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With White House Push, US Arms Sales Rise Sharply
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration is pushing through a broad array of foreign weapons deals as it seeks to rearm Iraq and Afghanistan, contain North Korea and Iran, and solidify ties with onetime Russian allies.
President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, right, at a ceremony on Feb. 2, 2007, for the United States’ transfer to the Afghan Army of 213 Humvees and more than 12,000 light weapons. (New York Times photo) From tanks, helicopters and fighter jets to missiles, remotely piloted aircraft and even warships, the Department of Defense has agreed so far this fiscal year to sell or transfer more than $32 billion in weapons and other military equipment to foreign governments, compared with $12 billion in 2005.
The trend, which started in 2006, is most pronounced in the Middle East, but it reaches into northern Africa, Asia, Latin America, Europe and even Canada, through dozens of deals that senior Bush administration officials say they are confident will both tighten military alliances and combat terrorism.
"This is not about being gunrunners," said Bruce S. Lemkin, the Air Force deputy under secretary who is helping to coordinate many of the biggest sales. "This is about building a more secure world."
The surging American arms sales reflect the foreign policy tides, including the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the broader campaign against international terrorism, that have dominated the Bush administration. Deliveries on orders now being placed will continue for several years, perhaps as one of President Bush's most lasting legacies.
The United States is far from the only country pushing sophisticated weapons systems: it is facing intense competition from Russia and elsewhere in Europe, including continuing contests for multibillion-dollar deals to sell fighter jets to India and Brazil.
In that booming market, American military contractors are working closely with the Pentagon, which acts as a broker and procures arms for foreign customers through its Foreign Military Sales program.
Less sophisticated weapons, and services to maintain these weapons systems, are often bought directly by foreign governments. That category of direct commercial sales has seen an enormous surge as well, as measured by export licenses issued this fiscal year covering an estimated $96 billion, up from $58 billion in 2005, according to the State Department, which must approve the licenses.
About 60 countries get annual military aid from the United States, $4.5 billion a year, to help them buy American weapons. Israel and Egypt receive more than 80 percent of that aid. The United States has also recently given Iraq and Afghanistan large amounts of weapons and other equipment and has begun to train fledgling military units at no charge; this assistance is included in the tally of foreign sales. But most arms exports are paid for by the purchasers without United States financing.
The growing tally of international weapon deals, which started to surge in 2006, is now provoking questions among some advocates of arms control and some members of Congress.
"Sure, this is a quick and easy way to cement alliances," said William D. Hartung, an arms control specialist at the New America Foundation, a public policy institute. "But this is getting out of hand."
Congress is notified before major arms sales deals are completed between foreign governments and the Pentagon. While lawmakers have the power to object formally and block any individual sale, they rarely use it.
Representative Howard L. Berman of California, chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, said he supported many of the individual weapons sales, like helping Iraq build the capacity to defend itself, but he worried that the sales blitz could have some negative effects. "This could turn into a spiraling arms race that in the end could decrease stability," he said.
The United States has long been the top arms supplier to the world. In the past several years, however, the list of nations that rely on the United States as a primary source of major weapons systems has greatly expanded. Among the recent additions are Argentina, Azerbaijan, Brazil, Georgia, India, Iraq, Morocco and Pakistan, according to sales data through the end of last month provided by the Department of Defense. Cumulatively, these countries signed $870 million worth of arms deals with the United States from 2001 to 2004. For the past four fiscal years, that total has been $13.8 billion.
In many cases, these sales represent a cultural shift, as nations like Romania, Poland and Morocco, which have long relied on Russian-made MIG-17 fighter jets, are now buying new F-16s, built by Lockheed Martin.
At Lockheed Martin, one of the largest American military contractors, international sales last year brought in about $6.3 billion, or 15 percent of the company's total sales, up from $4.8 billion in 2001. The foreign sales by Lockheed and other American military contractors are credited with helping keep alive some production lines, like those of the F-16 fighter jet and Boeing's C-17 transport plane.
Fighter jets made in America will now be flying in other countries for years to come, meaning continued profits for American contractors that maintain them, and in many cases regular interaction between the United States military and foreign air forces, Mr. Lemkin, the Air Force official, said.
Sales are also being driven by the push by many foreign nations to join the once-exclusive club of countries whose arsenals include precise, laser-guided missiles, high-priced American technology that the United States displayed during its invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.
In the Persian Gulf region, much of the rearmament is driven by fears of Iran.
The United Arab Emirates, for example, are considering spending as much as $16 billion on American-made missile defense systems, according to recent notifications sent to Congress by the Department of Defense.
The Emirates also have announced an intention to order offensive weapons, including up to 26 Black Hawk helicopters and 900 Longbow Hellfire II missiles, which can knock out enemy tanks.
Saudi Arabia, this fiscal year alone, has signed at least $6 billion worth of agreements to buy weapons from the United States government - the highest figure for that country since 1993, which was another peak year in American weapons sales, after the first Persian Gulf war.
Israel, long a major buyer of United States military equipment, is also increasing its orders, including planned purchases of perhaps as many as four American-made coastal warships, worth $1.9 billion.
In Asia, as North Korea has conducted tests of a long-range missile, American allies have been buying more United States equipment. One ally, South Korea, has signed sales agreements with the Pentagon this year worth $1.1 billion.
So far, the value of foreign arms deliveries completed by the United States has increased only modestly, reaching $13 billion last year compared with an average of $12 billion over the previous three years. Because complex weapons systems take a long time to produce, it is expected that the increase in sales agreements will result in much greater arms deliveries in the coming years. (All dollar amounts for previous years cited in this article have been adjusted to reflect the impact of inflation.)
The flood of sophisticated American military equipment pouring into the Middle East has evoked concern among some members of Congress, who fear that the Bush administration may be compromising the military edge Israel has long maintained in the region.
Not surprisingly, two of the biggest new American arms customers are Iraq and Afghanistan.
Just in the past two years, Iraq has signed more than $3 billion of sales agreements - and announced plans to buy perhaps as much as $7 billion more in American equipment, financed by its rising oil revenues.
Lt. Col. Almarah Belk, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said that making these sales served the interests of both Iraq and the United States because "it reduces the risk of corruption and assists the Iraqis in getting around bottlenecks in their acquisition processes."
Over the past three years, the United States government, separately, has agreed to buy more than $10 billion in military equipment and weapons on behalf of Afghanistan, according to Defense Department records, including M-16 rifles and C-27 military transport aircraft.
Even tiny countries like Estonia and Latvia are getting into the mix, playing a part in a collaborative effort by 15 countries, mostly in Europe, to buy two C-17 Boeing transport planes, which are used in moving military supplies as well as conducting relief missions.
Boeing has delivered 176 of these $200 million planes to the United States. But until 2006, Britain was the only foreign country that flew them. Now, in addition to the European consortium, Canada, Australia and Qatar have put in orders, and Boeing is competing to sell the plane to six other countries, said Tommy Dunehew, Boeing's C-17 international sales manager.
In the last year, foreign sales have made up nearly half of the production at the California plant where C-17s are made. "It has been filling up the factory in the last couple of years," Mr. Dunehew said.
Even before this new round of sales got under way, the United States' share of the world arms trade was rising, from 40 percent of arms deliveries in 2000 to nearly 52 percent in 2006, the latest year for which the Congressional Research Service has compiled data. The next-largest seller was Russia, which in 2006 accounted for 21 percent of global deliveries.
Representative Berman, who sponsored a bill passed in May to overhaul the arms export process, said American military sales, while often well intended, were sometimes misguided. He cited military sales to Pakistan, which he said he feared were doing more to stoke tensions with India than combat terrorism in the region.
Travis Sharp, a military policy analyst at the Center for Arms Control and Nonproliferation, a Washington research group, said one of his biggest worries was that if alliances shifted, the United States might eventually be in combat against an enemy equipped with American-made weapons. Arms sales have had unintended consequences before, as when the United States armed militants fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan, only to eventually confront hostile Taliban fighters armed with the same weapons there.
"Once you sell arms to another country, you lose control over how they are used," Mr. Sharp said. "And the weapons, unfortunately, don't have an expiration date."
But Mr. Lemkin, of the Pentagon, said that with so many nations now willing to sell advanced weapons systems, the United States could not afford to be too restrictive in its own sales.
"Would you rather they bought the weapons and aircraft from other countries?" he said. "Because they will."



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Show AllWhat may one expect from SATAN!
Seems like the entire world is arming itself to the teeth. Perhaps a glorious result of the Bush Administration's ruinous foreign policy and the Chicago Boys "shock doctrine" economic therapy.
I am not on Satan's mailing list so I do not claim to be privy to her desires or aspirations. Nor would I give such cachet to the abysmally incompetent Bush or the ineffably amoral Cheney, nope they are little more than ideologues and narrowly focused assholes. Sorry to besmirch the nations choice but there you have it.
Not unlike the "drill, baby, drill" stupidity that seeks to gift the oil industry one last time, this latest is just another gift from the outgoing administration to the military industrial complex that has supported Bush for these last eight years.
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
I must agree....more likely they are demons of a much lower order. I see no real power, but simply obeisance to the international bankers who represent the true evil and greed behind it all.
Agree too. I also think that, even though oil prices would be up anyway (it is actually good--but, try telling that to people who need to drive for a living)that Bush (who said he would spend the last year "replenishing the coffers"--he only has $25 million left)is giving the oil industry, the Hedge Funds, Wall St, their last big gift, before monetary policies wil simply have to change.(even if only slightly--or we're dead) They want enough to flee the country in the "style to which they have become accoustomed".
We should , at least, censure him.
I'll have to agree also.
This is insane.
-Well, Mr. Lemkin now that we've tried to "spread capitslim" everywhere--that is unavoidable, isnt it? Yeas, this is truly insane.
Insanity with a demonic agenda - That's the only thing that came to mind.
Not insane, simply the inevitable progression of capitalism, which, eventually, eats itself after consuming everything else....
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Were not selling them anything that will be used against the U.S. except small arms.
It's all second rate tech., compared to what the U.S. uses.
We probably have homing devices hidden so the US can blast them if we ever come up against these second rate weapons.
Selling arms is where the real profit is made. Let them kill each other that make it easier for the U.S. MIC.
Lol! Tbis is a joke , right? What the hell do you think they're using for weapons right now? Half the "new Iraqi military" we "trained" (Afghanistan now, too), has turned on us (the airstrikes didnt help) and the rest are being paid off! How long do you think we can do this, once China says, "no more loans , Yankee"!
This is why Bush must be impeached, or, at least, censored. Everybody says, "oh, lets focus on the election". No, Bush can stil do alot of damage!
WHY does he (and the sold out Pentagon) get to make these decisions? Well, coward Congres lets him, and , we need a Constitutional Convention--we need to remove the "popularity contest" presidency as "Commander in Chief" . It is NOT really in the Constittution (nor is the individual right to bear arms,but that is another argument)and we should make that plain. Of we had a parliamentary system, we would be much better served.
So, now, if "Congress is concerned"--who is? Which Congres people? This is suicidal and fricking ridiculous. Travis "Sharp" must not be so, if he doesnt realize that they are already using our weapons--when Halliburton doesnt use Chinese bullets that dont fit. Was tha intentional? I doubt it.
Think these weapons dont end up used on Am. troops>? Think again. When FOX News tried to "show" that Iran had WMDs, they showed a pit ful of "bombs", which , strangely enough, had English on them, and date, "American style"--you know, like its 9/14/08 today (vs. the rest of the world's 14/9/08) If they were made elsewhere, why would you write onthem in English? I called Rep Mike Turner"s office when I saw that--I got a very long silence, and, "I'll get back to you on that". Well surprise, surprise, Sgt. Carter! He never did!
Can you say "Iran/Contra"? Are nukes "second rate" weapons? We sell them just about everywhere. "I dont want no Muslim Queen--I just want my M-16" (Just a joke, folks--funny, ha, ha)
This is how the neoconservative movement has been playing this out for decades. The only reason to sell arms is to keep people fighting amongst themselves so that they won't stand up to the elites be it here at home or in almost any country. That is why the gun lobbyists including the NRA are the most powerful forces against the will of the people. Peace must start locally and then we must unite and do everything we can to prevent ourselves and each other from resorting to shooting as the "panacea" to our daily problems. United, we can defeat the arms race. Divided, we keep losing to the arms race.
P.S.: Thanks to peak oil, all that metal can only go so far. When weapons manufacturing goes down because there's little oil left to keep it running at the current and increasing demands, there may be some hope to allow peace to slowly but steady put violence to rest.
NO to condomns. YES to guns. It's the fundie's way of birth control.
There's no point forcing another life onto this planet if that life is to be misuses as a pawn for war.
Jason Jordan
Sandpoint, Idaho
The Bush administration is pushing through a broad array of foreign weapons deals as it seeks to rearm Iraq and Afghanistan, contain North Korea and Iran, and solidify ties with onetime Russian allies.
-in other words dominate and control the region for the benefit of Big Oil and the Military Industrial Complex, not us who pay over $4 a gallon for gas. The profits stay in their pockets and the killing is in our name.
...tanks, helicopters and fighter jets to missiles, remotely piloted aircraft and even warships, the Department of Defense has agreed so far this fiscal year to sell or transfer more than $32 billion in weapons and other military equipment...
-no small wonder we are ALWAYS involved in wars/occupations /aggressions; there is a lot of money to made for the Military Industrial Complex. The justifications follow the decisions. Remember the WMD justification?
"This is not about being gunrunners," said Bruce S. Lemkin, the Air Force deputy under secretary who is helping to coordinate many of the biggest sales. "This is about building a more secure world."
-eerily Orwellian. We arm the combatants to make them more secure, we destroy the village to save it, perpetual war for perpetual peace...nice
The surging American arms sales reflect the foreign policy tides, including the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the broader campaign against international terrorism...
-right, this is the answer to "What do we do with the "peace dividend?" after the cold war ended- we'll start a "Global War on Terrorism" in response to an act by 20 hijackers. Also, the Cold War has now been rekindled, thanks in part to the saber rattling of Bush/McCain/Obama.
...perhaps as one of President Bush's most lasting legacies.
-maybe so, but what happened to the compliant Congress? Do they bear any responsibility? You bet.
...it is facing intense competition from Russia and elsewhere in Europe
-who will win the race to be the biggest death merchant? I know where I would put my money!
American military contractors are working closely with the Pentagon, which acts as a broker and procures arms for foreign customers through its Foreign Military Sales program...
-yes, another definition of Military Industrial Complex
That category of direct commercial sales has seen an enormous surge as well, as measured by export licenses issued this fiscal year covering an estimated $96 billion, up from $58 billion in 2005,
-business is booming!
About 60 countries get annual military aid from the United States, $4.5 billion a year
-couldn't this be spent on health care? Single payer? Nah.
provoking questions among some advocates of arms control and some members of Congress.
-you mean and some members of the mighty milquetoast
While lawmakers have the power to object formally and block any individual sale, they rarely use it.
-has Obama, the great PRINCE of PEACE EVER raised an objection?
much of the rearmament is driven by fears of Iran.
-sure, hype up the fear roll in the $$$$$$
...served the interests of both Iraq and the United States because "it reduces the risk of corruption and assists the Iraqis
-1984 Orwellian New Speak....sure
...two of the biggest new American arms customers are Iraq and Afghanistan.
-I'm shocked!
But Mr. Lemkin, of the Pentagon, said that with so many nations now willing to sell advanced weapons systems, the United States could not afford to be too restrictive in its own sales.
-oh good thinking! Don't want to lose any customers.
I'm almost 50 yrs old, and as far back as I can remember we have had one military conflict after another and why that is is so simple; $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. The Democrats are no better than Pugs in this area. Obama is proposing increasing troop levels by 100,000 (draft?) and buying more military hardware. For what? You know for what.
A vote for either pro-imperialist, establishment party is a vote for the status quo. Only by breaking with the duopoly can we really HOPE to bring CHANGE, actual CHANGE, not one that is all marketing talk and cadenced hot air, designed to get votes from people duped into thinking Obama is an antiwar candidate.
We are an empire and empires use military power to secure their dominance over other nations. Obama is applying for the position of emperor which means he must continue the military policies of the empire or he won't get the job.
In this respect there is hardly any difference between Obama and McCain. Only candidates that tow the official line are deemed respectable and viable, those against it are ostracized, and deemed to be unacceptable fringe-looneys, like Nader/McKinney/Gravel/Ron Paul and socialists.
Vote for 3rd Parties if you want change, if you want to continue with the current policies of militarism and global empire, vote for either Obama (if you like your Republicans colored), or McCain (if you like your Republicans White). Contrary to popular belief there really isn't that much of a difference between the two mainstream parties. As far as war policies go, the differences are almost nil. And that's the truth!
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But wouldn't be nice to put a black face on imperialism?
Seriously, this is what we have to work with. I tell them my problems with Obama and they say, "Yeah, well, at least he's black! To think, we'll finally have a black president!"
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" -Epicurus
I would like to see a list of the people that are benefiting most from the arms sales. No doubt Cheney heads the list.
Arms proliferation is a key US elite interest. This alone is grounds for isolation of the USA by the world community. Notice that US elite interests are not the same as the US public interests. We can't say that we are against arms proliferation while for a "strong military".
We see that in the USA, under the elites' relentless class war aggression, one's support for a "strong military" and other such "centrist" ideas makes one a supporter of EVERYTHING elite. There is no grey area. If one votes for only a snivet of elite interests, one votes for absolute domination and oppression. This is the reality that the elites have carefully constructed in the matrix.
In the Nov. elections USAns will chose between elite interests and the public interests. Voting Demok/Repuk chooses elite interests. Voting third party progressive chooses the public interests. The public interests need the people's support, so please get out and vote third party progressive.
The IED's that have killed a few thousand Americans in Iraq were made from U.S. Artillery shells.
This new skill has been imported to Pakistan and Afghanistan where it now kills G.I.'s in those places.
With Israel stoking the hate and death in the American MSM (I first heard the rascist slur 'Islamofascism' out of Krisol's lying ugly mouth, now it's a household word), America is at war with Arabs and Islam.
At War For Oil and For Israel:
Dead American Kids.
Dead Palestinians.
Dead Arabs.
The ISRAELI's though have stayed nice and safe and comfy during this neoCON-Perle-Feith-Kristol-Cheney bloodbath they helped start*; Carefully Nowhere near the death they helped precipitate.*
*Mearschiem & Walt & It was OBVIOUS too.
America, Hijacked.
While I don't doubt that some Jewish people are fascists.
What we see coming from the hard right and the corporates is fascism. The fact is the families that own the corporates are Western European descendants For the most part. Perle and Wolfowitz etal are traitors to Judaism as well as the country they hold citizenship in, the USA.
Israel is just a game piece to them. Most folks in Israel want to live in peace to and do see how unfair and inhumane their rulers are and like many of us here are at a loss as to what to do against the fascist machine that has taken over our government.
Having done a lot of reading and hearing first hand stories from everyone from holocaust survivors to former intell and enforcement people the only conclusion i can come to is that fascism and collaboration with what would become the german nazis went all the way back to the turn of the century and very far up in our own government and most of the corporates from banks to war materials in ww1 and ww2. same companys same banks, same families.
U.S. to sell IAF (Israel) smart bombs for heavily fortified targets.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1020702.html
Attack on Iran coming up even though Iran is no threat just as Iraq was not a threat.
TEHRAN, Sept. 14 (Xinhua) -- Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki Sunday said Iran continues its sincere and serious cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the official IRNA news agency reported.
I think Bush/Olmert were going to use Georgian airfields to launch the obliteration of Iran. Maybe Putin has other ideas.
"Russian submarines armed with intercontinental ballistic missiles will test fire their rockets in the north Pacific Ocean September 15-20."
I wonder what John and Sarah will do about this - Borrow more warbucks?
Purveyors of death.
Blood money for blood.
This isn't new.
Read: War is a Racket by Major General Smedley Darlington Butler.
Google it. It is a short pamphlet, but written by the Marine's most decorated person between WWI and WWII.
I was on Hardball once and Chris Matthews asked me what I thought the reason for invading Iraq was. I had a one word answer: Profit.
He said: "Cindy, do you really think our leaders would send our young people off to die for profit?"...LOL. If his network wasn't owned by General Electric (major war profiteers) I would have taken him a little more seriously.
;(
Cindy
www.CindyforCongress.org
This should make Bush/Cheney and their Merchants of Death happy.
"Nigeria's main militant group in the Niger Delta has declared an "oil war" against forgeign-owned oil companies working in the region.
The Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (Mend) said on Sunday it had launched "hurricane Barbarossa" and destroyed flow stations and oil pipelines, killing 22 Nigerian soldiers.
Mend said it was launching the "war" after government troops attacked one of its positions a day earlier with aerial and marine forces.
Chevron confirmed one of its oil platforms was attacked by rebels on Sunday."
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2008/09/2008914123522975796.html
Bob Dylan's "Masters of War" comes to mind as well.
Arms manufacture and sales, from illicit street sales of "Saturday night specials" to nuclear weapons and delivery systems, is the spinning axle that drives the cycle of violence. The axle must be lubricated with an unstinting flow of blood and tears.
The myths of capitalism, e.g. the glorious "free market", make such production profitable and respectable. Except for a few throwaway phrases about beating swords into plowshares, no political or religious institution seriously critiques or opposes the juggernaut of arms manufacture and sales-- which find uses as water finds its own level.
I usually enjoy watching an innocuous PBS program called "History Detectives", in which viewers ask a quartet of "detectives" to investigate artifacts of reputed historical significance which have come into their possession. This season, I was struck by how many of the artifacts revolved around weaponry: an artillery shell reputed to have been stored at an arsenal blown up by sabotage in 1914; a fragment of cloth from a bomb-carrying balloon, part of a flock launched by the Japanese military for terroristic purposes, targeting the northwest US; a glass window etched with an image of Admiral Dewey's flagship from the Spanish-American War.
I found these segments unexpectedly depressing. The artillery shell turned out to be for a WWI British cannon, and the segment revealed that due to the vast demand for such munitions, American small business manufacturers, in this case a business machine/typewriter company, retooled to produce munitions. This was a source of pride at the time.
Most depressing of all was the segment about the window etched with the image of the SS Olympia; the presenter enthusiastically recapped the soaring American patriotism and spirit that prevailed during the Spanish-American War, noting with only cursory caveats that at the time, Americans were buoyed and inspired by the belief that the good old U S of A was "taking its place as a leader on the World Stage".
In fact, the window turned out to be just one of a vast assortment of pop culture memorabilia produced to satisfy the public's jingoistic frenzy for "souvenirs" of this noble enterprise-- which was, in fact, a naked war of aggression founded on a pretext to allow the powerful political and financial elite to steal territory and resources from militarily weak and naïve nations. Perhaps the presenter was simply too successful in evoking the primitive zeal embodied in the artifact, but it really bummed me out. Hooray for our side!
Pardon my oblique and tangential ruminations, but this is all part of the ghastly horrorshow discussed in the article.
Where have all the flowers gone?
RICK ABREU: Important postings, thank you.
The really sick thing about this trafficking in arms is how many innocents will pay in blood for someone else's profit. If I didn't have faith that the soul was inviolate and continous, this complicity in MURDER as a MAJOR U.S. PRODUCT would convince me life had no meaning or purpose. The karmic blowback in this kind of transfer of arms will be tragic to the Nth degree... There is not enough Unicef Donations or Care packages to begin to put back what this Humpty Dumpty will tear asunder.
You speak truth Siouxrose, thank you.
Dear CINDY Sheehan, your courage amazes us all... can you once again list the PLACE to MAIL donations. My home was hit by lightning and my computer was fried, phone went out for 5 days, some electrical problems... part of living in Florida. Nonetheless I am not in possession of the data... maybe others will also feel more comfortable sending by snail mail, given that all our electronic accounts are probably under the radar; unless of course there are pre-emptive seizures for those of us willing to fund the persons and organizations we have faith are doing the work of social justice in this wounded and wounding nation!
Siouxrose here's the link: http://www.cindyforcongress.org/
"This is not about being gunrunners," said Bruce S. Lemkin, the Air Force deputy under secretary who is helping to coordinate many of the biggest sales. "This is about building a more secure world."
This is the most ironical statement I have heard from the USA government this week.
You got to be kidding. The last thing more weapons around the world brings is security.
And it is all about being gun runners.
I know, right? I laughed out loud when I read that...
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" -Epicurus
After eight bloody years of the Bush administration’s fraudulent, criminal and sadistic “war on terror”—that is, the drive to establish American control over the world’s oil and energy resources—people all over the world are hoping that the elections bring an end to US-sponsored violence and aggression. They have been led to believe by the media in their own countries that the election of Obama, the first African-American to receive the presidential nomination of one of the two major capitalist parties, would herald a decisive shift in the foreign policy of the United States.
It is the responsibility of the SEP campaign to refute this complacent and dangerous illusion. If he is elected, Obama will pursue the global imperialist interests of the American ruling class no less ruthlessly than Bush. The “war on terror” will be escalated.
read more:http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/sep2008/elec-s13.shtml
Okay, so what do you suggest? Voting for McCain who is even more fond of war?
I can't imagine that this is all manufacturing can offer. But don't these guns get manufactured in China before they're shipped over? And why ship them back overseas? I would like to see Obama make the case of this latest criminal act of the president and tell us that the Republicans have been taking our guns and giving them to the terrorists. At least the Democrats would start getting better at reaching out to law abiding gun owners. I cannot believe that the NRA had the nerve to support this man for president or for that matter John Mccain of all people. And all these years, the Republicans made dirty promises to protect the law abiding gun owners. Those guns do not belong to Afghanistan ! They belong to hunters such as myself. Ok, I don't hunt with an AK-47 but some of my friends do, believe it or not.
Jason Jordan
Sandpoint, Idaho
P.S.: I'm new here and look forward to communicating on this forum whenever possible and whenever I reach interesting topics such as this one.
Please tell me how/why you would hunt with an AK-47? I do not want to make you feel uncomfortable here (many disagree with me), but I happen to feel that all guns belong--well, melted down.
What is left of an animal after it is shot with an AK-47?
I don't use an AK-47 to hunt. But those that do, well, it goes like this. And I've usually witnessed it. Stand a distance from the deer and shoot in all directions. If the hunter had a shotgun or just a gun that does only one round at a time, the hunter is forced to think, plan, and make their moves in a timely manner. The AK-47 pretty much makes them feel that they can shoot in any direction without even having to move. That kinda reminds me of the way our leaders in Washington act so confident about handling the war in Iraq from the comfort of their homes. Don't get me wrong. I truly believe that if one needs an AK-47 to hunt then they aren't even hunters. Tell that to most hunters out where I live and they'll think you're some spy sent in by the government to take people's guns away. Yeah, our state is gun crazy alright. In fact, even in Montana and Wyoming, Democrats will have to show that they're against gun control but my state is even more stricter than hell. And if that's not enough, there's always a war between the farmers and environmentalists. Still, the state is not all that racist as some would have you think.
Jason Jordan
Sandpoint, Idaho
Would you even be able to eat any meat from an animal with all that lead in it? Or, is their point just to kill it, and then they grow balls? (Not attacking you personally--I realize yu dont do it) When I stayed in Appalachia, cutting tobacco (I had to), all 12 boys in the house hunted--groundhog, opposum--they had to, and, if you didnt eat , at least some of it, you would have biscuits and water gravy for weeks on end.
Some people have to hunt. But I just cannot imagine an AK-47. A Vietnam vet friend of mine says that that is insane and that they're trying to be "macho"--theyre not.
When I lived in Nwe Hampshire, people took great pride in hunting with bows, and would only take a buck of a certain "point". (I hated NH, though--very conservative and racist, if you ask me--no offense to NHites who are not. The town "bar" had a "ladies" and "escorted ladies" sides!) I know some people here in Ohio who just kill whatever they see. (Even pets sometimes--well, I dont know them much anymore! They pretty well told me to go to hell) I called the police, Wildlife Management on them--they do nothing.
I still think that guns here are for "protection"--not sport. Forner Gov. Taft and the GOP in Columbus, got a law passed that if "someone looked at you in a threatening manner" you could shoot! (Who interprets the "threatening manner"?) We also have concealed carry and auto. weapons to private individuals. Homocide is way up in this city. It makes it a little more difficult to "disagree" with people?! While despising guns, I dont see why anyone needs an automatic weapon for protection--it is a murder weapon. If someone is attacking you, you should be able to fire one shot at them and stop them.They would stop. Unless they had a gun--then, it's just a big shootout. Like at Va. Tech.--"an armed student pop. couldve 'taken the guy out'"--what BS! People that say "Oh, I'd have shot him , hell yeah!!", most have never even fired a gun, and , certainly , never had to shoot at anyone. Its not as much "fun" as people seem to think it is in video games--I never shot anyone, and, dont own a gun . But, I had a very small one for self defense, someome taught me how to shoot it--at a bottle on a log! (I had an ex after me) and, sure enough, he busted the door down again. Maybe it was because i knew him--but it is NOT as easy to fire as you might think. It ends up being taken away from you and you feel stupid and more vulnerable than before.
If people want to carry AK-47s or M-16s--we have just the job for yu. Recruiting now.
he town "bar" had a "ladies" and "escorted ladies" sides!)
Surely you are kidding? Please tell me you are kidding.
We have concealed carry laws in Texas and our instances are down, a lot.
This is a general comment/not meant for you Kdelphi
Some people hunt, some dont. As long as those that don't...don't try to impose their preference on others they are welcome to their opinion. If you don't like eating meat, don't eat it.
No one hunts with an AK47 or M16 or anything like that. There is no need for an operational model other than semi automatic of these rifles. But even then, if you go hunting with them, other hunters wouldn't allow you anywhere near them and you would be laughed out of the town when you showed up with them.
This is a very perceptive comment and something many people forget....
"Like at Va. Tech.--"an armed student pop. couldve 'taken the guy out'"--what BS! People that say "Oh, I'd have shot him , hell yeah!!", most have never even fired a gun, and , certainly , never had to shoot at anyone. Its not as much "fun" as people seem to think it is in video games"
Its very hard to kill another human being and if anyone thinks you are ever the same after it, they are too stupid to live. No one knows up to that very moment if they can pull the trigger. So just having guns doesn't guarantee anything.
I don't think KDelphi meant to impose it. I can understand that outside of the MidWest, most folks are not used to eating their meat raw. And interesting point on the lead bullets. Yes, nothing that's ever made in China is safe and guarenteed toxic-free these days.
Thomas, not everyone in my area uses AK-47s for hunting but some do even though it's just a way to be lazy and not use the mind and body to do the hunting along with the guns.
Jason Jordan
Sandpoint, Idaho
Out in the upper midwest, you won't win voters over that way. I understand your concern and am very well aware of it. I, for one, don't like to see an animal repeatedly shot dozens of times. The NRA and other gun interests fell into the idea of marketing semi-automatic rifles and knew how to fool gullible hunters into believing that a semiautomatic gun was a "good gun" whereas the regular hunting rifle was a "bad gun". Right now, trying to pull these guys and gals out of that insanity is as easy as telling them to vote Democrat. Maybe I'll pick up some pointers and ideas of these sites and convince someone or other. Who knows?
Jason Jordan
Sandpoint, Idaho
Man, I'd hate to be in the woods with one of those crazy fucks. I don't think my orange hat would protect me then.
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" -Epicurus
Yep, those crazy ones make up a great deal of the voters in the state. Of course my state is very rural for the most part. Craziness has been the lifeblood of this state sadly. I don't know how I can help temp it down. Maybe I myself have a lot to learn from this site. I used to be a huge Reaganite and a Rush Limbaugh fanatic back in the 1990s. Unfortunately, things got worse and after I was barely able to save my then newly married wife's life, she was able to convince me that I really don't belong to the Republican Party after all. I realize that all this Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Ted Nugent, etc ... stuff is there to create this illusion that I'm some smashing bulldozer that can smash anyone or anything in its way. In the end, I realized that I had nothing to gain. The amazing part of all this was once I dropped conservatism and decided to give liberalism a chance, my wife and I had a happier life together. Sure, we don't make a lot of money but I found myself focused in life and able to work things out successfully. While liberalism gets no political say in Idaho politics, some such as myself keep it local and stick to generosity and helping one another.
Jason Jordan
Sandpoint, Idaho
P.S.: My apologies that 70% of the voters generally go Republican. The Democrats that do exist in the state are nowhere close to the ones in Washington. They are economically liberal but on social issues, it can range from moderate to heavy. Most Democrats in Idaho shun gun control and some even abortion although I think it's a bit too overkill to decide what women should do with their bodies. While I don't take feminism seriously, I still have tremendous respect for women's rights and equality.
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