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Top Troop Request Exceeds 60,000
Commander Prefers 40,000 for Afghanistan, but His Report Gives Obama 3 Options
WASHINGTON -- The request for troops sent to President Barack Obama by the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan includes three different options, with the largest alternative including a request for more than 60,000 troops, according to a U.S. official familiar with the document.
A chart showing ISAF troop levels in Afghanistan. President Barack Obama has moved closer to a crucial decision on the US-led war in Afghanistan after receiving a request from his commander to send in more troops.
(AFP/Graphic) Although the top option is more than the 40,000 soldiers previously
understood to be the top troop total sought by Gen. Stanley McChrystal,
the top U.S. officer in Kabul, 40,000 remains the primary choice of
senior military brass, including Gen. McChrystal, the official said.
The details of the three scenarios were first reported by ABC News and confirmed by the U.S. official. The third option presented to Mr. Obama would be only a small increase that would keep U.S. forces largely at their year-end levels of 68,000 troops.
The troop request is expected to be deliberated today at Mr. Obama's fifth cabinet-level meeting of his war council amid indications of growing official unease about such a significant escalation.
Although most requests for forces include only a single troop figure, Pentagon officials have acknowledged that Gen. McChrystal's request was unusual given the continuing review of Afghan strategy. It is rather common in military planning, however, to discuss three different scenarios in order to illustrate why the middle option is preferable option.
Gen. McChrystal has warned that the U.S. faces possible "mission failure" in Afghanistan unless it quickly sends large numbers of forces there. But the Obama administration faces growing hurdles even if it decides to go with a buildup of tens of thousands of troops.
Senior Army officers acknowledged in interviews, for instance, that the U.S. doesn't have nearly enough helicopters in Afghanistan to meet the current demand for safe movement of troops around the country. And U.S. forces are just beginning to receive new vehicles meant to function better on Afghanistan's poor roads.
Separately, a recent study by the Institute for the Study of War -- a Washington, D.C., think tank headed by Kimberly Kagan, a military analyst who worked on Gen. McChrystal's assessment team -- suggested it would be difficult to move enough troops from other posts to deploy anywhere close to 40,000 troops before next summer at the earliest.
The military agrees with the institute's overall findings, although has identified different units it could deploy over the course of the next year.
White House officials acknowledged that Mr. Obama's review is centering on ensuring the war is focused on preventing al Qaeda's return to Afghanistan -- a narrower objective that could require fewer, if any, new American troops. The officials acknowledged that the administration's strategic review no longer sees the U.S.'s primary mission in Afghanistan as completely defeating the Taliban or preventing the armed Islamist group from any involvement in the country's future.
Despite the narrowed focus, several White House officials said the administration's broad review is ongoing and that the president hasn't made any decisions. They said Mr. Obama wants to decide on what military strategy to pursue before approving or rejecting Gen. McChrystal's request.
Still, focusing the U.S. mission in Afghanistan solely on destroying al Qaeda could make it easier for Mr. Obama to make a public case for giving Gen. McChrystal the lowest end of his three options, which would amount to only a small increase.
Political support for the war has been rapidly eroding among the public and on Capitol Hill, even as Gen. McChrystal and the nation's top military personnel argue for a counterinsurgency strategy designed to protect Afghan civilians.
At the center of the ongoing deliberations, according to officials involved in and briefed on the White House sessions, is an emerging belief that a broad effort to defeat the Taliban and shore up Afghanistan's weak central government may not be necessary to counter the threat posed by al Qaeda.
White House officials familiar with deliberations said that while some elements of the Taliban were inclined to harbor al Qaeda, which operated freely in Afghanistan through 2001, other members were focused on Afghanistan's internal politics and much less likely to support the international terror group.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters Thursday that al Qaeda has focused on hitting the U.S., while danger posed by the Taliban "was somewhat different" and less threatening.
The argument that a return of some Taliban elements would not directly threaten U.S. security has been pushed by allies of Vice President Joe Biden, who has argued against a major increase in force levels. The distinction Mr. Biden draws is shared by Barnett Rubin, a top aide to the administration's special representative to the region, Richard Holbrooke.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates, arguably the central player in the deliberations, is one of the officials who appears to most strongly disagree with that assessment. Earlier this week, the defense chief said that a Taliban takeover of wide swaths of Afghanistan would allow al Qaeda to "strengthen itself" by creating new havens for the terrorist group.
But participants in the current review said that neither Mr. Gates, who picked Gen. McChrystal for his job, nor Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have yet made clear what strategy they favor in Afghanistan or what forces should be sent there.
The Institute for the Study of War report detailed how the White House must grapple with the fact that the stretched U.S. military has only limited troops ready for deployment, which could mean that many forces might not reach the war zone until the summer of 2010.
The study concluded that the U.S. has only three Army and Marine brigades -- about 11,000 to 15,000 troops -- capable of deploying to Afghanistan this year. An additional four brigades, or potentially as many 20,000 troops, could deploy by the summer of 2010, the think tank concluded.
Lt. Col. Lee Packnett, an Army spokesman, said that the Army wanted to only send units to Afghanistan that have had at least 12 months back in the U.S. between overseas deployments.
But Anthony Cordesman, a military expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said that Mr. Obama could force the military's hand if he decides winning the war requires a quick infusion of large numbers of reinforcements. "In the real world you do what you need to do," he said. "You don't tailor the war to maintain peacetime readiness. You maintain peacetime assets precisely so you can consume them in war."
Lack of helicopters and other equipment problems could present a more intractable problem for a bigger force trying to reach Afghanistan's key battle zones. The country is mountainous and lacks reliable roads, so most troops and supplies are ferried to their bases aboard helicopters rather than on trucks or other ground vehicles.
Last summer, the Army deployed a second combat aviation brigade to Afghanistan, doubling the number of Army helicopters there from 114 to about 228. But with U.S. troop levels almost doubling in 2009, senior Army officers acknowledge that the U.S. still doesn't have nearly enough. "Simply put, we just don't have enough birds," one officer said in an interview this week. "The Taliban have made more and more of the roads inaccessible to us, so the need for helicopters keeps growing."
The military has also found that the signature vehicle of the Iraq war -- the giant armored trucks known as the "mine resistant, ambush protected" vehicles, or MRAPs -- don't function well on Afghanistan's poor roads. The Pentagon is in the process of purchasing hundreds of second-generation armored vehicles that are specially designed to function off-road or on dirt or gravel paths, but the first of the new vehicles only began arriving in Afghanistan in recent days.
-Jonathan Weisman contributed to this article.- Posted in

38 Comments so far
Show AllNobel Peace or ignoble war? OR SINGLE TERM!
So let's see, 60,000 more troops on top of the 68,000 that are already there, plus god knows how many private contractors. All to catch 100 ragged Al Qaeda fugitives. Either they are the most ferocious soldiers who ever lived, or this is going to be one of the most profitable business ventures ever for the military-industrial complex. You decide which one's the real goal.
Yeah and who is going to pay for all of this? The US is bankrupt! It is time to put away the weapons of war and stop feeding the armaments companies with your grandchildren's earnings.
This kind of studpidity is not what is expected of a Nobel Peace Prize winner.
Such a sham.
Thieves usually charge the next victim, no?
We've heard all the reasons for staying and escalating in Afghanistan but one: the oil pipeline! Am I crazy, or isn't that why big oil and the MIC really want to stay there. The more troops the more death the more reason for wanting to stay to avenge the death. They really count on the stupidity of the American people to keep playing this insane game.
Those drones are really peace drones, don't you know? Why stop at 60,000 troops you don't have, or more armored vehicles that don't work well there? Stay the course!
This irresponsible insanity never ceases to amaze me.
Too late. Obama already won the Nobel Peace Prize. Ooops ! LMAO !
Dark humor, Carla!
Actually, when I read this article yesterday, my mind was still reeling from the news about Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize. But the more I think about it, the sadder I feel that he will do it. :(
The repug Generals just can't get enough of anything that puts this Nation farther in the hole. This week sixty-thousand troops, next week sixty-billion dollars. The sad part is that the dumb ass congress will make sure they get it. Ignore the repugs and put some intelligent people in their places.
George C. Brown - Get us out of there! The longer we stay and the more troops we end into Afghanistan, the more the Taliban will get the support of the Afghans. Besides, if we would concentrate our efforts on dvelopment of "Green" energy instead of fossil fuels, we wouldn't need the oil from the former Soviet satellites like Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan or Tajikistan (or have to help the oil giants build their pipeline - - and just think of the fun the Taliban would have if that pipeline got built and they could punch all kinds of holes in it!).
Additionally, besides letting the Afghans run their own country, the nations that should be concerned with any problems over there are China, India, Pakistan, Iran. We do not have to be the world's "policeman". Let's take care of our own problems - - there are a batch of them that the Cheney/Bush regime left us in their war mentality and subservience to the Military/Industrial Complex. We do not have to rely on a war economy (or war-obsessed mentality) to get back to the kind of glorious existence most of our people have had and deserve to have.
"Additionally, besides letting the Afghans run their own country, the nations that should be concerned with any problems over there are China, India, Pakistan, Iran. We do not have to be the world's "policeman". Let's take care of our own problems -"
Yup. I agree. Lets not give a rats ass about the fact that we have been meddling in their affairs for the last 60 years. We tried so hard to help all these years and this is what we get in return. Ingrates. Screw them.
I agree. We can sit back and watch the Asian war that would start in a few years.
George C. Brown - Get us out of there! The longer we stay and the more troops we end into Afghanistan, the more the Taliban will get the support of the Afghans. Besides, if we would concentrate our efforts on dvelopment of "Green" energy instead of fossil fuels, we wouldn't need the oil from the former Soviet satellites like Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan or Tajikistan (or have to help the oil giants build their pipeline - - and just think of the fun the Taliban would have if that pipeline got built and they could punch all kinds of holes in it!).
Additionally, besides letting the Afghans run their own country, the nations that should be concerned with any problems over there are China, India, Pakistan, Iran. We do not have to be the world's "policeman". Let's take care of our own problems - - there are a batch of them that the Cheney/Bush regime left us in their war mentality and subservience to the Military/Industrial Complex. We do not have to rely on a war economy (or war-obsessed mentality) to get back to the kind of glorious existence most of our people have had and deserve to have.
Flash Backward. It must be 1964 again.
Flash Backward. It must be 1964 again.
To paraphrase Ronnie: There you go again MIC!
Fire General McChrystal, Adm. Mullen and all of these Hawkish Generals......ASAP.
President Obama needs new military Commanders, who aren't repeating the mistakes of Viet Nam.
This is the "Graveyard of Empires".....we must stop being sucked deeper into the Afghan Trap.
New Generals, redeployment, and attack with Plan B.!!!!!!
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. . . even as Gen. McChrystal and the nation's top military personnel argue for a counterinsurgency strategy designed to protect Afghan civilians.
The strategy is simply to keep the war going, no matter how it turns out. Lieutenants want to be captains; captains want to be majors; majors want to be colonels; colonels want to be generals and generals want to have 5 stars and become Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs. The hustlers must maintain the hustle.
Mordechai Shiblikov :
The hustlers must maintain the hustle.
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and it follows:
"HERE LIES A MAN THAT TRIED TO HUSTLE the EAST".....
Rudyard Kipling "poet of empire".
This madness has been going on for over 8 years, and still nobody is willing to discuss the DAFT law (aka Public Law 107-40, aka 2001 AUMF), the flaw of a law, the engine that drives this insanity.
This US military effort to prevent future terrorism (the DAFT war, aka GWOT, WOT and The Long War) will continue because nobody is going to the root of the problem.
As I have repeatedly repeated:
Every country deals with future terrorism but only America declared war upon it.
No amount of surging, no change of generals, no change in tactics, will accomplish the impossible.
These are intelligent reflections upon this insanity, and these CD posts are appreciated for the sake of our sanity.
Nobel Peace laureate MLK also called it "madness" and addressed it in his Declaration of Independence from the War in Vietnam in 1967, "Somehow this madness must cease." He delared this "as a child of God and brother to the suffering poor in Vietnam and the poor in America," "as a citizen of the world," and "as an American to the leaders of my own nation": "The great initiative in this war is ours. The initiative to stop must be ours."
Speaking in the Peoples House on May 14, US Rep. Dennis Kucinich decried more funding of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, "Don't tell the American people that the way out of Afghanistan is to escalate our presence... Get out of Iraq. Get out of Afghanistan. Come home America." http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=126740
"Top Troop Request Exceeds 60,000"
Let us not forget that the military is controlled and directed by our civilian leaders, and a majority of Americans have said they want our empire building to end!!
Bush was lead by the military but Obama is a helluva a lot smarter than the Texan 'War President".
AFTER 60,000 ....
NEXT Afghan Troop Request: 100,000
NEXT afghan Troop Request: 150,000
NEXT Afghan Troop Request: 200,000
NEXT afghan Troop Request: 300,000
and that's JUST Afghan Troop Request....
wait 'til ya get to PAKISTAN Troop Request....
"start WITH 400,000" (not including Afghanistan)
and that's JUST PAKISTAN
wait 'til ya get to IRAN Troop Request...Start with 1,000,000
and that doesn't INCLUDE Afghanistan/Pakistan
wait 'til ya get to Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, etc...
wait 'til ya get to CHINA and RUSSIA "troop request".....
how's about 10,000,000 altogether eh?
MOVE LOSER americans to ASIA! "and MAKE them EARN their rights and freedom and liberty!!!what do they think...they just gotta SIT and WAIT for their RETIREMENT and Social Security...and get FREE HEALTH CARE? make 'em EARN it , damnit...this here american project is TOO BIG TO FAIL!!!!!!!"
"Bush was lead by the military but Obama is a helluva a lot smarter than the Texan 'War President".
What in the world are you basing that on?
Probably 0's greater tendency to syntactic statement - not always a reliable indicator, though.
For murder, mayhem, and imperialistic empire, the money is readily appropriated, but for single payer (universal health care), or medicare for all, it's too expensive.
Or for public schools, and taking care of our children and senior citizens. for that matter.
Did anybody see Bill Moyers tonight? He had on Dem. Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur of Ohio and Simon Johnson, formally of the IMF on.
Kaptur spelled it out like she did in Michael Moore's film, "Capitalism, A Love Story."
It just substantiates the famous quote of 1826 about controlling the money supply of a country.
Most people around the world resent being invaded and occupied by other countries and will "resist" by any means possible, especially guerilla warfare. We call them "terrorists" or "insurgents" but they are resistance fighters, defending their country.
Nobel Peace Prize? For false pronouncement's?
And "private contractors" is Orwellian for mercenaries. The old national crime syndicate had private "contractors" that the FBI called Murder, Inc."
The Nazi Party had private contractors, the SS, and the Wafen SS (military units) fighting along side the Regular German Army but were not part of it.
The military-industrial-christian complex is making tons of money, and the political prostitutes in Congress are enjoying the payola from the corporate lobbyists.
And for want of a steady paycheck with fringe benefits, members of the armed forces rationalize their raison d' etre in what they are doing around the globe.
It's just a matter of time.......
General McChrystal: After due consideration, we are going to honor your request to move 60,000 troops... OUT OF AFGHANISTAN.
Even better thinking!
Afghanistan produces zero bomb making material, has primitive communications and is far away.
If there is an Qaeda what better place for it?
Good thinking!
President Obama should not fight Mountainous Guerrillas in the conventional way....as in Viet Nam, Korea, WWII, or WWI; etc.
The U.S. Military should withdraw-out of this Afghan Trap; NEW GENERALS are needed, who refuse to play by the Guerrillas' rules.
A new radical and brutal war plan is needed ,,,,PLAN B.
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Jam4 --- You have nothing to fear but fear itself.
So...Why are we in Afghanistan?
To eliminate Al Queda? I seem to remember that Al Queda was a worldwide organisation which operated through independent cells in different locations and countries.
Eliminating Al Queda in Afghanistan and Pakistan moves the leadership to new locations. Eight years ago we were very concerned about Indonesia and southern Phillipines. Where has that Al Queda gone? What about Al Queda in East Africa where two US Embassies were blown up? What about Al Queda in Yemen - the SS Cole and rebels being blown off the Empty Quarter of Yemen?
Wake up - Is Al Queda a threat? Check out Pepe Escovar's 50 questions about 9/11; any of which would sink the US Gvt. (Asia Times columnist).
And who is the Taliban - disgruntled students from the Madressas of Northern Pakistan? or the Afghan version of the Chamber of Commerce - promoting the opium trade with the CIA and moving guns throughout south Asia?
Human rights never existed in Afghanistan. Code Pink should get out to the countryside to meet real Afghan women.
We assume a western stlye nation is the only solution to the Afghan problem. Maybe a 15th century coalition of warlords is better? When viewed through a western lens, all seems so dark and dirty.
We may be there to finance the CIA through illegal opium. It is possible to legalize Afghan opium and sell it to Africa and the analgesic starved third world. It worked in Turkey; why not in Afghanistan? Oh...it would eliminate CIA profits..
Pipelines - As the US encourages Europe to Boycott Russian gas and oil - worries about pipelines across Central Asia and the Caucasis increase. How viable is Georgia, Ukraine and other Ex-Soviet sattelites.
Why not a pipeline across Afghanistan. 60,000 more troops may stabilize the route.
Keep political pressure on Iran and the IPI pipeline and its extension to China will never exist. (South Pars field in Iran through Guadar in Baluchistan to Pakistan and India with a northern extension through tribal Pakistan)
We cannot afford to lose control of oil and gas in this region to the South Asians and Chinese. Start and maintain wars which will keep other countries from competing with us.
Far too many questions - the chief one remaining - Why are we in Afghanistan? Who is fooling who?
They are getting a new toy,an MRAP!Have to pay for that and more choppers get rid of the old stuff by selling it to whoever and so what if we are selling stuff to both sides in any conflict around the globe?We make and sell more weapons materials than anyone in the world and our taxes and loans from China cant buy them all!What a cesspool and the fascist gov. is right up to their eyeball in it.Tony
When Iraq switched from the dollar to the EURO to sell Iraqs oil the USA purchased almost 2/3rds of all Iraqi Oil exports.
In order to do so they had to buy EUROS. The Us Government can not print Euros as they can the dollar.
The US has to ensure that its military controls the regions Energy supplies so as to ensure they can DICTATE to the Governments of those regions that Oil and Gas be sold in dollars.
Iran just shifted to the Euro and the rhetoric for war on Iran goes up.
Saudi Arabia is seen as Compliant, its Governmnet in the Pocket of the USA so even though 15/19 of the Hijackers allegedly came from that Country, they were never threatened with attack.
The construction of the Oil Pipelines from the Caspian is NOT as much to ensure US access to that energy OR profits for the US Corporations. After all it would be cheaper just to buy the energy on the world market.
It is to ensure that the US maintains CONTROL of the resource so as to ensure Countries continue to sell that resource in dollars.
If as example a Piepline ran from Turkmemistan and through Afghanistan to sell oil/energy to the west via a pipeline in Afghanistan and the Governmnet of Turkmenistan decided to sell in Euros, the US could simply BLOCK exports through that pipeline.
If the same Pipeline ran through Russia instead Turkmenistan could change over to the Euro at will.
"DOLLAR HEGEMONY is US IMPERIALISM...
"DOLLAR HEGEMONY, unearned and unjustified, is NOT backed up by gold, nor American Productivity, nor american export ability, nor american assets....
BUT is backed up only by American Military Power, which itself is backed up by the economies subjugated under the Dollar Hegemony, which in turn is used to make them subjects to the USA imperialism"........
HENRY CK LIU...Asiatimesonline ...on "Dollar Hegemony" and the US empire.
"All that we have to do is to send two Mujahideen to the furthest point East to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies.
"This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the Mujahideen, bled Russia for ten years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.
"All Praise is due to Allah.
"So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah."
Osama bin Ladin
Al Jazeera, English Edition.
November 11, 2004
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Not overwhelmingly subtle, is it?