Israel Rejects Truce Calls, Presses on With Gaza Offensive
"The cabinet decided to continue with the military operation," a senior government official told AFP after a six-hour meeting of the country's security cabinet.
"We did not launch the Gaza operation only to end it with the same rocket firing that we had at its start," he quoted Prime Minister Ehud Olmert as saying.
"If the conditions are ripe and we think that they might offer a solution that will guarantee a better security reality in the south then we would weigh the issue. We are not there yet."
Amid mushrooming protests around the globe , world diplomats have been scrambling to find a way to halt one of Israel's deadliest-ever offensives on Gaza that has so far killed at least 390 Palestinians.
Hamas for its part blasted international truce proposals as unbalanced, with spokesman Fawzi Barhum saying they "put the executioner and the victim on equal footing."
"All Arab and international intervention must focus on stopping the aggression, lifting the blockade and opening all border crossings," he said.
Israel has warned that what Defence Minister Ehud Barak has called an "all-out war" on Hamas could last for weeks, and has for days massed tanks and personnel on the border of the territory, warning of a ground incursion.
"Our ground forces are still deployed around the Gaza Strip and are ready to go in if given the order," an army spokeswoman told AFP on Wednesday.
Israel also gave the green light for the call-up of 2,500 reservists, in addition to the more than 6,500 authorised earlier in the week.
Israeli jets continued to hammer Hamas targets throughout Gaza, carrying out dozens of strikes overnight and on Wednesday against Hamas government offices, weapons storage facilities and tunnels used to smuggle contraband, the military said.
Since it was launched on Saturday, the Israeli offensive has killed at least 390 people, including 42 children, and wounded more than 1,900 others, according to Gaza medics.
At least 25 percent of those killed have been civilians, the United Nations said.
But the massive Israeli bombardment has failed to stop the rocket fire, with militants firing more than 30 rockets alone on Wednesday morning, causing damage and light wounds.
Since late on Tuesday, Hamas's armed wing sent five rockets slamming around the desert town of Beersheva some 40 kilometres (24 miles) from the Gaza border -- the deepest its projectiles have reached inside Israel yet.
Since the start of the Israeli onslaught, Gaza militants have fired more than 250 rockets into Israel, killing three civilians and one soldier and wounding several dozen people.
Hamas has also threatened to carry out suicide attacks inside Israel for the first time since January 2005.
As protests were held in countries from the United States to Iran, diplomatic efforts gathered pace to stop the violence.
On Wednesday the prime minister of Israel's top Muslim ally Turkey condemned the offensive as "ruthless" and again called for a halt before the "dangerous developments" lead to "irreversible developments in the region."
"The attacks on Gaza should stop immediately and a permanent ceasefire should be urgently secured to prevent irreversible developments in the region," Recep Tayyip Erdogan told reporters in Ankara as he began a regional tour for talks on the crisis.
The Arab League met in Cairo in emergency session, and its chief Amr Mussa called for Hamas and the rival Fatah faction of Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas to hold an "immediate" reconciliation meeting.
The bombardment has raised concern about the humanitarian situation in Gaza, a tiny, aid-dependent territory of 1.5 million which Israel has virtually sealed off since Hamas seized power in June 2007.
"Gaza's hospitals are facing their largest ever trauma caseloads under some of the most adverse conditions imaginable," said UN humanitarian coordinator Maxwell Gaylard.
Israel opened one of its crossings into Gaza again on Wednesday, allowing more than 100 truckloads of goods to pass, the army said. A total of 179 truckloads and 10 ambulances have been delivered since Gaza bombardment began, it said.
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Show AllIt is interesting and sad to note that so little of the carnage that goes on in the occupation ever gets into the press. Condoleezza Rice tells us that it is Hamas that is responsible for the suffering of the Palestinian peoples. It makes me want to scream! I am so heartened by those, especially the Jews, involved in standing up against the Israeli war machine. A lot of us know that it is a clear case of the abused growing up to abuse. Israelis, American Jews and all those supporting the horrid atrocities heaped upon the Palestinians and so many others that are just in the wrong place at the wrong time, enduring strip and CAVITY searches, demolition and confiscation of homes and lands with little to no warning, brutal beatings and humiliations, should be ashamed. It is genocide and apartheid, and the fact that it is all coming from a so called civilized country is the shame of the world. We should all be working to end this cycle of abuse. The Israeli government needs intensive mind-altering therapy at the hands of the free world, so they can somehow be made to see walls and force don't work. They don't work when raising children, and they don't work on the adult world either. How much better positive reinforcement would work. Try ending occupation and opening up the borders. The Palestinians presently have NOTHING to lose, living like lost souls in a police state, hell on Earth, so why should they care about provoking more Israeli insane armed force? Hamas is a direct result of the Israeli government, America and all those that support the Israeli Government in this holocaust after holocaust. I pray Obama can help and bring this all to an end. Just maybe this present war is the perfect timely mass-consciousness-created inspiration for the NEW US GOVERNMENT to take proper decisive action finally. It is not about Israel protecting itself, but rather the lack of necessary healing of a great people suffering a tragic wound left over from WWII atrocities, for surely no free government would act as such without underlaying pain of momentous proportions. Israeli lobbyists and intimidation of the world media aside, certainly the free world would not close it's eyes to the Israeli Occupation without a phenomenal sense of guilt for what the Jews endured during WWII.
.........Do you really think that we are being left to our own demise? We are on this Earth, in this dimension, for only a short time. There is great interest and support coming through from inside the spiritual realms, the source from which all life springs. Just as the greed inspired economic and financial systems are falling, so will "it" all fall away, no matter the deception and covert efforts extended in it's support. Israel will cease to exist, if this does not end soon. Just watch what spirit will do to this end. The world is in travail. All will be born anew and we are so fortunate to be here watching it happen. This is not flowery crap, it is science.
New Years Revolution.
http://www.coalitionoftheilling.com
This assault on Gaza is not about Hamas rockets--it's about the power struggle between Likud and Kadima. So, in order for Livni and Barak to appeal to the voters, hundreds of Palestinians have to die, thousands must be mutilated, and the civilian infrastructure must be destroyed? Even after the inevitable cease fire, the occupation of the West Bank, illegal settlements, and the seige of Gaza will continue. And the Israeli public supposedly needs this carnage to decide whom to vote for? Jews did not just lose their lives and land in the holocaust--they lost their souls and conscience.
Of course...would anyone expect differently? Israel has done as it pleases for too many years and always with the support of the US. Oh, poor little Israel...so misunderstood. The Nazis of the Middle East.
With the new year here, wouldn't it be great if the leaders of the US, Israel and the rest of the world treat every human life as equally important and deserving (with the possible exception of cheney)? I am constantly sickened to hear that one American or Israeli life is more important than that of any other country. We need to stop our ignorance and arrogance, but I believe we are too igorant and arrogant to do so.
Thank you, Visionquest. It would also be nice if posters on sites such as these would set an example. How can people expect more of their governments than they do of themselves?
Peace.
PROPAGANDA WARNING!!!
I'm not sure that you all are aware of the "cyber-propaganda wing" of the IDF- here is a brief article on it, as well as on IsraHelli spying on the US.
BTW: NEXT STOP FOR THE ZIONIST IMPERIALISTS IS IRAN- WE HAVE BEEN WARNED
As the Palestinians are fighting a decisive war on the ground, we must now fight a decisive war on the metaphoric airwaves. As you may have noticed, this newswire is under constant attack of Zionist agents such as seymore, Mmagot and qvh. These people are probably paid PR agents as they spend a lot of time doing this. Far more than can be justified if they were neutral observers or even rabid followers. Their purpose is to poison this Oasis of information.
They already dominate the print and news media, as well as indirect control of youtube (through the ADL partnership) but they don't yet have control of your mind. IsraHell is now spending an unprecidented amount of resources fighting the information war as they know they are losing in terms of people's opinions. Its time we turn their tools of PR against them.
http://www.giyus.org/
I strongly suggest not clicking the above link, but copy and pasting it into a new window as your browser may reveal the referring link, alerting GIYUS of who you are, possibly banning you.
This is the so-called Megaphone program, they send instructions to their "information warriors" to attack sites like this one. These guys are quite low level, but their numbers flood a site making it seem like they have the dominant opinion and flooding out the signal with noise. Luckily for us, our enemy is stupid as this program makes no distinction of friend or foe. Use this to locate sites that are under attack and retaliate.
They also have another useful forum. This contains their so called "talking points" which they cut and paste:
http://forum.giyus.org/smf/
Study these talking points, they will be easy to counter because we are morally and logically in the right. This war is quite easy to win, we have the numbers and our position is much easier to defend. Their position is trivial to attack. The only question is, can we be as organised as them in our retaliation?
PT ISRAEL BLACKMAILS THE US
Israel, purportedly our friend, has been spying on us all. And we're not talking about individual spooks like Jonathan Pollard, or small-time networks such as the 140 Israelis arrested by the FBI prior to 9/11, or the 60 arrested since (including 5 arrested who were cheering and celebrating as the World Trade Towers collapsed).
It turns out that Israel has had a potential wiretap on every phone in America for years, along with the ability to monitor and record who any person is calling, anywhere in America; information of great value even if one does not listen to the calls themselves. Amdocs, Inc. the company which sub contracts billing and directory services for phone companies around the world, including 90 percent of American phone companies, is owned by Israeli interests. Yet another company, Comverse Infosys, is suspected of having built a "back door" into the equipment permanently installed into the phone system that allows instant eavesdropping by law enforcement agencies on any phone in America. This includes yours.
Concerns about allowing an Israeli company such intimate access to the infrastructure go back many years. As reported by Fox News, the Israeli company Amdocs was implicated in the leaking of police phone data that resulted in the collapse of on investigation into a massive drug and credit card fraud operation with Israeli connections.
In a telling repeat of the Los Angeles drug case, investigators looking into the attacks on the World Trade Towers are again reporting that confidential telephone information is again being leaked in a manner that is interfering with the investigations. Again, Amdocs was implicated.
Not content with the phones of ordinary citizens in the United States, evidence has surfaced that Israel compromised the telephone systems at the highest levels of the US Government.
may there be an end to all suffering
Giyus, MEGAPHONE and Hasbara, sigh! These Zionist supporters really are rabid aren't they.
Now, I want you all to stop and think for a minute of the full ramifications of this. Israeli interests have the ability to listen in on ANY phone in America connected to any of the systems used by Amdocs or Comverse Infosys. They have had this ability for several years. They can listen in and track the phone calls made by anyone's phone, whether police officer, elected official, media talking head, editor, policy setter, news mogul, even the President of the United States. The Ken Starr report on Whitewater describes how Bill Clinton warned Monica Lewinsky that a foreign government was tapping their phone calls.
Few indeed are the people in America who do not have something to hide. That insider trade, the brief but torrid affair, the stolen votes, the deliberate smear, the role one played in an assassination, the acceptance of money from drug runners to look the other way. Be honest. Is there a skeleton in your closet you hope will stay there? Something nobody knows about? Well, if that skeleton involved a phone call, someone may know about it. Amdocs and Comverse Infosys. And their Israeli owners.
Just think about it for a moment. Everyone's private phone traffic, right up to the President, potentially visible to Israeli interests. And you cannot find the phone taps or bugs because they are built right into the phone system!
Suddenly, a lot of events which have puzzled observers start to make sense.
Like the way the US vetoed the UN resolution calling for peace in Palestine, despite being the only 1 out of 15 voting nations to have voted against the measure. The USA gained nothing by this veto. But Israel did.
Over the last few weeks, the people of the United States have seen a great deal of evidence pointing the finger of blame for 9/11 at Osama bin Laden and Arabs in general, evidence which is circumstantial, often self-contradictory, and in some cases faked. Yet as was reported in the news, evidence also exists linking many of the arrested Israeli spies (some of whom worked for the Israeli telecom companies above) with the events of 9/11. Yet this evidence is NOT being broadcast endlessly on the news. In fact, this evidence is CLASSIFIED. Someone has "persuaded" the US Government and the media that the American people are ONLY supposed to see the evidence that points a certain direction, and must never see any evidence that points someplace else. Likewise, the media has been "persuaded" not to report evidence that Israel knew of the 9/11 attacks ahead of time. The foreign press has outright accused the Mossad of taking part in the 9/11 attacks but the American media have been "persuaded" not to cover these accusations.
It was well known that there was an Israeli spy inside the Clinton White House. But Clinton ordered the FBI to cease searching for the mole, code-named "Mega". It is now known that "Mega" was not just Mossad spy but top Mossad agent in America. The cancellation of the hunt for "Mega" occurred at the same time Clinton warned Monica Lewinsky that their phone conversations were being recorded. This strongly suggests that Clinton was "persuaded" to call off the FBI's hunt for "Mega" with the threat of a recorded phone sex session being made public.
Because of the purported links between Muslims and the attacks on the World Trade Towers, the US Government has been shutting down all Muslin linked charities in the USA. But the Chairman of the Jewish Defense League, a group with a violent history, was arrested recently in a plot to bomb a US congressman. But the US Government has been "persuaded" not to take actions against Jewish charities, while the media has been "persuaded" to allow the story of hard evidence of JDL terrorism to fade away as quickly as possible.
Two Mossad agents were arrested with dynamite inside the Mexican Congress.
may there be an end to all suffering
padmasambhava. Nice posts! Factual. Erudite you are. Why I read the darn things. And "may there be an end to all suffering," how kind, and what a fine hope. Happy New Year. I too know 9-11 was not perpetrated by Arabs, but rather by those who insured the WTC's against terrorism with German insurers two months before the attacks, but rather by those who set up ahead of time to film the impacts, but rather by those who made it possible for the Towers to fall at free fall speed into their own footprints....
Physics and facts, not disinformation and obfuscation. As you noted, the truth has it's own undeniable weight.
Considering that Israel is stolen property and so as a rogue state has no right to exist. I think it's about time this fascist pretend nation is declared globally as an illegal terrorist enclave and it's religion which advocates genocide for land theft - Judeaism - deemed a dangerous cult to be erradicated for the well being of all the other life forms on Earth. Quite simply the Ashkenazi zionist fascists imagining they are Jews have worn out their welcome on this planet. As long as Eastern European psychotic invaders of Palestine contine their theft of others' country, those who identify as Jewish shall remain legitimate targets anywhere they go on Earth.
Sigh, it looks we are being invaded by BOTH Zionists and Nazis. Go away BOTH of you! The goal of the humanistic progressive left movement of which CD is a part is to change bad Israelis government policy, period, end of story. Far right wing hate has no part in this movement, shame! Are you Nazis jealous of the vile Zionists megaphone and did you create one of your own? Sigh!
Agree. What is the difference between a Zionist and a Nazi anyway?
Naomi Klein's husband, Avi Lewis did some work for Aljazeera during the American election - the pieces are all on youtube. It was amusing all the comments about Aljazeera being anti-Jew when the video in question featured a host with two Jewish parents and a Jewish wife! This is Avi commenting on the Israel lobby in the US for Aljazeera:
Inside USA - Lobbying for Israel - 05 April 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOvdQ7vPLn0&feature=channel_page
Avi Lewis and Naomi Klein - a couple both the Zionists and Nazis can hate together.
Good post, thanks!
Avi Lewis used to produce an excellent news/current affairs program called "On The Map" for CBC (Canada) - but his program, which was to resume in late 2007 was mysteriously canceled, with no explanation offered whatsoever. No loss for him, as he moved on to Aljazeera, but it was probably an example of the reach of certain powerful interests even in Canada!
Highintel: Can we do better?
The Conservatives keep threatening to sell the CBC - and they definitely were not happy with Avi. Many of the "On the Map" episodes are on Youtube.
bligh4
Ajada, does that cover the little jewish girl that is staying with my daughter tonight to make her feel better after oral surgery?
Wow. "Stormfront" would be proud to publish many of the posters on this board. Anti-Semetic doesn't even cover it- more like genocidal Jew hatred. Of course, "progressives" don't give a crap as long as hate is directed against politically correct targets.
Let me try- "JEWS CAUSE EARTHQUAKES!"....No, don't feel any better.
Josef Goebbels must be smiling somewhere. The far left is now the far right. Way to go.
Israelis are criminal horde of usurpers on the loose with “Book of Fairytales for the dispossessed” in one hand and “Hollywood's Propaganda Manual” in other.
Sounds like pasek007 has been fed the continual lies spewed by the arab terrorists. The facts are the arab terrorists have been shooting rockets into Israel for several years killing and injuring Israeli civilians. It's long past due for Israel to snuff out these islamists. If the arab settlers (the "Palestinian's") wish to remain in the land of the Hebrew people, then the arab settlers need to be peaceful and comply with the laws of the civilized world. Note, the Palestinians have no historical claim to the land they occupy. They are not indigenous to the area. The blame, my anti-Semitic friend, lies with Hamas and it's terrorist agenda. Let me ask you a question. If your children were being shot at and killed by someone, wouldn't you take action to stop the killing? That's what Israel is doing.
Hey spkat57, nice to meet you, you new to Common Dreams? Cause I never seen your screen-name. Kinda seems like once the slaughter in Gaza started, this assault on the web commenced, losing the PR war are you?
I am not anti-Semitic. Palestine is a beautiful country though, and occupied by Jews who attack anyone who thinks Arabs are human beings. Well they are. Dehumanizing people is requisite though if one is to kill them and feel good? There are historical precedents for this.....You say they have "no historical claim to the land they occupy," well gosh Sir, you contradict yourself, how did they come to occupy it? For how many generations?
Delete the words "they occupy" from your ludicrous claim and it will work better for you.
Viva La Israel & Viva La Palestine!
spkatz57 very interesting “continual lies spewed by the Arab terrorists” I didn’t know that politicians, UN diplomats, Red Cross, historians, Nobel Prize winners, Humanitarian aid organisations are Arab terrorists.
spkatz57 version “The facts are the Arab terrorists have been shooting rockets into Israel for several years killing and injuring Israeli civilians” where did you hide before the last several years?? on the “Dark Side of the Moon” For your information you missed 60 years of action, genocide, multiple Israeli pre-emptive wars with all of it neighbouring countries, Palestine land grab owned by them not for centuries but for millenniums, murdering Palestinian families and children. If you have any logic left in your head then you must agree with me and call SS and Wermaht “Angels” they shot 10 for 1 of his own not like Israelis 100’s for 1.
spkatz57 version of history “If the Arab settlers (the "Palestinian's") wish to remain in the land of the Hebrew people” “They are not indigenous to the area” explain to me who was living on the land in question before the first Hebrews invasion. Must be the subgroup of monkeys called Palestino-sapiens. (Sorry to all Palestinians this is only an expression).
spkatz57 I am sorry. Did you hit your head to hard against Western Wall “the Arab settlers need to be peaceful and comply with the laws of the civilized world” You call torture, genocide, murder, 60 years of occupation, killing children’s, building Warsaw Ghetto type Wall, denying medical supply’s, ramming ships, withholding food a “laws of the civilized world” sorry I thing no one is able to help you the damage to your brain exceeding current medical know-how.
As for your hypothetical question. “Let me ask you a question. If your children were being shot at and killed by someone, wouldn't you take action to stop the killing” Yes I will develop a DNA biological weapon which will change the structure of all Israelis brains to obey 10 commandments.
Regards Moshe
"It's long past due for Israel to snuff out these islamists"
Are you proposing a "final solution" to the Arab "problem" there Spkatz? You might want to rethink that the last time an eliminatanist agenda was enacted it didn't work out too well for your people did it?
BTW the rantings of extremist "greater Israel" desiring spatz is to me the perfect example of the dangerous derangement religion causes. Atheism now!
Actually, "Israel" is the terrorist nation. While there are things I disagree with Hamas on, it is very understandable why they feel what they are doing is self-defense. But the Israeli terrorism is the bigger problem and the one we need to concentrate on and stop as a world community.
Wow! How did You get this to work? I tried similar things,
but I was less fortunate. And thanks for the info.
The sad thing is that we had that before in history. Seems
that nothing else will 'convince' the Jewish people, than
a revival of the past to show them the mirror.
Native son:
Like always brilliantly stated. And let's not forget the Genocide
on the Hawai'ian people. Their Kingdom is equally occupied
by the worst Caucasians have to offer. They took away Hawai'ian
land, they polluted it with their military arrogance and stripped
Hawai'ians of their dignity.
You are absolutely right. The time is just around the corner,
where Karma will fix the wrongs of the most oppressive 'Nations'
on the Blue Planet.
Free Earth from Militarism/Fascism
May all Beings be blessed.
Certain Restrictions And Limitations May Apply.
I never forget the Native Hawaiians, in fact served in the USMC with some of them, as well as Samoans, and Maori from New Zealand. Like all Native people, we may have been in a minority but the USMC, accepts you on "merit", "if you earn it, you get it, if you don't--- don't even think about asking"....which is what all of America should emulate. The "Kahunas" have never lost their dignity, and they have kept most of their culture intact.
If the culture in the USA were actually a 'meritocracy' I don't believe that the USA would have experienced even a few of its problems---- but it is not---and never has been, except for small "fringe" organizations like the USMC.
Which is not to be confused with one very important reality---the USA could become a 'meritocracy' almost overnight.
I speak often of the "two dozen decent Americans"---which is something of an "off handed compliment" ----there are many more than just "two dozen"---just not enough of them seem to want to have a voice, so they are "silent".
On the "meritocracy', if GW Bush had been forced to rise to his position through 'merit', how many problems would the USA and the world have had someone been chosen as a leader who had "merit'? So what is the solution?
MAKE it a "meritocracy", and start by seeing that the people who have been so destructive and acted in a criminal manner, 'answer to the people'--, and the world for their many crimes.
I recently contacted the email site started by 'countcoup', and nurembergrevisited@gmail.com.
They are not asking for money (very refreshing) and are looking for more participation by others and most importantly, unlike so many here making postings on CD and other (me included) they do not claim to "have the answers"---they are seeking suggestions on the answers.......also very refreshing.
So this is to the "two dozen decent Americans"------it certainly can't hurt to send a suggestion or two, or just a line to say "hey, keep on keeping on".....
And if you have the answer, then you should share it.
Add your voice to a growing number, and the volume will go up accordingly.
Thanks to all of you readers who put up with so much of my "discontent"...
Have a happy 2009 A.D.--C.E.
Or if you are a "blood" (NatAm)---have a Happy 517 P.C. (post contact)
Another thing.
Hollywood has released at least 4 Nazi themed movies in the last 2 months.
A coincidence I am sure, but the idea that only jews know suffering is really getting tired.
Its as if non jews didnt suffer under the Nazis.
[Long before his 50th birthday, he had headed the World Zionist Organization and served as speaker of the country's Parliament.
But four years ago Burg not only walked away from politics. He pretty much walked away from Zionism. In a book that came out last year, and has just been translated and released in the United States, he said Israel should not be a Jewish state, that its law of return granting citizenship to any Jew should be radically altered, that Israeli Arabs were like German Jews during the Second Reich and that, in fact, the entire society felt eerily like Germany just before the rise of Hitler.--Ethan Bronner, "How a Zionist in Israel went from leader to scourge," International Herald Tribune, December 19, 2008]
[He notes that museums devoted to the Jewish Holocaust have sprouted up across the West. And that the North American native peoples and the non-Jews who suffered under the Nazis are not deserving of the same reverence, that their suffering is somehow less tragic. We must deny the concept of the Holocaust even if the most fantastic inventions of Wiesel were abolutely true. The technical discussions of how many Jews died, and how they died, are perfectly legitimate but superfluous--Eric Walberg, "Book Review: 'Masters of Discourse' by Israel Shamir," axisoflogic.com, December 22, 2008]
When the Holocaust memorial in this Country opened, years ago, a friend of mine who is a Jew, called and asked me why there was not one to the Native Peoples of the Americas. My reply: because our holocaust is not over and the Jew's is.
Now my one question to so many Americans who support Israel is "if you believe that the Jews deserve a Nation why not Us". We can show our antiquity, beyond a shadow of a doubt, without a "book" with dubious origins, and an antiquity that has been recognized by scholars the world over; whereas the Jewish antiquity cannot be established beyond the Hellenistic era.
The only answer is ; we do not have a huge group of fanatical Christians who are willing to throw vast sums of money at us, and work very hard for us like they do to keep the Jews in the status they now have. Like the Jews the Americans would rather keep illegal possession of their territorial jurisdiction, and maintaining an illegal war of aggression against the inhabitants who can prove their antiquity. Of course the USA is in the same status as the Israelis, i.e. illegal possession of 60% of their territory, but most Americans that are informed of this fact, have the courage or integrity to even speak of it, much less do something.
But like the Jews, who have proven to the world that they are not worthy of their status as a "nation", they have a history, as far back as the Roman era anyway; for not keeping their word in treaties. The USA is somewhat in a corner. They also are illegally possessing a territory, they do not keep their word on treaties, and they will engage in illegal wars of aggression on the soil of others; using the lame excuse of preemptive attack for self protection.
If you are an American you think that you cannot be touched here and you can do what you wish as a Nation, and you, collectively, "flip the finger" at everyone else. If you are an Israeli you think the dame thing (or at least act like it) and then rely on that big 'bastard' across the Atlantic there, for support and "the big stick".
Both of you are dead wrong, and only time will show you---and much too late----that you are all fools, and dangerous ones at that, and do not deserve to have a nation; because you 'don't play well with others', 'you lie, almost as a national pastime', you do not 'keep your promises', and you take pride on being the worlds biggest thief, in fact it is almost a 'national brag'---and "it ain't braggin if you can do it"------------
Both the USA and Israel are living on borrowed time; and when the note comes due; you will lose it all, and your children will be left to pay your debts.
The world cannot possibly be willing to tolerate much more of either the USA or Israel.
Good Luck to both, you really need it.
NativeSon, you have a very wise friend. The Residential School System has been described as a form of cultural genocide by Phil Fontaine (Chief of the Assembly of First Nations) - as well as other First Nation, Metis and Inuit leaders. This is for you:
Jack Layton: Apology to the survivors of residential school
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVAxVhnqTaw
Transcript
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=39&Ses=2&DocId=356889...
QUOTE-LAYTON: It was this Parliament that enacted, 151 years ago, the racist legislation that established the residential schools. This Parliament chose to treat first nations, Métis and Inuit people as not equally human. It set out to kill the Indian in the child. That choice was horribly wrong. It led to incredible suffering. It denied first nations, Métis and Inuit the basic freedom to choose how to live their lives. For those wrongs that we have committed, we are truly sorry. / However, reconciliation must be built through positive steps that show respect and restore trust. This apology must not be an end; it must be a beginning.
QUOTE-FONTAINE: Brave survivors, through the telling of their painful stories, have stripped white supremacy of its authority and legitimacy. The irresistibility of speaking truth to power is real. Today is not the result of a political game. Instead, it is something that shows the righteousness and importance of our struggle. We know we have many difficult issues to handle. There are many fights still to be fought. What happened today signifies a new dawn in the relationship between us and the rest of Canada. We are and always have been an indispensable part of the Canadian identity.
Inside USA - The Native American voting block - 01 Mar 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTvD7c-Qkrw
Human rights is the same issue whether one is talking about the Jews during the Holocaust, the Palestinians of Gaza or the First Nations of North America. What we are looking at in Gaza is on the verge of becoming a genocide.
I take it that you are referring to the apology made in Canada. What do you have to say about the legal action against 75-year old David Ahenakew, former National Chief of the Assembly of First Nations and 'Order of Canada' recipient, for making 'anti-semitic' comments in 2002? He had already apologized, was convicted, fined, the 'Order of Canada' stripped, but the second trial started in November 2008, over the same incident in 2002. I guess that should send a message to any uppity Canadians out there, eh?
Highintel: Can we do better?
Native Son: I came across this in a book this morning and thought of you. It's reputed to be a Cree prophecy:
"Only when the last tree is cut down
Only after the last river has been poisoned
Only after the last fish has been caught
Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten"
The world will NOT tolerate much more...
what an injustice and a shame that the u.s. gov shows more allegiance to a people who have no historical/antiquity or connection to the continent.............
By copying what the Nazis did to them, the Zionists have admitted that they are war criminals. Any time any of them leave the State of Israel, they should be arrested and taken to The Hague for their trials and punishment. The samme should go for the US citizens and politicians who have enabled this atrocity. This includes the Presidents, Vice Presidents, Congressspeople and Senators. Hang the whole lot. They are trying to exterminate an entire people, most of whom are under the age of 15.
Kitty Lady
Not only a good idea but how did you get an animated gif to show up here? Good trick, I like it!
Yes, boycott goods from Israel is a good idea---but so is STOP U.S. FUNDING OF ISRAEL. We are paying for the guns and bombs that are killing the people of Palestine. We are paying for the tanks and planes and the apartheid wall.
Why is this? Why do more of our federal funds go to Isreal per capita than go to our citizens here in the United States. Why do Bush and Obama both say we will fight for the defense of Israel? Israel is not our ally. Israel attacked the USS Liberty and said it was just a little mistake.
wantrealdemocracy?
Why? Because the Israeli Lobby, AIPAC, and American Jewish voters make up such a well organized and well funded bloc. And because all U.S. politician know if they buck this they will be "targeted for defeat" in their next elections. This will take the form of attacks in the media and heavy funding for their pro-Israel opponents.
I personally was shocked to learn that "1,000" Israeli lobbyists flooded the U.S. Congress and D.C. several months ago when Cheney was pushing for an attack on Iran. Cheney and the Lobbyists came very close. It should be illegal for foreign government to do this.
Why should any of you be surprised ? The zionists running Israel have strong support from the US, EU, and the corrupt dictators in the neighboring Arab nations so they are "free" to carry on their AMORAL ways. I'm telling you. Either hold all of them accountable because they're all guilty or prepare yourself for more mounting tragedies.
Terrance Mitchell
Redfield, South Dakota
Jews are not stupid so what is the Jewish Poster Child Israel doing ??????
Or has anyone figured out yet ---- "Why do they hate us" ????????????????
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Jews consists of 0.02% of the World’s population.
Islam consists of 23% of the World’s population.
How can Jews or ANYONE think that 0.02% of the World’s population killing 23% of the World’s population at will is acceptable ?
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The Jewish "Poster Child" Israel with 250 NUKES the 4th strongest Military in the World created by the USA seems to be just “completely” out of control with a "Biblical" craving for massive revenge !!!
First it was Lebanon where Millions of Cluster Bomblets were dropped in the last hours of the "conflict" when a truce was all but signed in 2006.!!!!!!!!
Then Jews created the World's largest open air prison in Gaza where it has reduced the population to survive by eating grass -- there is/was no way in or out -- there is/were targeted assassinations -- bombs at any time -day or night -- continual non stop terror 24/7 .
A Warsaw type Ghetto situation being "allowed" and supported and paid for by US Taxpayers in 2007 and 2008 !!!
Continued requests by the elected Palestinian Government (HAMAS) for a peaceful solution were dismissed out of hand by Israel and as a protest Palestinians continued to send their "home made" rockets into Israel in response to let the World know that in 2007--2008 there was this atrocity taking place -- "allowed", supported and paid for by US Taxpayers !!!
Shamefully it says a lot for the USA and its 80% Christians who have supported Israeli Nazi Zionist tactics for over 60 YEARS !!
The hypocrisy of Americans and Jews is shameful and shows their near total "ignorance" fed them by the US media as in the lead up to the US "War" in Iraq !!!
To really help Jews and Israel in its search for “peace” the USA must stop giving Israel $10 Billion of American Taxpayer dollars every year!!!!
The only solution is to educate the American masses --Jews especially - via personal contact and the Internet ----to explain clearly how and why a Jewish solution is necessary -- Jews have to admit that they are not "chosen" but regular humans and rejoin "humankind" ASAP !!!
http://petras.lahaine.org
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm
Of course they reject a truce. They're in killing mode!
Yeah, those brave members from the IDF, completely safe in their American F16s and Apache helicopters, just keep dropping bombs and firing missiles at the defenseless people below. I wonder do they play music while they do it? Or do they bob?
It's like taking a shotgun into the hen house and blasting away at the poultry, taking them down, three or four at a time. Takes a lot of courage to do that, eh?
Fanatics have fun! Shame about the innocents below.
www.dangerouscreation.com
Seems there are only a few options here.
If the world will do nothing to stop the Genocide on the Palestinian
people, they will be all but gone soon. Exterminated like a pest
by the 'real master race'.
Palestinian suicide bombers take as much 'masters' with them as
possible, which will inevitable lead to the same result. No more
Palestinians.
Knowing the American bush doctrine of preemptive nuclear strikes
the Palestinian people might pray for a preemptive nuclear strike
against their fascist oppressors. That way the 'master race' is gone,
the territory of the Palestinian people will be uninhabitable for
generations to come and thus be safe from further Israeli annexation.
Explainable but very disturbing that the Jews, that were the target once
of extermination in Europe resort to the same practice in Palestine.
Those guys should know better, actually, as the boomerang of
terror always returns to the thrower.
May all Beings be blessed. Some Restrictions And Limitations May Apply.
I found an interesting and unique article on Electronic Intifada today and am recommending it. "When Do We Stop Sitting Shiva For the Holocast?" from November, 2007. It is very relevant, right now.
The sociopathic, absolutely self-righteous and single-minded truculence of the government of Israel-- and its supporters and defenders-- in the face of a vast plurality of just criticism, is bubbling acid poured into the wound.
Salt is too mild and tame for this context.
· Yr Obd't Servant
Look at the picture of the poor little toddler and his mother. How sad. Israelis are the ultimate child abusers and should be charged with crimes against humanity for injuring and killing children.
According to one source I've read, Gaza's population is 60% children under the age of 16.
No wonder they keep firing firecrackers in a vain attempt to survive.
If true, we are witness to another holicaust in the making. What's worse, we are paying for it with our tax dollars.
The bushmonkey's crazy born again religion has dammned us all.
Hell of a new year, huh?
ByeMonkeyBush:You have a nice way with words. I look forward to your new screen name.
The US government can "make" Israel stop. It's up to us, Americans, to demand that our government stop enabling Israel. We need to demand our government stop the occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan also. It's all connected. I'm low on stamina, and as Ali Abunimah said in his title, "out of words", but as I recharge my inner batteries, and physical ones, I say "thanks" and Happy New Year to all Americans of good will, all activists no matter how big or small the work, and all the people of the world...Arundhati Roy pointed out a couple of years ago in a speech, that the rest of the world can't (so far)make the US government get out of Iraq, it's up to the people in the U.S. She has a point. The U.S. policy in the region is a mess. So, have a good New Year's holiday as can....there's no holiday from suffering. Refresh, regroup and let's do the best we can....(We all stopped the war on Vietnam: activists, veterans who protested, soldiers who refused and resisted. And it took a long time. Too long.)
Read/listen to DemocracyNow for at least the last week and a half's shows, well covered: www.democracynow.org transcripts will remain online, free. There's an article below from Gush Shalom. There's a NYC group:Jews Against the Occupation of Palestine www.jatonyc.org
We don't know what Obama is going to do yet - so there is still time to influence his decision. Obama has not condemned Israel's actions but he had not condoned them yet either. What American reporters need to do is get him off the fence.
RE: The actresses include Salma Hayek, Sharon Stone, Whitney Houston, Halle Berry, Drew Barrymore, Brooke Shields, Andie Macdowell, and Lucy Liu.
What! No actors! Thanks for the heads up about Adalah and Jews Against the Occupation.
The media has been kept out of Gaza (Israel won't let them in there)and, since there is only one actual journalist in there, there is a call for the people of Gaza to report what is going on in there:
Gazans: 'We are living a nightmare'
http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2008/12/20081229103924975479.html
QUOTE: Yesterday, my sister's house was damaged in a strike on a target nearby. Every room was damaged except for the kitchen, where she and the children were. Allah kept them alive. / The world looks at unarmed Palestinian people as though they are a nation with an army, as though we are equal to the Israelis. They think we have real rockets that cause a lot of damage or have a big effect, but this is not true.
INDEPENDENT JEWISH VOICES CONDEMNS ISRAEL'S GAZA MASSACRE
http://ijvcanada.blogspot.com/
(French version first, English one below)
QUOTE: The Israeli military has unleashed its most vicious air assault against the people of Gaza in decades, killing over 280 Gazans and wounding over 700. Despite claims by the Israeli leadership that they are trying to avoid civilians the attacks have been concentrated on Gaza City and the towns of Khan Younis and Rafah. Israeli television reports that Israeli troops are massing on the border "in preparation for a supplementary ground offensive" / Independent Jewish Voices (Canada) condemns this murderous escalation of violence by the Israeli government.
"A minimum of 25 percent of all those killed are civilians and it may well be far higher," Christopher Gunness, a spoksman for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, told AFP on Wednesday.
Israeli rabbis: Thou shalt kill civilians
Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:00:11 GMT
Four leading Israeli rabbis have sanctioned the murder of civilian population in the Gaza Strip amid the Israeli onslaught on the region.
That's it. I'm finished with Genocidal Monsters for good.
No more Judeo-Christanity for this human being.
Good choice. Read Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion" and then watch Bill Mahr's Religious and seal the deal.
Read Dawkins. Then read Sam Harris's "The End of Faith," Daniel Dennett's "Breaking the Spell," Charles Kimball's "When Religion Becomes Evil." For a real polemic, read Christopher Hitchen's "God is Not Great." Then, for a gentle remedy to the nausea that might arise from any or all of this, read Andre Compt-Sponville's "Little Book of Atheist Spirituality."
Note: Bill Mahr's movie is called "Religulous" (rhymes with "ridiculous").
Also note that Chris Hedges wrote a book called "I Don't Believe in Atheists," in which he seriously misrepresents several of those listed above. I know he's frequently posted on this site, but you gotta watch out for his divinity school background. Because of it, he can't handle the fact that "moderate" religious faith extends validation to fundamentalist religious faith. War is a force that gives HIS life meaning, and humans are not naturally cruel animals. They become so when brainwashed.
Wow.
Thanks Fasteddie. Great reading list. I just started Dawkins "The Selfish Gene" because when I tried to buy "The God Delusion" is was sold out at most stores in my area.
Thank God (or the flying spagettii monster) for Bill Mahr!
God that man can make me laugh!
Happy New Year
Let's go with humor, since I am enjoying what one blogger would accusingly call "the perfect Atheist holiday," and raise one more glass to George Carlin in bittersweet memory. Let's toast him for his courage, which we will miss (he SAID the seven words "you can't say"), and for his wit, which endures: "War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, the Ice Capades... This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the resume of a Supreme Being."
What Israelis/Jews think of themselves --- Quote as follows:
“Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.” Menachem Begin 1978
It appears that our israeli run government will not do a thing to end the suffering in the Gaza. One option is to boycott all israeli products and those US businesses that support illegal israeli settlements. Starbucks is one such US company. There is an entire website devoted to this effort and is well worth a look: http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-brands.html
"Hollywood stars have called for their pictures to be removed from the website of a diamond company that is associated with settlement expansion in Israel and human rights violations in Africa. http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/185395
"The diamond stores owned by Jewish-American billionaire Lev Leviev had to remove pictures of several actresses after they complained of being linked to a company that funds settlements in the Palestinian occupied territories, a statement issued by the pro-Palestinian human rights group Adalah- New York said.
The actresses include Salma Hayek, Sharon Stone, Whitney Houston, Halle Berry, Drew Barrymore, Brooke Shields, Andie Macdowell, and Lucy Liu.
The celebrities were contacted by the rights group Adalah and the New York based 'Jews Against the Occupation' and asked them to distance themselves from a corporation that supports the Zionist project."
So, in some small way, we can do what Bernie Madoff did.
Israel's nukes are useless. If they nuke Egypt, Syria, Iran, or any other country there the blowback will get them.
Its too small to survive.
It cant use them except to commit suicide and I doubt very much that they are that brave. Too lazy. Hell, they dont like manual labor. Its not the same as Masada where they just starved to death.
Or the Nazi camps.
Israel even works on developing weapons that they can shoot around corners because they are so afraid of being killed.
The strongest army myth was exploded in Lebanon. Its a lie. They started the 48, 56 and 67 wars, and faced unskilled armies.
They would have lost in 73 if the US hadnt helped them. They lost in 82 and 06.
Shooting people in a prison isnt a war.
Its tragic they are too delusional to have their own best interests at heart.
Maybe antisemitism is a self fulfilling prophecy.
yes, i've often wondered what the point was of any 'nuke' in such a position......
It's called the "Samson Option" and you can read about it in the book of the same name by Seymour Hersh. Remember what Samson did when he didn't get his way? He tore down the temple and destroyed himself and everyone else; ne of the first recorded suicide "bombers".
For everyone who is putting down Obama. Can you imagine a McCain/Paline response?
Silence is Consent.
Yes I can imagine a McCain/Palin response.....it would be the exact same thing.
Perhaps a better question would be "can you imagine a Nader, or Kucinich or Cynthia McKinney response.
And you are right, silence is consent. What does that say about Obama?
The world has a moral obligation to reject "Israel"'s position and say a loud collective "NO!" to their terrorist regime.
Israel is attacking now before Obama gets in because they are not certain of what he will do.
it was always the Israeli and Bush plan to wipe out Hamas from the first day Hamas won the elections.
by the end of January the world will know if Obama is for the peace or for endless war.
You don't have to guess Jim with former IDF soldier Rahm Emmanuel as chief of staff, overt Zionist Hillary "obliterate Iran" as Sec of State and Gates still in at the military, it is gonna be the same old shit in a shiny new package. New "change" now with 99% less substance. Yep I bit and voted for Obama like a sucker, I won't do that again, goodbye all Dims except Kucinich forever.
Sorry Cynthia. :(
Well, if it's any consolation, McKinney put her life on the line with her humanitarian efforts.
Any bets on if Obama will defy his paymasters and show some 'b****' like Cynthia?
But I could be wrong !
Well, it seems that everyone on here knows the problem, namely that as long as the most powerful (currently) nation on earth keeps backing Israel, arming Israel, and using the UN for its own end game (whatever that may be), then there will be no end to the plight of the Palestinians.
As I have said before, the UN needs to be truly independent and capable of making decisions which benefit everyone. I would love to know where the 200 Israeli nukes are pointing - Iran, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Russia, UK, France, Germany - that's a lot of nukes you know, far too many for just the Arab/Persian World.
Our American government, both parties, are following the Jewish religious mandate to kill the children of Gaza. This puts the true Neo-Spin on No Child Left Behind. If our Zionist controlled government want's to stop the uprisings of the eternally tormanted then they must exterminate at least 80% of the civilian population. Our client Jews will need to resort to gas and ovens to achieve their 'final solution' over the civilization they have evicted from palestine.
All with a Hardy Har Har-Magedon from the world leaders. Time is out of joint.
yeah, it's time for a joint..................
Everyone thinks that Obama is the Messiah--the man who will solve all problems and bring paradise to earth. In reality, Obama is a Chicago politician, nothing more, nothing less. (see Jesse Jackson, Mayor Daley, Sr and Jr. and Rod Blagojevich)
We have a disaster in Gaza. Obama is, has been and will be, Pro-Israeli. His chief of staff is an Israeli dual citizen, his foreign policy team in pro AIPAC. So is he.
Waiting for Obama to resolve the crisis in the Middle East is like waiting for Godot. It aint gonna happen.
What it to be done? Well, Israel feels insecure, as well they should be, and Palestinians feel on the brink of disaster. We need UN/NATO/Someone intervention. We need to "Pull a Kosovo":
Every day Israel grows larger and Palestine grows smaller. They were supposed to share the land of the "Palestinian Mandate" -it's now Israel 80%, Palestinian 20%
Israel and US preach a two state solution but they practice the creeping erasure of the Palestinian people.
People rebel under such desperate circumstances. Let's hope there is some power to get Israel to stop just like NATO stopped the Serbs from attacking Kosovo.
Dr Wu, the last of the big-time thinkers
"Everyone thinks that Obama is the Messiah--the man who will solve all problems and bring paradise to earth."
Worse still. Obama is an avid golfer.
yeah and he smokes too..................
Israel said that if they go down, they will take the world down with them. Israel is a suicide bomber, world class.
really?............where did you see/read that?
I think Moshe Dayan said it.
oh, i thought you meant it was said within the last few days.............
from Chris Floyd
http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/3/1666-shock-awe-and-lies-the-truth-behind-the-is...
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Up and down the American media and political establishments, you will find nothing but bleatings about Israel being "forced" to launch its vicious blunderbuss attacks against heavily populated Gaza because of the "recent spate of Hamas bombings" since the end of a six-month ceasefire.
This is of course a damnable and deliberate lie. Papers in Israel -- in Israel, but not the United States -- are reporting the truth: the murderous assault on Gaza was planned not only before the six-month ceasefire ended -- it was planned before the cease-fire even took effect. Indeed, the cease-fire was part of the military plan to decimate the civilian areas of Gaza; it was a hoax, a scam, a deliberate feint to buy time for military preparations -- precisely the same strategy followed by the Bush Regime (and its bipartisan Establishment supporters) in "going to the UN" to seek a "peaceful solution" to the "Iraqi crisis" -- when the invasion was already in the works.
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Israel is telling the world: We own the most powerful nation on the earth, so you rest of the world can go fuck yourself.
And the world has a moral obligation to respond to "Israel" by saying: go f*ck YOURSELF!!