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Of Irony and Implosion
I guess if you're gonna go down, you might as well do it with style.
And I guess if you can't do it with style, you might as well do it with irony.
Even if it is of the comedic sort. And even if the joke's on you.
This country is imploding. It has been for thirty years, if not fifty. What happened Tuesday was egregious in every respect, but at the end of the day represents little more than just another data point on a secular trend line. Putting the tea party freaks in control of the world's only superpower is hardly distinguishable, really, from giving those same governmental car keys to Ronald Reagan, Newt Gingrich, or George W. Bush. For that matter, it bears all too uncomfortable resemblance to having Lyndon Johnson or Bill Clinton or Barack Obama president (though at least in those latter cases, we mostly didn't know beforehand what they'd turn out to be).
I want to say, before wallowing too much deeper into the despairing swamps of comedic irony, that there is some hope out there, at least in the longer term. Put bluntly, this country's main problem is old white guys. If we can find a way to neutralize their destructive impact, there is a new generation of un-crazy people waiting to take control of the country, stop it from digging deeper down in the hole its in, and begin the repair process. The next generation is liberal, and will become even more liberal when it realizes the degree to which the state is necessary to solve problems and protect citizens from predatory actors (most of which are far more likely to be dressed in shiny business suits than Taliban get-ups). It is a generation that finds prejudice based on race, sex and sexual orientation not only stupid and repugnant, but something far better - just plain dismissively irrelevant. It is a generation willing to take the outrageous step of protecting the only planet we happen to have (what a concept!). It's a generation that is largely unmoved by the institutionalized societal idiocy of organized religion. It is a generation that will be a lot more diverse than the regressive good ol' white boy dinosaurs from the 1930s and 1940s still lumbering about the country, waiting for "Father Knows Best" to stage a resurgence.
So, in the long term, we may be okay. Nature and demographics are pulling for the home team here. If we can last long enough, it's just possible that the suicidal empire will find a way to rescue itself from its self-imposed death spiral of inanity we've locked into these last decades.
But it's the getting there that will be tricky. And it's the question of what will be left of the country when we arrive that is crucial.
In the meantime, we are a country that continues to manifest remarkable levels of foolishness in our politics, for which Tuesday's election represents merely an italicized exclamation point on a very long sentence. Some days I wonder if I missed something along the way. Did somebody challenge the US to a Stupidity Smackdown contest thirty years ago, and we in our vanity, arrogance and pride accepted the dare? Did we agree to enter our country into an international demolition derby, and then marshal all our prodigious resources toward winning? Are we locked in some sort of perennial James Dean movie, where our jacket sleeve keeps getting caught on the door handle as the Chevy hurtles toward the cliff?
I dunno. But what I do know is that the ironies of Election 2010 are enough to knock me to the floor.
Start with the fact that this is by far the richest country in the world. That doesn't mean, of course, that we shouldn't identify our problems and try to solve them. We definitely should. But I can't help being struck at the sheer whininess of it all. I mean, here we sit, in our opulence and abundance and decadent materialism, and we're just absolutely beside ourselves. We are the richest people ever to exist on the planet, and we five percent swim in our thick lumpy gravy while 25 percent of humanity - close to two billion people - live in conditions of extreme poverty. Rather ironic, I have to say.
So is the fact that, amongst us, the angriest folks are the very most privileged. They are the white, male seniors who came out in droves for the freak show calling itself the tea party. We know empirically from polling data that these folks are the very definition of demographic privilege. They're wealthier than the rest of us. They're in the majority and dominant race. They are the dominant, catered to and most privileged sex. They have been benefitting from all the goodies that liberalism has provided them for all their lives, most especially now as they bask in their Social Security and Medicare payouts. Oh, and one other thing. They're furious. Furious at the injustices of the world, furious at the idea of sharing the fat bonanza they lucked into in the lottery of life, furious at a society that might have the audacity of compassion for this or that group that it has spent centuries, if not millennia, pummeling. That fury. The ironic fury of the hurl-inducing über-selfish.
And what they do with that fury is equally ironic. Imagine how puzzled a visiting alien would be if you were forced to explain the election of 2010 to him. See in your mind's eye his antennae twisting themselves into slimy little pretzels as he attempts to apply logic - alien, Martian, human, twisted, any kind - to your explanation of what happened. "You see, little green dude, we were extremely unhappy with the state of our country, so what we did was to grab as many of the people as we could find who had just put us in that condition, and we put them back in power. Get it?" "No", he's thinking, "I don't". "But you're about to, as we vaporize your pathetic planet into a gazillion sub-atomic particles. Oh, and don't think the Universe will care, either, Mr. Supremely Illogical Humanoid Life Form. Everyone knows that you biped wankers are the least developed, most arrogant, and most buffoonish species in the entire Quadrant. You barely-down-from-the-trees hominids make the dwarf methane sloths of the Ursa Major Cluster seem like Galactic Wisdom Prize laureates by comparison!"
I mean, really. Is this supposed to be some sort of joke? Not even two years after they crashed the country economically, diplomatically, environmentally, fiscally, politically and morally, we've now turned to an even crazier lot of Republicans and put those monsters in charge? People (allegedly, anyhow) who think that unmarried women who are sexually active should not be allowed to teach in public schools? People who think that we should have weaker anti-pedophilia laws so that we don't impinge on business profitability? People who think it's okay to put "Whites Only" signs back in the windows of restaurants and hotels? People who think that 12 year-old girls impregnated by their uncles should have to bring the fetus to term? People who want to close down all public schools? People who dress up as Nazi SS officers? People who think George W. Bush was a pretty great president, after all, and got a raw deal from the American public? Those are the folks to whom we've handed the keys to the government now? I don't think the word irony is sufficient to touch that one.
But while we're at it, let's add in the fact that these same people who brought us disaster in every form have also pledged to bring us once again precisely the same policies that created that outcome. Without question what the country needs right now is more tax cuts for the wealthy, more deregulation of Wall Street and other corporate predators like BP, more use of fossil fuels to wreck the environment, more troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, more religion in government, more Constitution-slashing destruction of the Bill of Rights, more intrusion into people's personal and sexual lives, more gay and Hispanic and Muslim bashing, and more destruction of the meager social safety net that we have, just at the time it is needed most. Right? How's that for ironic?
Here's a another one for you. What the public really wants right now are solutions to the problems that beset them. And rightly so. The goons of the right (you know, the ones always talking about ‘personal responsibility' - OMG, the ironies are starting to reproduce!) have made a right proper hash of things. They've wrecked just about everything, and the rest they just didn't get to yet. But what the American public just voted for was something very different indeed from rule by the GOP. We just voted for divided government. We just created the precise prescription for gridlock. We just picked the very people who - even apart from the fact that their entire platform consists of undoing existing policies - will make sure that the government fails to act in response to any of the crises facing us. Brilliant.
And just as brilliant as throwing in the bad folks was the throwing out of the good. Admittedly, there are damn few of the latter, which offers a silver lining of sorts by mitigating the potential damage. But I will say that losing the likes of Alan Grayson and, especially, Russ Feingold really hurts, and it really hurts the people who are the most furious, even if they're far to stupid and fearful (which are more or less the same thing these days) to realize it. I was really pained in particular to see Feingold go down, especially because it was for no remotely sensible reason, and especially because he lost to a creep like Ron Johnson. In a city just brimming over with whores, Feingold was one of the true stand-up characters still remaining. Whatever one might say about his politics, which were generally liberal but ultimately quite iconoclastic, he was a senator with that rarest of attributes: integrity. Shame on Wisconsin and shame on America for rejecting him in favor of an army of corporate corporals. Shame on us, especially, for taking out the cleanest clean government guy in the whole city, in the name of attacking waste in Washington. The size of the drunken bacchanal they're throwing on K Street to celebrate Feingold's political demise is precisely the measure of his lonely public interest spirit. But since we're talking ironies here, maybe we'll get lucky and there'll be one other. Maybe Feingold will stand for president in 2012, running unabashedly against the plutocratic prostitution of both Obama and the Republicans. That's a message that could actually win for once.
Another astonishing irony of this election was the sight of Democrats running against themselves. I guess we finally have an answer to the question of what happens when you take cowardly fecklessness to its absolute logical extreme. I know of no Democrats who were running in this cycle on what appear on the surface to have been substantial, even monumental, legislative achievements. Many even ran against those, foolishly thinking that voters might separate them from their party identification on the ballot. And several even ran explicitly against their own leadership, trashing Obama and Pelosi like any tea bag lunatics might have. Unreal. These days you sometimes have to lean your head over sideways and shake it a few times to check for any loose parts rattling around. That's how absurdly unimaginable it is that one of the two actually electable parties in the world's sole superpower might have come to the conclusion that running against their own record could be a winning strategy.
But, of course, Democrats will top themselves yet again by going with the exact same leadership for another round. How about those inspirational leaders, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, eh? Don't they just deserve plaudits for how they led their party successfully into battle this week? Shouldn't we reward them with more terms at the party helm over the next two, four and six years? That would be a real masterstroke. Not.
Speaking of whom, my personal nominee for the most outrageous performance in the category of American irony has to go to Barack Obama for the jaw-dropping performance he gave at his post-"shellacking" press conference this week. I recently compared this president to Ricky Ray Rector, the mentally impaired condemned man who asked to have his pecan pie saved for "later" as he was about to be executed by the State of Arkansas. Before that I described the president as the pass-around rag doll for the fellas of Cell Block D. I can now see that in both cases I was far too generous.
After two years of the rabid right saying anything imaginable about him - down to questioning his citizenship and religion - and after a series of Republican leaders publicly announcing that they would not be compromising with the president and that their goal was to remove him from office - after all this, there was Mr. Happy Face once more talking about how he was hopeful that the two sides could come together in the spirit of public service and reach agreements with each other in the name of the public's demand for bipartisan efforts to solve pressing problems. They are running scorched earth white phosphorous bombing raids on this guy, and he continues to respond with "Thank you sir, may I have another?".
This behavior started out as mystifying, became anger-inducing, transcended into the pathological, and now has become truly, eye-avertingly, just embarrassing and sad. I don't think we can avoid saying this anymore: Our president is mentally unwell. In the same way that we don't let our children walk the streets on their own until they know that moving cars are a threat to their safety when crossing the road, this man who cannot properly identify a vicious enemy of his (and ours), even when it announces itself on national television, should not be anywhere near government, let alone in the Oval Office. It may be safe for him to go back to being a law professor, but he should no more be allowed to deal with Republicans and CEOs than drunken frat boys should be permitted to drive a Caterpillar earthmover through a suburban neighborhood at two o'clock in the morning.
Undoubtedly the greatest irony of the lot, however, is that this country's problems are of its own making, and that the solutions to these threats are so transparent - chiefly because they used to be public policy. We had most of this stuff figured out once, but then we got greedy and stupid and pissed it all away. We knew after the experience of 1929 that Wall Street had to be regulated, and so we did. And it worked, until we decided to try the old way again, with the same consequences. We learned after Vietnam not to follow lying presidents into destructive wars that suited their personal ambitions. And it worked, until we forgot the lesson and were doomed to repeat the consequences. We learned from Reagan that tax cuts unmatched by spending cuts would drive a Mack truck through the budget, but then Cheney said "Reagan proved deficits don't matter", so we did it again, and now we're doing it a third time. And so on, and so on. I tell ya, I'd feel a lot better about our predicament if someone else was the cause of it. Some evil, external, bad guy. But surely, Shirley, the dumbest people on Earth are the ones who shoot themselves in the foot. Dumbest, that is, except for the ones who reload and do it again to the other foot.
Things may get better in this country, but not before they get worse, I can tell you that. And possibly not before they get really worse. The next two years are going to bring loads more nightmare our way. The scary moment comes when the doubling-down on regressivism produces the predictable outcome of more national disaster. Think of the present moment, cranked out on irradiated steroids. Just as has been the case lately, many will argue that we need to double down on these malignant ideas, and that anyone saying otherwise is a threat to society who should be treated accordingly. That's called fascism.
And that's the beauty of conservatism. Each time it fails, there are plenty among us for whom that failure represents a reason to do even more of the same.
If you're not depressed enough this week already, consider this: Next time around we might just quadruple-down on stupidity.
Oh boy.


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Show All"... I don't think the word irony is sufficient to touch that one."
The word he's looking for is 'psychotic'.
Agreed, Galen.....
Yes, its beyond irony.
Although tea partiers have correctly identified the symptoms of the problem, they avoid paying any attention to the root of the problem, and they are supporting remedies for problems that don't exist.
Most self-styled liberals are ignoring the root and symptoms of the problem and hoping their smooth talking hoop shooter in the white house will be able to pull a rabbit out of his sleeve at some point and we will all live happily ever after.
We will therefore lose irrespective of who wins the white house in 2012.
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"Our president is mentally unwell."
No, I don't think so. He's just an opportunist, professional corporate puppet, who's updating his act. He's also preparing for his next, post White House, role as corporate spokesman and speech giver.
"post White House, role as corporate spokesman and speech giver."
Don't forget, professor of Constitutional law! Francis Boyle is boiling over with that one!
I'm not convinced that this upcoming generation is all you say. Not from where I'm sitting. The few I know who care at all about the issues of our day, beyond how they are going to affect their American dreams, tell me they're surrounded by people zoned out on Jersey Shores, which is apparently a reality show about the stupidest of teens. But maybe that's just in my city. One can always hope the new generation will get some sense, but from where I sit, I see them totally hooked into their constant entertainment devices, oblivious, propagandized, lulled, stupified into an inability to think critically, given that you can get them interested in trying.
Homeschooling seems to be the best option. I wish I'd been able to do so for my daughter, but a messy divorce precluded that option.
Kids today. All they want to do is walk erect.
--Australopithecine father
//Not from where I'm sitting.//
Same with my classroom. "Students" seduced by their blinking, twittering, attention-grabbing electronica, oblivious of the world around them, their attention spans reduced to something approximating that of a gnat. Of a student population of over 150 in my four classes, I see fewer than a half-dozen pairs of eyes whose alertness suggests actual neuronal firing going on behind them.
I shudder at the prospect of their waking up - because of what it will surely take to wake them up.
Green seems quite off in assessing the generations. Most all the people who talk real sense these days are in their 80s--people like Helen Thomas, Gore Vidal, Ralph Nader--people whose brains formed before the propaganda stream got too thick. Who will replace them?
Here's a little Utube called "Be Nice to America. Or We'll Bring Democracy to Your Country." An amusing take on being in front of a classroom these days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee6SdmmCN5Y
I wonder how many of those kids are being given drugs by their parents to "keep them under control"
You're correct. DMG's thesis doesn't hold any water. It will be interesting to see how many others are as perceptive.
Now I see the problem. Living a few minutes drive from Hostra University in 1960, at age 17 I went to Colorado School of Mines. Mea culpa.
Trylon
DMG (not me) is a shallow, boring, stupid, "progressive" thinker (non-thinker). He is part of the problem. He lacks any analytical sophistication whatsoever, and is as symptomatic as anyone or anything of the pathetic nature of support for the Obaminator. Please, DMG, just shut up. Shut up, for goodness sakes. You have absolutely nothing of relevance to say about anything.
For an actual analysis, see this:
http://www.zcommunications.org/november-2nd-the-end-of-progressivism-by-david-green
And that's the way it is.
--Walter Cronkite
I don't see anything like "support for the Obaminator" in this piece. However, the author is desperately in need of an editor.
DG, my sentiments as well. I admit i only once, got through one of his blog entries here. I just can't take his sophomoric ramblings. He has a very inflated sense of his own perspective, no doubt enhanced by being a professor.
Tried to read through all of your boring and opinionated non sequiturs at Znet but they were too badly written. However they did show your ignorance about Progressivism.
"Those who identify with the term seem unwilling or unable to honestly address its historical lineage from the early 20th century, which from an authentic, class-based leftist perspective is inseparable from “corporate liberalism” and aggressive foreign policies of the past 120 years." DavidGreen
"inseparable from “corporate liberalism”? Quite the opposite.
American progressives oppose growing influence of corporations and so did presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, who are on record for checking the rise of corporate power and abuses.
Calling names doesn't become you, nor does it raise your esteem in others eyes. Please make your worthy points. Let them stand by their own substance (or fall), without resort to distracting personal as aspersions. Thank you.
David Green- I very much like your article on Znet.
My comment about David Michael Green is similar to many other CD blogers.
DMG seems afraid to admit that 'Obomber is just a puppet.
But I must say DMG does make me laugh: And that is something in this cold cruel world of me me.
When will DMG dare to enter this forum and tell us why he thinks Obomber is just weak and afraid to stand up for all those "2 billion people that he mentions.
Come on Mr. MDG: answer your Green Mentors. Or are you the teacher that has nothing left to learn?
David Green- I very much like your article on Znet.
My comment about David Michael Green is similar to many other CD blogers.
DMG seems afraid to admit that 'Obomber is just a puppet.
But I must say DMG does make me laugh: And that is something in this cold cruel world of me me.
When will DMG dare to enter this forum and tell us why he thinks Obomber is just weak and afraid to stand up for all those "2 billion people that he mentions.
Come on Mr. MDG: answer your Green Mentors.is Obomber just a weak President or is he just a Puppet who really just supports the Power Elite? Or are you the teacher that has little left to learn?
Where I grew up (Germany 1933-55) all the information came from tightly controlled sources. So we ended up supporting a system that was out to conquer the world.
In the USA you have had a similar control over the media since the late thirties, all about being superior and needing to conquer the world.
It's all about control of the mind space - at least for the average population - and control works.
So here we are, the 4th Reich is about to go down in flames and I hope we are smart enough to surrender before the leadership decides we should all go down together in the ultimate conflagration.
(I think they call it - and wish for: Armageddon).
where's my comment, CD? did you censor it because i mentioned AIPAC in it?
as i said,
there is no irony in the political game, the unholy alliance between AIPAC, wall street, the ROVEian gop, and the christian zionists.
their greed and the usual combination of arrogance/stupidity blinded them from foreseeing the inevitable bankrupsy, political and eocnomic, and appreciating the ferocity in the response of by people around the world.
jump off the crashing train, and start building alternative ways of life now!
From the article, "Put bluntly, this country's main problem is old white guys." I don't know about that, Condi Rice and Hillary Clinton seemed to fill those shoes of the old white guys just fine.
Right now I am watching the morning bobble head news shows and there is a former Reagan budget guy telling the truth, that we are an empire in decline, we need major cuts in defense spending, get rid of some air craft carriers etc. We need to raise taxes on the rich, and we need to do these things an other things NOW.
Of course that guy is not an elected politician so he can tell the truth. Sitting next to him is a republican Rep Mike Pence who is still screaming we need tax cuts for the rich to stimulate jobs in small business. (How come it hasn't worked for the last 10 years was not asked of Mr Pence of course), Same old tired lie being dragged out one more time.
I am completely pessimistic about the future of this country. The system has been completely corrupted by money, and will in general just attract more crooks to feed at the money trough until the whole thing collapses under the weight of its own corruption.
The young people today certainly are not as racist, sexist, or homophobic as their elders. But they are every bit as corporatist. And that is all that really matters to the corporatist plutocrats who run this place and that is why this country's future is darker than the deepest abyss.
"Did somebody challenge the US to a Stupidity Smackdown contest thirty years ago, and we in our vanity, arrogance and pride accepted the dare?"
You'd think after making the exact same observation about the "stupidity" of the American electorate for the millionth time one might begin to ponder if that's all there was to it. But no.
HELLO!!! We are a propagandized state.
Geez, I guess all the millions living in the USSR were f*cking stupid, too, huh? Communist China? Nazi Germany? All of them f*cking stupid. No propaganda there. Nope.
People like DMG need to strip themselves of their last remaining illusions before they and the rest of us can begin to move forward.
If a populous as large as the United States cannot even see how they've been getting screwed for the last number decades there may be more there than just "stupidity" at play.
Hmmm, do you think that "stupidity" could be conditioned into a population? Learned helplessness? Anger?
One of the strongest American illusions is that we're all savvy, ass-kickers immune to being "hoodwinked" and taken advantage of.
The first step is realizing that as an ordinary American citizen you've been a sucker at some point in your life. Maybe you're still a sucker, who knows?
The second step is realizing that that is ok and that there's nothing to be embarrassed about.
As an individual you fell prey to the most sophisticated propaganda system ever-devised in the history of mankind, there's no room for shame. They don't spend billions and billions of dollars on it for nothing.
Wake up, DMG, and quit phoning it in.
Excellent comment!!!
"Wake up, DMG, and quit phoning it in."
DMG has a right to his opinions as much as you do.
I sincerely am trying to help.
We must - all of us - stop ourselves from engaging those who rule us in the way that THEY want to be engaged.
That means avoiding the linguistic traps and philosophical frames which they use to keep our conversations well within THEIR comfort zones.
Seriously, a shift in how we speak and think about our situations is a movement that all of us on a limitless number of levels can actively participate in daily.
Helping people think better helps people to speak better helps people to live better.
But you can't start to do this until you begin to realize that you might be using words and arguments that have already been chosen for you.
You might have feelings and reactions to political and social events around you that have been tailored for said feelings and reactions.
I'm not saying that this change in perspective is easy - especially due to the psychology duress each of us experiences in our current propagandosphere but it must begin at some point.
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Yes, thank you.
Thank you. It seems that when facing frustrating political setbacks, many liberals reflexively adopt an elitist analysis that relies on accusing the masses of stupidity. It's very common and very tiresome.
DMG was an Obama supporter. So maybe he should take a long look in the mirror before criticizing the masses.
Good points, and I largely agree.
Occam's razor is a principle that is popularly summarized as "the simplest explanation is usually the correct one." (Wikipedia). The simplest explanation for all this bullshit that so many see as competition in politics is that there is no competition in politics - it's an illusion kept up by technocrats in all our institutions, including (especially) academia.
In keeping with Occam's razor, allow me to offer a simple way to distinguish reality from bullshit in politics (and most other things): Follow the money.
(edited to conform to Occam's razor)
Im curious about how propaganda, gullibility, critical thinking, and plain old stupidity play together. I've noticed that it is not politically correct here to call anyone stupid any more no matter what they say or do. Everyone is just innocent victims of our propaganda system. Now I've talked to people that lived in the old soviet union and most would say yea we knew it was propaganda, just didn't pay any more attention to it than we had to.
I'm a product of the american education and propaganda system. I never went to college so never got exposed to politics at a university level. It was just as I looked around things just didn't add up, then once the internet came along and I could get other political views than the ones I saw on the MSM I started putting things together for myself.
It was only fairly recently that we all saw the craziness at the town hall meetings, and tea party rallies, the raising of the shallow Sara Palin to a viable presidential candidate. Why haven't the fox news watchers, the Sara Palin lovers, taken a little initiative to educate themselves. At what point are they to be held responsible for their own ignorance and swallow the lies and propaganda that is fed to them? Does anybody here remember the "Death Panels" that had peoples shorts all twisted around less than 6 months ago? None of this strikes anyone else here as just plain old stupidity?
As someone that has taken the time and effort to dig my way through the bullshit I've been feed for most of my life, I just have to say that I do get a little aggravated these folks sometimes. And sorry but I don't feel I am being "elitist" about it either.
I'll admit the propaganda angle wasn't always my argument of choice but after reflecting for years about the pervasiveness of said "idiocy" and the angry reactions that it never failed to inspire in me it began to dawn on me that there was more to it than originally appeared. Even being familiar with the history of propaganda throughout the centuries - esp. the 20th - I had underestimated how subtle and nearly seamless American propaganda truly was.
The key phrase I like to always remember is PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY.
Plausible deniability is basically the key to the propaganda system we exist under.
There's always an excuse and a reason for why the people never get what they want.
There's always an excuse/reason for why our leaders screw us.
The great "beauty" of the propaganda is that these excuses/reasons sound very, very credible unless you are constantly astute and aware. Why do you think there is so much seemingly pointless news "analysis" 24/7? To provide an ever present blanket of plausible deniability for the way things are.
A level of constant awareness I believe is next to impossible in the face of our propaganda's pervasiveness. In all probability, one will fall/has fallen for it at some point in time - even AFTER knowing of the existence of said propaganda system. It's really that effective.
My feeling is that the "blind" need our help even if we sometimes almost hate to give it them because by dividing us as a society the work of the elites is so much the easier.
And, more likely than not, we ourselves were/are "blind" as well in some respects.
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In Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea's Illuminatus! Trilogy (the freaky LSD drenched book, not the right wing Xian book of similar title that came after), a scenario develops about the "fnords". Fnords are markers that one is trained early on in the public indoctrination system. Children are hypnotized early in life and programmed to, at the conscious level to ignore any information that has the fnords embedded, but to react violently whenever confronted with information that had been exposed to with fnords embedded in it.
It makes a handy metaphor/model.
It is not just the outrageous lies that some people fall for in their adherence to a political point of view, conservative or liberal. It is often the foundational concepts that many on both ends of the conventional political perspectives share in common, such as:
-America is the freest country in the world
-Economic growth = prosperity
and more economic growth = more prosperity for more people
-America is the greatest country in the world
-Competition, in the form of each of us pursuing our self interest, in a free market system, benefits society as a whole
-We should all support the troops when the nation is at war
-We should support the president when the nation is at war because he is Commander in Chief
-Capitalism leads to freedom and democracy
-Capitalism leads to progress
-Incremental positive change always leads to progress
-Socialism and Communism are evil things to be avoided in policy, academics and public life
There are a great number of these, some of which may even appear true on their faces, but deeper analysis reveals unsettling complexity and inequalities. Some are blatantly false, such as the notion that America is the freest country in the world. Some reinforce our selfish impulses, or our nationalistic impulses. Some justify our laziness in thinking, or our ridiculously high levels of consumption (compared to the rest of the planet). What these memes all have in common is that they were created to benefit someone other than us, the masses, the working class. Believing some of these doesn't make one stupid, it makes one an American.
csp....there is a difference between tropes or memes ie. zeitgeist; and an individuals grasp of that zeitgeist etc..
individuals BE stupid! (yes?) and, individuals who are ignorant, often be just like stupid people (si?) (here at the debating society we love our definition wars).
one of the things i've seen about my amerikan ignorami is that they "see" themselves as nice. and it isn't "nice" to call some one stoopid and it certainly isn't "NICE" to argue politics.(therefore, same 'ol shit... ''murkans number 1''...nice!)
so, is it a rotten chicken or a rotten egg comrade? some ting smelling rotten, da? peecevedanya
NC-Tom November 7th, 2010 6:45 pm
I agree with you that there are many commentators here who have propagandised themselves into extremes of political correctness so that they have a compulsive need to cluck like hens when one calls a certain group of people stupid, when all evidence supports that assertion. Their own biological mind chemistry coming from extreme political correctness conditioning, a well-nurtured Jesus complex of showing "good" heartedness, and convinced by (ill-understood) Marxist thinking that the "masses" can't be wrong, they assert it must be the other (non-mass person who are usually some vague plutocrats or their sychophants)who is "misleading" the inncocent masses who have (or had) hearts and minds that are pure as driven snow, but now corrupted by the other's propaganda. These people have to be saved by us progressives from the clutches of their evil masters. The amount of apologetic for the masses spewing out of the brains of the extreme PC's, without any internal logic or reasoning, that excuses the "masses" of any fault is dished out repeatedly on CD every time that someone with the cojones and brains makes a correct logical analysis of the facts on the ground to assert mass stupidity. That is itself stupefyingly stupid. It speaks to the intellectual and knowledge level of the clucking PC hens; bird brain comes to mind. Bird brains don't make good progressives.
These self-appointed paragons of PC just jump into any ongoing discussion on a thread at most inpoortune moments to "stand up" for the masses and call others "elitist", or worse - - an academic. Most annoyingly, each call is the same smug opinion and posturing repeated ad nauseam, as if the PC's have ready to cut and paste these opinions in their storehouses of PC platitudes and apologetic. It results in a maddening interruption in the chain of reasoning in on a topic. Thread focus is lost as the discussants are forced on the defensive and digress to show they are not elitist.
My experience on CD has been that these PC cops display the same wimpishness that pervades petit bourgeois liberalism, of which Obama, at least in his observed behaviour, is a paradigm example. It seems to me that their pervasive presence on CD is looking more and more like sophisticated sabotage of well reasoned analyses to ensure they don't reach their logical conclusions. From this I infer that they are then just part of the overall propaganda in America that allows neither the so called masses nor even people with knowledge and reason on their side, especially the latter,to cultivate, nurture and employ critical thinking. In places such as Scandinavia and elsewhere, where genuine social democracy rules, or even in semi-capitalist countries such as France, the level of critical analysis is much higher than here. I bet that CD would look pathetic compared to similar "progressive" blog sites on the Internet in the countries I mention. Heck even LeMonde in France has much more sophisticated and intense analysis than CD.
To the PC and other self-appointed guardians of the masses, I say this: The mob is almost always wrong, driven to frenzy by slogans, which itself is indicative of low IQ or critical thinking or both. American right wing masses are usually engaged in self-destructive behaviour, even if some individuals in the mob are quite clever when alone and not part of the sloganized group. Herd behaviour among humans is now such a well-documented phenomenon of 50,000 years of human history, and analysed by anthropoligists and recently by neuroscientists with intense research ongoing, that any argument against mass delusions and herd mentality is silly.
I mean, we have 6,000 years of religious beliefs in gross supernatural superstitions among billions of people. Many PC's may claim all these people can't be wrong, and it is elitist to say they are under mass delusion. The claim is specious and itself a delusional belief in the face of countless facts to the contrary of of murderous relgious wars, economic and health stupidities, such as as against women's right to choose, and of course voting against your own interests in the name of Jesus. Masses have often behaved and still do behave stupidly. Calling them as such is not elitist or anti-leftist or anti-progressive.
In the present case of the recent election, the mass of white crackers from the deep south and the tea-party, who do happen to be older and whiter than any other group from all the photographic evidence, who voted to curtail benefits from social security and give that surplus over to the banksters, when without SS, the majority of these oldies would be on the street completely destitute, can only be described in the simplest possible way - - stupid.
I am here following the so-called Occam's Razor rule just mentioned above,by the way. Genuine progressives are often dragged into hell kicking and screaming by these stupid people who are all pumped up to go to Hades. Progressives cannot defend themselves with guns;but at least they can defend themselves with biting, critical commentary and call a spade a spade.
Sorry for the rant. But it is getting tiresome now to accommodate the addictive urge of the PC addicts to indulge their urges on every thread that deals with the insane beaviour of many groups of people in the US.
Good rant. As far as religion goes I was raised a catholic, but was never a strong believer. Slowly over time became more and more of an atheist as I saw what has and is being done in the name of religion. After much reasoning I have concluded without a reasonable doubt there is no god. I am fine with that conclusion, but it does lead to another rather disturbing conclusion, and that is that most people I live with on this planet hold delusional beliefs that there is a god and are quite happy to act in some very strange and in many cases irrational ways because of this belief. Also when it comes to their beliefs, these people can not be reasoned with at all.
Sometimes those realizations make it difficult for me to get to sleep at night.
The problem is not a belief in "God" but the way you use that to justify your behavior.
If you look at what Jesus actually is supposed to have said, it's actually some pretty good stuff.
Problem is that these people who claim to be "Christian" often have no concept of what the person they claim to "believe in" actually said or did, just that he "died for them".
And some people realize that most people have no concept of what they claim to believe in, and decide to take advantage of that to make huge sums of money.
reason and tom....marx and his defense of the proletariat predates the necessary improvement in perception brought about in the fields of psychology and statistics (the law of large numbers,etc.)
the average person, as well as the average educated person, are "ignorant" when it comes to the forces of causality.
when it comes to the set piece called "right and left," each supposed side has its "set" arguments. the left is seemingly FORCED to argue for the virtues of hoi polloi, because of the very real disdain of the oligarchy. (another example of this "forced binary" can be seen when a r. maddow has to counter some nonsense spewed by the stoopidest of the rightwing----FORCED BINARY!)
anywho, i enjoyed the rant. i was told once that the only secret society was intelligence. i would also add: "years in the saddle" and HONESTY! the existential truth is that this planet is an insane asylum. after that, it's just that some of the inmates on some of the wards are arguing for a few more plants in the solarium (worth doing of course)...peace
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"If a populous as large as the United States cannot even see how they've been getting screwed for the last number decades there may be more there than just "stupidity" at play."
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It would be difficult for us Boomers to see that we have been getting screwed for decades as we have mostly done better than our parents. We and our children have mostly been educated beyond high school. We and they have bigger cars and houses than our parents. More toys. We travel the world on our vacations where our fathers only got to see Europe and Africa in uniform. Many of us worked to retire early, have pensions and savings and investments and paid off houses.
Not much propaganda was needed to keep us believing that the system was working for us, at least not until the last decade. The propaganda was needed to make us believe that we deserved our perks and that those who did not have as much were at fault for not keeping up. The propaganda was needed while we watched our values and beliefs of what is right and wrong and fair compromised. Propaganda was needed to justify the wars. Propaganda was needed to justify the tax changes removal of the regulations that kept wealth in check. Propaganda was needed to get us to accept only two political choices. And so on.
But mostly the propaganda was to convince us that the accumulation of wealth is a good thing and more important than probably anything else. And we were mostly more successful at that than our parents. Things were good and after all if the system is working for us then it is not broke and why fix it? As long as we were (are) convinced that the accumulation of wealth is the highest goal and are successful at that it is almost impossible to see ourselves as being screwed except when that success begins to be taken away from us. And for the most part if rather recently we begin to see ourselves as being screwed we still tend to see it based on the belief that the accumulation of wealth is good and that we are not doing as well as we think we should.
Thanks for confirming the validity of my constant harping about the Propaganda and Indoctrination Systems since CD allowed commentary. How many millions saw "The Matrix" and learned nothing?
Perfect. Thanks. Those who think Americans are stupid should start by examining where they get their ideas.
DMG explains to the alien... "You see, little green dude, we were extremely unhappy with the state of our country, so what we did was to grab as many of the people as we could find who had just put us in that condition, and we put them back in power. Get it?"
Being that I currently feel like Charelton Heston in Planet of the Apes... stranded on a primate planet... watching the apes running things to the ground... I think I could play the role of this alien and answer DMG this way:
"Do I get it? Sure I do. But I think YOU are the one who does NOT get it, Mr. Green. Did those who put the country in this sorry condition really ever lose power? Why are you such a fool to believe this drivel? Do you even know where REAL POWER lies in your horrible little system? I mean, why do you continue to think that the real power lies in the political system, when empirical evidence clearly illustrates otherwise? You poor little fella... someday you may get it."
As for the rest of this essay... I'm sorry DMG... but I think you have swung and missed. I know your intentions are good... but, please, quit blaming the victims. You do your readership no good by continuing to participate in spreading shallow symptomatic analysis... please start trying to dig a little deeper for the root of the problems, instead of fondling and stroking the symptoms.
Good show old man, good show. Symptoms indeed.
You can't make ice cubes in the oven and you can't warm up dinner in the freezer.
IOW- the system does what the system does, because that is how it is constructed.
From which it follows that to make things better one has to alter the structure itself.
Bravo!! Bravo!!
Constitution 3.0 provides for new institutions and direction at the national level. This process can be implemented at the state level far easier because state constitutions are more democratic and thus easier to amend; so, a whole new document and institutions aren't required. Vermont is the state farthest along such a path, and others are following; unfortunately, the Propaganda System blackout ensures few know.
Green sez: "The size of the drunken bacchanal they're throwing on K Street to celebrate Feingold's political demise is precisely the measure of his lonely public interest spirit."
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Every day is a drunken bacchanal on K Street. Every election is a win for those guys, party affiliation be damned.