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Ninety-Four Percent of Kandaharis Want Peace Talks, Not War
WASHINGTON - An opinion survey of Afghanistan's Kandahar province funded by the U.S. Army has revealed that 94 percent of respondents support negotiating with the Taliban over military confrontation with the insurgent group and 85 percent regard the Taliban as "our Afghan brothers".
Rahmat Gul - Afghans walk by a house destroyed in a suicide bombing the previous night in Kandahar, south of Kabul, Afghanistan, Friday, April 16, 2010 . Fear has gripped the southern city of Kandahar ahead of NATO's upcoming offensive, with many of the residents blaming foreign troops and the Afghan government as much as the Taliban for pushing the city toward the brink of chaos - the very thing the military hopes to reverse.
The survey, conducted
by a private U.S. contractor last December, covered Kandahar City and
other districts in the province into which Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal
is planning to introduce more troops in the biggest operation of the
entire war. Those districts include Arghandab, Zhari, rural Kandahar
and Panjwayi.
Afghan interviewers conducted the survey only in areas which were not under Taliban control.
The
decisive rejection of the use of foreign troops against the Taliban by
the population in Kandahar casts further doubt on the fundamental
premise of the Kandahar campaign, scheduled to begin in June, that the
population and tribal elders in those districts would welcome a
U.S.-NATO troop presence to expel the Taliban.
That assumption
was dealt a serious blow at a meeting on Apr. 4 at which tribal elders
from all over Kandahar told President Hamid Karzai they were not happy
with the planned military operation.
An unclassified report on
the opinion survey was published in March by Glevum Associates, a
Washington-based "strategic communications" company under contract for
the Human Terrain Systems programme in Afghanistan. A link to the
report was first provided by the website Danger Room which reported the
survey Apr. 16.
Ninety-one percent of the respondents
supported the convening of a "Loya Jirga", or "grand assembly" of
leaders as a way of ending the conflict, with 54 percent "strongly"
supporting it, and 37 percent "somewhat" supporting it. That figure
appears to reflect support for President Karzai's proposal for a "peace
Jirga" in which the Taliban would be invited to participate.
The
degree to which the population in the districts where McChrystal plans
to send troops rejects military confrontation and believes in a
peaceful negotiated settlement is suggested by a revealing vignette
recounted by Time magazine's Joe Klein in the Apr. 15 issue.
Klein
accompanied U.S. Army Captain Jeremiah Ellis when he visited a
17-year-old boy in Zhari district whose house Ellis wanted to use an
observation post. When Ellis asked the boy how he thought the war would
end, he answered, "Whenever you guys get out from here, things will get
better. The elders will sit down with the Taliban, and the Taliban will
lay down their arms."
The Kandahar offensive seems likely to
dramatise the contrast between the U.S. insistence on a military
approach to the Taliban control of large parts of southern Afghanistan
and the overwhelming preference of the Pashtun population for
initiating peace negotiations with the Taliban as Karzai has proposed.
Ironically,
highlighting that contradiction in the coming months could encourage
President Barack Obama to support Karzai's effort to begin negotiations
with the Taliban now rather than waiting until mid-2011, as the U.S.
military has been advocating since last December.
Obama told a
meeting of his "war cabinet" last month that it might be time to start
negotiations with the Taliban, but Defence Secretary Robert Gates and
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have opposed any move toward
negotiations until Gen. McChrystal is able to demonstrate clear success
in weakening the Taliban.
The Taliban ruling council has taken
advantage of the recent evidence of contradictions between Pashtuns in
Kandahar and the U.S. military over the Kandahar offensive by signaling
in an interview with The Sunday Times of London that Taliban leader
Mullah Omar is prepared to engage in "sincere and honest" talks.
In
a meeting in an unidentified Taliban-controlled area of Afghanistan
reported Sunday, two Taliban officials told the newspaper that Omar's
aims were now limited to the return of sharia (Islamic law), the
expulsion of foreigners and the restoration of security. It was the
first major signal of interest in negotiations since the arrest of
Mullah Omar's second in command, Mullah Baradar, in late January.
The
report of the Glevum survey revealed that more people in Kandahar
regard checkpoints maintained by the Afghan National Army (ANA) and
Afghan National Police (ANP) and ANA and ANP vehicles as the biggest
threat to their security while traveling than identified either Taliban
roadside bombs or Taliban checkpoints as the main threat.
Fifty-eight
percent of the respondents in the survey said the biggest threat to
their security while traveling were the ANA and ANP checkpoints on the
road, and 56 percent said ANA/ANP vehicles were the biggest threat.
Only 44 percent identified roadside bombs as the biggest threat – the
same percentage of respondents who regard convoys of the International
Security Assistance Force – the NATO command under Gen. McChrystal – as
the primary threat to their security.
Only 37 percent of the respondents regarded Taliban checkpoints as the main threat to their security.
In
Kandahar City, the main target of the coming U.S. military offensive in
Kandahar, the gap between perceptions of threats to travel security
from government forces and from the Taliban is even wider.
Sixty-five
percent of the respondents in Kandahar City said they regard ANA/ANP
checkpoints as the main threat to their security, whereas roadside
bombs are the main problem for 42 percent of the respondents.
The
survey supports the U.S. military's suspicion that the transgressions
of local officials of the Afghan government, who are linked mainly to
President Karzai's brother, Ahmed Wali Karzai, the head of the Kandahar
province council and the main warlord in the province, have pushed the
population into the arms of the Taliban.
An overwhelming 84
percent of the respondents agreed that corruption is the main cause of
the conflict, and two-thirds agreed that government corruption "makes
us look elsewhere". That language used in the questionnaire was
obviously intended to allow respondents to hint that they were
supporting the Taliban insurgents in response to the corruption,
without saying so explicitly.
More than half the respondents (53 percent) endorsed the statement that the Taliban are "incorruptible".
"Corruption"
is a term that is often understood to include not only demands for
payments for services and passage through checkpoints but violence by
police against innocent civilians.
The form of government
corruption that has been exploited most successfully by the Taliban in
Kandahar is the threat to destroy opium crops if the farmers do not pay
a large bribe. The survey did not ask any questions about opium growing
and Afghan attitudes toward the government and the Taliban, although
that was one of the key questions that Gen. Michael T. Flynn, the head
of intelligence for Gen. McChrystal, had sought clarification of.
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Show AllMc Meths response, but it is so much fun to destroy ancient cities and dead women do not miss school or high heels.
Everyone wants Peace but the imperialists because then they will have to leave without their TAPI pipeline.
Of course Obomber could make Peace today if he wanted.
Its like if I (USA) just rape her (Afghanistan) a little more she will love me.
More USA kills more Afghans will want to kill the USA.
Hillarybots notice the role she plays as a worse Warmonger than Obomber.
Also, keep in mind under international law it is legal to grow poppies and the precursors for Heroin enter the nation in Chemical Tankers though the Kyber Pass in tandem with USA military convoys.
Don't the Kandaharis understand that occupation and war equal big profits for the military industrial media complex, and eternal occupation and war equal eternal profits ?
But... we've got to liberate all the women and get Osama, don't we?
What about all those girl's schools that are supposed to built right next to the pipeline? Are they still in the cards now that the Afghans have told us that they love the Taliban more than they love Western Crusades?
That would be a very good question for Helen Thomas to ask Obama.
"Will Afghanis come to love us if we rape Afghanistan a little more?"
94% want peace in their village........DUH
the other 6% are probably already dead.
"The survey supports the U.S. military's suspicion that the transgressions of local officials of the Afghan government, who are linked mainly to President Karzai's brother, Ahmed Wali Karzai, the head of the Kandahar province council and the main warlord in the province, have pushed the population into the arms of the Taliban."
Let me translate this:
The corrupt brother of the president, pushed the population into Taliban hands. (Just as the military suspected!) Surveys are wonderful!
Bill 9:54 ----
The ANA nor the ANP are local they are mostly imposed Tajiks that may very well create a civil war after the invaders flee.
To believe the USA propaganda against either Karzai is naive at best.
I mean how often do our favorite imperial invaders tell the truth?
And there is almost universal Afgan hatred for foreign occupiers nevermind the stormtroopers wanton slaughter of civilians.
Do you actually believe a the Karzai's are more corrupt than the USA War Machine?
Just the fact that they want Peace makes them less corrupt for there is no worse corruption than slaughter.
Here in the land of Americant,
Progressives kvetch,
Progressives rant.
That's all I've gotten so far.
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"Do something about Public Law 107-40 or admit that you don't really care" - ICouldBeaVerb, 4/17/10.
I can't say it any better than that, so I will be repeating it.
Actually the civilian the AV ran over in the Wikileaks video was a wounded civilian, possibly the Iraqi photographer that his brother said had been exposing USA atrocities.
Got me. Unless that person is visibly moving on that tape before or after, I have no idea how anyone who was not present at the time would claim to know. By the same token, if the person were not visibly blown apart, not even the driver who ran over him would know before or after whether he was alive or not.
Just by accident an indy did a docu the next day and interviewed eyewitnesses, the man was crawling.
And I remmember him as being the photographer or his driver. The AV cut him in half.
This might have been a hit on the Photographer whose brother said he was about to film a USA atrocity site.
Amy Goodman interviewed the Docu filmaker the day after or the same day she interviewed the Wikileaks chief guy.
It is clear that the Afghans overwhelmingly want us out. Then why are we there? All empires (Ottoman, Roman, British, French etc.) finally disband.
This echoes Dwight D Eisenhower's one time comment or words to the effect that "People want peace so badly that sooner or later politicians are going to have to get out of the way and give it to them."
AD
It leaked out that Obama just wanted one big military victory before winding down.
So the world found out and Afghans don't like being guinea pigs in the War Machine's plans for a show-time battle in a war of perception by men who stare at ghosts.
All wars should end with a new survey.
Well, it was what I predicted before the election... so this is something I have kinda been on the lookout for a bit and piece that leaks here or there..
I just googled one here ... I never saw this before but it has the same idea that Obama wants to negotiate from a position of strength.... a given actually.
"The White House is pushing “reconciliation” as a way to ram the health care sham through the Senate, and now they’re considering reconciling with the Taliban.
I’d be optimistic for progress if it weren’t for thousands of years of history working against this notion:
President Obama met with his war cabinet on Friday, and the issue of reconciling with the Taliban is gaining traction, even as administration officials debate whether the time is right.
[...]
“It is now more a question of ‘when’ than a question of ‘if,’ ” the administration official said, when asked about the idea of reconciliation talks with senior Taliban officials.
Another official, who like the senior administration official spoke on condition of anonymity because internal administration discussions were still at an early stage, said, “There’s been a lot of energy applied to the reconciliation issue in the last few weeks.”
But both officials added that, for now, there are no plans for reaching out soon to high-ranking Taliban leaders. That effort, they said, is likely to wait until after the United States takes on Taliban insurgents in Kandahar in what is expected to be the next major military offensive in Afghanistan."
http://dougpowers.com/2010/03/13/reconciliation-mania-white-house-considers-talks-with-taliban/
So maybe I am psychic... Ha Haaa
Keep in mind that the Taliban Peace negotiators were arrested by the Pakistani's very recently.
Now who benefits from that ? The USA endless war machine.
Yes the war machine runs like it always has...now it is 50 percent of the budget and rising.
I think JFK was trying to stop it by making peace with Russia and Cuba and he also made the first official move in making Our money by the tresury instead of the monopoly of the financial world by the Federal Reserve Private Bankster Clubhouse Band.
You make some good points above, but if JFK was trying to make peace with Russia and Cuba, he did so mighty strangely.
Yes and in the last few months, things were happening in Back channels and hidden from the press but this was all against the CIA Cold War Plan! there were-many known threats on JFK related to him from I believe Gen. mcarther, from those forces connected to Wall St. add Two Oswalds and you got a mystery.
Allen Dulles among an army, had that connection and JFK fired him. and the war with the old CIA/mafia got hot.
and in the middle of all this is counter intel of every branch investigating radical or commie, Civil rights antiwar or folk music and hippy inspired conspiracy, a Love revolution
but the stuff I may have heard or wished about Kennedy at the time is now documented in the new book "The UNspeakable"
But we are off topic a bit..
Thanks
Didn't bush I admit to creating the taliban and their secret ops cohorts to "battle the Russians"? I guess they're our friends, no enemies, no frienemies, kiss and make up.
Dick Cheney speaks of the "special relationship." Christian dominionists believe that the special relationship exists and that it is their manifest destiny to dominate the world. It is their goal and obligation. Part of that dominionist belief system requires that an oil pipeline be built through Afghanistan to preserve American Power. The special relationship is built upon killing and subjugating millions of people and stealing their resources. It's a self serving myth.
Disaster will be the ultimate reward.
According to the Course in Miracles, specialness is the greatest mental error. So Dick's in grave mental error. Who knew?!
There you have it, about 6% of the population are warmongers, close to the same amount of the population which is socio/psychopathic. How do we continue to allow the warmaking ruling bully elite to encroach their disgusting behavior upon us peacelivers, the majority of humans on the planet?!
Seems what's holding up peace negotiations is the military's desperate need for a victory, such that, they'll have something to show for the thousands of our troops, tens of thousands of Afghanis, not to mention all the money wasted that would, could, should have gone for health care, education, name it. But no, as far as the Pentagon is concerned, no matter how many lives are lost, it's keep this damn war going until such time as there's a military action which will allow the U.S. to kick enough ass to declare victory. And never mind that whatever accord follows said action, the same agreement could have been reached without this Kandahar assault. Oh, but if the war had ended before it had a win, what would the Pentagon honchos have said when asked what the hell was that all about, and what might such a dilemma have done to its ratings as one of the most highly regarded institutions in the land (right up there along with physicians, nurses and clergy)? After all they must know that a precipitous slippage in the military's popularity could have implications in terms of funding, promotions, even demilitarization. Impossible? Well, thirty-eight years ago that's just what happened to Argentina's military after it got clobbered by Great Britian in the Falkland Islands War, a war that it had no chance of winning. Afterwards, not only was the military in disgrace, but the leaders of the fascist military dictatorship that started the war were put on trial and ended up in the hoosegaw. How nice would it be if the same thing happens here? Not just to the Pentagon top brass, but all the way up to and including the WH?
Why did the military fund this particular survey? And why were the results released? Is it just to show they (the Kandahari) are impressed with our ability to impose misery? or that we don't care what they don't want, we're going to carry on with our god-given mission notwithstanding?
I'm inclined to agree with Jim Glover that Obama doesn't want to end this thing without some really resounding-appearing operation on our part.
I suppose it's reasonable to assume that the pipeline is still part of the calculus. If a compliant Taliban will grant us access to that route,I'm sure that all the phony liberation-of- women cant will fade away.
Our military should give up on Afghanistan and invade Iran instead where our CIA and our troops would be welcomed as liberators.