A religious war they say now? From the smell you might have thought it was a barbecue.

There is no "secular" Israeli government. A nation created for the purposes of securing the mythology of a religious group isn't defending itself. They are killing others to perpetuate their fantasy. The people they kill are no more real to them than so many chickens. In Israel people are Jews and non-people are not really worthy of consideration.

In a few minutes an Israeli propoganda officer will be here to tell you that this was all a mistake and that Israel had to defend itself from rocket attacks that kill fewer people than Israeli auto accidents by killing Palestinian children. He doesn't really think those children in Gaza were dead people so the comments will be a little off.

Just watch.

I can believe it! The Israeli's went to a lot of effort to turn it into a religious war! There is nothing like religion to get people fired up to a bloody slaughter of innocents who are being portrayed as heathens not fit to live among the religious. Who imagine they are defending something God gave them centuries ago. That they are superior to everyone else in this world because they are 'God's Chosen People'. Until Jews and Christian's both get over the ignorance in the bible. The myth that God gave these people the land centuries ago. There is going to be strife in the region. The Israeli's are going to see it as their duty to rid their land of all non-Jews. The Jews are just as bigoted and racist as any Moslem's thought about being. The best thing that could happen to this planet is to ban all religion. It's the root of all evil in this world.

Religious extremism is always dangerous regardless of what religion they are practicing. When you add the sickness of "nationalism" to it-it becomes twice as dangerous. Israel is a profoundly dangerous country.

And people still call Israel a democracy....It is nothing but a vile, racist, apartheid theocracy. Worse than any Islamic theocracy.

I recently watched a documentary on the Nazi/Russian fighting during WW 2. Soilders on both sides were told to go house to house, floor to floor, and shoot anything that lived. Nice to see Israeli leaders in tune with Stalin and Hitler (US leaders also for that matter).

True Jews Are Anti-Zionist And Support Justice For The Palestinian People

"Who are the true Jews?"

"Always siding with the slave, never with the slave-master."

"What makes the Palestinian a slave?"

"Having his/her homeland occupied by another people."

"And what turns the Jewish settler into a slave-master?"

"Being the occupier."

"What's the answer?"

"Jewish colonizer and colonized Palestinian sit down together for the purpose of figuring things out."

"Based on?"

"One equals one."

"Anything else?"

"Yes we can."

"The general atmosphere among people I spoke to was . . . the lives of Palestinians are . . . let's say far, far less important from the lives of our soldiers,"

**or rather less important than the lives of jews.
Its just human supremacy.
I cant really blame them too harshly since the concept of thinking you are better than others isnt condemned--even by some CD posters. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

Humans who eat meat or hunt, or say they have a right to go into national parks and shoot bears if they get threatened, they are just like these zionists.
They think they have a divine right to oppress others.
Whether its bears, chickens, gentiles, the poor, etc.

There are people who are anti-racism who hate gays. There are gays who are racist. Humans arent very consistent about these things.

And then some will say the trouble isnt human nature but religion. And yet who created religion? Secularism is a religious belief system according to academic philosophy. China is secular and its also a supremacist society.

If you want to fight zionism, fight the idea that one group of humans is better than other living beings.
If you just say: "we are all humans" then you arent fighting the myth that someone is superior, you are just adding a few more members to the snob club.

The Governmnet of Israel is suffering an extreme backlash over its invasion of Gaza, even from the United States of America where they could once count on overwhelming support.

The eyes of the world are finally opening to the reality of what the Government of Israel has become.

They sent out their minions in droves to monitor boards such as these and to try and turn the debate into one of Israel as victim so as to stem the outrage but failed in that regard.

These latest reports of atrocities will be "investigated " and there will certainly be punishment meted out but all of that will simply be for the purpose of "catapulting the propaganda"

The underlying motive for this is not because the Government of Israel wants to be a "Moral state" and one concerned with the principles of human rights. It is because they want to be PERCEIVED as such so that they can continue to count on the support of the United States of America and other such countries as they steal the lands of the peoples of Palestine.

While they might send a soldier or two to prison, or censure a commander, the underlying POLICIES will not change. They will continue to kidnap palestinains at will. They will continue extra-judicial assassinations. They will continue to expand settlements on the West bank. They will continue to push down olive trees and steal palestinian water. They will continue to pursue policies of expansionism.

They will provoke more wars, go through this entire process again, and then once more try to regain support for their actions by more "sober reflection of the actions of our soldiers" with the press fed every detail and Government officials loudly proclaiming they will investigate every wrongdoing.

In order to show his submission to Yahweh, Abraham was willing to sacrifice his own son. The Government of Israel will have no problem sacrificing a few of her soldiers to show their own submission to Zionism and "Ersatz Israel"

Bring America Back !!!!...The evidence that Gaza was and is another intentional Israeli Genocide is overwhelming !!!! I echo the posts of 'horrified' and greatbear215 below.

**prior to the attack, the US Army Corps of Engineers set up a mock Gaza city on Israel lands and provided training to the IDF on the best ways to attack the people of Gaza. Much blood then is on the hands of US Army personnel, and we must pinpoint the specific names of the military, quasi-military, and contractors who participated in the Attack==religious or not ! We must identify all these exact names, from the troops on the ground to the commanders at the 5-sided puzzle palace at the Pentagon. Hopefully one of us Progs will have the time to file a freedom of info act request, including the amount of US Taxpayer monies invested in planning, executing, and covering-up GAZA !

**300 to 400 of the Palestinian dead are innocent, defenseless children !!!!

**At least two other headliners in today's CD are documenting Israeli soldier admissions and testimonies they intentionally fired upon Gaza civilians.

**Culpability most surely extends to then President Bush in FAILING to demand that the IDF stop its Gaza attacks, it's starvation campaigns, food blockades,and medical boat ship interventions. Most assuredly, another War Crime from the Bush war mongers.

**Even more culpable, then President = elect Obama failed as well to demand a cease fire and withdrawal by Israel. Just the opposite, He made an inoccuous statement that if his daughters were in the line of fire from Palestinian rockets, that He would do the SAME THING as Israel. This gave the IDF even more impetus to continue shedding Gazan blood !!!

**Therefore, even before becoming President, as a US Senator, Obama shares
guilt for Gaza !! Those 300 to 400 innocent dead kids were also someone's daughters, sons, cousins, grandchildren and friends.

**Just as magically and mysteriously, the IDF withdrew from Gaza on the exact day of the Inauguration--Jan 20 ! So, the Obama inaugural balls danced on the graves of 1500 dead Gazans, thousands more injured and homeless and displaced !
Not even one ounce of regret from either the departing criminal Bush cabal, or the incoming Obama team.

**Now the Obama Administration throws more US millions to the rebuilding of the Gaza Strip==again without so much as an apology for being part and parcel of the attacks themselves !!!! What insolent, inhumane arrogance this is, and is a disgrace which will haunt our Leaders, past and present.

**It becomes easier and easier to condone Genocides, since it is exactly what the US has been doing in it's pre-emptive invasion of a defenseless Iraq, for the past 7 years. At some point even we American Sheeple must rise up in protest of our Nation's role as war criminals and war mongers. !

The genocidal mass murder and maiming of men, women and children is "Religious?"

I think it's time for the world to ban that fabricated Book of cruelty and avarice.

I can sure understand the Roman and Aryan points of view now.

Distortions of ancient texts say more about those who distort them than the intent of the texts. Try reading the bible in tandem with say... the Tao te Ching.

An example of distortion is the Doctrine of Discovery
http://ili.nativeweb.org/sdrm_art.html

The tribal storm and war god, Yahweh, commanded the little wandering tribes to go forth and take the towns and settlements of those who lived upon the land that He coveted. Over and over, He told them to kill all the people, animals, tear down the cities and leave nothing intact. On at least one occasion, when the Israelites had kept the choice animals to sacrifice to Yahweh, He chastised His people most severely for not following his orders.

Most gods have matured over the years and become more benign, but apparently the ancient god of war and storm has stayed the same, demanding ruthless slaughter in His name and cursing those who worship life and peace.

The US doesn't have the money for more war. Ours or anyone elses.
For our leaders to think otherwise is bad for the world but to have no one to run against them due to a lack of money, absents of media support and ignorance of voters...in that order...marks the end of our experiment with democracy.
If you are smart you will lay low and become self reliant within or near a small township or village that has water.
Good luck to everyone...
Israel has nuke weapons

Deepa

This is another example of how religion and God are (mis)used for the legitimation of the selfish-interests of the ruling classes.

Violence, both coercive and systemic, reigns in the world. This is institutionalized in modern social structures. The myth of redemptive violence undergirds popular culture, civil religion, nationalism and foreign policy. It lies at the root of the system of domination that has characterized human existence. A theology that affirms the salvific power of violence results in denigration of people, who are not part of the “God's chosen community”, permitting discrimination and violence. This reality is reflected in the violent history of religions that is steeped in blood, sacrifice and scapegoating. The brutal facts of the history of religions pose stark questions about the intertwining of religion and violence.

In any religious world there are atleast two streams and these streams have their own respective understanding of their God and religion. The socio-political stream which consisted of ruling and upper classes used their God and religion to sanction and legitimize their genocidal violence and expansionistic policies. A section of theologians, who are dependent for their sustenance on the ruling classes, are involved mainly to promote interests of ruling classes. Thus the large part of theological discourse supported the point of view of ruling classes and defended their genocidal violence.

Imperial and colonial powers (collaboration between Roman, Spanish, British, American empires and the Institutional Christian church) have used religion to support their volence, plunder and occupation of others' lands. Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Congo... are some of the examples.

It is time to STOP giving $3 billion in military aid to Israel each year (see Analysis: U.S. weapons used in Gaza http://ncronline.org/node/3104), especially when the IDF is using U.S. F-16 fighter-bombers, U.S. white phosphorous shells and bombs, U.S. attack helicopters, and U.S. M-16 rifles to murder and oppress Palestinian civilians in illegally occupied Gaza and the West Bank (see UN Chief Annan Calls on Israel to End 'Illegal Occupation' http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0312-08.htm), in clear violation of U.S. law. Section 4 of the (U.S.) Arms Export Control Act requires that military items transferred to foreign governments by the United States be used solely for internal security and legitimate self-defense.

Why is Israel such an exception to this law? Claims of "self-defense" in retaliation for Hamas' terrorist rockets are belied by the disproportionate number of civilians, especially children, killed during Israel's Gaza onslaught, and by Israel's criminal use of indiscriminate weapons of mass destruction, such as white phosphorous, cluster bombs, Dense Inert Metal Explosives (DIME), and flechettes (see Unconventional Weapons against The People of Gaza: Interview of Dr. Mads Gilbert http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11636 and Israeli army used flechettes against Gaza civilians http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/israeli-army-used-flechettes-against-gaza-civilians-20090127).

Two wrongs never make a right, but brutal and disproportionate retaliation against civilians, which was termed the war crime of "Collective Punishment" by the post-World War II Nuremberg Tribunals, will lead to more brutal reprisals as the insane cycle of violent revenge spins madly out of control.

If any other ally used U.S. military aid to kill and oppress civilians in illegally occupied land, there would be a loud outcry in Congress and the U.S. media with strong demands that such misused aid immediately cease.

We in the U.S. share some of the blame for the horrific injuries Israeli forces inflicted on Gazan civilians because many of these terrible weapons were developed here (see Mystery weapons allegedly used in Gaza developed at military bases in Va., Fla. http://www.southernstudies.org/2009/01/cancer-on-a-dime-mystery-weapons-allegedly-used-in-gaza-developed-at-military-bases-in-va-fla.html).

So it is time to end military aid to Israel, which has the sixth most powerful military on earth and, certainly, the most powerful in the Middle East, even without its approximately 200 nuclear weapons.

Unless and until the U.S. treats Palestinians as we treat Israelis, as full human beings deserving of all the human rights everyone is entitled to under the U.N.'s Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and unless and until BOTH Israelis and Palestinians respect each other as human beings, accept each other's sovereign states, and renounce violence against each other, there will never be a just peace. We must lead the way by ending the double standard of treatment of Israel and Palestine.

If Gaza is a giant outdoor prison, the State of Israel has become an asylum.

How can there ever be peace with religious fanatics, bigots, and racists dominating one side, while continuously accusing the other side of anti Semitic extremism?

One begets the other. And so long as Israel enjoys lockstep support from Jewish "liberals" in the United States, with the Lobby fronting for the fanatics, and our politicians fall over backwards not to appear soft on "Israel’s right to exist," there is very little hope.

When the Lobby accuses a politician, anyone, of anti Semiticism or of being a "self hating Jew" we must not cower and hide and plead for mercy. We must spit these disgusting slanders back in their unscrupulous faces.

Meerscheimer and Walt, Jimmy Carter and a few others have led the way. Now Israel appears to have begun to strangle on its own extremism. Hopefully there will soon be a day when attesting that Palestinians have rights too will not set off a fierce firestorm of fanaticism squelching all criticism Then the United States can finally do what it has to do.

Every Inquisition has its auto-da-fé.

· Yr Obd't Servant

"The testimonies indicated that the army, despite repeated claims that it was protecting civilian lives, was not instructing its troops to that effect."

Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method inexorably must choose lying as his principle.

~Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Once victims, now executioners...

But, at Durban, the US will be boycotting the international conference on racism, because as everyone knows, to even bring up the idea that Israel may be be committing atrocities based on race is horrible antisemitism.

---USAn---

"IDF is a secular army and is not run by any religious institution but by army commanders answering to the democratically elected government of the State of Israel".....which is a self discribed "Jewish State"...therfore thier army is by definition not secular.

while I dont believe in God, still, I DO hope there is a special hell for these people.

"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats

'Gott mit uns' should sound familiar to especially Jews who know their history. The rest of the animal kingdom has now sense of history, as far as we know, but this kind of behaviour really takes the biscuit!! If I were a Jew, I might consider renouncing my faith if I had any. After this, pointing fingers at the Germans for their past is something that's become impossible, you can be a Jew and a Nazi at the same time now. It's like Animal Farm; at the end pigs and human looked the same to the rest of the animals.

Gaza And The Warsaw Ghetto

same place

different time

while the world stood by

genocide

live

If the IDF is the most moral army in the world, it doesn't say much about all the others, does it?

And it claims to be secular too yet I've seen many photographs of IDF thugs praying before they go into battle! Funny thing that! And they have army rabbis too for the secular army!

The world is a strange place!

www.dangerouscreation.com

"If Gaza is a giant outdoor prison, the State of Israel has become an asylum."

Soon, it will become the world's largest panic room!

"Cee Miracles March 21st, 2009 9:37 pm

Ed: "It is time to STOP giving $3 billion in military aid to Israel each year ..."

From my readings, Ed, I believe the figure is 30 billion dollars per year. Either way, it's too much for a prosperous 1/2 nation receiving money from the Rothschild's and other similar financiers, plus the AIPAC-tainted U.S. government."

THAT IS INVALID in two ways.

*) It's $3bn a year, $30bn for the next ten years, but this is only the funding for military spending, of which of course around 70-75% has to be spent buying from the U.S. MIC, which is one of the wrongs about this, because the U.S. MIC has to be put in its damn grave; but what's also wrong about this is that in referring to only this $3bn a year, people help to hide the total $9bn a year of U.S. [taxpayer] dollars going to funding the extremely criminal state, not country, but state of Israel! The whole damn amount, the whole $9bn a year, needs to be terminated; not only the $3bn for military spending, weaponising, ... and mass murders and destruction!

*) It's not the Rothschilds' and AIPAC'atised U.S. govt that fund the government of the [state] of Israel; it's U.S. taxpayers' dollars that are [stolen] and criminal mis-allocated that are funding the wholly criminal government of the [state] of Israel. The Rothschilds' don't fund it; they partake in the theft of the U.S. taxpayers' dollars and in order to profit from this stolen money.

Oh, and AIPAC does NOT control the U.S. government, regardless if apparences cause some people to believe that the opposite is true. The real controllers of the U.S. government are much more powerful than AIPAC!

Quoting from the article:

One soldier, identified only as "Aviv," said he was bothered by open fire orders given to his unit for an operation that was later canceled.

"We were supposed to go in with an armored vehicle called an Ahzarit, break into the door and start to shoot inside and simply go up floor by floor. . . . I call this murder . . . to go up floor by floor and every person that we see we were to shoot," he said. "Aviv" served as a squad leader with the Givati unit in the Gaza neighborhood of Zeitoun.

"At first I said to myself how is this logical? Higher authorities said this was permissible because everyone left in the area and in the city of Gaza is condemned, is a terrorist, because they didn't run away."

END QUOTE

I thank these IDF soldiers for speaking out, but what's quoted above from the soldier going by the pseudo-name of Aviv shows that he needs to understand that the IDF had NO legal or moral right to be in Gaza to begin with, not even if the orders given to them had been ethical [if] invasion of Gaza was legally and morally justified, which it was NOT. The soldiers need to understand that it is NOT Hamas or Palestinians in general who are the aggressors, but that they instead are only trying to defend themselves, their country, lives, and right to exist in their country that is right to exist. The soldiers need to understand that it is Israel that is and has always been the aggressor and extremely criminal about it, or in its ways. And once the soldiers finally wake up to this reality, which is the true reality, then they need to understand that they must DISSENT against [all] orders given by the Israeli government for carrying out operations against Palestinians anywhere in Palestine as well as anywhere else that there are Palestinians. The soldiers need to understand that they are always carrying out totally criminal orders even when these don't appear criminal; because, again, Israel is [always] aggressor in this, and regardless of whether the orders appear ethical or not! The orders appearing strongly ethical are criminal; they are always about aggression, [war of aggression], supreme international crime!

I feel sad for the soldiers who are demonstrating soundness in important ways, but still not fully enough. Fully, is what's needed! LET NO MAN DICTATE YOUR ACTIONS! It is [you], each one of us, who must consider suggestions and orders, weigh them carefully but while making sure to be adequately informed, first, and then decide if the suggestions or orders for actions to carry out are acceptable, or not. And when we are not adequately informed, then make damn sure to tell the persons giving out orders that you can't provide a 'yes' or 'no' response until making yourself adequately informed, in order to be able to make a [responsible] decision.

LET NO MAN DICTATE YOUR ACTIONS; ACTIONS THAT YOU ARE TO CARRY OUT! Learn to DISSENT and to tell asshole dictators to go jump off of cliffs, or ... whatever alternative expression comes to your mind, as long as it's not one that is about blind obedience; as if you're no more intelligent than a dog trained to attack when given orders to do so. The dog will obey without thought, but we [must] apply real and critical thinking, and based on real and sane [conscience].

Anyway, the following are two related videos, one that's specifically related, while the other is indirectly related to the recent testimonies of the IDF soldiers.

"'Cold-blooded murder' of Gaza man's daughters - 20 Mar 09" (3:13), AlJazeeraEnglish, Mar 20 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7W06iJ8q3c

"Israeli soldiers say killing of civilians 'allowed' - 19 March 09" (3:32), AlJazeeraEnglish, Mar 19 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGITh9HPJ7g

Again, I THANK the IDF soldiers who have been speaking out, so of course including the group Breaking the Silence.

Having just done a search of Youtube to see if I'd find any current enough videos there about Breaking The Silence, I found the following one and it's directly related to the article of this CD page.

"Israel's Army Rabbi Gave Out Hate Leaflet to Troops" (1:28), theGlobalReport, Feb 4 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b19vVFqfCXU

BIBLE

B asic
I nstructions
B efore
L eaving
E arth,

Simple & Loving Instructions they are too,
The 2nd Commandment is,
Love Thy Neighbor As Thyself, Love Thy Neighbor As Thyself,
It is not Murder Thy Neighbor And Steal His Land.
No no, I checked.

Yikes! I think I'm a gentile.

The IDF have learned a lot in the Waffen SS

None of this will go anywhere. How is this any different from the Bush White House self-investigating? Israel will sacrifice a few soldiers to satisfy the public-and it will still be business as usual in Gaza. This is exactly what Israel does every time-and it's it's always been business as usual afterward. What's needed is an independent intenational inquiry into Gaza. Gotta be independent-and it's gotta be international, as well. Only way to really accomplish anything.

Yes, we are ALL "Gentiles", who aren't Jewish, and they hate us all, even as they whine about "anti-semitism" when anyone criticizes them. THEN, they are a Race and a Religion; the rest of the time , when it suits their deceptions, they are "secular".
This unholy RACIST war they are perpetrating on the Palestinians is based on nothing so much as pure GREED. Their "God-given Superiority" as a big steaming pile of BS, and they demonstrate it every day!

This report just in, no doubt showing their "Secular side" and their obvious love of fashion and bragging rights:
"Dead babies, mothers weeping on their childrens' graves, a gun aimed at a child and bombed-out mosques - these are a few examples of the images Israel Defense Forces soldiers design these days to print on shirts they order to mark the end of training, or of field duty."

"The slogans accompanying the drawings are not exactly anemic either: A T-shirt for infantry snipers bears the inscription "Better use Durex," (a brand of condom) next to a picture of a dead Palestinian baby, with his weeping mother and a teddy bear beside him. A sharpshooter's T-shirt from the Givati Brigade's Shaked battalion shows a pregnant Palestinian woman with a bull's-eye superimposed on her belly, with the slogan, in English, "1 shot, 2 kills."

"There is a perception that the Palestinian is not a person, a human being entitled to basic rights, and therefore anything may be done to him."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072466.html

Why did they let them back in, in the first place? After being dispersed among the Europeans for the last two thousand years, their blood lines have probably been so diluted that you have to wonder if there is any real "Jewish" blood left in these people?

Perpetuating the "myth" of "God", is only beneficial to those who do so, if that "God" makes a "choice" of who will be the "chosen" ones of that "God".

This was not known among the Native People of the Americas if it ever had been was long forgotten, and was introduced by the European Christians most likely as a justification for the destruction of countless cultures and tribes and as many as 500 million individuals.

Things haven't changed much, and one would think that the Jews now known as the "Israelis" would have learned something from the "holocaust" they often use now as a justification for the illegal occupation of Palestine, and the same terrible actions against those people, that was visited upon the Jews just slightly over sixty years ago. But then when you are the "chosen ones", you've got "God on your side" and you can do what you damn well please-----if you have the money of course.

Which brings me to the point of this posting.
Taking into consideration all of the atrocities committed by human beings against other human beings, in the name of that "God",i.e. Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, Jesus, etc--- in the past two thousand years alone---I am convinced that that "entity known as God" DOES NOT EXIST. But if I am wrong, I would never give my allegiance, prayers, propitiation---or "money" to such a cruel and thoughtless being that would allow so much innocent blood to be spilled in "his
name". Personally, I would worry about a "God" that needed so much help from all of these "lowly humans"----especially with m-o-n-e-y.

In the distant future, if human kind will allow itself to evolve into the beings that they are capable of; beings that have developed technology that allows them to leave their own planet, cure diseases, and so much more--they will look back in dismay at their ancestors who were simply barbarians with high technology who wasted their potential.

If that happens the USA will no doubt stand out as the primary negative example.
After their own history of genocide, in the name of "God" and "manifest destiny"
being the leaders in the development of so much of that technology, they were not only tragically foolish enough to forget their own crimes against humanity,
they "financed" the Jews in THEIR crimes against humanity.

Hey folks, your tax dollars at work for you and "God"-----

Good Luck America, you really need it.

How can the US claim to protect freedom and promote peace when they fund the destruction of a country by another and then pay to reconstruct.

To add insult to this injury, this money is all included in the pathetic foreign aid budget which still doesn't meet the promises the US government made.

Imagine how many lives in developing countries could be saved with $3 bn per year. But I guess this doesn't go into the pockets of rich Americans, so isn't the kind of foreign aid the US govt supports.

Gods don't kill people, people with gods kill people.

Bomb Thy Neighbor As Thyself
Blessed are the Merciless, for they Shall Inherit the Earth,
Blessed are the IDF, Chosen by God,
To Kill Thy Brother,
Rape They Sister,
To Do Unto Others,
As You Would Have Them
Do Unto You.