UNITED NATIONS - The 15-member U.N. Security Council (UNSC) is set to lose its credibility once again as it prepares to impose a third set of sanctions on Iran while failing to pass any strictures on Israel for its continued heavy-handed repression of Palestinians in Gaza.
"Many ask whether the UNSC still has any credibility left," says Mouin Rabbani, contributing editor to the Washington-based Middle East Report.
But the more pertinent question, he pointed out, "is whether it should have any -- after its consistent failure to ensure either peace or security, and of turning a malignantly blind eye to so many threats to peace and security and the basic rights of many millions."
"Indeed, the UNSC's continued obsession with Iran's apparently non-existent nuclear weapons programme, and its dogged determination to do nothing of consequence to address Israel's very real occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip -- to the point of currently failing to issue even the lamest of statements on the humanitarian catastrophe in the Gaza Strip -- speaks volumes," Rabbani said.
"And this is in a conflict the United Nations played a direct role in creating in 1947," he added.
After four days of intense closed-door negotiations last week, the UNSC failed to come up either with a resolution against Israel or a unanimous non-binding presidential statement.
With the United States demanding a stronger text critical of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, the UNSC lacked consensus for a collective statement condemning Israel's decision to choke Palestinians in Gaza and cutting off electricity and humanitarian supplies.
The decision-makers in the UNSC, which also has 10 rotating non-permanent members, are the five veto-wielding permanent members, namely the United States, Britain, France, China and Russia.
In a strong statement issued last week, John Dugard, the U.N. special rapporteur on human rights, said that Israeli action violates the strict prohibition on collective punishment contained in the Fourth Geneva Convention governing conflicts.
"It also violates one of the basic principles of international humanitarian law that military action must distinguish between military targets and civilian targets," he said.
Dugard singled out the killing of some 40 Palestinians in Gaza and the targeting of a government office near a wedding party venue resulting in the loss of civilian lives.
"The closure of crossings into Gaza raises very serious questions about Israel's respect for international law and its commitment to the (Middle East) peace process," he added.
While it remains paralysed over Israel -- as often happens because of the protection afforded to the Jewish state by the United States, Britain and France -- the UNSC is readying for a third set of sanctions against Iran.
"For the Security Council to bow to U.S. pressure to impose additional sanctions on Iran despite its lack of an active nuclear weapons programme will seriously harm the U.N.'s credibility," said Stephen Zunes, professor of politics and international studies at the University of San Francisco.
For more than 26 years, he pointed out, Israel has been in violation of UNSC resolution 487 which calls upon Israel to "place its nuclear facilities under IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) safeguard."
Yet -- despite deciding to "remain seized of the matter" -- the Security Council has refused to even threaten sanctions, Zunes told IPS.
Similarly, he said, there have been no threats of sanctions against India and Pakistan for remaining in violation of resolution 1172 to end their nuclear weapons programmes for almost a decade.
"It is particularly ironic that the United States is taking the lead in pushing for U.N. sanctions on a nuclear-related issue, given that, as a result of its recent deal with India, Washington is now in violation of article 8 of resolution 1172, which calls on all states to prevent the export of technology that could in any way assist that country's nuclear weapons programme," said Zunes, who is also Middle East editor for the Foreign Policy in Focus project at the Institute for Policy Studies.
The last two UNSC resolutions imposing sanctions on Iran, first in December 2006 and then in March 2007, called on Tehran to suspend all uranium-enrichment related activities and also banned arms sales and froze Iranian assets in overseas financial institutions.
But Iran has consistently maintained that its nuclear programme is essentially civilian-oriented, and that it has no plans to produce nuclear weapons.
Last month, the National Intelligence Estimate -- a collective study by all U.S. intelligence agencies -- said that Iran has not re-started its nuclear weapons programme, as of mid-2007.
The report, described as a political bombshell which jolted the administration of President George W. Bush, also declared Iran currently has no nuclear weapons.
Despite the widely-circulated report, the UNSC's proposed move for a third set of sanctions against Iran has challenged the credibility of the U.S.-driven world body itself.
"It's not much of an exaggeration to characterise the purported world body as the United Nations of America," said Rabbani.
A key reason for this, he argued, is the marginalisation of U.N. organs, like the 192-member General Assembly, and the growing monopoly on U.N. decision-making by the Security Council.
He said the latter was constituted in the days when empires still reigned supreme and most of the globe was dominated by less than a handful of great powers, and hasn't changed since.
"For states like the UK and France to have powers of veto while, for example, Japan or Brazil aren't even permanent members is an affront to the 21st century," Rabbani said.
Taken together, he said, this means the United Nations is a thoroughly undemocratic, indeed anti-democratic institution, certainly when compared to other multilateral institutions where decisions are made either by consensus or on the basis of majority votes.
"At least in the World Bank, money talks," he said.
In this context, the end of the Cold War and U.S.-Soviet rivalry removed many of the remaining obstacles to the ability of a single power to dominate U.N. decision-making.
If the U.S. proved unable to consistently get its own way, it has at least been able to ensure that not a single decision goes against it or favoured allies such as Israel.
A pertinent example was its rush to condemn the Basque separatist organisation, ETA, for the Madrid bombings, in a transparent attempt to bolster then Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's prospects for re-election on the eve of the 2005 Spanish parliamentary elections.
"To the best of my knowledge, it has never issued a correction," said Rabbani.
"In my view, the extraordinary damage done to the U.N. system by the subordination of the entire organisation to the UNSC can only be reversed if and when other U.N. organs such as the General Assembly assume their rightful role in the organization," he declared. "But this is a virtually unimaginable development in the foreseeable future."
Meanwhile, "as for the Russians and the Chinese", an Arab diplomat told IPS, "They are trading off their vetoes in return for Western support to protect their own national interests."
"The Chinese will continue to cave in to American demands until the successful completion of the Olympics in August," he added. So, Chinese support for a sanctions resolution on Iran is no surprise.
The Bush administration has come under pressure from human rights activists who say that only a U.S. threat to boycott the Olympics could force the Chinese to drop their opposition to harsh sanctions against Burma (Myanmar) and Sudan, two countries with strong military and economic ties to Beijing.
But the White House is unlikely to support such a boycott.
© 2008 Inter Press Service
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Show AllHi Jim
This thread is off the board now, but just in case you are still checking it.... I agree, it is not a technical over-ride (probably a bad choice of term on my part to try and get the point across) but what it does appear to do is to allow the passing of a General Assembly resolution which could achieve effectively the same thing (eg mount a force etc) as a Security Council resolution, although only as a voluntary recommendation. The important difference to a Security Council resolution is that it cannot be vetoed so the resolution would stand regardless of what the vetoing power thought. I agree it would be very effective despite its limitations. It frustrates me that it is never mentioned as an option in the media and so many people appear unaware of it.
Great to chat to you. Hopefully we'll have further discussions in the future.
Thanks peace please,
I checked the articles and what i think even historically is that the uniting for peace resolution by the General Assembly even if supported by a majority of the Security council, doesn't over ride a Security Council member's veto.
In the instances where it did change the veto powers like France and Britain was when Ike used it to put the UN pressure on them and they backed down from the pressure but not a technical over ride which I don't believe is in the rules.
But it is the next best thing and should be used now to embarrass the US and Israel who talk about peace but engage in the racket of war instead to have a general assembly resolution for a Cease fire in Gaza.
This would be very effective.... Bush would probably veto but maybe not for his needed legacy but certainly a UN resolution for a cease fire in Gaza which Hamas and Fatah and the whole world would support should also now be a test question to be asked for all US presidential and congressional candidates.
The UfP resolution is a heavy and so far unused move concerning Israel in this new millennium.
I am trying to post a response to tailcap and Jim Glover but it won't post so just testing to see if this works :-)
OK so now it is up twice saying it is awaiting moderation and I can't edit it....Sorry folks! (what's the story with moderation?)
Here are some links to more information from the UN (and a couple of relevant articles as well) giving you "straight from the horse's mouth" information on the UfP resolution (what it actually says) and some information about peace keeping and interventions for peace in general.
General Assembly Uniting for Peace Resolution 377 can be downloaded from the UN website http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/landmark/amajor.htm (scroll down to it and pick what language you want it in, and it will then download in pdf format).
A couple of relevant sections:
A
1. Resolves that if the Security Council, because of
lack of unanimity of the permanent members, fails to
exercise its primary responsibility for the maintenance
of intermitional peace and security in any case where
there appears to be a threat to the peace, breach of the
peace, or act of aggression, the General Assembly shall
consider the matter immediately with a view to making
appropriate recommendations to Members for collective
measures, including in the case of a breach of the
peace or act of aggression the use of armed force when
necessary, to maintain or restore international peace
and security. If not in session at the time, the General
Assembly may meet in emergency special session within
twenty-four hours of the request therefor. Such emergency
special session shall be called if requested by the
Security Council on the vote of any seven members, or
by a majority of the Members of the United Nations;
C
7. Invites each Member of the United Nations to
survey its resources in order to determine the nature
and scope of the assistance it may be in a position to
render in support of any recommendations of the
Security Council or of the General Assembly for the
restoration of international peace and security ;
I am not an international law expert, but this suggests to me that either a Security Council OR a General Assembly resolution is sufficient to mount either an intervention or a peace keeping force. While the GA can only make "recommendations" which are not binding on the members, if it did decide to use a Uniting for Peace resolution to say, mount a force to take medicines or fuel into Gaza, then I think it is able to do so and in this sense is able to over-ride a Security Council veto. In fact during the 1956 Suez crisis, a UN force was sent in to Sinai to confront French and British forces on the basis of a Uniting for Peace resolution. Countries are not obliged to enforce such a resolution, but should they choose to they have UN authorisation to do so - that is my understanding anyway, and the mounting of a force on the basis of a UfP resolution during the Suez crisis seems to support that interpretation - but I am happy to stand corrected by anyone who knows more about international law than I do.
As for it requiring the consent of the warring parties, as far as I understand it, this is the case for the establishment of peace keeping forces and is true also for a Security Council resolution. I do not think consent is required for a Chapter 7 intervention, or apparently for a Uniting for Peace intervention as the 1956 situation showed (since the French and British clearly hadn't consented). A really good website to read about peacekeeping is the UN peace keeping operations departments FAQ section http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/faq/preview.htm.
Once an agreement has been reached between the parties, and with their agreement, the UN can then send in peace keeping forces. The UN website (http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/dpko/faq/q1.htm) again gives the following information
"Peacekeeping is a way to help countries torn by conflict create conditions for sustainable peace. UN peacekeepers—soldiers and military officers, police and civilian personnel from many countries—monitor and observe peace processes that emerge in post-conflict situations and assist conflicting parties to implement the peace agreement they have signed" - in other words the conflicting parties need to have signed a peace agreement before the UN can go in to help maintain it.
A good article which discusses the benefits etc of a Uniting for Peace resolution to try to force withdrawal after the 2003 Iraq invasion is at http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=3376
Sorry about the long post. Hopefully these links are useful.
tailcap,
I googeled it and found a couple out of many but I don't know
http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/3901.htm
and this one from 2003 talks about reforms http://www.progressivetheology.org/essays/2003.10.01-Future-UN.html
this one says no http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/United-Nations/The-General-Assembly-F...
and it includes "uniting for peace resolution" but it doesn't say anything about overriding the Veto:
"Extension of the Assembly's Power to Discuss and Recommend through the Uniting for Peace Resolution
Designed to secure maximum unity of action in moments of acute danger, Article 12, in fact, proved to be the chief obstacle to action of any kind during successive crises in the years just after World War II. The effectiveness of the entire system presupposed a spirit of unanimity among the great powers in their determination to end a particular dispute that appeared to threaten international peace and security. However, on each postwar occasion when the great powers might have been expected to display unanimity, the USSR and the four other permanent members of the Security Council took opposite sides in the dispute. As a result, precisely because each of them possessed the veto, all council action was deadlocked. Meanwhile, the General Assembly, prevented from taking action of its own accord because of Article 12, was forced to stand by helplessly.
It was the seriousness of the Korean crisis that finally impelled the General Assembly to take steps to break through its constitutional straitjacket. Following a deadlock in the council in 1950, when the USSR vetoed a United States-sponsored resolution in connection with the entry of the People's Republic of China into the Korean conflict on the side of North Korea, the General Assembly adopted a resolution that enabled it to circumvent the restrictions imposed by Article 12. This act, which came to be known as the "Uniting for Peace Resolution," provides that if the Security Council, because of lack of unanimity among its permanent members, fails to exercise its primary responsibility in the maintenance of peace, in a case where there appears to be a threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression, the General Assembly shall consider the matter immediately with a view to making recommendations to members for collective measures, including if necessary the use of armed force. Although the Uniting for Peace Resolution thus considerably extends the General Assembly's powers with respect to maintenance of international peace and security, it in no way represents an attempt to usurp the Security Council's prerogatives. Nor does it attempt to arrogate to the General Assembly the enforcement powers that the charter accorded to the Security Council alone. Even under the Uniting for Peace Resolution, the General Assembly can only recommend that members undertake collective peacekeeping measures; it cannot oblige them to do so. Nor can it impose peacekeeping action against the will of the parties to a dispute. It must obtain their explicit consent to the presence of UN personnel—observer commissions, mediators, troops—in their territories.
The Uniting for Peace Resolution has been invoked in several major crises: the Middle East (1958, 1967), Hungary (1956), Suez (1956), the Congo (1960), Afghanistan (1980), Palestine (1980, 1982), Namibia (1981), the occupied Arab territories (1982) and illegal Israeli actions in occupied East Jerusalem and the rest of the occupied Palestinian Territory (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002). In all cases, the emergency special sessions addressed situations in which the Security Council found itself deadlocked. (See the discussion of peacekeeping operations in the chapter on International Peace and Security.)"
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So I can't find it.
Jim
peace please January 31st, 2008 3:35 am
"Security Council Veto CAN BE OVER RIDDEN by an "Uniting for Peace" resolution in the General Assembly."
Thanks for informing me. I have never heard that the UN Security Council can be overridden by the General Assembly. Totally news to me. I thought the Security Council was given the power to veto so they could keep the rest of the world in check. If they can be overridden I don't understand why they never are.
Does anyone know if this has ever happened? Thanks.
How do you lose something you never had?
And come to think of it, what have they done for Acne?
I agree the UN does good for hunger in the world and has many charitable programs... but when I said it is useless except to the New World Order, I am talking about the context of this article which is .... read it it is at the top.
For whatever reason, politically it is a tool of the big powers who profit from war... they always seem to act in the interests of the War profiteers and MIC.
Now there is some agreement of the left and right on the Ruling Class that has controlled the war game throughout history.. this is a good thing!
When I say Illuminati or New World order I am referring to the Ruling Class... maybe there ain't a real Illuminati anymore but it has become part of our lexicon so sue me.
Big George Bush and his son Little George who has become the family secret keeper for this international crime syndicate and others of his class like Skull and Bones and other secret societies (Bilderberg Meetups) refer to the New World Order so we know what it is and If they wanted to keep that a secret they should have just shut up and gone into low paid social work.
So don't get bent when we talk about the uselessness of the UN when it comes to really stopping the War Machine. They are useful at making the big powers seem a little less dangerous by some relief of some of the millions of the War Machine Victims...
But that is nothing compared to what they are supposed to be doing... Ending War.
So I still say when you add it all up in my opinion when it comes to the Crime's of War, they are tools of the Machine and pretty damn useless... maybe someday they will stop that and help guide the world revolution towards harmony.
Not holding my breath,
Jim
McCain and or Clinton = eternal war
Israel + United States = eternal war
Ardee, I would agree with you about the amount of good the UN does on a Worldwide scale, whether it be famine relief, helping victims of earthquakes or tsunamis.
The fact is, that this article highlights the duplicity of the UN security council when dealing with Israel and Iran. This situation cannot be ignored, because it has existed for the past forty years, and as Hedology points out, the security council exists as a weapon to use against any nation which stands in the way of the US. We need only look at the earthquake victims of Bam in Iran, this disaster killed upwards of 20000 people and flattened the ancient city. In a latest round of sanctions against Iran, the Iranian banking institutions have been hit. The World bank has stopped sending aid to Iran, under the pretence that it be used to fund terror organisations.
Yes, the UN does a lot of good work, but it is also being used by the US to cripple nations who stand up to Uncle Sam.
My goodness, I had to wade through a ream or so of childish and, sadly, ignorant pilng on of a body, the United Nations, before oming to a far too few posters who actually had access to fact.
Those of you who gang rape this organistaion should really take the time to learn about what it does. You would think, from the sophomoric garbage read here, that this august body begins and ends with the Security Council.
Did any of you acne scarred adolescents ever here of the wonderful work done by the various UN relief agencies around the world? Or do you just get some sort of sexual thrill in kicking something you know damned little about? If any wonder why this nation is in the mess we are, a reading of the stupidity of our electorate, as amply demonstrated here, shows rather plainly the why of things.
The UN is not without some merits. Until a majority of member nations can collectively and seriously hurt big offenders like Israel and USA, without much cost to themselves, there is little chance controlling the big bad boys. Social sanctions work better if the punishment of sanctions to one out weighs the cost to everyone else. Moral and legal victories are hollow without recourse to costs. And there the great inequalities of wealth and means between a few rich nations and many poor ones destroys hope. If the costs are severe on poorer countries, just look at how the US withdrew its piddling amounts of aid to nations that opposed the Iraq invasions, then little can be done individually. Also countries seem to expect influance and power in proportion to economic and military might,and how much of this they contribute to the UN, rather than other criteria, such as population numbers or needs. So power is bought. One hope was that war crimes and crimes against humanity could be defined in legal terms, and an international law system, bring individual offenders out of the protection of their home countries to justice. Many of US of I administration, and many third world dictators could in theory be caught and tried by law. But without a world police force with international impunity to arrest the powerfully corrupt, and without cooperation from the powerful nations themselves, the only results could be obtained by banding all small nations together to make an arrest force. Resistance to this would be an act of war of one nation against the entire world. A possession of Armageddon quantities of nuclear weapons is also a thoughtful deterrent. Which is just about what the US of I does.
tailcap
"nobody can do anything about that because we have veto power"
Please, somebody, read my post above - the Security Council Veto CAN BE OVER RIDDEN by an "Uniting for Peace" resolution in the General Assembly. The rest of the world does not just have to sit back and do as it is told. They/we in the General Assembly have the power to pass resolutions regardless of a Security Council veto - the fact that this almost never happens and is rarely even discussed as an option is to my mind the true failure of the UN.
I totally agree with Saffiya, who says that the UN is an extension of the US. The concept of the UN is a very sound idea in principle, but flawed in the real World. I am not an anti American person, but people reading what I have to say might come to that conclusion. The problem is, that there are a lot of people in the World who cannot take criticism, this is particularly prevalent in the administrations of the US and Israel. Together they control the UN and use it for their own designs - they are the puppetmasters pulling the strings. Here are some facts which the ordinary, informed people of our countries (the US and UK) should present to our elected representatives.
Iran has broken no rules of the NPT
Iran is not a threat to it's neighbours, because it has not started a war in centuries.
The US is using the UN as a tool to gain revenge for the 1979 revolution and subsequent hostage situation.
There is no legitimacy to the sanctions placed on Iran, because there is no evidence that they have done anything wrong, and certainly have not been involved in any terrorist acts recently.
Israel have defied countless UN resolutions.
Israel have carried out pre-emptive strikes on their neighbours.
Israel have continued to keep the citizens of Gaza in concentration camp like conditions, where they starve them of food and power.
Israel routinely punish the Palestinian civilians as a whole, for the criminal deeds of a few.
Israel, in the recent attacks on Lebanon, deliberately targetted civilians, whilst the World, particularly the US and UK, looked on and did nothing. Our so called "civilised" countries stand by and let Israel kill innocent civilians. It has got to the stage where we don't even condemn Israel's actions.
Is it any wonder that the Palestinians resort to measures (suicide bombings, random rocket attacks) which we find unpalatable, when they have been deserted by the lawmakers of the World?
As I get older, I find myself becoming increasingly disgusted by the actions of my country and the US. We have messed up the modern World, and we feign surprise and indignation when other countries stand up to us.
The Security Council is a creation, and lap dog, of the United States. They never have any credibility. But in the case of Iran, it does not matter. There is very little that sanctions can do to Iran and they can withstand the Nazi regimes in Israel and the U.S. Russia and China, however, are going to have to start taking a harder line against the U.S. just to show this country that reality is not what Bush and the ?Clintons think it is, but a hard world for the U.S. to expand its imperial reach. And there are ever indications that this is going to happen. In one of the better books on U.S. imperialism, Emmanuel Todd has predicted that more and more nations will begin to look to Russia for protection against the U.S., and this is beginning to happen.
"...means the United Nations is a thoroughly undemocratic, indeed anti-democratic institution...[run by the USA]...where decisions are made [n]either by consensus [n]or on the basis of majority votes." Yup.
I think any self-respecting nation should just resign. What is the point of being part of an organization where you job is to lend credibility but have no say?
The UN is completely dominated by the US and that's why Israel, Pakistan, and India plus the five permanent members of the UNSC can have nuclear WMD but Iran can't have a reactor for power even though it's legal.
The US is the one that is in violation of the NPT because we were supposed to start eliminating our stockpiles not build new ones (like the bunker-busting mini-nukes). But never mind, nobody can do anything about that because we have veto power and we are the good guys of course.
Hugo Chavez is right:The UN should be moved from the US.
As a well-informed citizen, I know that Saddam chose war because CBS News told me so. Now it appears that the Iranians are also choosing war. What's a peace-loving country like ours going to do with all these warmongers forcing us to go to war with them? Why can't they just leave us alone?
Don't confuse the UN as a body with that useless part of it, the security council. It is the UNSC which causes more problems than it solves. The passing of resolutions but allowing Israel to ignore them but invading another country on the pretext that one gave the USA and Britain authority.
If the UNSC is to have any credibility it has to represent the interests all nations and not just 5 and their lackies.
Everything the US of A touches or is involved in becomes shit.
Cheers.
thomas j hussey
"As long as one nation on the SC can block action, the UN will never mean anything. I have no ready solution, but the veto power needs to be revised."
There ALREADY IS a mechanism to over-ride a security council veto. It is called a Uniting for Peace resolution (a mechanism created by General Assembly Resolution 377) and was designed to break exactly these kinds of deadlocks in the Security Council. The way it works is that either 7 Security council members or a majority of General Assembly members call an emergency meeting of the General Assembly and put the deadlocked resolution to the Assembly. If it is passed in the GA, the resolution is BINDING on the Security Council. The Uniting for Peace resolution was used most famously during the Suez crisis when the French and British were vetoing Security Council resolutions, and it worked, they withdrew their troops from Suez within a week.
The UN is not helpless in the face of a US (or any other) Security Council veto - what we seem to be lacking is the political will in the rest of the world to use the mechanism that is already there to get these resolutions passed (they may still be ignored, but at least world opinion is on the record, and the UN is then authorised to act even without US cooperation). A permanent member of the Security council can only block resolutions if the rest of the world allows them to.
We had better hold onto the absurdly-flawed UN at least until we have a BETTER place in which to talk at all. If we don't talk, the militarists win. And when the world outside these 6 nations pulls itself together and forces them to listen (for the 6 depend on them), we'll see change. As empires they have all thrived on the rest of the world's disunity. Who else can still be stacking the deck so much in favor of injustice as to accomplish nothing more than to keep war going?
what credibility?
"The US needs to annex Israel or cut it loose. The current policy is insane." -- kivals
Actually, it seems that on Middle Eastern issues that Israel has already annexed the US -- at least the US government, congress and media.
>>calling for abolition of the UN is a horrible mistake.
Agreed.
I challenge anyone reading this to name 2 treaties the US has signed through the UN.
Can't name them?
What does the UN Charter say about nuclear war?
Don't know?
Then you don't know anything about the UN that the corporate-owned MSM has wanted you to know. Making noise about "getting rid" of it, or how broken it is, is ill informed when you've never even read about it.
Type "anne fagan ginger" (in quotes) into google or go to www.mcli.org and start learning about how the UN resolutions and the UN Charter have been used in US cities to help protect our human rights.
The UN facilitates an international postal system. These are basics. Educate yourself.
And I recommend this on NWO:
'The recent growth of anti-Illuminism:
Dreadful ideology about the dreaded Illuminati'
http://activistnyc.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/the-recent-growth-of-anti-il...
The current UN is MUCH WORSE than the old League of Nations which collapsed in the 1930s after failing to do anything to stop Nazi, Japanese, and Fascist aggression.
At least the League did not actively connive at and support aggression as the current UN has done. The faster the UN joins the League as a mere memory the better IMHO.
As long as one nation on the SC can block action, the UN will never mean anything. I have no ready solution, but the veto power needs to be revised. At the very least, the vetoes of at least two permanent members should be required, plus 40% of the total membership of the SC.
And how about increasing the permenent membership to 9 rather than 5?
But I'm woolgathering right now, so will shut up.
But the double standard re Israel and Iran is a disgrace.
I wonder what would happen if the UN decided to throw out the security council nations, pooled their resources and refused to do business with those member nations. Would the security council nations destroy the rest of the world? Probably not. If they did they, there would be no one left to exploit but each other. Eventually, they would turn on each other and; poof! Up like a flaming shit ball.
Jim Glover January 30th, 2008 1:43 pm
"It is useful to the New World Order!"
Only if it survives!
There are far too many power/money-hungry parasites operating inside the walls of the U.N. for it to ever become a "balanced" and legitimate organization of global security.
Their past record is nothing to write home about and it seems pretty clear they aren't moving forward in a direction that would benefit the globe.
The only way this organization will survive is through "fair global play"; and that doesn't seem to be in the cards any time soon.
For the time being, we can consider the U.N. useless!
The US needs to annex Israel or cut it loose. The current policy is insane.
Isn't it amazing what power and money can do to an idealistic idea such as the U.N.
The problem isn't the U.N. or its principles.
I'm pretty sure that it's hard for the security council to make a rational decision on Iran with Cheney's fist shoved up their asses
The veto in the hands of the great (and not so great)powers is the problem. It is an instrument of their non-cooperation.
Non-cooperation in the hands of the people of the world, however, is our instrument to veto the great powers. Any state that collaborates in crimes in our names merits our non-cooperation. This is not to say that such non-cooperation is safe. Indeed, for many of the vulnerable in the world, it is not an option, yet if we-who-can do not make a stand, then we soon will join those for whom it is not an option.
When has the Security Council ever had any credibility where Israel is concerned?
everybody knows what the "UN" STANDS FOR......USELESS NATIONS
The UN can be useful as a place where international issues can be voiced and addressed; a clearing house. However, when the US manipulates the UN to make sanctions which result in war with wrong, bad or skewed information, it is an atrocity. The world is still reeling from the skewed decision by the US & Britain in using the UN in 1948 to steal Arab lands and create Israel. Now, 60 years later, the region is still a powder keg. Bad decisions only result in wars. WW I was the result of bad decisions and WW II was the result of bad decisions after WW I. Now, we await WW III.
The United Nations proved just how impotent they really are when they allowed bush to give them the finger and attack Iraq. They lost all credibility when they endorsed US support AFTER they knew there were no WMD's and the whole 'war' was a sham.
I used to admire the UN. I used to believe in it's philosophy. Not anyomore. They are simply another US tool. They are a building filled with errand boys waiting for their next assignment from bush. Truly a disgrace.
The problem of democratizing the un is the same problem that was faced by the league of nations. Should the body have the veto's removed the major powers will decide that it's not in their interests to keep the un going. Like Hitler's Germany or Hirohito's Japan they'll walk out of the organisation and sooner or later there'll be another major war. The good thing about the un is that its existance has prevented a major war breaking out so far, but I no longer think that's going to last.
Really wish I could be optimistic about the chances that humanity will be around in a century or so, but....
what a show! if they weren't politicians you would think them actors in some strange Twilight Zone episode, "the council is here in session, let the voting on how to exploit the much smaller, poorer nations commence!"
While I certainly agree w/ the frustration that everybody has about the UN and the strangle-hold that the Gang of Five (the world's original nuclear powers)has over the Security Council and the UN, and while I strongly agree that the outlaw state of Israel continues to be sheltered as an exception to international norms and law (espcially by the US through the pro-Israel lobby), I have to say that calling for abolition of the UN is a horrible mistake.
Too many small nations depend on the UN as a forum to hear their grievances and a place to get some aid from the horrendous conditions most people in the world live under.
It would be a disaster for everybody if they, and the rest of the world, were to lose the sole global institution that nations have.
The problem is to democratize the UN, probably by replacing Security Council with some kind of executive like the EU has. The starting place is to work to eliminate the veto.
Liberals need to stop thinking that the United Nations is independent of the US government. The UN troops everywhere are nothing more than another division of the US army. They are colonial occupiers ordered on command from Washington DC.
Sadly though, many liberals still think that they are arguing with the John Birch Society back in the '50s over the nature of what the UN really is. Today, they should be calling for the UN to go the way the League of Nations did. Abolish the UN, because it is not a world governmental and legal body at all but a DC puppet. It cannot be 'reclaimed' and/ or made into a fair organization at all.
It is useful to the New World Order!
One thing I agree with the right wing on is the uselessness of the UN.
The problem with the UN is was that it was designed to fail on the onset. The word UNITED NATION is an oxymoron. It really is run by six countries that seem to veto anything that remotely affects them. The rest of the world be damned. Also, the US is really run by Israel when it comes to vetoing anything against the apartheid terrorist regime. The UN is really a waste of citizen's (world citizens that is) money.
Enough with this boycott by the US. Either the UN stands against it or we're better off without a UN. It's sickening
I am sure that Lester B. Pearson, the Canadian Prime Minister who was a driving force for the creation of the UN is weeping in the hereafter...