Pro-War Officials Play Up Taliban-al Qaeda Ties
WASHINGTON - U.S. national security officials, concerned that President Barack Obama might be abandoning the strategy of full-fledged counterinsurgency war in Afghanistan, are claiming new intelligence assessments suggesting that al Qaeda would be allowed to return to Afghanistan in the event of a Taliban victory.
But two former senior intelligence analysts who have long followed the issue of al Qaeda's involvement in Afghanistan question the alleged new intelligence assessments. They say that the Taliban leadership still blames Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda for their loss of power after 9/11 and that the Taliban-al Qaeda cooperation is much narrower today than it was during the period of Taliban rule.
The nature of the relationship between al Qaeda and the Taliban has been a central issue in the White House discussions on Afghanistan strategy that began last month, according to both White House spokesman Robert Gibbs and National Security Adviser Gen. James Jones.
One of the arguments for an alternative to the present counterinsurgency strategy by officials, including aides to Ambassador Richard Holbrooke, is that the Taliban wouldn't allow al Qaeda to reestablish bases inside Afghanistan, The Wall Street Journal reported Oct. 5. The reasoning behind the argument, according to the report, is that the Taliban realises that its previous alliance with al Qaeda had caused it to lose power after the Sep. 11 attacks.
Officials in national security organs that are committed to the counterinsurgency strategy have now pushed back against the officials who they see as undermining the war policy.
McClatchy newspapers reported Sunday that officials have cited what they call "recent U.S. intelligence assessments" that the Taliban and other Afghan insurgent groups have "much closer ties to al Qaida now than they did before 9/11" and would allow al Qaeda to re-establish bases in Afghanistan if they were to prevail.
McClatchy reporters said 15 mid-level or senior intelligence, military and diplomatic officials they interviewed had agreed with the alleged intelligence assessments.
But John McCreary, formerly a senior analyst at the Defence Intelligence Agency, wrote last week on NightWatch, an online news analysis service, that the history of Taliban-al Qaeda relations suggests a very different conclusion. After being ousted from power in 2001, he wrote, the Taliban "openly derided the Arabs of al Qaida and blamed them for the Taliban's misfortunes".
The Taliban leaders "vowed never to allow the foreigners - especially the haughty, insensitive Arabs - back into Afghanistan," wrote McCreary. "In December 2001, [Mullah Mohammad] Omar was ridiculed in public by his own commanders for inviting the 'Arabs' and other foreigners, which led to their flight to Pakistan."
McCreary concluded, "The premise that Afghanistan would become an al Qaida safe haven under any future government is alarmist and bespeaks a lack of understanding of the Pashtuns on this issue and a superficial knowledge of recent Afghan history."
The Central Intelligence Agency's former national intelligence officer for the Middle East, Paul Pillar, expressed doubt that the Taliban's relations with al Qaeda are tighter now than before the Taliban regime was ousted.
"I don't see how you can say that," Pillar told IPS. "If you look at the pre-9/11 relationship between the Taliban and al Qaeda, in many ways it was far more extensive."
In the civil war between the Taliban regime and its Northern Alliance foes from 1996 through 2001, Pillar observed, "bin Laden's Arabs and money" represented a far bigger role in supporting the Taliban than the one al Qaeda is playing now.
"You can say that there are more groups which have relationships with al Qaeda now, but I don't see any as close as that which existed before 9/11," said Pillar.
The role played by Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda in the Taliban's struggle against its rival the Northern Alliance from 1996 to 2001 has been documented by journalist Roy Gutman, now foreign editor of McClatchy newspapers, and other sources.
As early as 1997, 300 Arab troops trained by bin Laden troops were fighting alongside the Taliban on the front line north of Kabul, according to Gutman's book, "How We Missed the Story", published in 2008. Later, they were reported to have taken over large sections of that front line.
Bin Laden's military and financial support became an even more important crutch for the Taliban regime in its final years in power. Gutman says the Taliban's mid-summer 1998 offensive in northern Pakistan was largely financed by bin Laden.
In the last stage of the conflict, Gutman writes, al Qaeda troops consisted of 1,500 to 2,500 Arabs and Central Asian "Frontline fighters", and Ahmed Shah Massoud, the commander of the Northern Alliance forces seeking to overthrow the Taliban, regarded them as his toughest and most committed opponents.
Gutman quotes Massoud telling CIA operative Gary Schroen, "Every time I fight the Taliban, the glue that holds them together is the Arab units."
Osama bin Laden also financed Taliban military equipment and operations, according to Gutman's account. A summer 1998 Taliban offensive was fought with hundreds of new Japanese pickup trucks - Massoud claimed a total of 1,200 vehicles - bought with bin Laden's money.
Today, however, al Qaeda is cash-strapped and has very few foreign fighters in Afghanistan, whereas the Taliban appear to be well-financed.
The U.S. Treasury Department's expert on terrorist financing, David Cohen, said al Qaeda is "in its weakest financial position in several years" and "its influence is waning", the BBC reported Tuesday.
Gen. Jones told CNN interviewer John King Oct. 4 the presence of al Qaeda in Afghanistan today is "minimal", adding the "maximum estimate" is 100 foreign fighters. One official critical of the White House position quoted in the McClatchy story suggested the number might be as high as 200 or 250.
Both figures appears to be consistent with the estimate by Western officials of a total of only 100 to 300 foreign fighters in Afghanistan cited in the New York Times Oct. 30, 2007.
Of that total, however, only "small numbers" were Arabs and Chechens, Uzbeks or other Central Asians, who are known to have links with al Qaeda, Seth Jones of the Rand Corporation told Voice of America the following month.
The bulk of the foreign fighters in Afghanistan are Pashtuns from across the border in Pakistan. Those Pashtun fighters are recruited from religious schools in Pakistan, but there is no evidence that they are affiliated with al Qaeda.
Just this month, U.S. intelligence has increased its estimate of Taliban armed insurgents to 17,000, compared with 10,000 in late 2007. Even if all foreign fighters were considered as al Qaeda, therefore, 250 of them would represent only 1.5 percent of the estimated total.
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Show AllIf the MIC did not have enemies to use as scapegoats for their nefarious deeds of lies, deceit and greed they would have to invent them---and that is exactly what they do!
The Bush regime, starting from Bush Senior has had the upper hand in the political system, and as long as he,-SR. has the leaders,-[rather republican or democrat] as well as Gates, and the generals], under his, thumb the wars will go on until the Middle East is nothing but land, so the oil pipe line will go though. Bush/ Chaney, expects it to go from Alaska, Russia and on, and the reason Russia is getting nervous.
And again I post that this madness is empowered by the DAFT law (Public Law 107-40), which allows the President to wage war against enemies to be named later.
Bush named al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Therefore, they are the groups (however illusory or contrived) that the US military is seeking and fighting in order to prevent future terrorism.
This is the justification used for the aggression that others then use to control pipelines and drug trades, etc.
No progress will be made toward peace until this law, this engine that drives the madness, is brought into the light of day.
The Brits have announced a tiny surge into Afghanistan - the next American surge will come soon. Progressive strategy is still failing.
When will Progressives choose a strategy that will work, and cease their 8 years of failure to end this madness?
It is amazing if not downright scary that the war in Iraq has all but disappeared from progressive websites such as this. This laxity allows President Obama and the Generals in Iraq to get away with "murder". Quite recently Brig. General Steve Lanza told reporters in Baghdad that "we need to be flexible on drawdown from Iraq". Gen. Lanza clearly made policy statements for the future of the war in Iraq. It is my opinion that policy statements must be made by the commander-in-chief Obama and not by one of his underlings. If the policy statements by Gen. Lanza were supported by President Obama he should at least have said so. He did not.
I am quite sure that Generals would not have gotten away with this during the administrations of Roosevelt, Truman, or Eisenhower. The fact that the military has become the "spokesperson" for war policies is a bad development. Is President Obama too timid to call them back or is he simply hiding the bad news behind the broad shoulder of Generals? I think that the second is true.
There is no doubt in my mind that certain right wing powers in this country lean on religious right wing militant freaks to do all the dirty work at the public level.
These freaks have infiltrated our churches,military,law enforcement and first responders.War on all sinners is their mantra, here at home and the middle east.They will lie,slander, spit on the constitution, torture, anything they can get away with thanks to papa Bush.Cause God told them too in a dream.
I am so sick of these backward thinking religious freaks here and abroad dictating their version of life and justice.
All these groups were given secret mandates to spy and control dissidents in there county's using warrant less surveillance and vigilante gang stalking torture as a tool of fear.
The FBI and the Department of Justice are well aware of these unconstitutional and war crimes activities, hell they run the show.
This was all Bush/Cheney stazi police state take over.
Obama was not supposed to be elected, McCain was. That was the plan , so the right wing could continue its take over.
Now , we are going to having a massive shift to a left wing take over, thats why all these right wing freaks are upset, their plans have been foiled and reversed.
Lifes a bitch, and so is Karma.
Borfreemen
Right wing vigilante gang stalking torture victim for 2.9 years and counting.
Bradenton Florida , dont move here or visit , this place does not deserve your tourists dollars.
This place is the christian lunatics home of hell
They will say ANYTHING to keep war and war spending and their careers going. They lie straight faced while people die and die. The news media will put their coiffed heads together and chuckle about nothing. They have no time to check the facts. The stories are spun and spun, repeated and repeated ... the cash will be disbursed and disbursed. Families here and in Afghanistan will have to cry and cry over the death and injuries.
As an antidote to this particular lie, I suggest the book "The Places in Between" by Rory Stewart.
Joe
Only the media has linked al quaeda(terrorist.org) with taliaban(students).
If you're dumb enough to believe it than you're dumb enough to go fight for it.... go sign up and, hopefully die.
The biggest product of north america is bullshit, and we're believing the bs we preach.
Maybe the Potash Corp of Sasketchewan is a better fertilizer investment, and indeed investment, than anything from the US.
At least up there, the fertilizer is in the ground, not on everyone's lips and minds.
I believe that it would be more accurate to say that the Taliban are students of the Quran and religious studies only. For the most part they are poor, male, uneducated and illiterate peasant farmers and villagers.
Joe
I think I have heard this tune before. Saddam and WMD's or Gulf of Tonkin or ...
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Taliban and a dozen other Pakistani and Afghan groups are united in a Guerrilla Jihad against all Western Occupiers, and the Zionists/Israelis.
They are about to deal deadly ambushes on American Troops and destabilize the current Pakistani regime.
Every one should go to Google and punch in the following.
"Afghanistan proposed pipe line".
Time for the truth to come out. How come no newspaper or
anyone in Congress dares to address the issue. I suppose that
if anyone mentioned the Pipeline they would be labeled
Anti-Democratic.
Liars, liars, pants on fire.
In 2001, the Taliban were seriously injured by the US for "harboring" AQ.
The Taliban garnered nothing by hosting AQ, other than what their faith gives them. Should the US leave Afghanistan, it is HIGHLY unlikely that the Taliban would risk further US intervention by again playing host to AQ.
This logic appears irrefutable. So what are the war hawks smoking?
It's not what they smoke. It is what they are putting in their pockets.
'Bought and Paid For' has to stay paid for or be outed and called a doo-doo head by all the other preppie B&PF's.
The lies are endless.
Hitler lied.
Reagan lied.
Bush lied.
Obama lies.
And Osama lies in his grave.
The Afghan people would love to have good jobs, houses and children going to college. General McCrystal (fantastic name for a heroin-based war!) is going to deliver this for all thirty million Afghans.
Not!
Almost all of the Afghan people realize that modern non-Islamic western capitalism is the cause of their country's 2 million heroin addicts. War is the cause of their rising cancer rate and of course their high shrapnel problem. For the non-Americans, western capitalism means mass starvation in the countryside and in the city slums. Western capitalism means that their government is bought and sold, and their local money-grubbing warlord would slit their throats for improved heroin production.
The one God did not ordain any of this, nor did Jesus (named Isa in the Koran), nor any of the prophets before Jesus, nor Muhammad. Up with God, and down with capitalism as practiced onto starving foreigners by America. Lazarus begged at the rich man's gate . . .
God?
Mindless devotion to fictitious deity is what got us into this mess! "Faith-Based-Initiatives" (that money we so trustingly toss into the offering plate each sunday) is what supplied the whole region with firepower in the first place. We should be advocating a return to science and the age of reason and education if we want this to stop. Religion is a tool for Christian Soldiers to kill with impunity. Religion is a tool for Politicians and the War Lords they've allied with, to start holy wars.
General McCrystal, if I recall correctly, is a fundamentalist Christian as is Eric Prince of Blackwater. Once you have faith and a army at your disposal, laws and morals go right out the window. The Pentagon and the banks do NOT want this war to ever end. They would both be out of jobs big time.
What they need right now is a believable boogieman to justify the 60,000 troops they've already ordered!
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
Next thing we know, the old WMD argument will get dusted off.
Oil, Pipelines & Heroin forever!!!!!
But I could be wrong !
Let's play up US - heroin merchant ties.
The U.S. has a history in the area. How about George Bush - Osama Bin Laden ties? How about Rumsfeld - Saddam Hussein ties?
Did the Republicans covertly give the Bomb secrets to the Pakistanis?