This strategy could also be used to maintain supplies of other essentials such as minerals, water and fertile land, he added. "Unless we get to grips with this problem globally, we potentially are going to lead ourselves into a situation where large, powerful nations will secure the resources for their own people at the expense of others."

Really? And he thinks this ia a new phenomenon? I hate to break it to David King but nations (the UK is an excellent historical example, as is the US more recently) have been doing this for a long time. Hopefully, as oil resources dwindle, there will not be the enough energy for large scale resource wars. A good thorough economic collapse would help too.

Well Said... The only thing I didn't understand was the link between Israel and Southeast Asia ...
Could you explain?
Thanks

"hootowl February 12th, 2009 10:03 pm

I would say 75% oil 25% Israel to try to pretend the Zionist monsters behind the Project for a New American Century having zero to do with the war in Iraq as in this statement: "As for Israel being behind the war on Iraq, BUNK!" is either dangerously naive or willfully deceptive. I suggest you read these articles to get up to speed on PNAC and then get back to me m'K?"

NO NEED to read those articles; I know very well what you are talking about and have read such articles before. I have been reading for several years on all of this and from people who write on or propose both views, some arguing, while not thoroughly, that Israel is behind the war due to the Zionists in the PNAC agenda, planning, and occasionally due to the way Israeli leadership figures speak to the world; and then the other writers who say like I do and which is that while the Zionists are definitely involved, a fact [most] people are aware of and have been long enough aware of already, well, we say that the U.S. GWoT wars are [not] [for] Israel. We, and I know to be able to say 'we', having read enough to be able to discern this, well, we say or argue that Israel has been turned into the 4th or 5th most powerful military force on Earth for ... not the sake of Israel, but for the sake of of the "lords" of the U.S. "racket wars", the real elites who rule the U.S. govt from behind closed doors and who are in the whole "game" for profit and "full spectrum dominance", which is to say global dominance, with economics and power-mongering for [the] bases. That objective is [not] for the sake of Israel. Israel hasn't been made what it is, militarily and politically, for the sake of Israel; we argue, while doing so in our own, individual words, but while essentially saying the same thing.

Zionists being involved is obvious, it's a known fact for anyone who's been seriously reading, but it does [not] say [why], why they're involved, or what their real [purpose] is. Some of them may be mostly interested in "benefiting" the Israeli leadership and certainly no true Jews, but these people among the orchestrators of these GWoT wars are [not] the real rulers of the U.S. govt and its military, war machine.

The complex is large, and Zionists pley a role that profits the real ruling elites of the U.S. govt. AIPAC serves as smokescreen more than anything else, but to be an effective smokescreen it also must be granted the ability to appear really powerful. The smokescreen serves to obscure the picture of what's really going on. Similarly, the so-called U.S. war on drugs is bs; it's really a war that's a protection racket, protecting the racket so that it profits powerful drug traffickers so that they, in turn, work with the or for the ultimate project(s) of the real ruling elites of the U.S. govt and for whom the CIA has been long working for, covertly. Etcetera.

"Games People Play" is a book by a good author, if not co-authors, and it's about more simple, less complex gaming that we're referring to, but the understanding still carries over to what we're talking about. It's all for RACKET! And in these major rackets there are many participants, but relatively few rulers; and they may in part be Zionist, but they're not all Zionist, and the Zionists among them don't really give two hoots about the population of Israel except that they're needed, strategically, for profit and power-mongering. The Peoples are treated as if we're all instrumental, instead of full-fledged human beings with rights equal to the ruling elites in this world here on Earth. Gaming is definitely part of the [racket].

Europe also doesn't back the U.S. with respect to Israel for the sake of Israel. Europe does this for the sake of ... economics; it's more profitable, they evidently believe, to remain allied with the U.S., while profiting European corporations, so the rich of Europe. If the U.S. reversed its position with respect to Israel, then Europe would follow suit! Count on it!

A militarily powerful Israel is a major military tool for the U.S., and its ruling elites, in southeastern Asia; and to have this requires an extremely criminal, corrupt, gangster, ... govt in Israel; as well as the same for the Israeli military.

The ruling elites of the U.S. govt, the real, top-most ones, want full spectrum dominance and know that the U.S. can't achieved this alone; and they'll go to all extents, use all means available and which they can make available, to achieve their real objective(s). Those are not for the sake of Israel, which is an instrument; the 4th or 5th most powerful military force on Earth thanks mostly to the U.S and its ruling elites, as well as European govts. Israeli is the superpower of southeastern Asia and for strategic reasons pertinent to the BIG racket that's going on.

"GwNorth February 12th, 2009 7:48 pm

Kosovo was a resource war as well."

NOT only 'was'; it still is and the end of when it'll be this isn't within sight yet.

The video with Pepe Escobar that I linked to in my second post in this page refers to the U.S. "full spectrum dominance" certainly being about or minimally and importantly including war for control over Eurasia, the profitable natural resources there, the oil and natural gas reserves, as well as mining, like gold, f.e. Eurasia also involves the Balkans and Kosovo, Yugoslavia, and the U.S. didn't establish the major Camp Bondsteel there for fun. The U.S. also didn't install the extremely criminal KLA in or for the govt there only for fun, either. The Kosovo area contains oil and/or natural gas reserves, but these aren't the only reason for the resource war on Kosovo and the maintenance of what's come of this war; the criminally imposed separation of Kosovo.

The U.S. and NATO aren't in Africa for fun or humanitarian reasons, either; it's [always] for racket and the big game is natural resources or reserves that are lucrative.

It's "full spectrum dominance", which in turn relates to NWO and OWG, New World Order and [One] World Govt, which the UNSC unfortunately contributes to making happen very much.

For this, they need to more-or-less try to checkmate, say, Russia, and possibly China (possibly or else definitely), for "full spectrum dominance" essentially requires NWO and OWG status, and that OWG is which? The U.S. and its ruling elites, of course; along with their coalition allies, including major drug-trafficking cartels or organisations that help the FSD project along one way or another, along with all of these parties and their leaders, front and hidden, profiting. Russia is not among this coalition and has been resisting and is continuing to resist, as much as it can, while avoiding to trigger full-out nuclear war, the major U.S. and NATO military build-up within Russia's area of the planet.

Etcetera. All of this is explained better and in certainly plenty of detail in the resources I provided links for in this page, as well as with plenty of other articles and videos by the same people and others.

They do make sense too; a lot more sense than what we get for excuses, so-called justifications, from the U.S. and its coalition ally govts, which are full of liars and awfully greedy people. It's been long understood by many people that the so-called U.S. war on drug trafficking is BS! The same applies for the military wars of the U.S. waged on the world. It's all for RACKET(S).

"armybrat February 12th, 2009 2:55 pm

You misread the intent: dwindling-resource wars. It is the RESOURCES that are 'dwindling - not the WARS!"

I was replying to bryanD's post but the above by armybrat looks like it would, or certainly could anyway, be in response to my comment on bryanD having said, "i think the twist here being - the dwindling resource wars". I agree with what armybrat says, but is what he says indeed what bryanD meant? I usually let people speak for themselves and it's certainly not clear in the post by bryanD that I replied to that he meant as armybrat says. Or maybe armybrat was not replying based on my post, but to someone else's (?). If to my post, then bryanD wrote the following:

"bryanD February 12th, 2009 12:41 pm

resource wars have been ongoing for some time as pointed out above

i think the twist here being - the dwindling resource wars

also Gwynne Dyer's new book is called "climate wars" yet another aspect of the future

http://www.gwynnedyer.com/

the biggest one of all - water wars

coming to a war theater near you"

That does NOT indicate that bryanD was meaning to say "dwindling resources" as opposed to "dwindling resource wars", which can be alternatively stated as dwindling wars for or over resources.

"fakedemocracy February 12th, 2009 6:55 pm

"The war bubble caused the borrowing that caused the speculation bubble on real estate because that was the last capital asset to be exploited left in the USA since manufacturing has left for cheaper world labor sources and tax shelters"

Interesting Jim. ..."

I agree, and the last section of the article by Prof. Peter Dale Scott linked in my prior post in this CD page briefly explains that (and how) the economic crisis can, if not does, help the U.S. to war; that the crisis, and it impacting the rest of the world more than the U.S. (explained in Scott's article), "has relatively improved America’s capacity to finance a major war effort overseas", f.e. The taxpayers keep paying the bills, and apparently not only directly, but also indirectly, say.

Ballad of the Army Carts

by Tu Fu

The carts squeak and trundle, the horses whinny, the conscripts go by,
each with a bow and arrows at his waist.

Their fathers, mothers, wives, and children
run along beside them to see them off.
The Hsien-yang Bridge cannot be seen for dust.

They pluck at the men's clothes, stamp their feet, or stand in the way
weeping. The sound of their weepingseems to mount up to the blue sky above.
A passer-by questions the conscripts, and the conscripts reply:

``They're always mobilizing now! There are some of us who went north
at fifteen to garrison the River and who are still, at forty,
being sent to the Military Settlements in the west.

When we left as lads, the village headman had
to tie our head-cloths for us. We came back white-haired,
but still we have to go back for frontier duty!

On those frontier posts enough blood has flowed to fill the sea;
but the Martial Emperor's dreams of expansion remain unsatisfied. Haven't you heard, sir,
in our land of Han, throughout the two hundred prefectures east of the mountains

briers and brambles are growing in thousands of little hamlets;
and though many a sturdy wife turns her own hand
at the hoeing and ploughing, the crops grow just anywhere,

and you can't see where one field ends and the next begins?
And it's even worse for the men from Ch'in.
Because they make such good fighters, they are driven about this way and that

like so many dogs or chickens.``Though you are good enough to ask us, sir,
it's not for the likes of us to complain. But take this winter, now.
The Kuan-hsi troops are not being demobilized.

The District Officers press for the land-tax, but where is it to come from?
I really believe it's a misfortune to have sons. It's actually better to have a daughter.
If you have a daughter, you can at least marry her off to one of the neighbors;

but a son is born only to end up lying in the grass somewhere, dead and unburied.
Why look, sir, on the shores of the Kokonor the bleached bones have lain
for many a long year, but no one has ever gathered them up.

The new ghosts complain and the old ghosts weep, and under the grey
and dripping sky the air is full of their baleful twitterings.''

(uncredited translation from FamousPoetsandPoems.com. Lineation by Bobv)

Anyone else notice the picture of those three little kids and consider it representative of another cost of war? Those children have never know a life that didn't include armed U.S. soldiers tramping through it.

But, to quote our friend curmudgeon99, I could be wrong.

It took them a decade to figure this out? Bloody brilliant, I must say...

Duh. This is news? We all knew that BEFORE we went to war! Seriously, if the ordinary person can figure this out, why does it take the Guardian (and a foreign agency to boot) to write about it six years later as if it's a new awakening?!

When 9/11 occured, and as I watched the second tower fall, I had two certainties:
1. Inside job
2. All about oil.

This article highlights our certain need for renewable, FREE energy, which the U.S. government has had under wraps for over 40 years (other than for military uses). Sure would shake up the status quo and the monied powers who control through fear and lack if that energy was available to all people. How could they continue to demand trillions for weapons to keep us 'safe' while manipulating us into wars?

Read "Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge". Education is KEY.

"hootowl February 12th, 2009 3:18 pm

Oil and Israel pretty simple really, I'm amazed it has taken people this long to wake up, I knew it from before the war started."

YOU KNEW the propaganda based on lies that you were going to spew out across the Internet before the war started? I can believe that. As for Israel being behind the war on Iraq, BUNK! That claim, repeated by many people, varies between being negligent in terms of analysis, like not being thorough, and the alternative, which is propaganda based on blatant lying!

"armybrat February 12th, 2009 3:00 pm

Bush was the 'useful idiot' used to front these resource-wars. ..."

Sure, but AFTER Clinton, first; and after GHW Bush, etc., but while Clinton expanded, like by pushing the U.S., and NATO, further eastward! There's plenty of U.S. history, very secret, but not entirely, behind these resource wars against Afghanistan, first (putting aside pre-2000 history or years), and then Iraq.

In this regard, the Dem. and Repub. Parties 'merge'. I definitely agree with Pepe Escobar about this, and he says this in the following video, f.e. He's right and it's not difficult to see that he is. And he provides a very good, or excellent, presentation on the "New Cold War" for US control of Eurasian oil, gas, and mining resources, while encircling Russia in order to keep it ... checkmated, say. It has much to do with Zbigniew Brzezinski and the Dem. Party, but also others of the U.S. govt.

"Full spectrum dominance" (9:26), posted by TheRealNews, Aug 21 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTwdiC5jQ-I

Following is a recent post I made and on the topic of the U.S. agenda for "full spectrum dominance", links to specifically relevant resources, while the video at TheRealNews.com with Pepe Escobar is the same as the above one with him.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/02/08-4#comment-1134073

Like Harold Pinter, who gave a lecture in 2005 and for which I included a link to the apparently full video in the above or later post of mine, like he said, the U.S. war on Iraq is about the U.S. plan for FSD and including for natural resources; most definitely, unquestionably.

The following article also speaks of the U.S. plan for FSD, and official it is for it's part of the Pentagon's or U.S. DoD's "Vision 2020" plan and documents.

"9/11: Possible Motives Of The Bush Administration",
by Dr. David Ray Griffin, Dec 2 2005

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1391

As reader minitrue posted in the same page as the above one at CD, Feb. 8th, says:

"minitrue February 9th, 2009 5:27 pm

After 911, the entire world took us in its arms. It would have done anything to bring the perps to justice. The Neocon base in the US didn't want that to happen, for 911 was the "Pearl Harbor" they had been praying for to manipulate into their world hegemony dream."

That "New Pearl Harbor" is part of the overall topic of "full spectrum dominance". And quoting from another post of mine in the above or same CD page:

"Interesting and short enough is some very good information well written up Wade Frazier on 9-11. See "World Trade Center Prostscript" in the following page of his. Or, actually, the following jumps directly to that section of the page.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#wtc "

Another article of value to consider within the framework of FS is the following. It's about the U.S.A.'s so-called drug war not really being a war against drug trafficking, but about [protecting] the market for the pals of the U.S. ruling elites. And there's actual proof of this from declassified U.S. govt documents; declassified in apparently 2008, or else it'd be 2007.

"America's New Asian Quagmire: Graveyard of Empires", Feb 7 2009

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12194

And there's always, of course, the following 1933 plot, or 1932-33, which is not a useless reminder, for fascism USA hasn't ceased, corporate or corporatist fascism, that is.

"Wall Street's Plot to Seize the White House:
Facing the Corporate Roots of American Fascism"

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/53-index.html

And like former USMC Major General Smedley Butler said with his book, 'War IS A Racket'(!), that after 34 years of service all of the wars he served in for the U.S. were absolutely for RACKET.

It's why the U.S., along with NATO, is in Africa. It's why the U.S. refuses to give up on South American countries. It's the constant business of the U.S. govt, particularly internationally, to work for RACKET purposes; [never] for any [good] reasons. NEVER!

As for Pepe Escobar being right about Clinton, as I noted above when referring to this, the following is one piece that also says much enough the same, that is, that the Dem. and Repub. Parties basically 'merge'. Only, like Escobar says, Clinton was even or also worse than GHW Bush.

"Obama's 'War on Terror'", by Stephen Lendman, Feb 10 2009

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12253

The article by Prof. Peter Dale Scott that Lendman refers to is the following, and he also refers to FSD, only he makes two references to it; first referring to "Army continuity of operations planning is now focused on the full all-hazards threat spectrum, the name "ASRRS" has been replaced by the more generic title “Continuity of Operations (COOP) Program", and then relating that to the full "full spectrum dominance".

Quote: "Concern about the 2008 recession cannot have been on their minds then, or on those who introduced the Army’s “Continuity of Operations (COOP) Program” on January 19, 2001. Instead the “full all-hazards threat spectrum” envisaged in that document was clearly ancillary to the doctrine of “full-spectrum dominance” that had been articulated in the Joint Chiefs of Staff blueprint, Joint Vision 2020, endorsed eight months earlier on May 30, 2000."

"Martial Law, the Financial Bailout, and War", by Prof. PD Scott, copyright GlobalResearch.ca, Jan 8 2009

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11681

According to Prof. Scott's website, the following video, which is part 1 of 4, seems to be specifically about the above article
and part 1 is roughly 11 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBie0CtwsoE

This article confirms it is time for the emergence of NEO-HUMANS!

Surely to contemplate a future that is going to involve endless war is madness. People who consider such options are clearly deranged. Yet these primitive fruitcakes and warmongers will have their way if they are not stopped.

Become a NEO-HUMAN and help us to lead the world in a new direction. Check:

www.dangerouscreation.com

David King: Iraq as the First 'Resource War' of the Century
UK government's former chief scientific adviser says Iraq war was about oil, not weapons of mass destruction – and warns there will be more 'resource wars' to come

I respectfully disagree. For George Wanker Bush, the invasion and occupation of Iraq was principally about redeeming his failed life by covering himself in glory as a victorious wartime president. For Cheesedick Cheney, Iraq was principally about money (oil being part of that) and creating a slow motion coup d'etat that would convert the executive branch of the federal government into the de facto sole ruling order. The congress and the courts, through ideology and cowardice, would be emasculated and the president would become Der Fuhrer. The Repelicans would rule forever and eventually we would resemble either Nazi Germany, Cambodia under Pol Pot or the Soviet Union under Stalin. That was the plan which, at least temporarily, has gone the way of the best laid plans of mice and men.

determining a war that is not a 'resource war' is difficult. 'let's retake jerusalem for christ, strike a blow against the infidel, and get filthy rich on the spoil,' crowed the crusader.

orwell, in goldstein's book (1984), said (not a chapter and verse quote): "the purpose of all modern warfare is to maintain the class structure of society." blair/orwell did not foresee peak oil, water shortages, etc., so maybe his analysis is limited. but i think his general point stands: that there is a shortage of resources at this moment over which we are fighting is FALSE CONSCIOUSNESS/IDEOLOGY in the purest Marxist sense of that term.

As far as the first resource war of the 21st century goes, David King is mistaken, for Afghanistan is the first. That, however, is a resource war which if we put the Afghanistan aspect aside began during the 1990s, if not 1980s or even in 1979 (Zbigniew Brzezinski, 1979 and 1980s, as well as again today, now, as foreign policy adviser in the Obama administration). During the 1990s, Pres. Clinton launched a totally criminal war of aggression against Pres. Milosevic and Yugoslavia, and this is part of the overall "full spectrum project" to gain control over Eurasian and/or Central Asian energy reserves, as well as mining ones, Pepe Escobar indicating, explicitly, gold as an example.

I'll post links for this later; needing to step out now for a couple of hours.

"bryanD February 12th, 2009 12:41 pm

resource wars have been ongoing for some time as pointed out above"

YES, and AFGHANISTAN, really Central Asia, is another resource war. Contrary to Iraq being the first one of the 21st century, the war on Afghanistan (Pakistan, ...) is the first resource war of this century. Others, such as in Africa, were already underway since the 1990s, if some weren't even earlier.

bryanD: "i think the twist here being - the dwindling resource wars"

YOU'D have to provide evidence of these wars "dwindling", for if there is such proof, then I haven't come across mention of it before and don't see what the reasons would be. Some resource wars in Africa began in the 1990s and earlier, while some perhaps began earlier, and perhaps one or two began since 2000, but they're not really "dwindling". Even if we don't see msm "news" media reporting on the case of the DR Congo being a resource war, fought differently by the West than the wars on Iraq and Afghanistan, f.e., but still due to and fueled by the West, well, just because they haven't reported on the situation of the DRC being a resource war does not mean that it isn't; and it definitely is one.

BryanD: "the biggest one of all - water wars"

I'm not sure that "water wars" would be the "biggest" of the resource wars and there's a practical solution I've read about and which is called [desalination]. Canada has among the top two fresh water reserves in the world and when the war for these is underway, then it surely won't be with the U.S. launching its military machine on Canada; it'll be a "softly" fought war, politically, with again corporate predators being behind it.

We'll leave when the oil runs dry.

When the Brits occupied Iraq they kept on saying they were leaving but never left. Ditto for USA in Iraq, Ditto for USA in Afghanistan.

Who is president has nothing to do with this--the military/corporate complex runs this country.

"The rich are ruining (running) this country."

Dr Wu, the last of the big-time thinkers

This is omitting the resource wars that predate Iraq in this brave new century:
Afghanistan: oil pipeline, heroin, land (Bagram), etc
The Congo: minerals, gold, etc
Sierra Leone: diamonds
Colombia: cocaine, oil, etc
The USA: class war & exploitation of human and natural resources (not limited by borders)

The cost of this resource war = 3 trillion just in the last 5 years... now we know what the real debt was that caused our financial collapse. The war bubble caused the borrowing that caused the speculation bubble on real estate because that was the last capital asset to be exploited left in the USA since manufacturing has left for cheaper world labor sources and tax shelters.

With the help of our internet we are in the midst of a world wide reevaluation of our goals and to use our resources wisely like a beautiful older women.... truth is love and justice.

This could be the beginning of a new revolution of reason over War Economy (resource wars) exploitation of hate and fear. We can't end consumerism but like a beautiful older woman we can consume and use our resources wisely.

Awesome. At this rate all of the UK's scientists will know what I knew in 1976 by 2030! Did no one else come across the Club of Rome's "Limits to Growth"? or Jeremy Rifkin's "Entropy"? Or the freaking Whole Earth Catalog fer chrisakes!? I believe the current cascading collapse has been well anticipated by the Elites, who are raiding the global treasury for the funds they will need to stay comfortable while the eco-crisis decimates the planet's population. Once they have everything they need the 'news' will really break to the masses. Once it's definitely too late.

Is environmentalist still a dirty word? Haven't seen 'eco-terrorist' in the paper lately either. The eco-bandwagon has been rolling along for generations with only impoverished lonely outcasts and wingnuts aboard. Now everybody wants to jump on and pretend it's a hip new ride. Welcome aboard, hang on, here's the cliff.

"UK government's former chief scientific adviser says Iraq war was about oil, not weapons of mass destruction..." Gee! Ya think?

Nice to know we have a running start on making this century even bloodier than the last. Nine years into the century and, with the Democratic Republic of Congo leading the count into the millions, we're WAY ahead of where we were a century ago. Rah, rah, rah! Go Homo sapiens!

The true nature of the human being is to survive. Everything else is secondary.