Nationalize Insolvent Banks
A year ago I predicted that losses by U.S. financial institutions would be at least $1 trillion and possibly as high as $2 trillion.
At that time, the consensus was that such estimates were gross exaggerations--the naïve optimists had in mind about $200 billion of expected subprime mortgage losses. But, as I pointed out, losses would rapidly mount well beyond subprime mortgages as the U.S. and global economy spun into a severe financial crisis and ugly recession.
I argued that we would see rising losses on subprime, near-prime and prime mortgages; commercial real estate; credit cards, auto loans and student loans; industrial and commercial loans; corporate bonds, sovereign bonds and state and local government bonds; and massive losses on all of the assets--collateralized debt obligations (CDOs), collateralized loan obligations, asset-backed securities and the entire alphabet of credit derivatives--that had securitized such loans.
By now, write-downs by U.S. banks have already passed the $1 trillion mark (my floor estimate of losses), and institutions such as the International Monetary Fund and Goldman Sachs predict losses over $2 trillion (close to my original expected ceiling for such losses).
But if you think $2 trillion is already huge, our latest estimates at RGE Monitor (available in a paper for our clients) suggest that total losses on loans made by U.S. financial firms and the fall in the market value of the assets they are holding will be, at their peak, about $3.6 trillion. The U.S. banks and broker-dealers are exposed to half of this much, or $1.8 trillion; the rest is borne by other financial institutions in the U.S. and abroad.
The capital backing the banks' assets was just $1.4 trillion (last fall), leaving the U.S. banking system some $400 billion in the hole, or close to zero even after the government and private-sector recapitalization of such banks. Thus, another $1.4 trillion will be needed to bring back the capital of banks to the level it had before the crisis, and such massive additional recapitalization is needed to resolve the credit crunch and restore lending to the private sector.
These figures suggests the U.S. banking system is effectively insolvent in the aggregate; most of the U.K. banking system looks insolvent, too, and many other banks in continental Europe are also insolvent.
There are four basic approaches to a clean-up of a banking system that is facing a systemic crisis:
No. 1: Recapitalization together with the purchase by a government "bad bank" of the toxic assets;
No. 2: Recapitalization together with government guarantees--after a first loss by the banks--of the toxic assets;
No. 3: Private purchase of toxic assets with a government guarantee and/or--semi-equivalently (a provision of public capital to set up a public-private bad bank where private investors participate in the purchase of such assets--something similar to the U.S. government plan presented by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner for a public-private investment fund);
No. 4: Outright government takeover (call it nationalization--or "receivership" if you don't like the N-word) of insolvent banks, to be cleaned after takeover and then resold to the private sector.
Of the four options, the first three have serious flaws. In the bad-bank model (the first, above) the government may overpay for the bad assets, at a high cost for the taxpayer, as their true value is uncertain; if it does not overpay for the assets, many banks are bust, as the mark-to-market haircut they need to recognize is too large for them to bear.
Even in the guarantee-after-first-loss model (No. 2 above), there are massive valuation problems, and there can be very expensive risk for the taxpayer, as the true value of the assets is as uncertain (as in the purchase of bad assets model).
The shady guarantee deals recently done with Citigroup and Bank of America were even less transparent than an outright government purchase of bad assets, as the bad-asset-purchase model at least has the advantage of transparency of the price paid for toxic assets.
In the bad-bank model, the government has the additional problem of having to manage all the bad assets it purchased, something that it does not have much expertise in. At least in the guarantee model, the assets stay with the banks. The banks know better how to manage--and also have a greater incentive than the government to eventually work out such bad assets.
The very cumbersome U.S. Treasury proposal to dispose of toxic assets, presented by Geithner, taking the toxic asset off the banks' balance sheets as well as providing government guarantees to the private investors that will purchase them (and/or public capital provision to fund a public-private bad bank that would purchase such assets). But this plan is so non-transparent and complicated it got a thumbs-down from the markets as soon as it was announced. All major U.S. equity indexes dropped sharply.
The main problem with the Treasury plan--that in some ways may resemble the deal between Merrill Lynch and Lone Star--is the following: Merrill sold its CDOs to Lone Star for 22 cents on the dollar. Even in that case, Merrill remained on the hook in case the value of the assets were to fall below 22 cents, as Lone Star paid initially only 11 cents (i.e., Merrill guaranteed the Lone Star downside risk). But today, a bank like Citi has similar CDOs that, until recently, were still sitting on its books at a deluded value of 60 cents.
Since the government knows no one in the private sector would buy those most toxic assets at 60 cents, it may have to make a guarantee (formally or informally) to limit the downside risk to private investors from purchasing such assets. But that guarantee would be hugely expensive if you needed to convince private folks to buy at 60 cents assets that are worth only 20--or even 11--cents.
So the new Treasury plan would end up being again a royal rip-off of the taxpayer if the guarantee is excessive in relation to the true value of the underlying assets. And if, instead, the guarantee is not excessive, the banks need to sell the toxic assets at their true underlying value, implying that the emperor has no clothes.
A true valuation of the bad assets--without a huge taxpayer bailout of the shareholders and unsecured creditors of banks--implies that banks are bankrupt and should be taken over by the government.
Thus, all the schemes that have so far been proposed to deal with the toxic assets of the banks may be a big fudge--one that either does not work or works only if the government bails out shareholders and unsecured creditors of the banks.
So, paradoxically, nationalization may be a more market-friendly solution to a banking crisis. It creates the biggest hit for common and preferred shareholders of clearly insolvent institutions and, most certainly, even the unsecured creditors, in case the bank insolvency hole is too large; it also provides a fair upside to the taxpayer.
Nationalization can also resolve the problem of the government managing the bad assets: If you're selling back all the banks' assets and deposits to new private shareholders after a clean-up, together with a partial government guarantee of the bad assets (as was done in the resolution of the Indy Mac bank failure), you avoid having the government manage the bad assets.
Alternatively, if the bad assets are kept by the government after a takeover of the banks and only the good ones are sold back, through a reprivatization scheme, the government could outsource the job of managing these assets to private asset managers. In this way, the government can avoid creating its own Resolution Trust Corp. bank to work out such bad assets.
Nationalization also resolves the too-big-to-fail problem of banks that are systemically important, and that thus need to be rescued by the government at a high cost to the taxpayer. This too-big-to-fail problem has now become an even-bigger-than-too-big-to-fail problem, as the current approach has led weak banks to take over even weaker banks.
Merging two zombie banks is like having two drunks trying to help each other stand up. The JPMorgan Chase takeover of insolvent Bear Stearns and WaMu; the Bank of America takeover of insolvent Countrywide and Merrill Lynch; and the Wells Fargo takeover of insolvent Wachovia, all show that the too-big-to-fail monster has become even bigger.
In the Wachovia case, you had two wounded institutions (Citi and Wells Fargo) bidding for a zombie, insolvent one. Why? They both knew that becoming even bigger than too big to fail was the right strategy to extract an even greater bailout from the government. Instead, with the nationalization approach, the government can break up these financial supermarket monstrosities into smaller pieces to be sold to private investors as smaller (better) banks.
This "nationalization" approach was successfully undertaken by Sweden, while the current U.S. and U.K. approach may end up looking like the zombie banks of Japan that were never properly restructured and ended up perpetuating the credit crunch and credit freeze.
Japan wound up with a decade-long near-depression because of its failure to clean up the banks and the bad debts. The U.S., U.K. and other economies risk a similar near-depression and stag-deflation (multi-year recession and price deflation) if they fail to appropriately tackle this most severe banking crisis.
So why is the U.S. government temporizing and avoiding doing the right thing, i.e., taking over the insolvent banks?There are two reasons.
First, there is still some small hope (and a small probability) that the economy will recover sooner than expected, that expected credit losses will be smaller than expected, and that the current approach of recapping the banks and somehow working out the bad assets will work in due time.
Second, taking over the banks--whether you call it nationalization or, in a more politically correct way, "receivership"--is a radical action that requires most banks be clearly beyond the pale. Today, Citi and Bank of America look blatantly near-insolvent and ready to be taken over, but JPMorgan and Wells Fargo as yet do not.
But with the sharp rise in delinquencies and charge-off rates that we are experiencing now on mortgages, commercial real estate and consumer credit, even JPMorgan and Wells will likely look near-insolvent in six to 12 months (as suggested by Chris Whalen, one of the leading independent analysts of the banking system).
Thus, if the government were to take over only Citi and Bank of America today, wiping out common and preferred shareholders and forcing unsecured creditors to take a haircut, a panic may ensue for other banks, and the Lehman fallout that resulted from having unsecured creditors taking losses on their bonds will be repeated.
On the other hand, if, as is likely, the current "fudging" strategy does not work, and most banks--the major four and the a good number of the remaining regional banks--all look clearly insolvent in six to 12 months, you can then take them all over, wipe out common and preferred shareholders and even force unsecured creditors to accept losses.
So, the current strategy--Plan A-- may not work, and Plan B (or better, "Plan N," for nationalization) may end up the way to go later this year. Wasting another six to 12 months may risk turning a U-shaped recession into an L-shaped near-depression.
The political constraints the new administration faces--and the remaining small probability that the current strategy may, by some miracle or luck, work--suggest Plan A should be first exhausted before there is a move to Plan N.
But with the government forcing Citi to shed some of its units and assets, and starting stress tests to figure out which institutions are so massively undercapitalized that they need to be taken over by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., the administration is laying the groundwork for the eventual, necessary takeover of the insolvent banks.
So while Plan A is now underway, the very negative market response to this Treasury plan suggests it will not fly. Markets were expecting a more clear plan, but also one that would bail out shareholders and creditors of insolvent banks. Unfortunately, that is politically and fiscally unfeasible. It is time to start to think and plan ahead for for Plan N.
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Show Alloldcreditiste; Just for your interest I tell you that there was a Canadian Bank, that was insolvent for 40 years and still paid a dividend each year. You can look it up in the Encyclopedia Britannica 1965 edition I think. If my memory serves it was the Dominion Bank, taken over by the Bank of Toronto, to become the Toronto Dominion Bank, now TD Waterhouse. I think the amalgamation was in 1948.
If this is a Depression we need an increase in the Money Supply. If the banks and borrowers cant or will not create money then the Government can and should create the needed amount and give it to the people to spend and get the economy going.
We should nationalize all banks. John F. Kennedy tried to nationalize banks, and return U.S. to the new and improved "United States Dollar Exchangeable in Silver Coin". Back before 1913 when the Federal Reserve bank started lending U.S. at interest, "Federal Reserve Notes" to use as our new form of currency. We the People use to have "United States Dollar Exchangeable in Gold Coin". But after 1913 there was a Federal seizure of all gold under penalty of 10 years imprisonment. I really hope Obama can acomplish what J.F.K started!!!
We all know what happened to J.F.K 6 months after passing legislation to return our moneitary system to a silver standard. (What? Fed.team go, Fed.team go, theres a shooter on the grassy knoll.)
Obama is President of The United State of America (We the People)
not president of United States Federal Corporation.
Its like when you sign your name it Upper and Lower case its You the Person.
But on your Drivers License in all Upper case its YOU the CORPORATION.
Before any of us were born some slick rich guys tricked US all.
If the banks are nationalized, the government will become the owner of the banks’ good and bad assets and it will have to assume the banks’ contractual obligations towards their creditors, investors, and account holders. In particular, any contractual guarantees given by the banks to the owners of now-worthless risky “innovative” financial vaporware will become de facto contractual obligations of the government towards these owners.
If we ignore small-fry investors, pension funds etc., these owners are greedy trillionaires who bought the financial vapor ware with full knowledge of its risks. If the “financial system” goes bankrupt the trillionaires of the country (and of the world) will lose humongous amounts of money and hence will lose much, if not most, of their economic and political power (but they won’t be reduced to misery, far from it; yes, smaller investors who chose "risk" will also go down in flames and they will deserve it, even if not as badly).
That’s why the trillionaires have mobilized bribed economists, journalists, and politicians and ordered them to call wolf about the horrors of letting the “financial system” fail. “Saving the financial system” is indeed the obfuscating phrase invented by these bribed economists, journalists, and politicians to try saving this neo-feudal class of trillionaires that is “essential“ to what “America stands for” and to “how things should be after we help them out”, as the “radical” Paul Krugman has put it in print repeatedly.
As you may remember, in the middle ages whenever the feudal class created a mess they “rescued themselves” for the “sake of the country” by taxing the hell out of the serfs and the bourgeois, but now with “the triumph of liberty” all of that has changed… yeah right!
Nationalizing the banks will open the gates to all kinds of pompous declarations by congress demoblicans about the government’s solemnial duty to honor the contractual commitments that came with the “act of nationalization” bla bla bla, so they can save their trillionaire friends amidst an apotheosis of self-righteous complacency and flag waving.
Let’s not give them that chance to demonstrate so much friendship. There is no need to save the trillionaires, regardless of how much money they have given to economists, journalists, and politicians and of whether the flow of bribes may stop if the trillionaires fail for good. The banks should be allowed to go through an orderly bankruptcy that preserve their real-economy presence and protect the savings of their non-reckless customers up to say 200k per account and up to say 1 million total net worth per person (IRS-declared), where a sliding scale could be used that reflect how "aggressive" the interest-gathering strategy chosen by each account holder was and the extent to which the account holder chose risky “lucrative’ financial-speculation products over investments in actual production. The necessary paper trail is available…
One should fire everybody in the *failed* banks' upper management (because they failed, duh!) except for whistle blowers and those essential to day-to-day operations, for those managing customer accounts, and for those having expertise in evaluating loans applications by companies that produce actual goods, be they trinkets, essential insurance products, etc.
Social criteria like protecting pensions could also be used by simply dividing the amount invested by each pension by the number of people the pension represents in order to determine what the pension can get in terms of protection and for which individual accounts (since pension-holders who chose especially reckless financial-speculation products should be protected less).
So it’s not time to nationalize the losses of this self-anointed neo-feudal class of trillionaires masters of the universe. Rather, it’s time to shut down their failed banks, to let the greediest investors bite the dust, to claw back any bailout money given so far to them and the banks, and to use this money to jump start the flow of credit into the economy after “nationalizing” (hiring back!) the banks’ existing experts in locating, evaluating, financing, and following-through worthy entrepreneurial ventures in real production and giving them a new institutional backing and responsibilities.
This crisis must teach harsh lessons to the most reckless of investors and bankers, and spare those investors and bankers who tried the hardest to stay away from the greedy madness of the last 30 years, even if only for moral reasons.
busterkikki
Instead of crying about the banks and the crooks that run them, nationalize them through the U.S. Government. If the Government is going to throw billions of dollars to the banks, let the Government take the responsibility for eliminating the enormous salaries, etc., that the banks get away with now and see to it that the money is well spent, not on ball parks, etc.
Maybe in ten years we can de-nationalize them again, but be prepared to take over again in twenty years when all the lessons have to be re-educated.
since banks have their rights to exist and people have their right to progress, two monetary systems on one market is the way (only way to go)
edweg
OBAMA TOP FUNDRAISER ON WALLSTREET
Bloomberg News
Wednesday, April 18, 2007; Page D02
"Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama ran ahead of New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D) and former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani (R) on their home turf in the first quarter, raising cash from the biggest investment banks on Wall Street."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/17/AR2007041701688.html
and from "PROLIFIC" Magazine: "MEET OBAMA'S CORPORATE BACKERS", August 8, 2008 by Jay Morgan
Donor: Goldman Sachs & Co. - $627,730
Donor: JP Morgan. - $398,021
Donor: Citigroup. - $393,899
Donor: UBS AG. - $378,400. A Swiss Bank. Money from US employees.
Donor: Lehman Brothers. - $353,922
http://theprolific.com/2008/08/meet-obamas-corporate-backers/
Google: obama wall street donations
Hello, Sioux Rose,
Now we know why the Obama administration won't do too much to control, "excessive greed disorder." Wall Street gave more money to Obama than to their fellow New Yorkers Clinton and Giuliani. Do you think maybe they knew something that we progressives didn't?
ITEM... The top one percent of households received 21.8 percent of all pre-tax income in 2005, as compared to 8.9 percent in 1976. This is the greatest concentration of income since 1928, when 23.9 percent of all income went to the richest one percent. ... (Inequality of total WEALTH is much greater than that of income.)
www.demos.org/inequality/numbers.cfm
ITEM... The INCREASE in incomes of the top 1 percent of Americans from 2003 to 2005 exceeded the TOTAL income of the poorest 20 percent of Americans. (Which means that it really wouldn't be that hard to eliminate poverty in this country, if there were a will.) www.nytimes.com/2007/12/15/business/15rich.html
ITEM... The income tax rate on the very rich ($3.5 per year in today's terms) went from 70% in the '60's and '70's to 35% today. Capital gains and inheritance taxes have also been sharply reduced.
ITEM... The economy will not substantially recover unless these trends in inequality (one sided class war) are sharply reversed.
ITEM... Obama and his Wall Street treasury sec Geithner are not going to do what is needed.
CONCLUSION... IT IS UP TO US, SISTERS AND BROTHERS. Awareness is just the beginning. A new era of SOLIDARITY is most important. If we learn to really co-operate with each other, we may win through the coming chaos to a new civilization.
If you want to read my proposal for an uptick in solidarity, write me at:
Laurenceofberk@aol.com
I think the call to nationalization of banks is a temporary emotional outburst. The anger is quite understandable because the folks are really mad. But in the hands of government employees, banks will be staffed by cronies of politicians. They will become top heavy and will deliver horrible service to their depositors and clients alike. Corruption will prevail at an unprecedented scale. A visit to your local bank branch will be like a visit to the DMV or the post office. Does any one really want that?
We should all calm down and think this through. Nationalization is not an option. Period. The loans on homes have gone bad or were bad to begin with. It is a fact. Who is responsible? Everybody--- from the greedy borrower to the greedy lender to the even more greedy Wall Streeter to the irresponsible congressman to the damn care or ignorant regulator. We can't put them all in jail just like we can't haul up and deport all the illegal aliens in the country. Lets be practical here.
I want to repeat that it is the loans on the real estate that are bad. But the real estate itself is good and solid. We need to separate the bad loans from the good real estate. The government should step in and buy up the foreclosed homes and other homes in delinquency, using people's money, on behalf of the people, in an open auction. At the same time, new housing permits should be banned for the next 18 months by an act of Congress to curtail the over-supply. Let the taxpayer have a fair chance to make some money on their investment when the market turns around and the real estate appreciates.
Instead of folks who are unable to pay their installments, it will be uncle Sam who will now be owing money. The government should then proceed to re-schedule the payment of the previously risky loans with those who hold the paper. This will immediately restore confidence in the shattered financial system and will give much needed boost to the banks' balance sheets as the MBSs and CDOs, currently difficult to price, will start showing value and will become marketable. The toxic assets will no longer be toxic. Banks will abandon their current strike, quit hoarding money and will re-start lending as the counter-party risk will be largely eliminated. After all, banks are in the lending business. This will give them the much needed confidence to proceed.
The unfettered free market capitalistic system, as preached by the Chicago School, which has been the dominant ideology for the last several decades, has failed us miserably. This ideology had sold us on the concept that free markets are self-correcting mechanisms and that government intervention is not only unnecessary but also counter-productive. The evidence is quite contrary and the Greenspan confession is a damning indictment of this ideology. Unfettered free market system mimics human nature, the nature of greed. If left unchecked, it will lead us from crisis to crisis, as has been witnessed. We have learned the hard way that the "invisible hand" of Adam smith is that of an ever-hungry baboon.
We were also told that the free market model is the best mechanism to efficiently and fairly allocate scarce resources. In reality, this ideology has left most of humanity unfed, unclothed and uncared for. Communism had made even bolder claims. But that model has failed mankind even more horridly. It is time for a hybrid system which may be called the Public-Private Partnership model. This is already taking shape in front of our eyes. The government should take equity stake in the financial system on an ongoing basis. Let the ordinary folks have a say in answering the fundamental questions of economics like what to produce, how to produce and for whom to produce. The answer to these fundamental questions i.e the allocation of resources, cannot be left solely to the representatives and managers of private wealth.
I am not advocating that the government should become a partner in every industry or sector of the economy. I am proposing that the financial system be jointly owned by the public and private sector. This will eliminate the risk of over-leveraging and will also settle the debate over the "too big to fail" phenomenon.
What a kick in the head. The government is riding in on a white horse...to rescue the very people who've been telling us for 30 years that government is the problem.
Irony does not get any richer.
8 Years without a Leader
I have read all the above with interest and hold you all in high respect, while I wish to add a couple of caveats to the stew.
First, on the issue of the role of the current U.S. economic crisis, there has been much discussion lately on the issue whether other economies could "decouple" from the West's economies and thus save themselves from the perfidies. Evidently, it turns out that such de-couple is not possible, with a few exceptions. Evidently, ALL the major industrialized economies and many of the major third world commidity-exporting countries bought into the neoliberal international Derivatives banking model (with the possible exception of Russia to some extent). The concomitant here is the question of the extent to which the LOCAL banking system within the United States is DECOUPLED from the speculative national system, and it turns out that there is a "shadow" banking system in the U.S. that has never gotten involved in all the speculation crap, and these banks are in pretty good shape if the Dollar does not unravel. rtdrury, above, points to the role of local credit unions, as he/she has before. I have a CD with my local credit union and it pays interest above our titular inflation. Meanwhile, other local banks also seem to have remained responsible players.
It is the big guys in the speculative markets---using our money---who fucked up, big time and with malice aforethought. They were gonna get theirs, and the bonuses before the bailout are proof positive. There needs to be a reckoning. In all human transactions there need to be consequences. Sometimes, Sioux Rose, sometimes, Karma demands human intervention. One can suspend the Ego and the Id up to a point while some pundits are actually going along with the idea that if we put a half-million cap on their salaries they won't get the best and the brightest.
I forgot the second thing.
Oh, the Geithner bailout is gonna fail. They don't need our money. But the more we borrow to bail them out, the more we end up paying interest on our debt. To them!
Expect a little bout of deflation, then expect gas prices to go back up and you can't sell your SUV, you fucking idiot. You raised MY gas price you profligate pig. Think about it folks. It was the Middle Class people who lived off their mortgages who contributed to this mess---who contributed far more than the poor to this mess---oh I'll send my daughter to college by rewriting my mortgage---don't worry!!!
The Middle Class bought into this mythology. WHY???
Expect hyperinflation. Work against it. I wish I had more answers. Check the price of gold?
-30-
Sioux Rose
OLEMANRIVER: Good post. I never said karma is mutually exclusive from human actions and/or human agencies. The point is it's an over-arching spiritual fact based in universal law. Genetics also requires some human interaction.
It seems to be that a collapse of former systems and the false creeds they are based upon (winner takes all, rabid global corporate capitalism without conscience, too often finding its profits IN war and destruction, thank you Naomi...) is imminent. Out of this crisis come opportunities to redesign the ways we live. The alternative is wars over vanishing resources, the elites hoarding everything to the point they turn their (really ours, we pay via tax dollars) guards on us. I am hoping for the more optimistic, life-affirming alternative. Time will tell, and time is all about what we do with that intangible mysterious resource.
AL CAPONE SAYS: "IF YOU PEOPLE DON'T GIVE ME MORE MONEY, I CAN'T DO MY JOB."
But then seriously, folks, we really need to understand the criminality of these bankers.
Sub-prime mortgages, for example. The banks had their own criteria for who gets what kind of mortgage. Above a certain credit rating you can get a fixed rate, below it, sub-prime with a ballooning interest rate in a few years. What most people don't realize is that the banks violated their own criteria. They told a lot of fairly low income people who qualified for a fixed rate loan that they could only be given a sub-prime. (Without explaining too carefully the nature of these loans) Minorities, African and Hispanic Americans, were especially hard hit these deceptions. By steering people into bad loans bankers subjected them to hundreds thousands of dollars in additional mortgage obligations. This little deception made the banks tens or hundreds of billions of dollars. (Eliot Spitzer, by the way, was in Washington to testify about the practice of "predatory loans" when the Federal Government busted him for being a john. He had already set up a network of states' attorney generals to deal with the issue.)
I suppose it took a lot of high priced talent to think up and execute these schemes, not to mention the lobbying which gave them the blessings of our government. To run a simple honest bank, however - make loans to pull in a modest profit in a community you know well, doesn't take quite so much ingenuity. Let it be done by boring bureaucrats.
Sioux Rose
LAWRENCE: Right-on post. I call it "excessive greed disorder," and it ought to be diagnosed as a dangerous MENTAL disease. Since persons susceptible go into banking (or military contracting, or that government revolving door syndrome) just as alcoholics may prefer to be bar-tenders, some diagnostic tools to offset this dangerous tendency ought to be deployed, although implementing that remedy now is rather like catching the bank robbers after they've had time to disburse the ill-begotten loot.
a trillion is a million million..
are we talking real money yet?
could the $500 bill be far behind??
the picture on the bill is:
william mckinley
i wonder who will adorn the 1k bill
r. raygun maybe
and the 100k bill
the boy george no doubt
ken
Common Dreams is serving as a propaganda mouthpiece for the elite establishment by posting Forbes articles. The underlying message is this: People should continue their passive role on the sidelines while the elites organize and re-organize their fundamentally flawed rackets that are "too big to fail".
Instead, the people should move their banking to their local credit unions after first organizing townhall meetings requiring the credit union management to explain why/how their strategy to remain "above the elite fray". The credit union managers should be engaged in a discussion of "the people's economics", i.e. a system which does not depend on the elites. For example, what are the requirements of regional/local banks that enable them to operate independently of central banks?
This will lead to a discussion about how really necessary are those larger infrastructure projects that require large capital flows. Freeways, factories, all of those things we really don't need. We don't need them because those large projects only appeal to the people's wants, particularly the elites' desires to identify themselves with something monstrous.
Example: We're far better off in a variety of ways with rail freight lines instead of freeway freight lines. Notice how the freeway requires five to ten times the resources as the rail, and thus the freeway requires oversized credit that is too big to stand on its own while rail requires credit that is just the right size to serve the people's needs. Actually no funny money is needed at all. Ultimately banks serve only as mirrors to remind the people to have confidence in themselves. Do we REALLY need the mirror?
In the context of the people's true economic needs, Casino Wall St. is seen as even more useless and destructive than it does in the elite propagandist's brightest light. Discuss it in a townhall meeting with your local small-time credit union management. Do it online and let the world see the transcript.
Consider shifting all of your banking to your local independent community credit union, to keep the political/economic power "down home" where it belongs.
Great ideas, rtdrury
To get things started how about a national credit card payment boycott just to let this bank mafia know who's boss?
We are. We are 150 million strong and we are not going to let these bank terrorists CEO's keep our country hostage. Their ill gotten gains have to be audited and returned. We are the citizen's union and we are going to call a national strike if they don't get transparent immediately.
TJ - out.
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
To hell with nationalizing the failues only, nationalize ALL the banks. Put people in there running them who don't have a history of bankrupting their industries and whole sectors of the economy, and let them run them for their half a million a year. No one is worth more than that anyway.
This whole idea of leaving the ultra greedy and the incompetent in charge of things is just unbelieveable. Don't WE end up getting fired when WE screw up? Why should those in the uppermost positions who caused this disaster in the first place be any different? Why should we be so worried about THEIR jobs when they have run all of ours off to foreign countries in the name of profits? Why should we CARE if the incompetent and ultra greedy have to lose their little butts? They have cost us ours, I think it's time THEY paid the price just like the rest of us have had to.
We have given Wall Street and the Banks a lot more "money" than is usually stated. The $350 billion we gave them outright (with $350 Billion more to come) is part of the other $7 trillion + they were given in "lending facilities" and guarantees of iffy financial instruments. Funny how that often that gets lost in the discussions. These people should all be in jail.
But they're too big to jail.
Let the banks crash. Stop bailing them out. Bailing them out only prolongs the torture.
Yeah let's buy up all the shit that we can find....(but it wont be your shit)
that will give the banks a reason to rip you off again!
The treasury should just give the money to each citizen equally and it would be the best "stimulus" ... and why did they take out the condom thing, anyway?
"...and why did they take out the condom thing, anyway?"
So the religious right can come back later and say, "See? You wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for us!"
:-D
"It might be better never to have been born."
"True, but how many of us can achieve that? (An old Jewish joke)
If we really believe in the "free market capitalism" then let these banks fail and go bankrupt. Oh but wait, they are "too big to fail," well in that case, let's make sure our banks or other industries don't get too big. And if at this point we can't allow them to fail, at least let the people who are bailing them out have some say in what these banks do and that should include who they hire to run them. Nationalize these failing banks.
I find it interesting that Obama wants to limit their CEO salaraies to $500k presuming that we can't find good CEO's to run efficient and profitable companies for less than that kind of money. Take a look at Costco. The CEO makes half of that and it's a very profitable and well managed company. That's just one example. So let's not fall for that whole nonsensical idea that good managers and CEO's won't have any incentive to work for less than $500k. Our prez works for less than that and he spent two or more years trying to get the job. I am sure we can find many able and willing people to run these nationalized banks.
In the Bankster world, the unspeakable definition of a good CEO is one who can make his/her bank too-big-to-fail so the government will tax its citizens to absorb its losses while the banksters continue to hand out massive $$$bonuses and create thousands of new, keep-your-mouth-shut buddy millionaires, at our expense.
It's a win-win for them and a lose-lose for the rest of us.
The first order of business should be is to kick out all those lying, banking CEO's that testified before congress. These CEO's gave them and their employess from $1,000.000.00 to $30,000,000.00 each in taxpayers $, from the bailout, in the form of year end bonuses ( oh, I forgot they are called RETENTION AWARDS ). You have to love it folks, what they are saying: we had to give out these RETENTION AWARDS, so we could retain the same crooks that stole the taxpayers bailout money!
Because SOMEONE has to go about the business of making loans, to homeowners and businesses, etc, even during the time of the bankruptcy procedure. Since the bankers have demonstrated themselves to be thieves, that leaves the government.
With all due respect to Roubini's intelligent analysis, the unspoken truth is that what we've got is monetary collapse due to a privately controlled debt-based currency subject to interest. The Fed is a private bank, why doesn't Roubini criticize ITS policies and suggest nationalizing IT? That would cut to the heart of the matter.
I suggest readers look at Richard Cook's rebuttal to Joseph Stiglitz. Stiglitz published an article on Alternet.org entitled, “Is the Entire Bailout Strategy Flawed? Let’s Rethink This Before It’s Too Late.” http://www.alternet.org/story/124166/. Cook posted a rebuttal on the Global Research site "Obama Bank Bailout: There is an Alternative" http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12181.
"The problem does not lie with the financial sector except that the debt-based monetary system acts as a parasite on the producing economy, resulting in the vast overhang of debt that can never be repaid." As I've posted before, the debt is constantly and irreversibly being multiplied by virtue of interest, so as long as our banking system is guided by a profit-demanding central bank, we're doomed. We need to eliminate interest from our monetary system (www.perfecteconomy.com).
Banks, after all, are only metaphorically an "industry", since they produce nothing. The policy of focussing on the financial sector in this crisis is misguided, Cook argues, since "[t]he idea that a deregulated financial sector should be given precedence over all the other economic sectors is the essence of the supply-side, trickle-down philosophy that began during the Reagan years and has catastrophically failed."
Cook goes on to debunk the assertion that we've got a credit crisis and argues forcefully for the need to re-establish permanent domestic industry. This is the heart of necessary long-term economic planning that is, so far, not even being discussed. What we have is a production crisis. The bulk of our manufacturing has been exported. The workforce cannot live within its means if it has no means.
Great article by Cook.
Been a long time lurker on Common Dreams and finally decided to sign up...and I am proud to make this post the first I have responded to.
The thoughts expressed by "Jim Eldon" were precisely the ones that were running through my mind as I read the story.
An economy predicated on mass amounts of the population being in perpetual debt simply can not survive. Why any government, with it's citizens best interests at heart, would turn over the creation of it's currency to private interests is beyond me.
More people need to be discussing this aspect of the economic meltdown.
Whenever I think about what's happening in the world's economies I'm always taken back to this quote from Thomas Jefferson, and I think how sad it is that no one listened.
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Thomas Jefferson in the debate over The Re-charter of the Bank Bill (1809).
Sioux Rose
JIM E: Excellent post.
I remember economic writers here in Canada several years ago all claiming Canadian Banks too conservative and that unless Canada wanted to be shut out of the world of International banking and high finance our Governmnets needed to de-regulate the industry and our banks needed to get more aggressive in order to play with the big boys.
So far (knock on wood) The Canadian Banks remain secure.
Conservatism is not ALWAYS a bad word.
That all said, we still need a fundamental rethink of the economic system from the bottom up.
Are you defining "conservative" as equal to "honest?" That's a strange equation.
Nouriel Roubini is correct in using the big "I" word. Insolvency is a much more serious concept than the one we started the bail outs with last year. If we are to fully accept that we are talking about insolvency, then we need to fully accept that what we are currently doing is more of a band aid approach that may not go far enough.
And I think we need to admit that the corporate response to being bailed out is underwhelming. Goldman Sachs gets a 7 billion pound bail out in the UK as they invest 6 billion in bonuses and pay raises. AIG gets a bail out and buys a spa and goes on an expensive hunting vacation. Wells Fargo gets a bail out and makes a reservation at expensive Las Vegas hotels for a convention. Then we find out taxpayers in the bail out were overcharged in taking on corporate debt by $78 billion. Then we find out the Merrill Lynch heard ahead of time that they were going to be bought out, so the executives who were responsible for that corporations near bankruptcy made sure bonuses were secured before the company was sold.
I think it is clear that no matter how we propose to bail out these guys, we have to admit that we are dealing with a weaselly gang of sociopaths. If we are talking about more than a band aid approach to insolvency, especially if it means restructuring instead of rebooting the same old, same old corrupt system, why not remove the people directly responsible for the economic collapse? Nationalization might work over the shorterm, as proposed by Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman. It would provide a better situation to set new directions.
May I add: A VERY VERY WEALTHY "weasily gang of sociopaths" and getting wealthier by the minute.
Unfortunately the US Congress and US Federal Reserve keep giving US taxpayers' money to the "weasily gang of sociopaths" carte blanche, and encouraging them to create more banks that are too big to fail, thereby rationalizing the squandering of more bailout money. Most people don't even know about the $2.5 trillion the US Federal Reserve has handed over to the "weasily gang of sociopaths"
Even if Obama's stimulus package was for $10 trillion, it would not offset the on-going damage caused by the cozy relationship between the US Gov. and the deregulated financial industry.
Every day that Obama fails to re-regulate the financial industry further weakens the economy.