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Could Iron Maiden's Philosophy Inspire an Alternative Economic System in the Middle East?
I think it was somewhere in the middle of either Blood Brothers or Brave New World that it occurred to me: I was watching a blueprint for the as yet unfulfilled project of modernisation in the Middle East.
I was standing with my son - well, jumping - somewhere off to the side of the stage at Madison Square Garden, the most celebrated concert venue in the world, listening to British heavy metal legends Iron Maiden gallop through a 16-odd song set during a sold out show in the midst of their biggest ever tour of North America.
The songs are not among the most famous in the Maiden catalogue. But for real Maiden fans - and they are legion and growing larger still - they are among the more beloved.
In fact, the upwards of 20,000 fans at the concert sang the words to almost every song despite the fact that the band has deliberately avoided playing the majority of its most well known hits during this tour.
"This hasn't been such a great summer for concerts," lead singer Bruce Dickinson told the crowd near the start of the show. The reason, he explained, is that most groups are essentially playing oldies, living off songs "from 1976" he joked.
"But here we are doing our biggest tour ever of North America. We don't want to be fossils," he yelled to a roar from the crowd.
Charting your own way
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| Dubai was hailed as an inspiration for a new globalised Middle East [GALLO/GETTY] |
So, what does Iron Maiden have to do with the Middle East?
I first saw Iron Maiden in Dubai in 2007, at the Dubai Desert Rock Festival, which although only three years old was becoming known as the "Mecca for Middle Eastern metal".
This was pre-crash Dubai, in all its excessive splendor, and the festival was filled to capacity with 20,000 metalheads, mostly Arabs, Iranians and South Asians, cheering, screaming and even crying during Maiden's headlining show.
Indeed, few crowds have erupted with more energy than did the fans at Desert Rock when Maiden hit the stage. And I do not think I have witnessed a more poignant moment at a concert than when the crowd sang Maiden's anthem, Fear of the Dark in unison with Dickinson, lighters aloft in one hand, cell phones in the other to record it for Youtube posterity.
"This is our first time playing in an Arab country," Dickinson told the audience, visibly taken aback by the crowd's reaction. "I know Dubai is the melting pot. Everybody is here. We have people from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Scotland, Lebanon, Egypt, Sweden, Turkey, Australian, Wales, Americans, Canadians, Kuwait. We have the whole world, just about, here tonight ... And we'll be back."
The members of Iron Maiden still recall that first Dubai show fondly, but in reality Dubai represented the very antithesis of everything Maiden has always stood for - consumption without reason, style over substance, the pursuit of wealth and celebrity without a solid foundation or sustainable principles.
"What are we about?" asks manager Rod Smallwood, the seventh member of the group, rhetorically. "Honesty, integrity, doing your best regardless of what you've been given; in fact, doing it yourself so you don't have to compromise. And most important, showing our fans passion and inspiring them. If a band can't keep inspiring fans, what's the point of continuing?"
A new model
For much of the past decade Dubai was hailed as the inspiration for a new, globalised Middle East; the place where the proverbial Lexuses and olive trees that New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman famously argued symbolised the poles of globalisation, could finally coexist.
As the money and Vegas-style skyscrapers kept growing higher, Dubai boosters like Friedman became passionate in their support of the "Dubai model" of development. But instead of upper middle class Lexuses Dubai quickly became filled with Ferraris, Rolls Royces and other uber-expensive supercars.
As for olive trees, aside from a restaurant with that name and the gardens of the city's elite, few if any have taken root.
"Yeah, but who wants to be that rich?" Smallwood asked a few hours after the show, discussing how many of the band's peers have taken the easy, commercial way out, usually losing their souls in the process. "You wind up playing just for the cheque to support that lifestyle, instead of because it's what you love to do. Eventually, fans figure that out, and then where are you?"
Not surprisingly, the Dubai model was unsustainable, and now the sheikhdom is searching for a more solid foundation for the future.
In contrast, whether at that balmy evening when Maiden first touched down in Dubai, or the even hotter and muggier evening at Madison Square Garden three years later, Iron Maiden has consistently inspired concert goers, and seen its fanbase grow, in good measure because it has refused to compromise or to play by the music industry's increasingly dysfunctional rules.
A musical path towards modernisation
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| Iron Maiden's lyrics resonate with fans across the Middle East [EPA] |
And it is here that the group's unique philosophy offers interesting lessons for its large fanbase across the Arab and Muslim worlds - a young generation that is struggling to define a new role for themselves and the region in a globalised system that, much like the music business, seems rigged against them.
First and foremost, do not play their game. Neoliberalism, the dominant system of globalisation, will never produce greater prosperity, democracy or sustainable development for the vast majority of the peoples of the region, precisely because this model of economic integration inevitably concentrates wealth, and through it power, in fewer hands.
Of course, this process suits autocratic elites and the relatively small but politically crucial class of citizens who benefit from such policies just fine. But for average Egyptians, Moroccans or Syrians, this paradigm has brought few if any benefits.
Secondly, think historically, stay true to your roots, and "do it yourself". One of the main reasons why heavy metal, and Maiden in particular, are so popular across the Middle East and Muslim world is precisely because the genre, and the band, represents a "DIY," or do it yourself, philosophy that has allowed artists and fans to avoid the compromises that have plagued other genres like hiphop and mainstream rock.
For centuries the peoples of the Arab and Muslim world have been told that they had to follow someone else's model. They have had to contend with policies imposed from above and outside - first through colonialism and then again, beginning in the 1970s, through the "structural adjustment programmes" that have been at the heart of IMF, World Bank and other Washington consensus policies towards the region.
Today, a new generation is emerging across the region that refuses to accept this imbalance of power. But, the problem is how to create a viable alternative. One alternative, of course, is al-Qaeda and other extremist movements and ideologies. But as many Middle Eastern metalheads have pointed out while lamenting the fact that so many of their fellow citizens consider them little better than Satan worshipers, being an extreme metal fanatic is a lot better than the alternative.
And it is here too that the Maiden model is relevant. Songs like Brave New World, No More Lies, Fear of the Dark, and their biggest hits like Trooper and Run to the Hills all resonate with the band's myriad fans across the region because the lyrics reflect the complexity of their histories, their lives, and their futures. These themes are even more pregnant with meaning in Beirut or Tehran, which have suffered such violence in the recent past, than they are in "the Mecca of music," Madison Square Garden.
"That's certainly one reason Maiden is special," explained lead singer Bruce Dickinson when I asked him about why the group is so popular in the Middle East. "But also, it's the family aspect. The band and the fans, we're like one big family," he continued, echoing the words of amazement an Egyptian friend of mine uttered when we first saw the scene in Dubai. "Finally, a real community," he said with an almost palpable feeling of joy.
As many metal fans from the region have pointed out to me, Maiden's songs remind them that they should not trust the hype and slogans promising a better tomorrow, that progress demands putting aside easy prejudices in favour of a much harder but more honest discussion about the future and that they should remember the past but not be afraid of the future.
If you do that, then you are in a position to create your own networks using your own tools, people, and principles: "Do it yourself" on an international scale. Instead of trying to jump on someone else's globalisation express, develop your own vision that is true to you. "Never sell out, never compromise, and always stay true," is how Smallwood explains it.
Joy, the final frontier
This is, of course, easier said than done in the Middle East, since the region's rulers in general have so much invested in the existing system. But Maiden succeeded precisely because the band worked around the system rather than trying to join it.
Of course, building a successful career as a rock band, however difficult, is nothing compared to building an alternative economic and cultural system in a region plagued by war, occupation, authoritarianism and poverty. But the point of music and the artists who produce the culture the rest of us consume is rarely to provide a direct blueprint for action.
Instead, it is to inspire, to give a vision of a different future and the courage to get up in the morning and figure out how to survive and even thrive in a system that is very much not set up for your benefit.
More than one member of Iron Maiden has told me that perhaps the greatest gift they can give fans is joy. And whether in Dubai or Madison Square Garden, the concerts were filled with joy, from musicians and fans alike.
Metal is often accused of being music about death, and certainly Iron Maiden's songs can often seem, on the surface, violent and blood-soaked. But as one Iranian metal musician said about the genre, and Maiden in particular, "what's amazing is how a music about death in fact affirms life".
As I looked out across that field in Dubai three years ago and saw a multi-national assemblage of people sharing a rare moment of true community and joy, the power of music to bring people together and heal old and deep wounds became abundantly clear. That feeling once defined a huge swatch of Muslim culture, in music, art, and literature. It is something that is sorely needed across the region today.
As Iron Maiden prepare to release their 15th studio album, The Final Frontier fans across the region will soon have reason to feel a bit of the joy the North American members of the Iron Maiden family have felt during this current tour. And with any luck, the Middle East will once again move inside the Maiden frontier.
Mark LeVine is a professor of history at UC Irvine and senior visiting researcher at the Center for Middle Eastern Studies at Lund University in Sweden. His most recent books are Heavy Metal Islam (Random House) and Impossible Peace: Israel/Palestine Since 1989 (Zed Books).
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Show AllMark LeVine is the living proof that one may be professor of history, yet be divorced from reality (which includes history, of course).
Let's begin with the West, in general, and England, in particular: has Iron Maiden changed anything in its turf of origin, has it stopped England's collusion with U.S. imperialism?
Has it changed the policies of Empire and England, the torture, the bullying of Iran, the extraordinary renditions?
Has it brought peace to any single part of the world?
We know that the answers to all these questions are 'no'.
So much, then, for Mr. LeVine's elucubrations.
Advice to Professor LeVine: grow up and get a life!
Just because there a Macdonalds on every street corner in the world, it hardly means "Peace is at hand".
Not only is Prof. LeVine telling a story about how inspiration is derived. He also points out how in Britain and US the people still hold on to neo-liberal hopes of riches through globalization.
It is clear to see in the desert sun that average people of UK and US have suffered with loss of standard of living , chasm growing between rich and poor , having to participate in neo-liberal drone wars on all continents. Under these stresses we have to choose between politics of right and left, red and the blue , good and evil. We are indeed unable to see what afflicts us as we are the affliction.
Yet, inspiration is allowing clear view of our state of power looking at it from average people of Middle East and South American continents. They can see the pimples of chicken pox on us and are homing in on the reasons we are afflicted.
I was wondering when someone would do an article on Iron Maiden, whom I caught last week in tour.
Anyone who denigrates heavy metal music needs to do a little research before they start typing away. There's more to protest music than Peter, Paul, and Mary. This kind of snobbery is exactly one reason why the Left as a movement can't engage most rank and file people.
No musican has the power to change the world. But that doesn't mean they can't try by getting out some sort of message.
Heavy metal speaks to so many youth. It is a music borne of dissent, and because of that, it reaches more global youth than pop music. It is a worldwide movement, not crass commercialism. To compare heavy metal to fast food is sheer ignorance. Would you do the same thing to hip-hop? Or do you all think you're supposed to hate it because it was a music invented by a bunch of lower-class white guys, people you pampered lefties often make out to be trogolodytes?
Iron Maiden's signature song, "Run To The Hills" laments the genocide of Native Americans.
"2 Minutes to Midnight" and "Afraid to Shoot Strangers" are very explicit in condemning war.
Their latest song "El Dorado" from their upcoming album is about the current financial crisis and absolutely skewers the power elites that caused it all.
I'd think the people at The Innocence Project could appreciate songs like "Innocent Exile" and "Hallowed Be Thy Name".
How about the anti-prostitution message of "22 Acacia Avenue" which ends with an intervention that anyone involved in stopping sex-trafficking could appreciate?
Has anyone raked organized religious hypocrites over the coals like "Holy Smoke" does?
You can read the lyrics to songs like "Out of the Silent Planet", "The Thin Line Between Love and Hate", "Blood Brothers", "Brave New World", "Paschendale", "Age of Innocence", "Different World", and "The Legacy" for yourselves, but I have a feeling your dogma won't allow it.
Any musician with something progressive to say and has an audience as broad as Iron Maiden's is making some sort of impact, not merely selling a commodity. Dismissing them is so counterproductive, and you have to know that.
There's a reason why Iron Maiden have never made great inroads into the American mainstream.
The fact that heavy metal is a global phenomenon that has grown to have so much trans-ethnic, trans-racial appeal is encouraging, and many of those people are picking up instruments. Music can help change the world.
Let's see how many kids from war-torn countries get excited about Bob Dylan.
"Just because there a Macdonalds on every street corner in the world, it hardly means 'Peace is at hand'."
Read the article more carefully. The author is no neo-liberal.
Read what I said.
>>As I looked out across that field in Dubai three years ago and saw a multi-national assemblage of people sharing a rare moment of true community and joy, the power of music to bring people together and heal old and deep wounds became abundantly clear. That feeling once defined a huge swatch of Muslim culture, in music, art, and literature. It is something that is sorely needed across the region today.
I merely point out that having something in common (a love of Iron Maiden or eating at Macdonalds) hardly means peace at hand.
The fact is that the Unifying aspects of Culture, be it Music , Art or Literature, CAN be used for harm just as they can for good.
GWNorth-You were still making Iron Maiden out to be a crass commodity. You can't compare a band with something to say to a fast food franchise. The author doesn't say that peace is at hand. He just points to a possibility.
Seventhson-GREAT post! I was hoping you'd weigh in. \m/
"They never let alcohol get the better of them, they never allowed drugs as part of their own personal cultures (even to the extent of firing their original, well-liked singer, Paul Di’Anno after the second album, because of his drug problem)."
That's why I found solace with Iron Maiden as a teen resisting peer pressure. In reading the magazines, I discovered while other bands bragged about their hard partying, the guys in Maiden would just talk about their music, how they created it, and what inspired them to create it. It was a healthy alternative to the drug-addled sleaze of L.A. Metal. It was especially interesting to find out that they were family men and still are.
As for metal itself, one testimony to its power to unite can be demonstrated by the relative lack of violence at metal shows. People get stabbed at Eagles concerts, they get shot at hip-hop shows, beat up and supposedly socially-conscious punk/hardcore shows. I've never attended a metal show where there was ever a major problem.
I saw some redneck looking kid with his arms around someone who looked to be of Indian descent during "Blood Brothers". They were swaying together, their eyes wet. Where else to you see that? In the snobby, hipster-infested indie-rock scene. Christ, give me Doro Pesch over Cat Power anyday. Metal ignites, inspires. While it can explore evil, nothing else has its uplifting power.
I saw all this and more 30 years ago...I do not think the Beatles or LOVE or Cream and Hendrix...Donovan and the like as crass commodities.
It just never had the effect people hoped it would.
Well said!
That would be 40 years ago.
They had great effect; though, subtle in many ways.
It is nice to hear what Iron Maiden is doing and the effects they are having, but realistically, 20k fans at select middle east shows will have very subtle impact on the world.
Someone questioned the relevance of Bob Dylan. (?) Ok, maybe youth don't understand. Jimi Hendrix idolized him, and it would be no great surprize if some IM members really liked his work (regardless of the different genre). And, it is a certainty that there are a few crossover fans (have to turn the amps down off 11 sometimes). Like Dr. John says, "There are two types of music, 'good and bad', but you have to respect all styles." (Actually, he related the story of his uncle teaching him that.)
"Metal ignites, inspires. While it can explore evil, nothing else has its uplifting power."
But are the lyrics understandable?
On another note, I noticed that you missed the anarchist picnic this year...
Amen, THEGREATROCKYHILL! As one of the biggest fans of Iron Maiden in the world (as my nickname on this very site will attest!), that was an excellent post. And thank YOU, Professor Levine, for such a beautiful article.
Those of you who denigrate metal, and this band in particular, need to re-read the article, as well as THEGREATROCKYHILL’s post. Maiden has survived precisely because of their family of fans that keeps growing larger. And yes, OIKOS, even though they have not personally and single-handedly brought peace to the Middle East . . . like the article states, their purpose “is to inspire, to give a vision of a different future and the courage to get up in the morning and figure out how to survive and even thrive in a system that is very much not set up for your benefit.”
MTV shunned them. Corporate American radio shunned them (and still does). And yet . . . they always sold tons of records, they always sold out shows, they always gave their fans 100% at all times. They never let alcohol get the better of them, they never allowed drugs as part of their own personal cultures (even to the extent of firing their original, well-liked singer, Paul Di’Anno after the second album, because of his drug problem). Their first studio album came out in 1980, and their fifteenth will come out next month. They forged on through the 90s when metal wasn’t cool anymore, refusing to back down and call it quits, emerging in the early 2000s as one of the biggest acts in the world, surpassing their success even in the “heyday” of the 80s. Maiden NEVER played the game of the corporate music industry, and that is precisely why they are a great symbol of a possible new economic system, not only in the Middle East, but globally . . . especially as more and more people begin to understand how the system is rigged in favor of the ruling elite. Maiden has always spoken truth to power, and that is why they are still as popular in Dubai, Lebanon, Rio de Janiero, or Mumbai, as they are in Madison Square Garden or their hometown of London.
I have been a member of Iron Maiden’s fan club for decades, and you have no idea how much love and loyalty there is among us all. People in the industry know very well that there is no more loyal fan than a Maiden fan. Music -- and metal in particular -- crosses so many divides that it truly does have the ability to inspire peace and fairness.
I will add some more songs to your list, HILL, from Maiden’s large repository of historical/philosophical/literary genius:
“Alexander the Great”, “Rime of the Ancient Mariner” (a 14-minute song based on the Samuel Taylor Coleridge poem of the same name), “The Nomad” (with it’s Middle Eastern beat/sound), “The Trooper” (about the Crimean War), “Powerslave” (about the Egyptian pharaohs), “Montsegur”, “For the Greater Good of God”, “Brighter Than a Thousand Suns” (about the making of the atomic bomb), “Phantom of the Opera” (one of the most complex and difficult songs anyone will ever learn to play). Lead singer Bruce Dickinson (who is also a licensed commercial airline pilot, a novelist, and an Olympic-class fencer) made a solo album in 1998 called The Chemical Wedding, the entire thing of which was based on the writings and paintings of William Blake -- it gained the utmost praise in the metal press for its depth and scope.
Thank you again, Professor Levine, for a great article.
Up the Irons!!
John Petersen
Fort Collins, CO
Maybe they should follow "To Tame a Land" and rise up like the Fremen to stop oil... *cough*... spice production to bring the Empire to its knees.
Yeah ceti! That's a worthy Maiden epic. It's how I discovered the world of Dune.
Btw, the Arab world is full of metal bands who while inspired by the European sounds of heavy metal are infusing their own cultural influences into it. Melechesh are a prime example of that. You can fuse any kind of music with heavy metal. That's why there are so many subgenres.
Have you seen Sam Dunn's and Scott McFadyen's documentary, "Global Metal"? It speaks to the exact same idea as this article and our posts: metal in other countries, as an opposing theme to the global "agenda". Great movie!
Their first documentary was "Metal: A Headbanger's Journey", and they were also the ones who made the recent Iron Maiden docu, "Flight 666" and the very recent Rush docu, "Beyond the Lighted Stage". Dunn got his Masters in Anthropology and did his thesis on the anthropological phenomenon of heavy metal.
Here is the trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C8Ybq__3Rg
The author likes Iron Maiden and decided to write an article by stretching his interpretation unrealistically. Nothing new to see here.
Yeah baby, Up the Irons!
Maiden consistently puts out nuanced, intelligent, ass-kicking metal!
While other genres are being turned into little more than computer and commerical creations, metal continues to rail against the coporate structure and produce authentic, humanisitic music.
Yes, the the sound has tried to be tainted with so called nu-metal, but real metal heads avoid the Limp Biscuits and Linkin Parks and stick with the goods, like Maiden. That shit can't be commercialized because to do so would mean popularizing opinions that run counter-culture. It ain't gonna happen so real metal will serve as a unifying force for people all around the world that have a distaste for the status quo. Blood Brothers!
Excellent post.
"While other genres are being turned into little more than computer and commerical creations, metal continues to rail against the coporate structure and produce authentic, humanisitic music."
Check out the 2010 documentary: "For the Sake of the Song"
There are other real genres.
Don't want to be fossils. My, my, guess i.m. has the secret elixir of life. Those who turn their back to the past will usually find it again, like it or not. Too bad I don't have the time to see if I would like i.m., there are far too many more important things to do.
Heavy metal, much ado about nothing, as is so much of the noise produced by our "culture."
I love this article. Life immitates art...it really should be that way. "Music hath charms to soothe the savage beast.." or "savavge breast" because somebody else wrote that too.
"To thine own self be true.." that's in there too. You can tell a lot about a people by the music.
Ours? We copied England's music, and then a crazy lawyer wrote about bombs bursting in air. Yeah, music tells a lot.
Seventhson-I've seen all of Sam Dunn's docs, and they were all excellent. Sam Dunn is doing for heavy metal what Ken Burns did for jazz.
"The author likes Iron Maiden and decided to write an article by stretching his interpretation unrealistically. Nothing new to see here."
Bullshit Judah. You don't like heavy metal and are dismissing something you just don't get.
Btw, Rage Against The Machine and Green Day are big Iron Maiden fans. Tom Morello sings the band's praises in the Flight 666 film.
Good post-Cosmic Crushed. There are more metal bands than ever and more genres than ever also. It's about so much more than what you hear on modern and mainstream rock stations.
samosamo-Don't stop discovering new music. Music keeps the soul vital.
"I saw all this and more 30 years ago...I do not think the Beatles or LOVE or Cream and Hendrix...Donovan and the like as crass commodities.
"It just never had the effect people hoped it would."
Still, it did something.
Oikos-And what the fuck do you listen to? It's much ado about SOMETHING! Again, metal is a worldwide phenomenon with fanbases all over the world, including South America, Latin America, Asia, and all throughout Europe. The disenfranchised youth are finding strength in this music.
I don't expect everyone to like heavy metal. Hip-hop's not everyone's cup of tea either. Just don't dismiss or demonize or denigrate it. Metal is music that came from the hearts and souls of working people just like hip-hop grew out of poverty. If the boys in Black Sabbath grew up in Cambridgeshire as opposed to Birmingham, metal might not exist.
Also, two of the world's best examples of socialist democracy, Norway and Sweden, also have two of the world's best metal scenes. So many great bands have come from those two nations.
For those who still dismiss it, what kind of music would you all have the youth of today listening to? Be glad that powerful, precise, blood-racing music is becoming more popular and remember that your parents likely didn't appreciate your music either. Metal's been around for 40 years on and isn't going away despite what religious fanatics, middle-of-the-roaders, hippies, hipsters, and the Frickes and Christgaus of the world think of it.
You could get Brent Bozell and Ellen Goodman to hang out together if it involved burning heavy metal albums, and that alone is enough reason to get onboard.
At my age, there isn't enough time to listen to what I like to hear, and it is a varied lot, but as like the idea of reading all the books in the world or watching all the movies in the world, trying to listen to all the music in the world, it is impossible and heavy metal past the floyd, led zep, emerson lake palmer, hendrix, yes, rolling stones, roy harper and many others, just doesn't have what I want to hear, unless it is some very good and well played classical music or english folk music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nga2-5f1O3Q
Another Maiden song that runs the power elites through with gleaming spears.
Let's see Coldplay or Radiohead raise righteous havoc like that.
"Another Maiden song that runs the power elites through with gleaming spears.
Let's see Coldplay or Radiohead raise righteous havoc like that."
Hahaha! Yes yes yes. Well done.
\m/ Seventhson. :)
So it was like the old dazes.... lighters... sing alongs...
whatever.
The audience were all "western" educated elites who had their meals prepared, their laundry washed, their beds made, and their toilets cleaned by "guest workers",( who have no rights
whatsoever), from the Philipines, Nepal, Indonesia, and who's libido is serviced by the usual sex slaves from Russ/E.Europe.
This article & the author (one&the same) are elitist trash.
"Could Iron Maiden's Philosophy Inspire an Alternative Economic System in the Middle East?"
I doubt it! Could Iron Maiden be an indication that the Middle Eastern youth's cultural tastes for the western crap is 30 to 40 years behind? Will they embrace hip-hop in 20 years?
I guess since these bums lacked real musical talent they had to abstain from drugs since they would render them completely incompetent? All I hear is Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath wannabees that pale in comparison. Why not give us a story about how popular Deep Purple is in Japan? Or how about how Savoy Brown, Johnny Winter, and Jethro Tull would not compromise there music yet have toured and recorded consistently for many more years? Would Iron Maiden have not accepted a Grammy like Tull if they had been awarded? Also I never knew Cross-Eyed Mary was a crappy song until Iron Maiden recorded it.
At least they're better than rap and country and still actually use a real instrument. That is an accomplishment these days.
Of course the lyrics are understandable, Paul. If you don't understand them while the songs are being performed, you can always read the lyrics. People sing along to the lyrics at the shows, so they must understand them. If I don't pick them up while I listen to them, I read them. When the music grabs you, you usually want to learn more about it.
Yeah, I skipped the picnic. I could elaborate as to why, but I'd rather not start a war. Let's just say that when I went to the last one, you were the only person I felt I could relate to, and that disconnect became more apparent as I got to know them more online.
Mot-What??? How is the author and the article elitist trash?
Now we have asshat FZ...
"I doubt it! Could Iron Maiden be an indication that the Middle Eastern youth's cultural tastes for the western crap is 30 to 40 years behind? Will they embrace hip-hop in 20 years?"
So what should they be listening to right now, or are you one of those soulless "intellectuals" that hates music. What's "good" Western music or is it all shit to you?
Is hip-hop shit to you also? The kids across the planet like that too, and it too can be socially-conscious in spite of the hip-hop that's popular nowadays.
Heavy metal is very current. Again, it has gained a worldwide foothold. There are metal festivals all over the globe. Iron Maiden nearly sold out the First Niagara Pavilion. If music that popular has a positive, progressive message to put forth, why is that bad? Because it offends your "erudite" tastes or goes against the grain of what progressives are supposed to like?
"I guess since these bums lacked real musical talent they had to abstain from drugs since they would render them completely incompetent?"
Heavy metal is very technical music and is a genre full of virtuosos. Let's see Eric Clapton play some of this stuff. That's a totally ignorant remark, FZ. You're spouting off about a style of music you know little about.
"All I hear is Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath wannabees that pale in comparison."
Those were two of the founding bands of the genre. Is every pop singer is an Elvis wannabe? Iron Maiden spearheaded the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, a subgenre that while influenced by the 70's bands, took metal into an entirely different direction and helped spawn the speed/thrash metal movement, another metal genre known for socially-conscious lyrics.
"Why not give us a story about how popular Deep Purple is in Japan?"
Metal's popular throughout Asia. Your point?
"Or how about how Savoy Brown, Johnny Winter, and Jethro Tull would not compromise there music yet have toured and recorded consistently for many more years?"
What do those bands have to do with Iron Maiden? If they're still around playing music and engaging world youth in a positive way, then good on them. I take it you're a fan of said bands? Iron Maiden's just an example the author used. There are many others.
Dave Walker of Savoy Brown sang in Black Sabbath for a short period btw.
"Would Iron Maiden have not accepted a Grammy like Tull if they had been awarded? Also I never knew Cross-Eyed Mary was a crappy song until Iron Maiden recorded."
The Grammy committee was/is pretty clueless when it comes to metal, especially back then. They've been nominated at least once for "Best Metal Performance" before. If they did show up to accept it, it would only be because it would make their fans happy, but I have a feeling they don't care either way. They know the Grammys are a huge joke.
Maiden's Jethro Tull cover was a b-side. Most American fans hadn't heard it until their albums were reissued with bonus tracks. Tull, like a number of UK prog rock bands of the 70's, were progenitors of a sort. Maiden in particular have always been influenced by prog rock.
"At least they're better than rap and country and still actually use a real instrument. That is an accomplishment these days."
Ah, you're an elitist. What should we all be listening to? Opera?
Yeah, jazz will really spur the youth on to action.
Hip-hop and country are also both musics born of poverty and struggle. Unfortunately, they both have been largely hijacked by Corporate America. Hence the songs about bling, gunplay, tractors, and checkin' each other fer ticks.
How many posters on here aren't old fuddyduddies? That's the movement of the Left; aging hippies and rich white kids who can get away with doing dumb shit.
Meanwhile, on the Right, you have old white people with money and a few fratboys.
On the Libertarian side you have a bunch of white/Asian yuppies.
This is American politics, folks. Subcultures.
All the guys I have known from the Metal community have been smart, optimistic people with as much musicianship as any classical violinist. Generally not aggresssive or racist as many on this site might imagine- embracing the "inner warrior" is not about advocating violence or imperialism.
To really appreciate the magic of Metal guitar listen to a Steve Vai solo.
Thanks for that Po Thread.
Metal does have an underbelly, which I've gotten into before in the forums here.
Metal isn't for everyone. I don't expect all people to like it. All I want to put across is that it gets a bad name from all sides and that it can be a force for great good in the world. Music can be one glorious weapon.
What other musics besides metal, hip-hop, and punk can outmuscle the right-wing? What else can make the Tea Party assholes run away? What puts snobby, yuppie Libertarians in their place?
If the Left doesn't embrace certain kinds of music, the Rightists and the Neo-Liberals will. Some already have.
God, metal has been giving Xtian fundies the vapors for decades! At least respect that! lol.
Whether you like metal or not (and I definitely do!) Iron Maiden is one of those bands that makes people smarter. Their lyrics are about politics, history, and religion. As a teenager, I was inspired to read and learn about people like Alexander the Great, and Winston Churchill. I learned about the Battle of Brittan, the treatment of native Americans, and the Crimean War. Iron Maiden is great, and I am glad that their fan base is spreading to the Middle East. I loved this article!
Hi from Australia. Long time reader - first time poster. I'm not usually one for the comments section of anything but after reading the piece and following the link to "Be Quick or be Dead" I just had to sign up.
What can I say? Metal engages people! :)
Saw Maiden back in '92 on the Fear of the Dark tour. A mighty concert. My blood has cooled a fair bit from those heady days and after a while I stopped listening to the genre. Got into a lot of other styles of music but will always have a soft spot for metal, even if I can't take as much of it as I used to. The Irons were my fave for a long time.
I think heavy metal has a very important place in culture. It is an angry music which lends itself to expressing rage at injustice and the like. It unites. It inspires. It reinforces. While some styles merely highlight issues (if even that), metal encourages action.
As mentioned earlier, Peter, Paul and Mary just didn't cut it for some of us. While we might have agreed with U2's offstage work, the music didn't represent our emotions. Punk just wasn't the right sound and for me was too unfocussed in its rage. To randomly destructive.
Rage Against the Machine, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Sepultura (in particular), Slayer and even Metallica on occasion wrote powerful music with a positive political and personal message.
So you don't understand the words? Well I'm the same with that Pavarotti fellah. Was he useless as a musician because I never understood what he sang? No. Are the people who weep at the sound of his voice elitist douchebags? Of course not.
Those who write off fans of a genre based on ill informed stereotypes as some of the posters on this site have, merely show their own prejudice. Perhaps they could heed some advice. Believing you have the moral highground (as we tend to think on the left) leads quickly to hubris and discrimination - not what the progressive movement is all about. Take a good look at yourselves.
Yes I met a few fans who were just into the metal scene to get wasted and blow off some energy. Most, however, had strong social consciences and were men and women of integrity and passion. Many were educated (some of them wound up with doctorates). Some were labourers. None of them had maids or "meals prepared for them". A remarkably few were hostile (considering all that angst). They liked a drink. They liked a smoke. They liked a good time and a hearty mosh, and were pretty angry at what they saw in the world. The music was an outlet and forum for their issues. They were and probably remained good people
In closing, I reiterate that heavy metal has a lot to offer society. In fact the most enduring thing I got from heavy metal (indeed from any style of music I've explored) is a philosophy I think we on the left can all agree with.
Silence means death.
Stand on your feet.
Inner fear, your worst enemy.
Refuse! Resist!
Welcome aboard, and thank you for deciding to make your first contribution this post here.
By the way, I love your country. I went to school and played basketball for a year at UCQ in Rockhampton back in 1993.
Up the Irons!
Thanks SeventhSon. I'm assuming that you're from the US? Haven't got there yet but it's on the list. I have to see the Cali redwoods before I die.
Yeah I've only been to Rockhampton once. A couple I know decided to get married in her home town. Only place in the world where I've seen dark rum and coke served premixed on tap. I just knew it was going to be a long weekend. Those Queenslanders sure love their Bundy!
I had the giant sized poster for 7th Son of a 7th Son above my bed for 5 years or so. A great painting. Striking image and with so many little details. Preferred Powerslave as an album though.
Thanks for your posts Adrian. \m/
Even Chuck D is a metal fan as metal was an influence on Public Enemy from their music and stark album cover imagery. Put that in yer bongs and smoke it.