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Student Expelled to Gaza Strip by Force
Palestinian's involuntary return is the sixth in 10 days, says human rights group
A Palestinian student has been handcuffed, blindfolded and forcibly expelled to the Gaza Strip by Israeli troops just two months before she was due to graduate from university.
Berlanty Azzam, 21,was handcuffed and blindfolded Berlanty Azzam, 21, who was studying for a business degree at Bethlehem
University, said she was coming home in a shared taxi from a job
interview in Ramallah on Wednesday when soldiers at the "Container"
checkpoint took her identity card and that of another passenger with a
Gaza address.
After six hours of waiting, soldiers told her she would be taken to a detention centre in the southern West Bank, and she was handcuffed and blindfolded, she said.
"The driving took longer than it should have and I started to think something was wrong. I started to wonder, what are they doing to me?" After the car stopped and the blindfold was lifted, Ms Azzam saw she was at the Erez crossing to Gaza.
It was the sixth known forced return to Gaza of Palestinians stopped at the "Container" checkpoint - which is between Bethlehem and Abu Dis - in 10 days, according to the Israeli human rights group Gisha. Israel has also been preventing family reunifications in the West Bank for Palestinians with relatives living in Gaza, in effect forcing people to relocate to the Strip.
The steps are part of an Israeli policy of treating Gaza and the West Bank as two separate entities, thereby undermining the coherence of Palestinian claims for a state encompassing both territories. The 1993 Oslo agreement stipulates that the West Bank and Gaza Strip are to be treated as one territorial unit.
Major Guy Inbar, an Israeli defense ministry official, said the reason for Ms Azzam's deportation was that she was "staying illegally" in the West Bank.
"We are talking about a Gaza citizen who requested permission to study in the area of Judea and Samaria and received a negative answer," he said.
"In 2005, she was given a permit to visit Jerusalem for four days and she remained afterwards [in the West Bank] without any permit. Her entire period as a student was based on deceit and was against the law."
Sari Bashi, head of the Israeli Gisha human rights group, who tried to intervene on Ms Azzam's behalf, said she was assured by military lawyers on Wednesday that the student would not be deported to Gaza and that the rights group could seek a judicial review in the morning.
"The military misled us," Ms Bashi said. "There is a violation here of the right to access education, the right to freedom of movement and the right to choose one's place of residence within one's own territory."
The army did not respond to a request for comment.
Brother Jack Curran, vice president for development of Bethlehem University, termed the expulsion "a disgrace". "This is not about politics. It's about a young person finishing her degree. Since 2005 she has been studying as a good student. No one is a winner from this."
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Show AllA nuclear Holocaust is simply too good for Israel. They deserve to be wiped off the map, their people fenced into a small herding area, never to breed again.
Thong-girl is on the mark, but it will not be enough to control and isolate the apartheid state of israhell. So here's just how bad it is for israhell. Just this week alone; Hugo Chavez has just banned all israeli tourist from entering Venezuela, another US jew was busted by the US justice department for passing classified information to israhell agents, and two jews were shot in Los Angeles.
What are you trying to say, Dead GI, that randomly shooting Jews in L.A is desirable?
Absolutely not Letto, but it's not looking too terribly good for jews in amerikca these days, particularly those who support the zionist regime in israhell. But was the shooting in LA random or was it just a bunch of college kids having fun?
Letto: oh no, god forbids!
Only Jews are allowed to massacre others, in the US and abroad:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/05/09/Rubin_230905.html
read on, and spare us the image of the poor victimized Zionist. You know your numbers are dwindling, the more the world knows about your lies and deceit. My question is, if you love the criminal state so much, why live anywhere else? I think it is anti-American to love a country that spy against the US, don't you think?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15222134/
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iYPSE1gjXXr3aqw5e5Dde19vNnCg
Letto: oh no, god forbids!
Only Jews are allowed to massacre others, in the US and abroad:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/05/09/Rubin_230905.html
read on, and spare us the image of the poor victimized Zionist. You know your numbers are dwindling, the more the world knows about your lies and deceit. My question is, if you love the criminal state so much, why live anywhere else? I think it is anti-American to love a country that spy against the US, don't you think?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15222134/
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iYPSE1gjXXr3aqw5e5Dde19vNnCg
You are right on the money kid....
Thong-girl:
I tend to agree with you, except for the fact that we should be the humane beings the Israelis can't.
I survived the 1967 so-called 6-day war. It was a sham, and a fabricated lie by the PR machine of Israel, to present itself, yet again, as a victim.
I remember the Israeli jets flying above, breaking the sound barrier, because they could! There were no Arab defenses, it was just a story made up to beef up the image of Israel as a ferocious fighter, a country with the army that can't be defeated (yeah right! - just think 1000 Hizbu Allah fighters, 2007).
Anyway, my solution is more humane ... if you are born in Palestine before 1936 (with legitimate documentation) you/your descendants get to stay, otherwise, better start renewing them European and Russian passports. The next generations of Palestinians, aren't going to be civil about avenging their parents and stolen land.
Until then, join me in calling this thuggish and illegitimate state by its new name, State Of Unreal.
Yet more evidence of an Israeli government pogrom of cultural genocide.
The two state solution is bullshit. Israelis need to man up and accept the palestinians into their culture. We (the US) should not have relations with such a racist, apartheid country.
The two state solution will never work. What about muslims living with Israel? Are they to continue living as second-class citizens? The comparisons to South Africa are abundant. Israel should be ashamed; we should be ashamed by association.
You're absolutely right. This is a clear example of why the two state solution will not and cannot work.
The only solution is a single state.
I do, however, question your statement that the US should not have relations with such a racist, apartheid country. I understand that the US isn't ACTIVELY promoting racism in Israel, but are we really any better. Does the US have any moral authority to blame Israel, while it murders innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan???
You mean one state solution like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faisal%E2%80%93Weizmann_Agreement
This is what Liberal Zionism wanted all along.
So much bloodshed could have been saved, so many wars could have been prevented, if the Arabs had not backed from the one-state-solution 1919 Faisal-Weizmann Agreement.
"So much bloodshed could have been saved"
Spare us your nonsense and lies.
Stories like this describing such petty harassment serve to focus attention on the realities of daily life in the occupied territories. Israel is acting cruelly and stupidly, and that is a feature of nearly every colonial occupying power throughout history. Responses such as thong-girl and Dead GI are also cruel and stupid and add nothing to the discussion.
Boycott Divest Sanctions Now!
I applaud South African dock workers, Hugo Chavez, academic groups across the world, Dr. Ilan Pappe, Dr. Norman Finkelstein, Dr. Schlomo Sand, Naomi Klein, Dennis Bernstein and many others who have taken a brave stance against Israel's crimes and the US support and funding of those crimes.
Since the USA is still the global military hegemon, and the protector of Israel from the rest of the world, huge pressures must be brought to bear against the US ruling elite to stop this madness as well as the US's own (direct)imperial slaughter. International coalitions, like those that helped bring down Apartheid in South Africa, are key.
Some people feel that AIPAC et al. have taken over US policy, however this is a simplistic view. I agree with Ali Abunimah (Electronic Intifada), for example, that US so-called strategic interests overlap with those of Israel and this special relationship is not one sided. Israel serves US imperial interests in the region and that is quite clear, in my opinion. Chomsky aslo agrees on this, for example.
Back into you prison cell, you brown terrorost Arab-ess!
Israel is just USA-ME
"The only means of strengthening one's intellect is to make up one's mind about nothing, to let the mind be a thoroughfare for all thoughts." - John Keats
Why do we have to tolerate this bullshit from Israel? They are the first to bitch about Iran trying to get nukes and Israel has hundreds of illegal nuclear weapons and now with the Jericho 3 missiles, they can reach 5000km, which is bound to piss off Russians and Chinese. Why are these assholes always allowed to do what they want and fuck over everyone...I am sick and tired of the excuse that they are surrounded by enemies and they need to protect themselves and if you disagree with them, you are labelled antisemitic.
Well... is it antisemitic to say that the USA should not give one fucking dime to Israel nor support until they go back to the original UN resolution of land division of 1948 (even then, the Brits fucked everything up by allowing illegal wave after illegal wave of jewish immigrants who took formed guerrilla groups and terrorized arab villages and killed and stole the land, land that the arabs were living in as a majority for over 1200 yrs, screw the bible, you can't let the bible dictate land boundaries) Is it antisemitic to tell Israel to tear doewn the Wall which is essentially another land grab? Is it antisemitic to tell Israel to not kill palestinian civilians? I could go on and on with the wrongs done to the palestinians but the USA in it's stupidity and it's jewish control of media, always backs these fucking assholes. You want peace in the middle east, then the US has to grow a backbone and tell these fuckers to stop settlements and give back the land to palestinians. Chosen people my ass...
If a person supports the Palestinians, they cannot be labeled anti-Semitic since the Palestinians are also Semites. Anybody who does so, is simply ignorant and/or stupid.
Ok, Kitty, you may never have heard that one before, but it's an old chestnut and based more on 19th Century racist "anthropology" than anything else. Has it ever occurred to you to think what the basis of that designation, Palestinian, is, and what all it comprises, really, when examined closely? Or do you accept the label given by Israeli political interests? You must realize that Christians are treated similarly unjustly.
There are better arguments for treating human beings with compassion and dignity.
What's happening here is that Israel is finding ways to clear the West Bank of Palestinians. Israel is a master at bending laws and regulations to suit its goals. or completely disregarding them. Its goal is to empty them out from the WBank, dump them all in Gaza, where they can rot and those that haven't already died from disease or malnutrition can wait for the next phosphorus storm. Make Eretz Israel Palestinierfrei.
Another benefit of interfering with the education of young people outside Gaza is that the people will be crippled culturally and helpless to pull themselves out of their misery.
If all you have to do to have a peace in the Middle-East is for Israel to evacuate half million Jews (making the territory Jewish free) and withraw from the West bank - than how could you explain that there was no peace before 1967?
After all, between 1948 and 1967, for a period of 19 years, the west bank was ethnically clean of Jews - yet there was no peace.
Asteroid. Had to be an asteroid.
WOW. You personify Cognitive Dissonance and delusional thinking. Bravo. Well played.
Did it occur to you that the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in 1948 may have had something to do with it?
What right did Israel have to come about anyway? What right did the British in 1917 have when they promised Palestine to Zionist elites and lobbyists in the Balfour Declaration?
None.
Mohawk “What right did Israel have to come about anyway?”
Let’s expand that question. By what right did the USA have to come about anyway? What about Canada, France, Turkey, Morocco, China, Russia. Any country for that matter. Why don’t you ask the same question about Liberia?
Israel is a respectable UN member, who joined the UN 60 years ago, before many of the current members.
The real question one should ask is why the obsession with Israel’s right to exist? Why some people think that of all nations, only the Jews are not allowed to have a country (Which unlike many other countries, including the US, also happened to be in the land of their ancestors). This is the only question worthy of being asked on that matter.
1. I'm not being paid to post here by anyone.
nativetongueredux doesn’t like to be confronted with facts which contradict his world view, so instead of coming up with data that supports his claims (which I'm sure he won't be able to find), he simply chose the easy way of dismissing my comments by falsely claiming that I'm being paid to post here.
Funny how you cherry pick with which poster to engage.
Are you afraid of being annihilated should you actually address facts that YOU are incapable of defending?
As for your shilling, it's evident that you have no basic concept of the history of the conflict. Everything you keep regurgitating here can be summarily dismissed as spin and half-truths, both of which are the very essence of propaganda.
So why can't you engage in a debate based on facts and sticking to the subject instead of jumping back and forth and cherry picking the events you care to discuss? And then you wonder why you're ridiculed and never taken seriously.
Are you simply incapable? I think so. Your "knowledge" is what we call "shallow and superficial".
You might be more successful on websites like CNN or Fox. See if you can shill there.
I accept your challenge, Mohawk.
Originally, Diogenes57 had a theory. He claimed that if: “You want peace in the middle east, then the US has to grow a backbone and tell these fuckers to stop settlements and give back the land to palestinians.”
In my reply, I asked Diogenes57 to explain, how come there was no peace when there were no West Bank settlements – (The West Bank was clean of all Jewish presence between 1948 and 1967, with the exception of the Samaritans, which are a different ethnic group that may or may not be Jews.)
You ask me to back my statements with proves not from CNN or Fox. Here it is:
Here are a few links that prove that Jews (The non Samaritans Jews) lived in the West Bank before 1948, and that they were ethnically cleansed by Arabs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Quarter_(Jerusalem)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfar_Etzion_massacre
I also said that between 1948 and 1967 there was no peace in the Middle-East. You can google it if you’re looking for additional proves.
Now it’s your turn. I’ve showed you I’m capable of bringing facts that support my side in the debate. You, Mohawk, are now free to bring your own “facts.” I’m waiting to see how you “prove” me wrong.
The entire premise of your argument is false.
You start by assuming that there is a problem between Jews and Muslims. That's false.
Then you assume that Palestinians are all Muslims. That's false too.
Then you assume that since there are colonies being built daily as we speak on privately-owned Palestinian land and the Palestinians are rejecting such violations of their rights and property - the assumption you make - is that the Palestinians are acting that way because they don't like Jews. That assumption and the underlying logic are both false.
Then you go on to make the assumption that between 1948 and 1967 there were no Jews in the West Bank, and therefore - you conclude, falsely - there had to be peace.
Peace is a nice concept and is a positive state to which all human beings should aspire.
But your use of "peace" is vague. It is vague and out of context because you assume that events exist in a vacuum. That's another illogical and false argument.
The world, time, our cognition of reality and the laws of gravity don't exist in a vacuum. Even in outer space there are gravitational forces.
You can't cherry pick events or stereotypes, lumps them together and organize them like LEGO pieces to build an argument that suits you. It simply doesn't work that way.
Mohawk: “Then you assume that Palestinians are all Muslims. That's false too.”
I never said so nor did I assume so. How did you get to that conclusion? Not all Muslims are Palestinians, and I never said that they are.
Mohawk: “Then you assume that since there are colonies being built daily as we speak on privately-owned Palestinian…”
Not all Settlements were built on privately-owned Palestinian land. Some were built on land owned by Jews who were ethnically cleansed during or before 1948. (Such as the Jewish quarter in East Jerusalem, or Hebron.)
Some Settlements were built on land legally bought from Palestinians who put a “for sale” sign at full asking price.
Some Settlements were built on government land (which was not owned by anyone)
And in some cases – you are correct, Settlements were built on privately-owned Palestinian land. – And this is wrong, and I do not support that last type of settlements.
Mohawk: “Then you go on to make the assumption that between 1948 and 1967 there were no Jews in the West Bank, and therefore - you conclude, falsely - there had to be peace.”
Not true! I suggest you re-read my comment from October 30th, 2009 9:48 pm. I claimed that there was no peace between 1967 and 1948 EVEN THOUGH there was no Jewish Settlement in the West bank. That’s different that saying that there was no peace BECAUSE there were no settlements.
Peace will occur when all sides will stop fighting (violently). I’m not sure on what you mean by referring to vacuum, space and gravitational forces, and why simply wanting peace is vague. Perhaps you’re too intelligent for the likes of me, the simple person who simply want peace.
Any more “proofs?”
Perhaps a proof against one of my hard core claims? Perhaps a proof that there was peace in the Middle East before 1967? Perhaps a proof that there were no Jews living in the West bank before 1948?
Perhaps you’re too intelligent for the likes of me, the simple person who simply want peace.
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Would you like milk and cookies with that peace? Poor you, that's all you want? Why didn't you say so?
In all seriousness, you can't keep going back and forth between what you wrote and what you meant.
It seems as though you're trying to keep your options open so you're playing this game of semantics.
At first I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, thinking that your native language wasn't English, or that you had some kind of medical issue, but now I see that you're bored and are playing a silly childish game.
Perhaps you can explain how you expected there to be peace between 1948 and 1967.
The current problem in the West Bank is not JUST the Jewish only colonies, it's the military occupation.
There was no Israeli occupation between 1948 and 1967 in the West Bank. Israel started the 1967 war to grab more land.
So how does this sit with your concept of peace exactly?
Mohawk: “Israel started the 1967 war to grab more land”
And you blame me for being simplistic?
Although Israel fired the first shot against Egypt (in the case of Jordan and Syria, they were the ones who shoot first) Israel did not start the six-day war. The first act of war was taken by Egypt when they imposed a naval blockade against Israeli civilian shipping in international waters on May 23rd.
Also, Egypt mobilized its forces into the Sinai and expelled the UN peacekeeping forces, (Not acts of war, but still an immediate threat, a clear and present danger.)
Also, Egypt and Syria threatened to exterminate Israel. (Still, no Settlements, remember?)
On May 26, Nasser announced “…the battle against Israel will be a general one and not confined to one spot on the Syrian or Egyptian borders. The battle will be a general one and our basic objective will be to destroy Israel”
Mike Shuster expressed a view that was prevalent in Israel before the war that the country "was surrounded by Arab states dedicated to its eradication. Egypt was ruled by Gamal Abdel Nasser, a firebrand nationalist whose army was the strongest in the Arab Middle East. Syria was governed by the radical Baathist Party, constantly issuing threats to push Israel into the sea.
A simplistic view you say??? Israel simply started the 1967 war against the peace loving Arab regimes simply because it wanted to grab more land???”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
Letto: The West Bank was never free of Jews. Have you never met or heard of the Samaritans? The Jews who observed only the Pentateuch and not the later accretions of Jewish "history?" They had lived around Nablus for millennia and done so in peace with their Christian and Muslim neighbors (and pre-Christian neighbors, come to that). When Israel expropriated the West Bank it tried, for obvious reasons of propaganda, to get the Samaritans to move to Jerusalem. Most refused and stayed where they'd always lived. A small number were induced to go to "Israel" but most of them returned.
Fair enough, I’m not sure is Samaritans are considered Jews or not, so I’ll rephrase my comments by replacing the word Jews with non-Samaritan Jews.
In 1929 and 1948, all the Jews except for the Samaritans who may or may not be Jews, were ethnically cleansed from the West Bank and Gaza by Arab mob or by Arab armies (The Jewish quarter in Jerusalem, Hebron, Gush-Etzion, Bet-Haarava, Gaza, Kfar Darom, Yad Mordechai etc.)
Between 1948 and 1967, the west bank was ethnically clean of non-Samaritan Jews – Yet there was no peace.
The real question in this thread (started by Diogenes57) is:
Would there be peace in the Middle-East if the West Bank will become clean of Jews.
The Jewishness level of Samaritans is simply a knee-jerk diversion by Rainborowe.
I don’t know if Samaritans are Jews or not. From my perspective, it's up for them to decide.
The Samaritans were considered sufficiently (religiously) Jewish for the Israeli government of 1967-8 to attempt to absorb and resettle them in Jerusalem. And, yes, they are different from the present Jews. They were the original Jews who didn't end up in the diasporas in Babylon and Persia (where the Judaism we know as such was created) or those after the Bar Kokhba revolt who fled the Romans to live in other Semitic (i.e. Arab) countries around the Mediterrean and Mesopotamia. And to answer Letto below, yes, they are racially different (whatever that means) from European Jews; they actually are of the same mostly Semitic descent like all those who lived in Palestine before the European Zionist immigrations.
In 1929 and 1948, all the Jews except for the Samaritans who may or may not be Jews, were ethnically cleansed from the West Bank and Gaza by Arab mob or by Arab armies (The Jewish quarter in Jerusalem, Hebron, Gush-Etzion, Bet-Haarava, Gaza, Kfar Darom, Yad Mordechai etc.)
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What's your source? As it stands, what you posted is an outright fabrication.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Quarter_(Jerusalem)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfar_Etzion_massacre
We're not playing this game again.
You wrote:
"all the Jews ...were ethnically cleansed"
That's what I responded to and that is a fact.
Two or three clashes that resulted in dead Jews, doesn't constitute a systematic ethnic cleansing and it certainly does not point to intent to "[kill] all the Jews" as you claimed.
Again, your argument has no merit.
After these "two or three clashes", no Jews were left in the West bank. (Hebron, the Jewish quarter of Jerusalem or in Kfat Etzion and all others...)
All the (non Samaritans) Jews who lived in the West Bank before 1948 were killed of forced to leave. If this is not ethnic cleansing - I don't know what is.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Ethnic+cleansing
ethnic cleansing
–noun the elimination of an unwanted ethnic group or groups from a society, as by genocide or forced emigration.
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Origin:
1985–90
Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.
–noun the elimination of an unwanted ethnic group or groups from a society, as by genocide or forced emigration.
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I'm not going to stoop low enough to start arguing over semantics when the topic at hand involves the lives of people, or more accurately, the "honor of the dead".
It makes me feel ikky.
If you want to call it ethnic cleansing do so.
But, just a piece of advice, if anyone in the future while discussing the Israeli attack on Gaza earlier this year or the systematic killing of Palestinians by Israel over the last 40 years calls THAT "ethnic cleansing" or "genocide", do yourself a favor and don't claim that it's not as you did here:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/22-7
Letto May 24th, 2009 12:06 pm
Ethnic cleansing is ethnic cleansing - even if the victims are Jews.
The last war in Gaza was not ethnic cleansing nor Genocide.
The Palestinians were not forced to leave Gaza. The IDF didn't try to exterminate the Palestinians.
I see now.
So killing 120 Jews, for example, is genocide in your book.
But, killing 6,500 Palestinians between 2000 and 2009 is NOT ethnic cleansing in your book. Nor is killing 1400 Palestinians in 2009 considered genocide or ethnic cleansing in your book.
And before you ask for a source, here's your source. Just do the math: http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Casualties.asp
Now I know who you are and what you're all about.
OK.
End of discussion.
Buh Bye.
Mohawk: “So killing 120 Jews, for example, is genocide in your book.”
I never said it was Genocide. Deliberately killing 120 unarmed people (It doesn’t matter if they are Jews or Palestinians or members of any ethnic group) is not Genocide, but a massacre.
If you have problem understanding meaning of words, there is a great book that can help you. It is called “A dictionary.”
I now need to go to sleep. I have a genocide of a head-hack.
There was no peace because huge numbers of Palestinians had been forced out (and killed in the massacres of several villages) by Irgun in order to make "lebensraum" for the incoming European Jews who were bent on seizing as much territory as possible while the UN dithered. Where do you think the large Palestinian population of Lebanon, Syria and Jordan came from? Have a look around the West Bank and notice the hundreds of mud-brick refugee camps lived in by ejected Palestinians from their homes claimed by the Zionists in 1947 to 1967 (when most, but not all, fled again into Jordan).
Also remember that many of those Arab countries whose Jews felt threatened in 1948 still have Jewish populations today. Some Jews undoubtedly were threatened and forced to leave in retaliation for the eviction of Palestinians from their land. Still, many Arab countries do have Jewish populations.
There was no peace before 1967 because the Brits in their stupidity and two faced promises, told the arabs that if they helped them defeat the Turks (since Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire), in the area, lead by Lawrence of Arabia fame, they would get statehood. They did help the Brits and defeated the Turks but then at the same time Lord Balfour, who was a Millennialist and believed that the Second Coming of Jay-sus could only occur if prohecy was fulfilled by establishing Israel, pushed the Balfour Agreement, which let in illegal wave after illegal wave of jewish immigrants. The arabs never got independence of Palestine, and the jews poured in and fought and killed and massacred arabs, and stole their land. This was in the early 1900's... so that my friend is why there was no peace. How would you like it if I came to your house armed to the teeth and made you live only in the bathroom and I had the rest of the house to myself and justified it by saying that the Bible said my ancestors had this land 2000 yrs ago and you legally have rights to your land and property? Huh? How about them apples????
It's a bit more complicated than that but essentially you're right:
"Chosen people my ass..."
General Smedley Butler: Israel is a racket!
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How would you propose to de-countrify Israel, when most Israelies do not want to be de-countrified?
By using force?
It had been tried many times by various mass-murderer dictators.
"It had been tried many times by various mass-murderer dictators."
True. David Ben-Gurion comes to mind.
Have you tried opening a book lately? Say, for example, the one entitled "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe?
Perhaps we should consider why the denial of the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is tolerated while Holocaust deniers are swiftly rebuked (as they should be). But, why the double standard?
Letto, are you a Naqba Denier?
I think we know the answer to that question.
I advocate peace; you advocate a war of Genocide. (I want a peaceful solution between Israelis and Palestinians, and you want to de-countrify Israel by war and force.)
I tell the truth, you tell things which are not truth. (You claim that I answer to the Israeli government, and that’s a falsity)
Tell us what that "peaceful solution" looks like in your opinion.
The Israeli government continues to claim it wants peace, but then it keeps building more colonies on Palestinian land, demolishing Palestinian homes willy-nilly and expelling Palestinians from East Jerusalem.
You never answer that simple question: WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER "PEACE"? DESCRIBE IT!
It's a simple question.