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Problems with Nuclear Power Highlighted by Gulf Disaster?
Nobody's perfect, and so mistakes do happen. But while I doubt if any of us could conceive of the tragedy coming with a reported 35,000 to 60,000 barrels of oil daily entering The Gulf, are we any more capable of conceiving what might come with a nuclear disaster? While optimism is important, it's sometimes a trap - just ask BP.
Before we are ‘sold' into a wholehearted embrace of the ‘clean, safe, and reliable' energy that gave us the Chernobyl Disaster, perhaps we might want to consider why so many of us are so sure ‘the unthinkable' can never occur...at least until it does.
We humans are an interesting species, our achievements demonstrating that we are capable of virtually incalculable greatness. Unfortunately, our catastrophes - such as that ostensibly ‘one in a million' chance oil debacle in The Gulf - demonstrate that we have our downsides too. Of course, sometimes even I happen to have that ever so rare occasion when, dare I say it, even I actually make an error; though, I reassure myself that this just means I'm only human. But that's precisely it - 'human error' can be a problem.
I recently read an opinion piece titled "Recipes for Ruin, in the Gulf or on Wall Street". The author, an academic from the University of Chicago, indeed making a good point about our society's capability for estimating the capacity we have for grave miscalculation, not to mention its consequences. Pointing to The Gulf Debacle and Wall Street's financial crisis, he noted our track record for foreseeing disaster could be better.
The Professor seemed to feel that we have been, and yet remain, unduly optimistic. He also noted that "we do not live in an ideal world", and then (simultaneously offering that he felt compelled to utilize a genteel term) strongly observed that "stuff happens". And indeed it does.
Thanks to legislation dating from the Exxon Valdez disaster, we have some recourse to seek damages from those business entities that, for one reason or another, find themselves responsible for adding oil pollution to our already less than pristine environment. But just as our all too human capacity for making mistakes was responsible for 'Exxon Valdez', and certainly appears to have played a role in The Gulf, it also was found to have been a factor in America's best known nuclear accident, 'Three Mile Island'.
While we got lucky at Three Mile Island, managing to avoid a scenario that could have been far worse, the illusion of infallible nuclear safety systems was temporarily tarnished. Then came the Chernobyl, and with it a reminder of our sad capacity for boundless technological optimism, plus the inherent dangers which we, as beings that are 'only human', bring to any equation.
It's estimated that it will be a couple centuries before the countryside in the vicinity of Chernobyl is safe again; though, it's thought that the immediate area of the meltdown will take an estimated 2,000 years before being habitable. The human costs were staggering as well, and though only about thirty died either immediately or not long thereafter, excess cancer cases, birth defects, and a host of radiation induced maladies are yet debated as to their eventual toll. According to a Greenpeace report, the number of additional cancer fatalities could top 100,000.
Even if we had legislation guaranteeing payment for ‘damages' in case of nuclear mishap, realistically, how can one put a price tag on the catastrophic suffering, not to mention those parts of America that would be uninhabitable? Perhaps we have been ‘unduly optimistic', but we're only human.
I won't mention that our faith in those with the US Minerals Management Service, and their 'faith' in those they were meant to regulate, brought us that huge bowl of 'oil chowder' we had once called The Gulf of Mexico. If there's currently a better example of our all too natural capacity for error, then it escapes me.
I won't cite President Obama's March decision ending the moratorium on offshore drilling just weeks before BP's Gulf Debacle began, but it does show that even those who are smart and capable do make mistakes. However, what concerns me far more is the President's February decision to support the construction of two new nuclear power plants, the first since the 1970's.
While the ongoing Gulf Spill presents an ecological crisis of yet untold proportions, the effects of any substantive 'nuclear spill' would be far worse. But hey, even the best of us 'make mistakes', and given that, maybe the President will realize his position on nuclear power could well prove a huge one.
With The Gulf leaving the consequences of human error so fresh in our minds, perhaps now is the time for phasing out nuclear power, not increasing it.
Of course, President Obama has also called for a vast increase in renewable energy, and that does seem a better idea. I sincerely believe the President to be a decent and capable man, it's just that no ones perfect, and so perhaps we must indeed try and avoid our all too human potential for mistakes, especially those that are 'nuclear'.
The damaging effects of radiation can last a lot longer than those of oil. Though some of us certainly claim that today's nuclear power is ‘clean, safe, and reliable', of course, wasn't the same said of today's deepwater oil exploration?
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Show Allhttp://www.euradcom.org/publications/chernobylebook.pdf
"They were deliberating among themselves as to how they could give
Wings to Death so that it could, in a moment, penetrate everywhere,
both near and far..."
http://www.greenaudit.org/publications.htm
http://www.amazon.com/Chernobyl-Consequences-Catastrophe-Environment-Sciences/dp/1573317578/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1276868876&sr=1-1
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17571
P.S. It is no concidence, that these books are so expensive ....
But - it is not "just" the "accidents" that threaten our lives, it is the NORMAL OPERATION of nuclear power plants because the "radiation protection models" that tell us, not to worry, are complete BS and the result of political influence, not independent scientific research ...
http://www.greenaudit.org/high_risks_at_low_doses__2002.htm
Child cancer incidence is rising everywhere ... every year studies show that children living near nuclear power plants have a significantly higher risk of getting leukemia ... every year they say... not possible, the radiation dose is too low ...
But, as Dr.Busby explains, even a very tiny "dose", even one highly ionizing alpha-particle, (e.g.) stuck in lung-tissue, will keep "firing" energy at the surrounding (tiny) cells, with a great risk that the genetic damage can no longer be repaired ....
so talking about "body dose" (absorbed energy per mass unit: Joule / kg) is completely ridiculous yet they cling to the stupid model ....
Promoting nuclear energy as the panacea for our energy problems is a huge illusion ...
there is NO, I repeat NO PLACE ON EARTH where the radioactive waste could be stored safely for thousands of years ... so anyone pushing for a "nuclear renaissance" is a potential mass murderer (that includes the ecosystem)
Two possibilities here:
1) Ritt is smoking some really good stuff and really believes that the "smart and capable, well intentioned" Obama has made a few missteps.
2) Ritt has a vested interest in promoting Obama's pro-corporate agenda.
It should be apparent to anybody with a 3 digit IQ that Obama and the nuclear industry have staged a hugely successful campaign to convince American voters that we will all be living in the dark without more "clean, safe nuclear power".
Bill:
Your assertion that granite (buildings, countertops, etc.) contains and emits radiation is incorrect.
The amount of radiation emitted from granite varies, depending upon the composition of the granite. Granite from many quarries around the globe emit no radiation.
Come on. We are all exposed to bacteria and viruses every day, but it is different if we set up a mosquito breeding puddle in areas in which dengue and yellow fevers are found.
By the way, the jury is out about the effects of x-rays. We do not know because there has not been sufficient study about medical radiation. On the whole, medical practice has tried to move toward smaller and more directed doses to avoid the serious side effects of radiation. That should be a clue.
Joe
Just an afterthought - seeing that the author is based in Sweden:
I just heard on the radio (here in Germany) that the Swedish government has decided to build NEW REACTORS in spite of the fact, that a national referendum couple of years ago showed overwhelming support for a nuclear exit (not replacing the old reactors when they are taken out of service; Doublespeak: the "decommissioning" of old power plants is discussed in the media as if it were like shutting down a factory .. it takes millions of Euros / dollars and about a decade to do this ...(as nobody is able to go into the irradiated areas and just start to dismantle the parts ...)
The nuclear energy industry (more like the mafia "omerta" and all that) is not only a huge threat for all life on earth, it is also incompatible with DEMOCRACY...
http://www.swedishwire.com/politics/1532-sweden-to-build-new-nuclear-plants
Greenpeace projected 100,000 eventual deaths from Chernobyl right after it happened. Actually, I think the prediction was 200,000. It's been over 20 years, there hasn't been 1 additional death - it's time to stop talking about that prediction, except as an example of how wrong the LNT theory has been.
We did not get lucky at Three Mile Island.
Where we got lucky was in the reaction to TMI - the nuclear industry redoubled efforts to build a culture of safety and improve their defense in depth strategies.
There's a huuuuge difference between those cowboys in the gulf and the people in the nuclear industry. It's insane that we had people drilling in deep water with no safety mechanisms on hand in case of a blowout, no safety mechanisms ever even tested in deep water, no plans on how to cope with the emergency. The best thing that could come out of this gulf disaster would be for the oil industry to take a page from the nuclear industry on how to build a culture of safety.
Of course, there is also a huge difference between the graphite moderated and inherently unstable Chernobyl reactor, and a light water reactor like TMI, where loss of coolant also stops the reaction. Chernobyl was a glass jug of gasoline perched on the edge of a kitchen while supper is being prepared. A light water reactor is a fire log on the same shelf.
Where are Three Mile Island and Yankee Power located on the kitchen shelf? There are small accidents at nuclear power plants all over the world all the time. Greenpeace keeps a log. Why should I not be afraid of this source of power as compared with solar and wind?
Joe
How can we know for sure that the nuclear industry does not cut corners? Why are they different from oil, or mining, or banking or chemical considering that they are all led by similar corporate cultures and regulated, or not, by similar highly corruptible governmental structures? This is a sincere question.
And we still have that waste disposal problem.
Joe
I wonder if the nuclear power companies have the same disaster plans as BP and the other oil companies? Including plans to save the imaginary walruses in the Gulf of Mexico? Or are Democrats waiting until after the next meltdown to discover that Obama was, *gasp*, mislead by the nuclear companies? How could they!!! Obama trusted them!!!! He saw into their soul....(or more precicely he saw their campaign donations).
Gently put Ritt. Let me take a harder edge. A nuclear meltdown is capable of rendering an entire State uninhabitable for thousands of years and of potentially killing millions not thousands of people. Boiling water with an atomic bomb is pure hubris and a sociopathic wingnut ejaculation. End the nuclear power insanity now. Disasters are happening with increasingly regularity and nuclear power will not be spared it's turn. Nuclear power cannot win this butt kicking contest or we all lose big, and probably soon. Wake the f**k up people!
tomhairless Nuclear plants generate electricity
by boiling water. I can boil water quite safely on my kitchen stove. And if I have an accident the worst case is I burn down my neighborhood.
Moreover I do not produce wastes deadly for tens of thousands of years. And I don't have the insoluble problem of a warning that can be understood for those tens of thousands of years.
If you don't know this is a problem try reading
Chaucer in the original Middle English from 600 years ago.
Okay. Let's get some things straight.
1. High safety statistics do NOT insure that we won't have accidents. Think of it this way, a state lottery might have one hundred million to one odds. That means that the vast majority of the people in that state who play the lottery will not win. It doesn't mean there won't be a winner. There will be a winner.
So if the odds for a nuclear reactor being safe are very high, even a million to one, that only means that the vast majority of reactors over the vast majority of time will be safe. It doesn't mean there won't be an accident. There will be an accident.
2. What matters is not only the risk rate to the benefit rate. What also matters is how severe the risk will be if it happens. (Point one tells us it WILL happen sooner or later.)
So if the severity of the risk is that one nuclear plant will no longer produce power, people will be out of jobs, and investors will lose fortunes, but no one dies or gets sick, then this severity might be low enough that it's worth the benefits when considering the high statistics.
But if the severity of the risk is the destruction of an entire ecosystem for millennia, the deaths of many and hundreds of thousands of people becoming ill over lifetimes with mortal diseases, then the risk is too high when we know that sooner or later this will happen.
3. Nuclear power is stupid. It doesn't work unless there are huge subsidies. Maybe if we had Fusion instead of Fission. WAIT...we already have a very powerful Fusion Generator that's only light seconds away. All we have to do is collect the energy and we have more energy than we'll ever need.
nuke plant or oil well, both must be turned off and disassembled...
the common dangers are not just operative, but post-operative, as well, no pun intended...
billions of years, no one ever plugged anything in...
now, we can't do without?
This number of deaths caused by Chernobyl is severely underestimated. There is a new study just published by the New York Academy of Sciences that places the number of deaths caused by cancer as result of the meltdown at 985,000, and counting. Here is an excellent article on that book and how the World Health Organization (WHO) was prevented from publishing without approval of the IAEA, an organization dedicated to the development of Nuclear Energy. Here is an excellent article on this new study and the pressure by the Nuclear Industry to suppress the true damage caused by the Chernobyl meltdown.
http://www.counterpunch.org/grossman04232010.html
In the larger scheme of things, the uranium fuel actually doesn't spend much time making electricity. The fuel must be mined, transported, processed, and installed in the reactor. Once spent, the fuel must then be removed, encased, and stored. For about 100,000 years. At each step of the process, the uranium becomes progressively more dangerous. Enriched, reactor grade material cannot be rendered safe. Even the mine tailings - crud and dust from the strip mines - can be washed into rivers, and blown hundreds of miles downwind. Combined with the petro-chemical residue already in the environment, childhood exposure to this residue of progress is slowly killing us all.
We did not get lucky at Three Mile Island. Instead, we got silent. I believe that Mother Jones reporters estimated that TMI most likely caused 50,000 American casualties. No scientific group of any reputation has ever disputed this number. We're still eating the longer-lived radioactive isotopes that landed on local farmland, mimicked calcium or some other useful mineral, got in the food chain, got packaged into national products and will fission in us.
Chernobyl estimates are closer to 500,000 casualties. "Casualty" is military speak for "a human being isn't going to be around for the next 20 or 50 years, except in the hearts of his/her survivors".
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission makes the bozoes over at the Minerals Management Service look like rocket scientists. I remember when 500 people were ready to commit civil disobedience at the NRC in 1978, just before Three Mile Island. Under this pressure, the NRC made the right decision. Then three weeks later, under industry pressure, they reversed themselves. Craven cowardice trumps reason perpetually at the NRC.
If President Obama wants to clean up an agency before the big fart ruins his dinner party, not afterwards, he needs to look at the NRC quickly.
"Thanks to legislation dating from the Exxon Valdez disaster, we have some recourse to seek damages..."
First of all, the 1990 Oil Pollution Act put a CAP on polluter liability of $75 million. It also changed the traditional standard for legal liability from "negligence" to "gross negligence." That is a much more difficult threshold to reach; some say nearly impossible. If you read the debate in the House of Representatives, it's clear that the bill should have been called the 1990 Oil Profits Protection Act.
Second, as to "Obama's March decision ending the moratorium on offshore drilling just weeks before BP's Gulf Debacle began...showing that even those who are smart and capable do make mistakes..."
What mistake? Obama is committed to corporate profits above the public interest, and has always been. He was only doing what they put him in office to do. Both the lifting of the off-shore drilling moratorium and the support for the construction of new nuclear power plants are eyes-wide-open intentional, not mistakes.
People should just think of Bush and Cheney wearing Obama masks when they see Obama. Maybe that way they can get over this "he's a decent but weak and mistake-prone guy" delirium.
UPDATE
Looks like BP did act with "gross negligence."
Definition:
"Gross negligence means conduct or a failure to act that is so reckless that it demonstrates a substantial lack of concern for whether an injury will result—on other words, reckless indifference to the safety of others, particularly in contexts where the defendant is responsible for creating unsafe conditions, or is profiting from their existence.
Consider, for example, a commercial venture engaged in a high risk recreational activity, such as a company that offers rock climbing tours. If a tour member is injured when safety equipment provided by the company unexpectedly fails, a valid release may protect the company from a lawsuit. However, if the company knows up front that the equipment is defective and uses it anyway, [that's gross negligence] it would not be protected by the release."
Readers will notice that almost diametrically opposite statements are being written here. That's because people are hired by the nuclear industry to take on multiple blog personas and write disinformation. It's basically website pollution, a real nuisance for Common Dreams. Of course, that's what the nuclear industry is all about, polluting someone else's life, (not their own usually, if it can be helped).
Promotion of Nuclear industry is madness. The true figures of deaths from Chernoble approaches 1m and counting. Another poster mentioned this. This article is corporate promotion.
Bill should attend to the most thorough investigation of Chernoble sickness and death rates. If his figures are anything to go by being out by magnitude one can only begin to imagine what exactly is being gushed into the Gulf of Mexico?
Thank you bijones for the link to this latest study. Again reference you gave is
http://www.counterpunch.org/grossman04232010.html
Make no mistake about the WHO and how compromised it really has evolved into being. I refer to its role in the recent anti-flu vaccine promotion? Remember that? What a cost? A bit like the Anthrax attacks. Remember those?
There are presently, at least twenty-four active nuclear power plants in the United States that are known to be leaking Tritium, a radioactive element. The Yankee Vermont power plant has recently been reported to be leaking Strontium 90, one of the deadliest radioactive elements! These radioactive elements are leaching into the ground and water tables, do you really believe that we can afford this?
everything is fine...don't worry....they know what they're doing...obama is a good man....some people like to exaggerate....don't worry....
Everything being said here about nuclear energy is predicated on the assumption that the technology at Three Mile Island, Vermont Yankee, and Chernobyl is the most modern available. That is not the case.
The reactor design at Chernobyl was one rejected by the U.S. but used by the Soviets because it was cheaper to build. The designs of most U.S. reactors were created in the 1960s and may have had some minor tweaks here and there, but they are far from state of the art.
A new reactor technology called Integral Fast Reactor (IFR) was developed at Argonne National Laboratory in the decade between 1984 and 1994. IFR can use spent fuel from older-style reactors (in plentiful supply here) and is resistant to most of the conditions that caused the radiation releases at TMI and Chernobyl. This technology is languishing unused, however, because the program was abruptly canceled in 1994, and its researchers and other personnel scattered.
From _The Republic_ article by Charles E. Till:
"Amazingly, about a month before the Chernobyl accident, Argonne scientists had performed two remarkable demonstrations on their IFR test reactor in Idaho. An invited international audience watched the IFR quietly shut down under accident conditions without any damage whatsoever. The first demonstration was precisely that of a Chernobyl-type accident as it might occur in an IFR. Then, on the same day, the exact conditions of the Three Mile Island accident were duplicated, again with a quiet, damage-free shutdown."
See http://www.sustainablenuclear.org/PADs/pad0509till.html for the source of the above quote.
Another link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-kirsch/climate-bill-ignores-our_b_221796.html
I'm not defending the nuclear power industry. My point is that if progress is to be made, we need to seek new solutions and new technologies, rather than going forward on the assumption that we have all the tools we need in our kits.
If nuclear power is to be part of the mix to provide our future power needs, we need to make sure that we're using the safest, most efficient technology we can produce. We then need to continue to search for better solutions rather than rest on our laurels.
It seems that some have missed what appears the idea of the article's author; namely, that no matter how good the nuclear technology may be or get, as human beings our own 'engineering' stays the 'less than perfect' same. We humans make mistakes, and a nuclear one could be catastrophic.
It seems the article does speak of "our sad capacity for boundless technological optimism, plus the inherent dangers which we, as beings that are 'only human', bring to any equation."
Beyond this, what the article doesn't mention is that while the cost of a ‘nuclear disaster’ could be well beyond the $20 billion BP has just put aside in the Gulf, a law called the Price-Anderson Act states that the nuclear industry is responsible for only the first $10 billion in damages, and the US taxpayer the rest. Unfortunately, this ‘unfunded liability’ is never included in cost calculations when people discuss ‘cheap’ nuclear power.
Naturally, if those who are so pro-nuclear power are correct about today's nuclear safety, then it's particularly curious that - unlike all other energy generating businesses - the nuclear power industry has to have a law that limits its financial liability in case of accident. It seems very curious indeed, does it not?
Personally speaking, the only thing worse than suffering the nuclear horrors that someone's dumb mistake might well one day cause, would be to then have to pay a fortune out of my tax dollars for that 'privilege'.
Maybe it really is time to phase out nuclear power...something that perhaps should have been done quite a while ago.