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Dejected Palestinians See No Hope in Peace Talks
Hopes Eroded by Israeli Policies, US Failure to Force Israeli Concessions
RAMALLAH, West Bank - A resumption of Middle East peace talks inspires little hope among Palestinians who say the prospect of an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel seems no more than a dream.
A Palestinian woman cries after being denied entry to Jerusalem to go pray at the Al Aqsa Mosque on the second Friday of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, at the Kalandia checkpoint between Jerusalem and the West Bank city of Ramallah, Friday, Aug. 20, 2010. (AP/Tara Todras-Whitehill) "There has been a lot of talk of peace, but we have seen no results. We no longer have hope," said 30-year old Luay Kabbah, who was still at school when Palestinian and Israeli leaders first began talking peace nearly two decades ago.
His despondency reflects deep pessimism among Palestinians, mirrored in Israel, on the prospects for a new round of U.S.-mediated peace talks that are due to begin in September.
The talks are the latest chapter in a peace process which, interrupted by several years of violence earlier this decade, has given Palestinians limited self-rule but no state on lands occupied by Israel since a 1967 Middle East war.
Today, the idea of that state emerging in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem -- the leadership's stated goal -- seems almost far-fetched to many Palestinians.
They say their hopes have been eroded by Israeli policies, the United States' failure to force Israel into concessions and the failings of their own leaders, who have grown ever weaker and more divided since Yasser Arafat's death in 2004.
Rival Palestinian governments have emerged in Gaza and the West Bank, creating a divide that has complicated what was already one of the world's most intractable conflicts.
For now, avoiding a deterioration in the status quo is the best to be hoped for, said Ahmad Aweidah, head of the Palestinian stock exchange, set up when hopes of peace were high in the 1990s.
"Peace process? What peace process? That's so nineties. After 18 years, don't they feel silly?" he said.
"There are only two scenarios. The optimistic one is more of the same. The pessimistic one is it's going to get worse."
The United States had made reviving Israeli-Palestinian negotiations one of its priorities. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, speaking on Friday, said there had been difficulties in the past and there would be difficulties ahead.
Clinton said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Abbas will meet President Barack Obama on September 1, with direct negotiations resuming the following day. Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and Jordan's King Abdullah have also accepted invitations to attend the launch.
"FAILURE FROM THE OUTSET"
The borders of the Palestinian state, the fate of Jewish settlements built on occupied land and the future of Jerusalem are among the tough issues that the negotiators will face and which past talks have failed to resolve.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, his credibility damaged by the failure of past talks, had sought a clear agenda for the talks as well as a complete halt to Jewish settlement building before agreeing to more negotiations.
His Palestinian critics said he had secured neither from the United States, which echoed Israel's call for negotiations to start without preconditions.
Abbas, also known as Abu Mazen, has said he has faced unprecedented international pressure to negotiate with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
"It's a failure from the outset," said Saliba Totah, 64, reading the news with friends on a Ramallah street. "Negotiations in this way cannot lead to a state," he said.
"We have no hope. Netanyahu will not give a thing, not in a year, not in years," said Jamal Khamis, a metal foundry worker in Gaza. "Abu Mazen was forced to agree and therefore the talks will never succeed," added the 42-year old.
Zakaria al Qaq, a political commentator, said: "What he has opted for is the option of a crippled, helpless politician."
Abbas's negotiation strategy has long been condemned by the Hamas Islamist group which seized control of the Gaza Strip from him in 2007 and is deeply hostile to Israel. This time, a resumption of peace talks has faced opposition from other sections of Palestinian society.
"We are the audience in a theater," said Samir Hulileh, chief executive officer of Palestine Development and Investment Ltd (PADICO), a holding company set up at the start of the peace process with the aim of building a Palestinian economy.
"We have memorized the play so many times, it is repeated in different forms, and sometimes with different faces, but it's the same," he said. "We know the final outcome," he said. "We don't feel hope coming out of it."
Additional reporting by Ali Sawafta and Nidal al-Mughrabi in Gaza; Editing by Angus MacSwan.



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Show Allsheldon wolin described the american political state as inverted fascism. i would add that across the world what is can best be described as inverted war. the future seems to hold only slavery and death.
Obama fails again!
The framing of the issue as a peace problem serves Israel's propaganda purpose and is propagated by Obama, Congress, and M$M and the American public takes the bite. The issue is the Israeli occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Israel is the aggressor with its ethnic cleansing policy in Palestine, stealing land, bulldozing homes, random detentions, restrictions on trade and movement... "Peace" is just some abstract term that is supposed to be resolved without addressing Israel's crimes. What have the Palestinians gotten for the relative peace they've given Israel for many years now? It is ignored by media and serves Israel's purpose to stall and bide it more time to occupy more land and ethnically cleanse Palestinians from their land.
Indeed. This article is couched in terms which make it sound like Hamas was not elected by the people of Palestine. Israel seems to control just about everything to do with Palestine, including all information in the media. Thanks for posting this comment as it says what needs saying.
And the Imperial News Agency Rueters failed to mention that it was the USA and Europe which pressured Abbas to seize unoccupied Palestine from Hamas after Hamas's fair election. And israel create Hamas to fractionalize Palestinians.
Well said, Progressive 101.
"Peace" talks are just a kabuki show that Israel uses as cover while they continue their slow-motion holocaust against the Palestinians. It is as if the Third Reich had been holding "peace" talks with a few bought-off Jews while the extermination of the rest of the Jews continued unabated. The Nazis' pursuit of territorial expansion ("lebensraum") and ethnic cleansing ("Judenrein") have been adopted by Israel against the Palestinians, and now Israel has become the equivalent of Nazi Germany. The main difference I can see is that the Nazis carried out their atrocities quickly, while the Israelis have stretched theirs out for more than 60 years.
Since our government will continue to bless and finance Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity no matter what, Israel is free to continue to violate international law.
International law is not all that Israel flaunts. Israel also mocks God, defiling Judaism and all that it stands for.
Since the U.S. government is in thrall to Israel, all we can do is vigorously support the movement to Boycott, Divest,and Sanction Israel. And we should ask ourselves why U.S. citizens are allowed to hold dual citizenships, and whose interests this really serves.
No one in their right mind can take seriously these so called negotiations which are more like a jailer telling a prisoner they will talk about his living conditions and with a fanatical extremist in power in Israel and a weak and frightened president bowing down to the Israeli lobby in his own party this cannot be anything but a charade.
"We cannot ignore the problems of the Arab refugees, and of Palestinian national aspirations, nor blind ourselves to their realities. We cannot say that Jews have a right to yearn for Palestine after 1,900 years and deny the Arabs the right to yearn for their homes after nineteen years.
"I want to see Israel live.
"If we do not pursue the path of reconciliation, the Jewish people will be transformed in the span of a generation; we cannot harden our hearts against our Arab brothers and remain the kind of people we have been proud of being for 2,000 years."
I.F. Stone, The Progressive, January 1975
Would that those Israeli leaders who have morphed into religious/Zionist fundamentalists whose fears of Israel's neighbors approach paranoia expressed in violence have read and understood I.F. Stone 35 years ago.
Would that the U.S. had supported the Palestinian search for justice instead of the Israeli attacks and land thefts. Would that we would, even now, refuse to describe Israel's aggression as "self defense."
In solidarity with the Palestinians, we're all dejected by the situation except for Zionists, who remain gleeful.
De-Countrify Israel Now and force Zionists to pay Reparations.
Our President is the one who calls for people to have the "audacity of hope". Obama has led so many people to believe that there is hope. Now he has an opportunity to make the hope of the Palestinians a reality. If he does not at least try, by cutting funds to Israel if they don't agree to a proposed way for a just peace, then we know that he is a hypocrite.
Oh for goodness' sake. Hamas won a monitored democratic election and is the legitimate government of the Palestinian people. It was shunned and marginalised by the West, which funded and encouraged a coup attempt by Fatah. Acting pre-emptively, Hamas ejected Fatah from the Gaza strip. I lived through this. So did everyone else with access to the media (some of which managed to give an objective and accurate account of what happened, not what Israel/the US/the EU wanted them to say). I am sick and tired of hearing the lies endlessly spun out. What next? Obama is a muslim? Assnage is a rapist? Saddam was behind 9/11? If we let the right's constant fabrications by without challenge, the lies will be accepted and the truth buried forever. It is obvious that this is just another delaying tactic by Israel and the US, with the added incentive of further marginalising Hamas.
Hear, hear!
Absolutely correct!
Its amazing to me that Bush pushed for democratic elections in Gaza and the Palestinians held them. They were closely watched and I never heard any suggestion they were not fairly held. And then he isn't happy...
Hamas IS the legitimate government of the Palestinian people. Just because you don't like someone else's choice, that it is not what you had in mind is just too damn bad.
That it does make a solution harder is obvious.
I also am fairly certain the Palestian people were not too happy about the result of the last Israeli election. My understatement for the month.
The Palestinian, israeli problem, is the daily reminder that no one or no country is willing to expose the depths of their own lies and denial. No one is willing to explore the initial cause of anything, because it will mean the loss of something that we are to heavily identified with. Even if we were promised real freedom, we would not give up the most invested part of ourselves, our story, our tiny personality. People will not do what is really necessary for their own peace and likewise countries which are a collection of this refusal will not admit their initial crime. Israel will never say to the palestinians, "we are sorry for stealing your land". Without this depth of truth, there will be no peace.
Thats truth?
You seem to have missed the initial reason why the Palestinians are where they are now. Who initially attacked who? Did Isreal attack or did 6 Arab countries attack it the moment it became a country?
Do the Palestinians have any more right to the region than the Jews? There are solid arguments for both sides. Historically both sides can make a claim. Even the cities are not exempt. Jews built Jerusalem so how do the Palestinians get a claim? Because when the Jews were dispersed by the Romans the Palestinians/Arabs expanded it, loved it, built it.
Was the United Nations wrong? Did they not have the right or power to recognize a nation state? And another fact usually ignored, most of the original state of Israel was purchased. ( So I assume you are speaking of the lands taken outside those borders?) Do other countries not have the right to recognize one state and not another?
This idea that right resides only on one side is absurd. Both sides owe the other endless apology. Wrongful actions abound by all concerned.
So the idea that one side or the other should cease to exsist or apologize while the other goes free of guilt or that one is going to get everything they demand is a recipe for another 80 years of destruction.
>>You seem to have missed the initial reason why the Palestinians are where they are now. Who initially attacked who? Did Isreal attack or did 6 Arab countries attack it the moment it became a country?
You have it backwards and should study history. Israel was NOT a country when attacked.
These are the FACTS and you ignore them every time they are presented.
The UN PROPOSED boundaries for the division of Palestine. The Palestinians were not in agreement with the Boundaries as they had the largest population but were getting less land. They were negotiating the final borders and WERE negotiating as to what happened to Palestinians who found themselves in lands deemed part of Israel.
This is a fact.
Now what you continually miss is this.
Israel was not happy with the borders proposed and wanted more. Israel was warning it would UNILATERALLY declare itself a State and would cleanse the territories they claimed as theirs of the Palestinians.
The UN took no stand against the Israeli declarations which was their DUTY.
The Arab nations indicated that if Israel uniliaterally declared itself a State it would mean war.
Israel Uniltaerally declared independence. FACT.
Israel started cleansing the territories they claimed as theirs of Palestinians. FACT.
Israel began cleansing territories NOT allocated them by the UN proposal of Palestinians. FACT.
The 6 Arab nations then went to war to defend the rights of the Palestinians.
This was NOT Israel defending itself. Israel was the aggressor. If the Sioux Indians declared themselves a nation and then started running all the people out of their territories with Guns, what do YOu think the USA would do?
Now here is another fact.
The UN did not recognize Israel as a nation until almost a year after those events.
Israel was not a country .
What happened in the USA when the Confederate States of America was declared?
GW good post , but that Sioux analogy ain't great since Sioux are a Nation and they would be running Whites off their traditional Range.
Point taken , but I used that particular analogy because of whom I was responding to.
Sometimes to demonstrate the weakness of anothers position one has to address the "Mindset" of that other.
>>Jews built Jerusalem so how do the Palestinians get a claim? Because when the Jews were dispersed by the Romans the Palestinians/Arabs expanded it, loved it, built it.
Not historically accurate.
Jerusalem was a Caananite City. It predates any mention of "Israel" by several thousand years. It could not have been built by "Jews" when "Jews" did not yet exist as a faith or people. This is like saying "Christians" built Rome.
The Hebrews arrived around 1200 BC. Jerusalem did not become part of Israel till around 200 years after that. They then held it for a few hundred years before being driven out again by The Assyrians. The Archaeological record shows the Hebrews were of the Caananite peoples. That is a LOCAL tribe trying to set itself apart from the other LOCAL tribes. Think of the 7 tribes if Sioux and imagine one declaring itsel superior to the rest and the Natural rulers of "Sioux territory."
ROME never dispersed all the Jews. This is a fabrication. They dispersed the group of Jews who called themselves Zealots. The rest of the Jews remained in the area and MANY of them Converted to Christianity when that region was held by Christian Rome and then to Islam when the Arabs conquered it.
The "Caananites" in fact remain in the region as the people we now call Palestinian.
Too many people rely on the Bible as the "Historical record". The Bible is not an historical document. Archaeology done outside that of "The State of Israel" does not support the Biblical record to any great extent.
GW Good WorK!
Mightymite, you might not say things like "The idea that right resides only on one side is absurd." if you had more information. You might be interested in "The Secrets in Israel's Archives," by Jonathan Cook on counterpunch.org.
An excerpt:
History may be written by the victors, as Winston Churchill is said to have observed, but the opening up of archives can threaten a nation every bit as much as the unearthing of mass graves.
That danger explains a decision quietly taken last month by Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, to extend by an additional 20 years the country’s 50-year rule for the release of sensitive documents.
The new 70-year disclosure rule is the government’s response to Israeli journalists who have been seeking through Israel’s courts to gain access to documents that should already be declassified, especially those concerning the 1948 war, which established Israel, and the 1956 Suez crisis.
The state’s chief archivist says many of the documents “are not fit for public viewing” and raise doubts about Israel’s “adherence to international law”, while the government warns that greater transparency will “damage foreign relations”.
Quite what such phrases mean was illustrated by the findings of a recent investigation by an Israeli newspaper. Haaretz revisited the Six Day War of 1967, in which Israel seized not only the Palestinian territories of the West Bank and Gaza, but also a significant corner of Syria known as the Golan Heights, which Israel still refuses to relinquish.
The consensus in Israel is that the country’s right to hold on to the Golan is even stronger than its right to the West Bank. According to polls, an overwhelming majority of Israelis refuse to concede their little bit of annexed Syria, even if doing so would secure peace with Damascus.
This intransigence is not surprising. For decades, Israelis have been taught a grand narrative in which, having repelled an attack by Syrian forces, Israel then magnanimously allowed the civilian population of the Golan to live under its rule. That, say Israelis, is why the inhabitants of four Druze villages are still present there. The rest chose to leave on the instructions of Damascus.
One influential journalist writing at the time even insinuated anti-Semitism on the part of the civilians who departed: “Everyone fled, to the last man, before the IDF [Israel Defence Forces] arrived, out of fear of the ‘savage conqueror’ … Fools, why did they have to flee?”
However, a very different picture emerges from Haaretz’s interviews with the participants. These insiders say that all but 6,000 of the Golan’s 130,000 civilians were either terrorised or physically forced out, some of them long after the fighting finished. An army document reveals a plan to clear the area of the Syrian population, with only the exception of the Golan Druze, so as not to upset relations with the loyal Druze community inside Israel.
The army’s post-war tasks included flushing out thousands of farmers hiding in caves and woods to send them over the new border. Homes were looted before the army set about destroying all traces of 200 villages so that there would be nowhere left for the former inhabitants to return to. The first Jewish settlers sent to till the fields recalled seeing the dispossessed owners watching from afar.
The Haaretz investigation offers an account of methodical and wholesale ethnic cleansing that sits uncomfortably not only with the traditional Israeli story of 1967 but with the Israeli public’s idea that their army is the “most moral in the world”. That may explain why several prominent, though unnamed, Israeli historians admitted to Haaretz that they had learnt of this “alternative narrative” but did nothing to investigate or publicise it.
What is so intriguing about the newspaper’s version of the Golan’s capture is the degree to which it echoes the revised accounts of the 1948 war that have been written by later generations of Israeli historians. Three decades ago – in a more complacent era – Israel made available less sensitive documents from that period.
The new material was explosive enough. It undermined Israel’s traditional narrative of 1948, in which the Palestinians were said to have left voluntarily on the orders of the Arab leaders and in the expectation that the combined Arab armies would snuff out the fledging Jewish state in a bloodbath.
Instead, the documents suggested that heavily armed Jewish forces had expelled and dispossessed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians before the Jewish state had even been declared and a single Arab soldier had entered Palestine.
One document in particular, Plan Dalet, demonstrated the army’s intention to expel the Palestinians from their homeland. Its existence explains the ethnic cleansing of more than 80 per cent of Palestinians in the war, followed by a military campaign to destroy hundreds of villages to ensure the refugees never returned.
Ethnic cleansing is the common theme of both these Israeli conquests. A deeper probe of the archives will almost certainly reveal in greater detail how and why these “cleansing” campaigns were carried out – which is precisely why Mr Netanyahu and others want the archives to remain locked.
But full disclosure of these myth-shattering documents may be the precondition for peace. Certainly, more of these revelations offer the best hope of shocking Israeli public opinion out of its self-righteous opposition to meaningful concessions, either to Syria or the Palestinians.
It is also a necessary first step in challenging Israel’s continuing attempts to ethnically cleanse Palestinians, as has occurred in the last few weeks against the Bedouin in both the Jordan Valley and the Negev, where villages are being razed and families forced to leave again.
Genuine peacemakers should be demanding that the doors to the archives be thrown open immediately. The motives of those who wish to keep them locked should be clear to all.
Jonathan Cook is a writer and journalist based in Nazareth, Israel. His latest books are “Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East” (Pluto Press) and “Disappearing Palestine: Israel's Experiments in Human Despair” (Zed Books). His website is www.jkcook.net.
i said all people and all countries need to tell the truth, in my opening statements, but did not make that point clear enough at the end. thanks for pointing that out.
One firm long standing right of a Nation is to recognize or not any other Nation they so choose to. This is an undisputed right and totally up to said Nation.
The conflict does not begin in '67 it begins with the Zionist terrorist groups Irgun and Stern gangs killing British and Palestinians and blowing up King David Hotel and Zionist Suicide vests and letter Bombs.
Gosh - I don't understand why the Arabs didn't accept the genocidal invasion of terrorists with flowers and chocolates.
Israel is nothing more than an immoral and illegal invasion; the world and especially the US would be better without it.
De-Countrify Israel now and force Zionists to pay Reparations.
We all know how Israel came to be, so why cannot a Palestinian state take the same route?
It would be hard to hide in that process would it not?
I'm surprised this even made it into the news. Another tedious sound bite from Hillary Clinton & Co.
Years ago I asked a friend who visited Palestine regularly to see his girlfriend whether Palestinians were excited about the Labor Party winning the Israeli elections. He said that the change in Israeli leadership passed almost without note among Palestinians. They don't expect anything to substantially change on the Israeli side, he said. For them it is a multi-generational struggle.
How sad that the idea of an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel is the happiest dream these people can come up with. Having Israel for your next door neighbor forever. Sounds like a nightmare to me.
Abbas couldn't get elected dog catcher but he knows the US is his meal ticket.
Intelligent people everywhere know this latest round of "peace talks" is cheap political theater.
Not until we end our "special relationship" with Israel will the US finally be able to broker an honest peace.
(BTW, whenever I hear that term "special relationship" used to describe what exists between the US and Israel, I always envision something perverse and abusive.)