Despite a Backlash, Many Jews Are Questioning Israel
Is a Jewish Glasnost Coming to America?
First, a confession: It may tell me that I hate myself, but I can't help loving Masada2000, the website maintained by militant right-wing Zionist followers of Rabbi Meir Kahane. The reason I love it is its D.I.R.T. list -- that's "Dense anti-Israel Repugnant Traitors" (also published as the S.H.I.T. list of "Self-Hating and Israel-Threatening" Jews). And that's not because I get a bigger entry than -- staying in the Ks -- Henry Kissinger, Michael Kinsley, Naomi Klein, or Ted Koppel. The Kahanists are a pretty flaky lot, counting everyone from Woody Allen to present Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on their list of Jewish traitors. But the habit of branding Jewish dissidents -- those of us who reject the nationalist notion that as Jews, our fate is tied to that of Israel, or the idea that our people's historic suffering somehow exempts Israel from moral reproach for its abuses against others -- as "self-haters" is not unfamiliar to me.
In 1981, my father went, as a delegate of the B'nai B'rith Jewish service organization, to a meeting of the Cape Town chapter of the Jewish Board of Deputies, the governing body of South Africa's Jewish communal institutions. The topic of the meeting was "Anti-Semitism on Campus." My father was pretty shocked and deeply embarrassed when Exhibit A of this phenomenon turned out to be something I'd published in a student newspaper condemning an Israeli raid on Lebanon.
By then, I was an activist in the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa, which was consuming most of my energies. Having been an active left-Zionist in my teenage years, I had, however, retained an interest in the Middle East -- and, of course, we all knew that Israel was the South African white apartheid regime's most important ally, arming its security forces in defiance of a UN arms embargo. Even back then, the connection between the circumstances of black people under apartheid, and those of Palestinians under occupation in the West Bank and Gaza, seemed obvious enough to me and to many other Jews in the South African liberation movement: Both were peoples harshly ruled over by a state that denied them the rights of citizenship.
Still, this was a first. I could recite the kiddush from memory, sing old kibbutznik anthems and curse in Yiddish. I had been called a "bloody Jew" many times, but never an anti-Semite or a self-hating Jew. What quickly became clear to me, though, was the purpose of that "self-hating" smear -- to marginalize Jews who dissent from Zionism, the nationalist ideology of Jewish statehood, in order to warn others off expressing similar views.
What I like about the S.H.I.T. list's approach to the job -- other than the "Dangerous Minds" theme music that plays as you read it -- is the way it embraces literally thousands of names, including many of my favorite Jews. Memo to the sages at Masada2000: If you're trying to paint dissenters as demented traitors, you really have to keep the numbers down. Instead, Masada2000's inadvertent message is: "Think critically about Israel and you'll join Woody Allen and a cast of thousands..."
A New Landscape of Jewish Dissent
The Kahanists are a fringe movement, but their self-defeating list may nonetheless be a metaphor for the coming crisis in more mainstream nationalist efforts to police Jewish identity. The Zionist establishment has had remarkable success over the past half-century in convincing others that Israel and its supporters speak for, and represent, "the Jews." The value to their cause of making Israel indistinguishable from Jews at large is that it becomes a lot easier to shield Israel from reproach. It suggests, in the most emphatic terms, that serious criticism of Israel amounts to criticism of Jews. More than a millennium of violent Christian persecution of Jews, culminating in the Holocaust, has made many in the West rightly sensitive towards any claims of anti-Semitism, a sensitivity many Zionists like to exploit to gain a carte blanche exemption from criticism for a state they claim to be the very personification of Jewishness.
So, despite Israel's ongoing dispossession and oppression of the Palestinians in the occupied territories, then-Harvard president Larry Summers evidently had no trouble saying, in 2002, that harsh criticisms of Israel are "anti-Semitic in their effect if not in their intent."
Robin Shepherd of the usually sensible British think-tank Chatham House has gone even further, arguing that comparing Israel with apartheid South Africa is "objective anti-Semitism." Says Shepherd: "Of course one can criticize Israel, but there is a litmus test, and that is when the critics begin using constant key references to South Africa and the Nazis, using terms such as 'bantustans.' None of these people, of course, will admit to being racist, but this kind of anti-Semitism is a much more sophisticated form of racism, and the kind of hate-filled rhetoric and imagery are on the same moral level as racism, so gross and distorted that they are defaming an entire people, since Israel is an essentially Jewish project."
I'd agree that the Nazi analogy is specious -- not only wrong but offensive in its intent, although not "racist". But the logic of suggesting it is "racist" to compare Israel to apartheid South Africa is simply bizarre. What if Israel objectively behaves like apartheid South Africa? What then?
Actually, Mr. Shepherd, I'd be more inclined to pin the racist label on anyone who conflates the world's 13 million Jews with a country in which 8.2 million of them -- almost two thirds -- have chosen not to live.
Although you wouldn't know it -- not if you followed Jewish life simply through the activities of such major Jewish communal bodies as the Conference of Presidents of American Jewish Organizations and the Anti-Defamation League -- the extent to which the eight million Jews of the Diaspora identify with Israel is increasingly open to question (much to the horror of the Zionist-oriented Jewish establishment). In a recent study funded by the Andrea and Charles Bronfman Philanthropies (an important donor to Jewish communal organizations), Professors Steven M. Cohen and Ari Y. Kelman revealed that their survey data had yielded some extraordinary findings: In order to measure the depth of attachment of American Jews to Israel, the researchers asked whether respondents would consider the destruction of the State of Israel a "personal tragedy." Less than half of those aged under 35 answered "yes" and only 54% percent of those aged 35-50 agreed (compared with 78% of those over 65). The study found that only 54% of those under 35 felt comfortable with the very idea of a Jewish state.
As groups such as the Jewish Agency in Israel (which aims to promote Jewish immigration) and the American Jewish committee expressed dismay over the findings, Cohen and Kelman had more bad news: They believed they were seeing a long-term trend that was unlikely to be reversed, as each generation of American Jews becomes even more integrated into the American mainstream than its parents and grandparents had been. The study, said Cohen, reflected "very significant shifts that have been occurring in what it means to be a Jew."
Cohen's and Kelman's startling figures alone underscore the absurdity of Shepherd's suggestion that to challenge Israel is to "defame an entire people." They also help frame the context for what I would call an emerging Jewish glasnost in which Jewish critics of Israel are increasingly willing to make themselves known. When I arrived in the United States 13 years ago, I was often surprised to find that people with whom I seemed to share a progressive, cosmopolitan worldview would suddenly morph into raging ultranationalists when the conversation turned to Israel. Back then, it would have seemed unthinkable for historian Tony Judt to advocate a binational state for Israelis and Palestinians or for Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen to write that "Israel itself is a mistake. It is an honest mistake, a well-intentioned mistake, a mistake for which no one is culpable, but the idea of creating a nation of European Jews in an area of Arab Muslims (and some Christians) has produced a century of warfare and terrorism of the sort we are seeing now." Unthinkable, too, was the angry renunciation of Zionism by Avrum Burg, former speaker of Israel's Knesset.
And, in those days, with the internet still in its infancy, the online Jewish dissident landscape that today ranges from groups in the Zionist peace camp like Tikkun, Americans for Peace Now, and the Israel Policy Forum, among others, to anti-Zionist Jews of the left such as Not in My Name and Jewish Voices for Peace, had not yet taken shape. Indeed, there was no Haaretz online English edition in which the reality of Israel was being candidly reported and debated in terms that would still be deemed heretical in much of the U.S. media.
Thirteen years ago, there certainly was no organization around like "Birthright Unplugged," which aims to subvert the "Taglit-Birthright Program," funded by Zionist groups and the government of Israel, that provides free trips to Israel for young Jewish Americans in order to encourage them to identify with the State. (The "Unplugged" version encourages young Jews from the U.S. to take the Birthright tour and its free air travel, and then stay on for a two-week program of visits to the West Bank, to Israeli human rights organizations, and to peace groups. The goal is to see another side of Israel, the side experienced by its victims -- and by Israelis who oppose the occupation of the West Bank.)
Clearly, much has changed, and the ability of the Zionist establishment -- the America Israel Political Action Committee, the American Jewish Committee, the Anti-Defamation League, and others -- to impose nationalist boundaries on Jewish identity is being eroded. It's worth remembering in this context that anti-Zionism was originally a Jewish movement -- the majority of European Jews before World War II rejected the Zionist movement and its calls for a mass migration from Europe to build a Jewish nation-state in Palestine. The most popular Jewish political organization in Europe had been the Yiddishe Arbeiter Bund, a Jewish socialist party that was militantly anti-Zionist. Even among the rabbis of Europe, there was considerable opposition to the idea of Jews taking control of Zion before the arrival of the Messiah (and there still is, of course, from a sizable minority of the ultra-Orthodox).
Of course, the Holocaust changed all that. For hundreds of thousands of survivors, a safe haven in Palestine became a historic necessity.
But the world has changed since then, and as the research cited above suggests, the trends clearly don't favor the Zionists. I was reared on the idea that a Jewish nation-state in the Middle East was the "manifest destiny" of the Jews. I learned in the Zionist movement that Jewish life in the Diaspora was inevitably stunted and ultimately doomed. But history may have decided otherwise. The majority of us have chosen to live elsewhere, thereby voting with our feet. Indeed, according to Israeli government figures, some 750,000 Israeli Jews (15% of Israel's Jewish population) are now living abroad, further undermining the Zionist premise that the Diaspora is an innately hostile and anti-Semitic place.
The Ferocity of Nationalism, The Universality of Justice
Increasingly anxious that most of us have no intention of going to Israel to boost Jewish numbers, the Israel-based Jewish Agency -- apparently oblivious to the irony of its own actions -- has complained to Germany over official policies that make life there so attractive to Jewish immigrants from former Soviet territories, thus discouraging them from going to Israel. More immediately threatening to the Zionist establishment, however, is another reality: Many Jews are beginning to make once unthinkable criticisms of Israel's behavior. If you want to bludgeon Jewish critics with the charge of "anti-Semitism" when they challenge Israel's actions, then it's hardly helpful to have other Jews standing up and expressing the same thoughts. It undermines the sense, treasured by Israel's most fervent advocates, that they represent a cast-iron consensus among American Jews in particular.
That much has been clear in the response to the publication of John Mearsheimer and Steven Walt's controversial new book The Israeli Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, which challenges the wisdom and morality of the unashamed and absolute bias in U.S. foreign policy towards Israel. In an exchange on the NPR show Fresh Air, Walt was at pains to stress, as in his book, that the Israel Lobby, as he sees it, is not a Jewish lobby, but rather an association of groupings with a right-wing political agenda often at odds with majority American-Jewish opinion,
Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, argued exactly the opposite: Walt and Mearsheimer, he claimed, were effectively promoting anti-Semitism, because the Israel lobby is nothing more (or less) than the collective will of the American Jewish community. Which, of course, it isn't. In fact, in the American Jewish community you can increasingly hear open echoes of Mearsheimer and Walt's skepticism over whether the lobby's efforts are good for Israel.
But Foxman's case is undercut by something far broader -- an emerging Jewish glasnost. Of course, like any break with a long-established nationalist consensus, the burgeoning of dissent has provoked a backlash. Norman Finkelstein -- the noted Holocaust scholar and fierce critic of Zionism recently hounded out of De Paul University in a campaign of vilification based precisely on the idea that fierce criticism of Israel is the equivalent of "hate speech" -- could be forgiven for being skeptical of the idea that the grip of the ultranationalists is weakening.
So, too, could Joel Kovel. After all, he found his important book Overcoming Zionism pulled by his American distributor, the University of Michigan Press, also on the "hate speech" charge. (This decision was later reversed, but it may have long-term consequences for the distributor's relationship with Kovel's publisher, the British imprint Pluto.)
Jimmy Carter -- who was called a "Holocaust denier" (yes, a Holocaust denier!) for using the apartheid analogy in his book on Israel -- and Mearsheimer and Walt might have reason for skepticism as well. But I'd argue that the renewed ferocity of recent attacks on those who have strayed from the nationalist straight and narrow has been a product of panic in the Jewish establishment -- a panic born of the fact that its losing its grip. As in the former Soviet Union with the actual glasnost moment, this is a process, once started, that's only likely to be accelerated by such witch-hunting.
Last year, a very cranky academic by the name of Alvin Rosenfeld, on behalf of the oldest Jewish advocacy group in the U.S., the American Jewish Committee, got a flurry of attention by warning that liberal Jews such as playwright Tony Kushner, Tony Judt and Richard Cohen, all of whom had recently offered fundamental criticisms of Israel, were giving comfort to a "new anti-Semitism."
"They're helping to make [anti-Semitic] views about the Jewish state respectable -- for example, that it's a Nazi-like state, comparable to South African apartheid; that it engages in ethnic cleansing and genocide. These charges are not true and can have the effect of delegitimizing Israel."
In reality, though, whether or not you agree with the views of those critics, they simply can't legitimately be called anti-Semitic. Actually, I doubt any of those he cited have accused Israel of genocide or compared it in any way to the Nazi state. (Former Israeli Knesset Speaker Avram Burg, however, recently did write, in reference to Israeli militarism and hostility to Arabs, "It is sometimes difficult for me to distinguish between the primeval National-Socialism and some national cultural doctrines of the here-and-now."). But the ethnic-cleansing in which the Israelis expelled 750,000 Palestinians in 1948 and the apartheid character of Israel's present occupation of the West Bank are objective realities. Rosenfeld is suggesting that, to take an honest look at either the occupation or the events of 1948, as so many Israeli writers, journalists, and politicians have done, is to "delegitimize" Israel and promote anti-Semitism.
Just last week, Danny Rubinstein, senior correspondent covering Palestinian affairs for the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, was slated to speak to the British Zionist Federation - and then, at the last minute, his speech was canceled. The reason? Rubinstein had pointed out that "today Israel is an apartheid state with different status for different communities." (While many liberal Jewish Americans can't bring themselves to accept the apartheid comparison, that's not true of their Israeli counterparts who actually know what's going on in the West Bank. Former education minister Shulamit Aloni, for example, or journalist Amira Hass use the comparison. (The comparison first occurred to me on a visit to Kibbutz Yizreel in 1978, when the elders of my Zionist youth movement, Habonim, who had emigrated from South Africa to Israel, warned that the settlement policy of the then-new Likud government was designed to prevent Israel letting go of the West Bank. The population there, they told us, would never be given the right to vote in Israel, and so the result would be, as they presciently put it, "an apartheid situation.")
Use of the term "apartheid" in reference to the occupation does draw the attention of those who prefer to look away from the fact that Israel is routinely engaged in behavior democratic society has deemed morally odious and unacceptable when it has occurred in other contexts. It is precisely because that fact makes them uncomfortable, I suspect, that they react so emotionally to the A-word. Take black South Africans who suffered under apartheid on a visit to the West Bank -- a mild-mannered moderate Nobel Peace Prize winner such as Bishop Desmond Tutu, for example -- ask them about the validity of the comparison, and you know the answer you're going to get.
Moreover, it's an answer with which a growing number of Jews, who place the universal, ethical and social justice traditions of their faith above those of narrow tribalism, are willing to deal.
In an earlier commentary, perhaps presaging his break with Zionism, Burg noted in 2002:
"Yes, we Israelis have revived the Hebrew language, created a marvelous theater and a strong national currency. Our Jewish minds are as sharp as ever. We are traded on the Nasdaq. But is this why we created a state? The Jewish people did not survive for two millennia in order to pioneer new weaponry, computer security programs or antimissile missiles. We were supposed to be a light unto the nations. In this we have failed. It turns out that the 2,000-year struggle for Jewish survival comes down to a state of settlements, run by an amoral clique of corrupt lawbreakers who are deaf both to their citizens and to their enemies. A state lacking justice cannot survive. More and more Israelis are coming to understand this as they ask their children where they expect to live in 25 years. Children who are honest admit, to their parents' shock, that they do not know."
Although I am not religious, I share Burg's view that universal justice is at the heart of the Jewish tradition. Growing up in apartheid South Africa was an object lesson in Jewish ethics. Yes, there was plenty of anti-Semitism in the colonial white society of my childhood, but the mantle of victimhood belonged to others. And if you responded to the in-no-way-exclusively-so, but very Jewish impulse to seek justice, you found yourself working side by side not only with the remarkable number of Jews who filled leadership roles in the liberation movement, but also with Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and others.
Judaism's universal ethical calling can't really be answered if we live only among ourselves -- and Israel's own experience suggests it's essentially impossible to do so without doing injustice to others. Israel is only 59 years old, a brief moment in the sweep of Jewish history, and I'd argue that Judaism's survival depends instead on its ability to offer a sustaining moral and ethical anchor in a world where the concepts of nation and nationality are in decline (but the ferocity of nationalism may not be). Israel's relevance to Judaism's survival depends first and foremost on its ability, as Burg points out, to deliver justice, not only to its citizens, but to those it has hurt.
Tony Karon is a senior editor at TIME who also maintains his own website, Rootless Cosmopolitan, where he comments on everything from geopolitical conflict to Jewish identity issues. "Rootless Cosmopolitan" was Stalin's euphemistic pejorative for "Jew" during his anti-Semitic purges of the late 1940s, but Karon, who grew up in South Africa and whose family roots lie in Eastern Europe, and before that France, takes the term as a badge of honor. Karon was a teenage activist in the left-Zionist Habonim movement before finding his way into the big tent of the anti-apartheid liberation struggle, an experience that prompted him to re-imagine what it meant to be a Jew in the world.
Copyright 2007 Tony Karon
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Show AllOf course Israelis when interviewed or polled, wants peace, because the translation of it is literally peace through submission. Of course, if an Israeli is asked whether Israel should see if Palestinians are willing to accept your terms of peace, they would very likely say yes. If they are asked whether there should be justice for all, you would get a very different answer.
Vets, I mean Massud, I don't agree with you but I appreciate your in input, it must be very lonely for you on this board. I applaud your tenacity.
One can reject particular aspects of Israeli policy without rejecting Zionism itself. Zionism is not evil. Jews have as much right to their own country as the French, English, Italians, do.
And, in my opinion, the existence of the state of Israel is the first step in a chain of events that will culminate in the resurrection of the dead, the coming of the Moshiach, the rebuilding of the temple, and the reign of God on Earth.
Raanan G
Fudge.
gyptian, again I have been misunderstood. OR taken out of context, whichever. I was not advocating 'destruction' of one side I was denouncing that mentality. I was calling for peace ie Germany and Poland agreeing on borders, not *peace* ie the Romans create a desert and call it *peace*. This includes no longer trying to reopen the closed debate on a zionist states existence. Its counterproductive.
iwarrior ... point taken ... but to partly understand the israeli mentality read massuds statement above --"Sure, in a conflict between two there is *peace* whenever one side is destroyed"--
Apparently 'peace' happens when one side is destroyed (murdered/slaughtered/displaced) ... how sick is that ? If this is truly the israeli mentality then i wouldnt blame the Palestinians for wanting israel to not exist as the choice they face is 'us or them' !!
A peace agreement is just that, a peace agreement. Surrender is not a peace agreement, but surrender is exactly what some(even a few on this board) are advocating for Israel. If it only lie down and accept Arab domination ONLY then would there be *peace*. Think long and hard about that, to see who's really the aggressive one who's playing defense. Sure, in a conflict between two there is *peace* whenever one side is destroyed. But not a true peace agreement between two opposing sides. One thing that needs to happen is that the debate on whether or not Israel should exist needs to be recognized as closed and has been closed for 60 years. IF all parties brought the debate into the present as opoposed to 1947 there could be real progress.
gyptian-I am not justifying what Israel has done to Palestine. I'm just trying understand their mentality. I don't think Israel has a right to exist either. People have played the "anti-semite" card with me also on these very forums.
I think the hell that the jewish people have been through has scarred many of them. Again, imo fear has a lot to do with this as well as imperialism, exceptionalism, etc.
this is a great article.
i think that the aspect of discussing the state of israel, the israeli lobby in the us and the ultra hawkish government of israel is, as pointed out, a distinct topic from the larger topic of: the jews.
like the americans who distance themselves from bush these days, lots of people do not accept the branding and the responsibility for their governments and that is most fair.
there is no way, by any standard, that the jewish beat down of the palestinians can be tolerated for much longer. 35 years and counting.
moshe dayan told the palestinains they would live like dogs, back in the 60's or early 70's, and that is racist, hateful, whatever else you want to add in. it must be stopped. he was right about their plight though.
the article mentions norman finklestein aand how he was destroyed by the bitter, hateful and quite possibly increasingly senile dershowitz. they debated on democracy now, here is the link to the transcript and mp3; please read it, its an eyeopener:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/24/1730205
for a more respectful and intellectual discussion on the palestinians please follow this link, once again at democracy now with norman finklestein debating schlomo ben ami, cheif israeli negotiator at oslo.
here that is:
http://www.democracynow.org/finkelstein-benami.shtml
both shows were hosted by amy goodman.
i disagree with the author though, respectfully, when i say that the israeli government are proud children of the nazis. this, to me, cannot be contested. their treatment of the palestinians is beyond reason, beyond humanity and beyond any desire for security.
furthermore, the israeli government has always chosen land grabs over negotiation/resolution and i wonder if they are hoping to drive all the arabs out, by any means necessary.
they should just keep in mind that those who live by the sword, die by the sword.
that is not opinion, that is history.
It would appear that the time is exactly right for Joel Kovel's *Overcoming Zionism*. I've always regarded Zionism as more of a conversation than an ideology -- a conversation perverted by the Likudniks and the Haredim. However, here's what Kovel has to say:
First of all, I understand the desire to smash Zionism, for after all, Israel is an abomination and has caused endless suffering to innocent people. I believe, however, that humanity is capable of escaping these endless cycles of violence. The desire to lash out against those who have oppressed us is understandable, but it is a dead end.
"Overcoming" Zionism means that one utterly rejects everything that it stands for. In rejecting that, you also reject the cycle of vengeance. You not only reject the content of Zionism, but also the very form of Zionism, which involves the narrative that we Jews have been mistreated throughout history, so now that we have a state of our own, we need to defend it militarily, with all our might, responding to every act of resistance with overwhelming force. When you overcome Zionism, you overcome the logic of victimhood and retaliation.
You can see the rest of this interview with Kovel at:
http://briarpatchmagazine.com/news/?p=475
"Jews fled to Israel partly because they didn't want another Holocaust."
I dont know about that ... if they didnt want another holocaust they should have fled to Idaho or Montana or some such square state. But no , they chose to displace an entire ethnic minority because they could ... under some ridiculous pretext of the 'land' belonging to them many thousand years back.
If I choose to follow this logic London and Paris belong to my family ...
This article illustrates why people (and I was guilty of this too) need to distinguish between jews and zionists. We need to welcome those doubting jews into the fold.
I've said this before, but thing people need to realize is that fear fuels the state of Israel. Jews fled to Israel partly because they didn't want another Holocaust. And imo
those Israelis think that another one is around the corner. That paranoia and survival instinct is something we need to understand. Not to condone the apartheid, ethnic cleansing, and other injustices and horrors that Israel has inflicted on Palestine. The Israelis/jews aren't evil. It is the Zionists, most of whom are not truly devout jews, who imo are evil.
Israel is being used as a wedge by the imperial powers to pry open the door of Westernization. The imperial powers are using the Israelis to further that end via "Never Again."
Does anyone honestly think that the neo-cons and xtian fundies love the jewish people?
In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
Mark Twain, Notebook, 1935
Clearly the star Zionists like Dershowitz aren't the geniuses they're cracked up to be. To use an extreme analogy : so intoxicated are they with their own power ,that they've let their 'brains' go to their heads.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense could see that their very rabidness is tripping them up . Because ever-increasing numbers of Jews are becoming put off by their stridency and intransigence. Far from furthering their own cause ,they've ended up doing it enormous disservice and irreparable harm.
A single Norman Finkelstein, Ilian Pappe or Uri Averni is worth more than a million Dershowitzes .
And how about that great Israeli maestro Daniel Barenboim - who has single-handedly run the gauntlet of the wrath of the Israeli Establishment , and used his music to reach across the bitter divide . To win the hearts and minds of thousands of Palestinian youth. A true hero -if ever there was one.
Neocons and the War on Iraq
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=2621
Exactly Paul and the Egyptians do not like Hosni Mubarak's dictatorship. There is no democracy in Egypt because Hosni Mubarak is kept in power by the US because he recognizes Israel. I would not be shocked if the Egyptian gov't is eventually overthrown by militant radicals such as the Ikwan. This would be horrible as the radicals would be worse then the dictator in the end I truly believe. This would not be good for Egypt in the long-run, a Taliban like gov't especially for the Coptic minority. Egypt deserves true democracy. God-willing one day the Egytpian people will have it. I hope they would then choose peace with Israel in the end but on fair terms and with recognition of Palestinian rights.
gde: Israel and Egypt are probably at peace because the US is "bribing" each country to leave the other alone. Check out who are the two largest recipients of US foreign aid.
Based on population size? Dire humanitarian need? Geographical size? None of the above.
Israel & Egypt.
What exactly is Judaism? A race? Religion? Or a (race+religion) tribal/racial religion? Or a (religion+nation) theocracy?
What I don't understand is the diaspora, all over the world, who apparently have extreme allegiance (perhaps overriding allegiance in the case of Joseph Liebermann) toward Israel. I understand ultra-nationalism, jingoism, etc. WITHIN one's country. Though I don't really agree with its innate chauvenism. But when one is a citizen of another country (the US, for instance) US interests must be #1. Many of my ancestors came from Germany. If Germany was still #1 in my books, I ought to return.
In the US, the only sort of people who call for an ethnically/religiously cleansed expression of Christianity in a national sense (White Christian State of America) are the most extreme right-wing elements. Indeed, if they got THEIR way, there would not be a Jew in this country (or a Moslem, Buddhist, atheist, etc.).
PS---Whose definition was it that said a fanatic is a person who tries twice as hard because he has forgotten the reason for his actions....
Tremendous article full of vision and wisdom and hope along with the darkness of the facts past and present....Reminds us that the zealots are so zealous exactly "because they are losing their grip"....
While it is heartening to know that American Jews are slowly opening their minds to the brutality of the treatment of Palestinians, what of the Israelis themselves?
Recent polls in Haaretz showed that 75% of Israeli Jews would not live in the same building as an Arab and that 66% detested hearing Arabic spoken. As well, following the recent spate of Palestinian children being murdered by the IDF (ignored by the US MSM) the collective Israeli reaction was indifference, with the right-wing Zionist wackos actually offering kudos to the IDF.
This does not bode well for an I/P peace agreement.
Maqnificent.
Thank you, Tony Karon, and keep up the good work. Much strength.
A permanent peace between Arabs and Israelis requires that Israel acknowledge that it has been practicing ethnic cleansing from the beginning, and that a fair settlement involves appropriate compensation to the Arabs. Israel is totally unwilling to do this, and no one with any real power is pushing them hard to do so. Israel has denied the Palestinian people the right to live at home as citizens for many decades, a number of people roughly equal to the Jewish population of Israel. To be fair, Israel should be handed over to a multinational force for decades, with only local control of limited areas. This won't happen, and doesn't need to happen, but at the minimum Israel must acknowledge its crimes and compensate for them. The only way Israel could afford to compensate wouldbe to give up significant portions of the pre-1967 Israeli land.
There are many that feel a one state solution is the only one practically possible. Israel has consistently acted in that direction.
"I WANT peace between the Arabs and the Israelis."
This is the same whine you hear from just about every single israeli or israeli supporting jewish person. Coming out against Israeli apartheid policies with regard to Palestinians does not make you a pro_Arab wahhabi or an anti-semite. As long as israel holds a gun to the head of Palestinians there will never be permanent peace.
Don't misunderstand me, everyone. I WANT peace between the Arabs and the Israelis. But everytime I read into the debate, it seems that the permanent peace is never mentioned. Just Israel giving to "open doors for the future". Israel won't give something irrevocable for something revocable, that would be crazy. So, tell me all. What is the permanent peace, and not a bait and switch? That is, peace that does not involve reversing israeli jewish independence.
Massud -
You may have not have noticed, but Israel is at peace with Egypt and Jordan because it finally decided it had stolen enough (or at least it felt it couldn't get away with more) and agreed to stop killing their people. In Palestine, the Palestinians have stood down many times (at least in terms of lethal violence) but the Israelis won't quit killing. I suspect it is because the folks who rule Israel realize they need to have Israelis killed by terrorists to feed the story that Palestinians are evil, so if a long time goes without "successful" terrorist attacks, Israel gets more aggressive about its rate of killing, especially of families and children.
I believe Karon is correct in terms of the long term trend of Jews in the world not identifying as closely with Israel from generation to generation. However, I remember a poll saying that in the US, with its strong Zionist bias in Washington and the MSM, that something like 80% of US Jews approved of the attacks on Lebanon last year, even though they resulted in many Israeli casualties, some of them civilians. This does not bode well at all. The reason there is no peace is that the dominant party makes a profit off war, and so long as it can get away with it, will not consider anything near a fair settlement. Also, the only real player that can alter the balance is the US, but the Zionist movement has such a hold on the US government and the MSM that this won't happen without major political upheaval in the US (Repubs and Dems both out).
Karon clearly believes that the covenant between Moses and God defines behavior of Jews toward Jew and non-Jew alike. Zionists believe it only restricts the behavior of Jews toward other Jews. This is a major theological divide, analogous to that between Jesusian and fundamentalist Christians, and mainstream and radical Muslims. However, splits within religions are rarely defined this way, but rather organizationally or by much more trivial dogma than the basic laws of behavior toward others.
Bravo! as part of the Jewish opposition to Israel's apartheid policy, I am used to being labelled a "self-hating Jew" or an "anti-semitic Jew". I am over 60 and am glad for company amongst younger Jews from around the world.
Israel was built on the premise that it was ok to steal another people's land, and to ignore the fact that those people are our cousins with whom we share a common ancestry. We are both in part descended from the peoples of ancient Canaan and in particular the peoples of the late Iron Age state of Judea. Jews wishing to go back to Palestine should have embraced the Palestinians as family, as Martin Buber and others attempted to do, and made common cause with them against the European oppressors. Instead political Zionists created a terrible schism by engaging in ethnic cleansing and related war crimes. Israel has made the world a more dangerous place for Jews, not a safer place. Israel has turned our natural allies into our enemies.
Finally, comparing Israel's policies to Nazi policies is certainly unfair now. But I fear that now that Israel has turned the Gaza Strip into a giant prison camp, not unlike the Warsaw Ghetto, that Israel may continue down a path that will make the comparison a fair one. I pray it will never be so, but I fear that one day it will be so.
Massud none of Israel's Arab neihbors has an arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons. Israel does. None of Israel's Arab neighbors are an occupying power. Israel is. None of Israel's Arab neighbors is ranked 2nd out of the lobbies in all of Washington, DC by Forbes magazine. The Israel lobby is--AIPAC. None of Israel's Arab neighbors is advocating for sanctions on anyone else. However, Israel regularily advocates for sanctions and war against countries in the region. None of Israel's Arab neighbors pushed for war on Iraq, Lebanon, or Iran. Israel has.
Ya know, I've always been amazed how the only 'peace' between Israel and the Arabs I hear from the pro-arab crowd is in reversing israeli independence. Strange, they say only when Israel ceases to exist will peace exist yet at the same time assert that its israel who's the aggressor. Gee, big mean aggressive Israel. If it only laid down and submitted to Arab rule there would be peace. Gimme a break.
The only reason Israel exists is as an excuse for the US and European countries to whitewash their own colonial & genocidal past -- as long as the Holocaust is unique, then the genocide of indigenes in the Americas, the carving up of Africa in the 19th century by the European powers, etc. all allow the WWII generation & their immediate successors to claim "We weren't as bad as the Nazis!" Apologists for the zionist regime are also always apologists for 'Western civilization'.
I'm happy to see more and more Jews speaking out about Apartheid and the desire to be in human solidarilty with their Arab cousins.
We need thier help to make a better world.
Hopefully Karon is right about the fact that this is the beginning of the end of Israeli apartheid. I tend to doubt this theory given the current state of affairs but hey, its worth fantasizing !