMi,
Nice gentle post. Truths expressed quietly though succinctly yet they reflect life and death. I infer you are a Jew who lived in Israel but now does not. I thought your last sentence was dead-on too.
I think I understand Israel's long-term goals,
And that they feel Power and Might will get them there,
For they are far stronger than their opponents
But a funny thing happened on the way to living, I died, and fighting my way back to life, manifesting a ressurection w/o anything in the world to hold on to, I learned this in my journey,
And it makes no sense but is Dead True-
Right does make might, and being wrong works against an aggressor.
As we are slowly seeing. Now the Palestinians appear to be ground into the dirt, extirpated, erased. However, they are getting stronger, like steel being forged, being beaten down like that creates rage and strength,
Ti-i-i-ime, is on the Arab's side
Karma, it's gonna knock you right in the head,
Anxious? Fearful? If I did to my neighbors anything like what Israel does, I'd be anxious all right. Knowing my world might get burned down because MY ACTIONS HAVE MADE MY LITTLE ITTY BITTY COUNTRY THE MOST HATED, REVILED, DETESTED PLACE ON EARTH. AND, CAUSALLY, IT'S WHERE THE MOST ABJECT HUMAN MISERY TRANSPIRES AND AT JEWISH HANDS. ARE YOU GUYS HOME, YOU GOT A DEATH WISH, LIKE BEING DETESTED?
Then sh-it, give them fellers a place to live, some seed to plant and get ON with yo bizness. You'all done gotten to be defined by yo badness! 86 it Jethro, show the world yo goodness! You jackasses is po-tentiating, cre-atin, and ex-acerbatin' wildly the very same Jew-Hatin you alus complainin 'bout. Hell? That dumb ain't it?
Power? Right makes might. Against overwhelming odds.
KeLiMi, I get too pissed off, after multiple decades of Gaza, Lebanon, Settlement expansion, And NEVER ANY ACCOMODATION, ANY INCH GIVEN, FOR THE POW'S, THE INDIGINEOUS SURVIVORS OF THE EXTIRMINATION CAMPAIGN.
Deep breath, better yet ice bong of hash, then go paint.....
FYI, an Israeli's take on the "culture of death" that sustains it:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050110/kimmerling
and another ex-Israeli's take on how such a mindset will eventually bring about it's demise:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljLEPjaF3S0
We Americans have our own deluded and dangerous self-image, that of the "city on the hill" whose purpose is to bring U.S.-style democracy, progress and enlightenment to the rest of the world, whether they want it or not.
This pretty self-delusion ingeniously masks the horrific reality of U.S. military and corporate oppression of so many poorer nations since at least the Spanish-American War of 1898.
The corporatist/militarist U.S. Global Empire is a far more dangerous threat to world peace and stability than Israel's aggressiveness, destructive as that is to both Palestinians and Israelis.
How can you not realise that that US corporate/militerist Global Empire and Zionism is not connected at the hip and it does not end with the Palestinians.
you raise a very important point Lucitanian, Israel is an integral part of the Empire.
It's not the theology, it is 4000 years of neverending cruelty and greed.
The sins of the Israel Zionests are a stigmata which infects all Jews and their supporters.
Were you a Cossack in a past life? Or perhaps a believer in "The Protocols of the Sacred Elders of Zion?" Do reject Vatican II absolving collective guilt for the crucifixion a la Mel Gibson?
For the rabid unreasoning antisemitism, post to Stormfront.org, your prattle would get a welcome response there.
Criticizing israel Isn't anti-Semitism. The Arabs are also Semitic.
Which ironically makes Israel the most actively anti-Semitic country in the world.
"It's not the theology, it is 4000 years of neverending cruelty and greed." This is clearly an exaggeration. A useful guide is "Jewish History, Jewish Religion -- The Weight of Three Thousand Years", by Israel Shahak.
RUBBISH, It is called mass psychology and it was used by the Zionists in collaboration with the Nazis in germany in the 30's and it is used by them and their US collaborators today. It has nothing to do with Jewishness and everything to do with power.
It would be just as stupid as saying the stigmata of Mafia effect all Italians. Your statement is purely racist and means nothing to the discussion at hand
as far as I know - a Jew - HATED zionism no end. he saw right through it. his name was Karl Marx.
Self-inflicted fear and paranoia can drive an entire nation clinically insane.
It is not just fear, but also the guilt of ethnic cleansing & terrorism of the Palestinians and their neighbors through the Stern Gang and other death squads operating prior to WWII, pre-emptive wars to steal more land, Mossad assassination squads operating throughout the world, military assaults and gaza ghettos and apartheid walls and checkpoints and Jew-only roads and leaving behind mine-fields of cluster bombs and depleted uranium, not to mention the shame of becoming what you hate and your own worst enemy...
Howdy Mr. Mean, is you inferring them fellers might not feel some kinda wonderful bout they country's 'ccomplishments? Tri-umphant, swole up wid pride? Hay-ell, ain't seen too many WORSER offers from the Devil. Don't be loyal to your people and your country, yikes! yucky choice A. Or B, do your stint in the IDF, internalize the fear and anxiety, the hate and false pride of Nationalism, MY country, and start parroting the script that excuses genocide, torture, and torture of children systemically, using slave-labor to colonize the stolen land, murder.
Choice A., we've seen is rarely taken, or at least rarely shouted out as it so badly needs to be. I hear a symphony of silence from Jewery as a whole.....God I love the one's with moral courage, so rare though, so rare.
Now Choice B! Benefits, housing, a free GUN that can kill people and all the free bullets you can shoot, free medical and dental (thank you citizens of the USA), and best, you become part of a group, you belong. The fact that you are ankle deep in rising blood they deny is there is the slippery part...
Mr. Mean, guess what I done, I got my 18 ye old daughter legal, so she can gro et al. I am thinking of going to live outside next spring, in a tent, gorgeous country, and planting, nurturing 7/24 until fall.
What I'm thinking, is I'm getting fucked by poverty, I work hard on property for another who takes what little money I have every month. I go live and grow outside, I'll harvest several pounds, 6 X 2, maybe 12 X 2, of killer bud. A pound is worth about 3 grand. 12 X 3 grand is $36,000 dollars. My dad was a gangster in Illinois in the 30's.
He'd have thought I lacked initiative if I could not afford to see a dentist, if I ran low on food sometimes, which I can't and which I do via MY BEST EFFORTS. Fuck pain, fuck the system. I'm throwing the towel in. I've played by every rule and it is not working.
Catch me if you can.
For you oh mean one, hi smart soul-
Give me love, give me love,
give me peace on earth. Give me
light, give me life, keep me free
from birth. Give me hope, help me cope
with this heavy load. Trying to touch and reach you with Heart and Soul.
Heart and Soul
Corazon de Alma
OUR essence. Unkown alien irrelevance to our left brained oppressor's matrix of aggresson, acquisition, domination and control.
Go East Young Man, Go East.
To the Blue Ridge Mountains
of Kentucky, Tennessee, Chattanooga has
such nice people, they are just real, and too, it's
gorgeous, the Carolinas, rolling, green lush, gravity pulls you to Georgia, which has weight, History, Beauty. Atlanta. Georgia on my mind, rain? I ain't seen THAT in a while...Now you feel the equator, it beckons those nimble, deft w/ gypsy blood. I swam to St. Thomas and worked as a barker. Like for a carnival-2 years hustle and fleece the New Jersey retiree set. And fall in love with black girls who see through green sparkling eyes, and have lilting nightingale like voices, a patoise of angle et francsoise, these girls from dominica, Antigua, St. Kitts. Move like cats and know you are mesmerized. And, they take no shit, they smart, they ain't o-ppresssed or sub-ju-gated. They have spirits like birds.
It can pour madly on one side of the street as the sun shines one the iguana ambling down the sidwalk on the other. And the Fish?
No offense, but Pikes market is a mortuary, cute and exciting and very cool though it is.
Fish in the Carribean undulate living rainbows swimming, swarming, dazzling, every hue brilliant splash. Para-sail. No waves. But the water is
so clear you can see your toes wiggle if you look down and are chin deep.
Once in a while coconut sized balls of cocaine wash up on the beach....was easy to tell who found it. Shitty weed down there though. Maybe that's why Marly smoked huge spleefs.
I took zips through intl customs. Just put it where macho cops don't go. Some place smart.
Longest post I ever wrote. Up to speed now. Brevity is all. I go paint, caio.
All I can say is:
Share the "WOW"...
You are an excellent writer...
You should start a 'zine of your poetic rants...
And self publish it and give it away for free...
And start a blog of your travels & travails...
Good luck with all of your endeavors...
I agree with Goldenmean - there are some real gems here. You should publish!
Yeah, me too. Wonderful post.
Such great poetry and a social conscience to boot.
I'd love to see MORE!
azjoe ...
John Steinbeck has to be proud someone else has poetry and thoughts like yours.
MOVING writing, Azjoe!
teddy, grappler, Penelope, GM,
Hello too kind souls, I actually can't write,
but I love words a lot. And life. So if I
get it right, it's a mirroring. Accurately
reflecting life. And since life sometimes
shimmers, well, pictures of it can too, life.
Our Blessing
Our Dream
Our Walk through the Holy Land.
Ya all know where Angels go to play when they get off work?
They go to play inside of baby's dreams straightaway,
Quite Heavenly they say.
Hi azjoe
Keep on reflecting! That's poetry!
A plausable portrait of Isaeli leadership and many of its citizen. Also consider post-holocaust trauma and paranoia-"never again". Perhaps Palestinians represent "goyim" in the mindset. See how Arab and Israeli children see each other at Neve Shalom where they go to school together. Palestinians and Israelis can coexist in peace and friendship.
So Chernus believes we should regard Israel as a mentally ill patient and that that excuses its behaviour. While I am not normally one to liken Israel to Nazi Germany, I wonder how Chernus would have dealt with Hitler. After all, is not the current Israeli view on settlements analogous to Hitler's Lebensraum policy? Could Chernus have found some psychologist to make a diagnosis of Hitler's Germany, so that it could be excused its take-over of the Sudetenland? Bush was fond of invoking Chamberlain's appeasement policy as an example not to be followed with respect to Iraq, but the US has had this policy towards Israel for over 40 years.
In fact, it is clear in the statements of the leaders of Zionism that, if one is to describe it in human terms the Israel project has, from its inception, been a straighforward, if brilliantly executed, exercise in greed and ruthlessness. They went to Palestine to steal the land of its inhabitants and they said as much:
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages.
You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address
to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
Or would Chernus characterize this as some form of psychosis and so excusable?
As to Israel taking notice of POTUS, let me remind Chernus of the words of Sharon to Peres: "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Israel
When Israel began its attack on Gaza late last year, it was supported in the ruthless and long premeditated attack on a largely civilian and unprotected population by the House of Representative by a vote of 390 to 5. I doubt whether you could find that kind of majority in favor of motherhood! No, I am afraid that Obama will make the right kind of noises, but ultimately he, like preceding presidents (including Johnson, who allowed Israel to bomb USS Liberty and kill 34 US crewmembers and injure 171 with no response) will just roll over and let Israel do as it wishes. Sharon was right!
All this discussion of the mind set of Jews in America or Jews in Israel is pointless. The solution to the problem is for the United States to STOP FUNDING ISRAEL.
That's it. Stop funding the racist apartheid state of Israel and thereby stop the illegal 'settlements' and the illegal occupation of Palestine and solve the Israeli/Palestinian problem.
With out funding and weapons from the United States, the people in the land area that was Palestine can all form one nation. All of these people, regardless of race, gender and religious customs, must have the same rights and responsibilities as citizens in the new nation. This new nation will make new rules for immigration into the nation. The new nation must be a secular state.
We must stop funding the Israeli military and use our tax funds to meet the needs of the people from whom these funds are derived. Let's use American tax funds taking care of American needs.