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What President Obama Didn't Say
The gentleman from Ohio — the last man standing on health care, as he
put it in this conversation with Esquire.com just before Sunday's vote —
reveals the personal moments behind his decision, and how the fate of a
nation, if not a presidency, could have turned out a lot differently
had he said "no," as told to Mark Warren, Sunday, March 21, 2010:
The meeting that took place on Air Force One was the fourth in a series of meetings that I had attended with the president in the last few months. There was a meeting on March 4 where the president called nine members to the Roosevelt Room at the White House, and eight of the members had voted for the bill when it passed the House last fall. I was the only one who voted against the bill. I thanked the president for inviting me even though I was a "no" vote. And in the more than hour-long meeting, the president covered a lot of territory about what he thought was important to consider. I sat quietly and listened carefully and took some notes. And at the end of the meeting, you know, we thanked each other, and I left.
When I arrived home that evening — March 4 — I still had this deep sense of compassion for the president for what he was struggling with in trying to pass the bill. And it was very clear to me that there was a lot on the line here — that he didn't say. I was just thinking about the scope of American history, and here's a president who's trying to do something, even if I don't agree with him. I told my wife, "You know I kinda feel bad about the situation he's in here. This is really a tough situation — his presidency is on the line." And I had a sense of sadness about what I saw him grappling with. I still maintained my position, still went forward in debates, arguing in meetings, arguing against the bill because it didn't have a public option, didn't have an opening for the states to pursue single-payer in a free manner. But at the same time I kinda remember the feeling that I had about watching him as he was dealing with this and, you know, trying to do what he felt was best for the nation.
Now keep something in mind about my relationship with President Obama: He and I campaigned together. A meeting with the president is always important — he and I have met dozens of times, during the campaign and since he became president — but we've met on many occasions. Four or five times about health care. So the relationship I have with him is a little bit different than other members who weren't on the campaign trail with him and who hadn't developed a relationship with him apart from the relationship that members of Congress ordinarily have with the president.
So I was really looking at Barack Obama the man, and thinking about his presidency. I've had differences of opinion with him on a number of issues. But I understand how this is a pivotal moment in America, and in his presidency. It's also a pivotal moment in American history. Of course, I carried that awareness with me into the next meeting, which took place on Air Force One on the fifteenth of March. Last Monday. So much has happened in just one week, but during that time, there had been a lot of speculation. I had done many interviews attacking the bill for its well-publicized shortcomings and I was not relenting. After we met on Air Force One, I didn't tell the president that "Look, I'm changing my position — you got me." We didn't have that discussion.
My decision came last Tuesday morning. There's a place where I go in the Capitol, just to kind of reflect — before I have to make very important decisions. It's in the rotunda — right next to Lincoln's statue. It's just a bench. And I went over there early Tuesday morning, about seven in the morning when the sun was just coming up, and no one else was around — there wasn't a sound in the Capitol at that moment in the morning. And I just sat down there in a quiet place and thought about this decision. And that's literally where I made up my mind that, notwithstanding how much there was in the bill that I didn't like, that I had a higher responsibility to my constituents, to the nation, to my president and his presidency, to step forward and say, "We must pass this bill. And we must use this bill as an opening toward a renewed effort for a more comprehensive approach to health care reform."
The Speaker and I also had many discussions about the bill. And I talked to her briefly on Monday night and told her that I was giving some thought to the appeals that she had made to me. And she said, "Oh, Dennis, you know, I just hope that you'll be with us on this. This is so important." And I said, "Well I'm giving some thought to what your concerns have been, Madame Speaker." And on Monday night, I talked to my wife, Elizabeth — at home, it was late.
Elizabeth asked how the day went. And I told her. I said, "You know I'm giving this a lot of thought." I asked, "What would you think if I decided to support this?" And she said, "Look, I'll support — whatever decision you make, I'll stand behind you." And it was important for me to talk to her because, you know, spouses live with the decisions that members of Congress make. I mean, I have had occasion to ask Elizabeth's opinion, and if she feels very strongly about something, I'm open to being persuaded. That's just what happens when you have a partnership. So I asked what she thought, and then I got up in the morning and headed right over to the Capitol just to meditate on all the discussions that I'd had — with the president, with Speaker Pelosi, with my wife, and with my constituents.
And then after being in the rotunda for about fifteen minutes, I left and went over to my office. That afternoon, I had a meeting with my staff, and I told them that I was going to come out in favor of the bill. But I had no discussions with anyone. And I did not notify the White House — the White House found out about it when I announced it from the press gallery. Because I just felt that this had to be a decision that I made on my own, without any coaxing one way or another. I wanted even people in the White House to know that this decision came ultimately from my own willingness to pay careful attention to the concerns that the president, the Speaker, and others had expressed to me.
This was a particularly hard decision because the private insurance model is something that I don't support. As I've said before, I don't take back any of the criticisms I've made of the bill. This is reform within the context of a for-profit system. And the for-profit system has been quite predatory — it makes money for not providing health care. Now, the reforms in this bill may provide some relief from that impulse. But, nevertheless, I have my work cut out for me now in continuing the effort toward a much broader approach to health care reform, which would include attention to diet, nutrition, complementary alternative medicine, and empowering states to move forward with single-payer.
When it comes to analyzing the law we've just passed, it's hard to use terms like good or bad. Because ultimately what was decisive for me was not the bill, but rather the potential to create an opening for a more comprehensive approach toward health care reform. If the bill were to go down, this whole discussion about anything we might hope to do in health care in the future is not going to happen in this generation. We had to wait sixteen years after the demise of the Clinton plan to come to this moment. And the angst that members are feeling about this bill — the temperature that's been raised in the body politic over this bill, the characterizations of the bill in a debate that's been quite distorted — all of those things argue against bringing up another health care bill in the near future if this bill were to go down.
Well I had to consider that. Because I have to take responsibility for that.
Someone in the media said that I was prepared to be the Ralph Nader of health care reform. If by the Ralph Nader of health care reform someone means someone who holds crooked corporations accountable, then that's a compliment. If they were referring to the 2000 presidential race, I think those who were closest in the Gore campaign realize that that campaign was death by a thousand cuts. And to try to put it all on Ralph Nader is, you know, historically glib.
But the synthesis of that argument was this: People were telling me, "Dennis, you are helping to gather momentum in the direction toward the defeat of the bill." That's what people were telling me. That's what the message was. And: "Is this something you really want to do?" And of course I have to consider, when the vote is close, and however the final tally turns, but whether the bill passes by one vote or five votes or more, the question of momentum was something everyone was concerned about at that point. And people were concerned that if I continued to maintain my position of hammering away at the defects of the bill that I may cause its defeat. That's a legitimate criticism. It's something that I had to take into account in terms of my personal responsibility for the position that I held, and the impact that it would have on my constituents. We always have to be open to people who may hold a view that may be different than yours. Because you might learn something.
And so as we came closer, and it appeared that I would be in a pivotal position, I realized that the moment required me to look at this in the broadest terms possible. To look at this in terms of the long-term impact on my constituents, of the moment in history in which we now stand, of the impact on the country, of the impact on the Obama presidency, on the impact on the president personally. I had to think about all of this. I couldn't just say, "Well here's my position: I'm for single-payer, and this isn't single-payer, so I'm going to defeat the bill."
Last year, seventy-seven members of Congress agreed that if the bill didn't have a public option, they were going to vote against it. And there were only two members who had kept that pledge when it was voted on the first time in the House. And I was one of them. And the other one's no longer in Congress. So I basically was the last man standing here. So I'm aware of the debate that took place in favor of the bill. My concern was that this bill was hermetically sealed to admit no opening toward a not-for-profit system, no competition from the public sector with the private insurers. Which makes the claims of a government takeover such a joke. You know, those who claim that this is socialism probably don't know anything about socialism — or capitalism.
Those claims are just part of an effort to destroy the Obama presidency. And, of course, to produce gridlock — so that nothing can happen. Because if this bill goes down, which figured into my calculus — the bill goes down, we'll be gridlocked. We will be unlikely to pass any meaningful legislation about anything. The presidency will be weakened, the Congress will be in a place where the leadership will be undermined.
But let's go deeper than that. We're at a pivotal moment in American history, and in contrast to a crippled presidency, I have to believe that this effort, however imperfect, will now have a broad positive effect on American society, and make possible many things that might not have otherwise been possible. Once this bill is signed into law, more Americans are going to be aware of this as they ask, What's in it for me? And as they become more familiar with the new law, more people will be accepting this bill. The president will have a stronger hand in domestic and international affairs, and that will be good for the country. The Democrats will be emboldened to pass an economic agenda, which has been waiting for this bill to pass. Wrong or right, as far as a strategy, the White House invested so much in this health care bill that everything else was waiting. Now, I think there's a chance that the party will regain some momentum. And if it does, then the American people will finally have a chance to see something done about creating jobs, about keeping people in their homes, about helping small businesses get access to credit, which is a huge problem right now.
And so I think that the pivot here could be toward a very exciting time where the Obama presidency gets a chance to hit the reset button. This is my hope, at least.
All of this went through my mind as I sat in the quiet Capitol rotunda last Tuesday morning. I thought about what could happen if I was willing to show some flexibility, and to compromise for the sake of a broader progress. That was all part of my thinking as I got the point where I stepped to the podium in the Capitol to announce my decision. And right after I finished what I had to say and left the room, the president called. I understood the importance of the call, and he understood the importance of the decision that I made. There was gravity in the moment. There is a lot at stake here.
I took it all into account — everything that I hoped would happen if this were to pass, everything that I hope will happen. And if those things come to pass because of the small role I may have played in switching the momentum, then my service in Congress has been worth it.
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Show AllMost of the article is about him bragging about how close he is to Obummer.
Rahm dusted off Rove's play book and is veal penning the entire Democratic Party to make sure they all know that they are either with Rahm or aginst him...there is no in-between. You drink the kool-aid or you bail.
As long as Kucinich wants to stay in the Party he must keep bowing to Obombya and reciting BS like "this is a pivotal moment in history"...pleeeease gag me with a spoon !
ray,
well said--lol!
Behind this post are, currently, 110 posts assaulting the integrity of the BEST Congress has to offer. How self-absorbed all of you are; how arrogant.
Maybe if you had to walk a mile in his shoes your attitudes might just be a little bit kinder to the man who is "OUR" one-of-few voices in this corrupt government.
I am ashamed of all of you "progressives" and your keyboard warrior ways. I pray to hell that the Republicans take over the W.H., Senate, and House next go 'round and Dennis is voted out of Ohio. Let's see where you blind and self-serving jackasses have to bitch about then. It seems to ALWAYS BE SOMETHING!!!
wait. Weren't you on here just a week ago doing the same thing after having lost faith in your "savior" Kucinich? I know people were quick to give you their heartfelt condolences as you expressed your own sense of betrayal. These people were not so abhorrent then. I suppose you've had a change of heart? I see DK as yet another victim of this broken system. One more person made to bend, bend, bend, until the inevitable break, all in the name of "progress." DK is probably right when he claims that if health care did not pass then this congress and the WH would come to a veritable standstill. But ask yourself this, is no change still better than a change in the wrong direction, and is DK going to be trustworthy in the future when other great matters such as immigration reform, bank and fed regulation, the inevitable attack on abortion rights for women come to the forefront? I think not. He may have been "The BEST Congress had to offer," but no longer. Just another stripe.
“Though those that are betray'd Do feel the treason sharply, yet the traitor Stands in worse case of woe”
William Shakespeare
F.Y.
Forever Yours?
Great Handle! If only it were that easy.
DK could have kept it short and just said: "Winning (reelection) is everything."
Personally, I'd rather see him or Ralph Nader lose by sticking to principles rather than win by making lousy comprises.
I am no republican... but I will take a republican anyday over a democrat who gives lip service to the people to get elected & blusters about and then betrays their constituency when it comes time to vote on legislation...
At least with the republicans, they are honest and upfront about how & why they are screwing over americans... with democrats, they tell people what they want to hear, and then screw them over just the same...
THis is nothing but the stagecraft of Statecraft...
I am grateful that Dennis Coup-Cynic has caved on this issue, because the bill would have passed even with out his "decisive vote"... and he has shown the progressives that the Democratic party do not represent their interests...
He should retire from politics or leave the Democratic party & run as an independent...
spoken like a true self-defeatist. Dennis Kucinich wouldn't be in Congress if he were to run as an independent.
You are right -- there is an assault going on on the "BEST" Congress has to offer -- and it is well deserved! That Kucinich is the best just goes to show the absurd state of the America governmental process -- voting to preserve Obama's presidency?! What does that have to do with health care? Incredible! I really could not read much past that admission that Dennis falls into the category of seemingly the entire US Government: belonging in a juvenile detention home; and his accounts with Obama smack of the googly eyed love affair Charlie Rose and David Patraeus had at the beginning of the month -- all this while the drones drone on, the doctors tell the women in parts of Iraq not to conceive at the present moment, the Troops play detonate a IED, while the 12th District of Michigan "proudly" spends 1.8 million for a IED resistant double "hull" Hummer design while taking funding away from The Friends Of The Rouge where people of all ages and ethnic background gathered in and to explore nature in this day and age of Climate Change -- Dennis gleefully joined this mind set the same way he bailed on peace at the '04 convention -- let him be voted out -- let Karl Rove Jr. replace him -- he has said it himself many times, like Rove Sr. was loyal to the Republican party over God, Family and Nation: Kucinich is loyal to current party politics but from the Democratic side; yes, that is a capital D. Kucinich's mind set is proving to be as dangerous to the Spirit of America as any Clinton DLC Oprah Couch Parallel Universe out there -- not to call him on it when he distorts adult conversation, and reverting to what is actually adolescent or infantile love not juvenile, is as big a crime as his. To applaud anyone on losing their human dignity helps no one. And the argument that he is the best of a humanly callous process is pathetic. But pathetic is as pathetic does and so it goes and as J. Krisnamurti said, "To be well adjusted to a sick society, it not a sign of good health" -- so hence...some of US puke. We puke on the Obama presidency over health care, we puke on the Obama presidency over a valid Nobel Peace Prize winner, we puke on the Obama presidency over talking to Jeremiah Wright, and we puke on the Obama presidency Kucinich love affair.
Yeah, Kucinich2012, its always "something"--like your man caving when he and the rest of his kind should have had a little courage. You guys never deliver on anything.
As for republicans taking capital hill and everything in-between, you're gonna get your wish.
You can only blame yourselves.
And if this little traitor gets thrown out, we'll all be better for it. Maybe a real man (or woman) with conviction will fill his empty suit.
If he's one of the "BEST", then we're truly fucked anyway.
Good riddance.
Kucinich2010,
....and this coming from you who stated Kucinich would never back down--perhaps your anger is misdirected--do you feel like a fool?
What's up with calling us "jackasses" when your guy sells US OUT? That takes some nerve.
Right. And the sad thing is- if he had stuck to his conscience and voted how he knew he should have voted by stamping a big fat "No" on this bill it still would have passed and he could have saved his progressive reputation. Now we all know he's the exact same color just a different stripe. This article is him trying to rationalize his irrationable betrayal. Whatever helps him sleep at night.
DOuble post, sorry...i wanted to reply to jsp, though
I predict the people will again elect Dennis because he fights the good fight.
I am glad I am not one of your former CD political progressive heros like Dennis, Nader or even Bernie Sanders, who fight like hell but sometimes have to compromise in order to keep the left alive.
Then they are your enemies.
Yes I know you all have your own opinion on who is left or right.... but it was your opinion that Nader, Dennis and Bernie were not bendable with reality.
Who is your political hero now who you will turn on when the reality crunch comes down?
the crunch happens because in reality, not your fantasy, voting is a zero sum game.
In our winner take all system, there are a limited number of votes and a vote for one of the 3rd parties whose role on election day is to make you feel you can buck the system, but you are fooling yourselves. The vast majority of voters see that the lesser of evils is the reality in this winner take all system and culture. And yes that still leaves evil and the majority will vote for less of it over the greater evil.
Well progressive 3rd parties unite? That would be the logical thing to do if you really wanted to win more power wouldn't it?
It seems most of you who feel betrayed want the Dems to lose now... which means you will indirectly help the right wing of the system.
Politics is Hard Ball and is about compromise because it is big and complicated, not the pure black and white good and evil game you want to have.
Common Dreams are not pure and perfect dreams.
You all make me Happy I am no political Hero.
Thanks
I predict the people will again elect Dennis because he fights the good fight.
I am glad I am not one of your former CD political progressive heros like Dennis, Nader or even Bernie Sanders, who fight like hell but sometimes have to compromise in order to keep the left alive.
Then they are your enemies.
Yes I know you all have your own opinion on who is left or right.... but it was your opinion that Nader, Dennis and Bernie were not bendable with reality.
Who is your political hero now who you will turn on when the reality crunch comes down?
the crunch happens because in reality, not your fantasy, voting is a zero sum game.
In our winner take all system, there are a limited number of votes and a vote for one of the 3rd parties whose role on election day is to make you feel you can buck the system, but you are fooling yourselves. The vast majority of voters see that the lesser of evils is the reality in this winner take all system and culture. And yes that still leaves evil and the majority will vote for less of it over the greater evil.
Well progressive 3rd parties unite? That would be the logical thing to do if you really wanted to win more power wouldn't it?
It seems most of you who feel betrayed want the Dems to lose now... which means you will indirectly help the right wing of the system.
Politics is Hard Ball and is about compromise because it is big and complicated, not the pure black and white good and evil game you want to have.
Common Dreams are not pure and perfect dreams.
You all make me Happy I am no political Hero.
Thanks
Sioux Rose
Sounds scripted to me. Mr. Kucinich's faith in Obama as "the good president," is tiring. There is no evidence to support this claim, just the mantra of inner-party loyalty. And what is the substance of the fruit of such fealty? Where have the dangerous, ill-fated, lawless policies of the democrats' alleged nemesis, the republicans' deviated from their insidious course... since the expensive ritual of a "changing of the guard" transpired?
This interview may get Dennis a continuation of his role as elected rep, but in my view it's stripped the halo from his persona. He's all too real now, and like the others, has opted for pragmatism portrayed as his ideal.
The problem with Kucinich is both his lack of sustained self-confidence on any serious progressive cause and lack of a solid progressive coalition that might have helped Kucinich not only keep up the fight for single payer but in fact build on that support. The second problem is outside of Kucinich's sole control. Remember the number of cosponsors for John Conyers's HR 676 last year? They all backed out or stayed silent and even Conyers himself never brought up the bill to the floor. Weiner backed off of trying to push an amendment to turn the now signed bill into single payer straight after Pelosi promised a House vote on HR 676 but never allowed it. Sanders and Feingold in the Senate gave up their fight for single payer. In the end, Kucinich was left as the last man standing in Congress. The slow but eventual collapse of support in Congress might have had a slow but steady psychological effect of making Kucinich lose his mind and not only concede but also cross the line by whipping up support for this bad bill that just passed. I cannot forgive Kucinich for what he has done to make this narrow victory in the House possible but I find it hard to ignore his speeches at times too because I think that Kucinich's recent speeches are a symptom of both his own lack of self-confidence and the lack of a coordinated team effort which he needed in the end to win the cause. Some here have suggested that money did him in and maybe that is true but when even the best progressives and liberals lack the self-confidence and team spirit to fight for those good causes, falling for monied deals to keep them temporarily satisfied as their way of conceding to political "pragmatism" gets them every time. I am outraged at both Kucinich and the lack of a progressive team work that could have stuck together to bring single payer to life.
Well Said Sioux Rose...
This whole "doing it for the good of the group" excuse just shows which group Kucinich cares about... The DLC and not the American people...
This health Care deform bill is 2600 pages... twice as long as the Bible, and even more difficult to understand....
And mr. Owebama, who ran on a campaign of "transparency"... says that the American people will have 5 days to read it before their vote is finalized...
The IRS will now be expanded by 16,000 armed enforcers to make sure that those americans who cant afford privatized health insurance will pay the $750 fine for NOT having insurance...!
Sioux Rose
GOLDEN: I, for one, have missed YOUR wisdom and wit in this forum!
I think it was Nader several years back who pointed out that the IRS statistically went after lower income persons as opposed to the upper bracket types. He was pointing out the fact that the mechanism was anything but cost-effective. With all the money off-shored in quasi-legal bank accounts, and the rich looking for ways to retain their obscene profits, I could see the IRS go after people who make $35,000 a year or less! I remember when I flew over to the Cayman Islands how surprised I was to see perhaps only 3 actual physical banks. The "banks" exist mostly as an offshore address, a surreptitious conduit for funds to pass out of the country utilizing one of the trade routes devised for such ends.
MOMERATH: Except for my X-husband, you're the first person who ever said he enjoyed my thoughts. When time allows (and the spirit hits me), they will be posted in this forum. Thanks for the nod. I must say there is a tone to your writing that brings up a certain deja vu. Like so many on this site, I wonder if you've re-invented yourself via a new screen name?
Nope. I'm all original :-) I don't think I've pissed enough people off here, yet, to warrant a reinvention. I've been around just under a year so far so don't count me out yet.
Hi Sioux Rose- Glad your posting more these days. Been enjoying your thoughts.
"He's all too real now, and like the others, has opted for pragmatism portrayed as his ideal."
I had a long talk with my father last week about the spirit of compromise in politics. How everything is a compromise in some form or another. He is under the impression that compromise is the vehicle used to drive progress. I believe this compromise to be an agent of stagnation or in worst cases digression. Granted, I'm no politician, and have few pressures that attack my individual ideals. I don't have to compromise, except for my wife, and occasionally my employer, or my family. But those compromises are not ethically reprehensible. They are grounded in the physical, spiritual, and emotional needs of those around me that make it easy for me to say yes, I can do that. My ideals will remain soundly intact and you will benefit from my choice. I'm under no false pretense about politicians, although their situation is quite different. They, supposedly, look after the needs of thousands with myriad concerns, some more relevant and coherent than others. Yet, where do we draw the line in holding those like DK accountable for such a failure? Life is a relative existence for us all, who am I to say DK's morals have been compromised? I say you, myself, and anyone else on this site has that right because our relative views are just as important as his- moreso if we take into account his role of "representative" in this clusterfuck matinee that is our US political system, now. I refuse to demonize him, but he is a betrayer to all of his base and to himself especially. I liked DK for his ideals, now, like you said, he is all too "Real," as this latest ringing of "pragmatism" for "inner-party loyalty" resonates within the ears of progressives, and that ringing is the whisper of a dying ideal's last breath...for DK, that is. Thankfully, many still have their voice.
OK, it is a bad bill,...you pledged to oppose it for many valid reasons...
but some Republicans demonized it as socialism so you had to vote for it.
...in the hope that now you can help similarly useless legislation pass...you want job bills that help to create jobs...and bills that help people keep their homes...
Maybe taking the burden off small businesses to provide health insurance, maybe that would have created jobs? What, too simple?
Maybe taking the profit motive away from basic health insurance, maybe that would stop people from losing their houses when they get sick? What too obvious?
I hope Kucinich does a better job for you, on the rest of the Democratic agenda than he did on health care. But healthcare was his forte, right? Good luck.
Nice try, Dennis. You had a chance to stand for an ideal but you fell to your knees and kissed the ring of power. Your political future was more important than principle. But it's not all bad for the rest of us. You and the other spineless idiots in the Democratic Party are headed for a well-earned extinction. Now go to your special place and reflect on THAT.
After what Kucinich did as volunteering as the whipping boy to drum up support in the House to push the yes vote barely over 218, I doubt that he was spineless.
I looked at the article but didn't read it. I had also unsubscribed from his e-mailings. I find myself rather uninterested in anything DK has to say.
bluepilgrim: I had the same reaction - I skimmed through the article but found too many pithy justifications for what Dennis KNOWS was a bad vote. It was a pathetic attempt to say 'Please still love me.'
I have compassion for you, Dennis, but the trust I had in your integrity is gone.
I wonder if DK will read these responses. I hope so.
Same here. I felt like I had lost a friend.
Me too.
This isn't the first time he did it. He voted for NCLB but at that time, he could get away with saying that he would vote to repeal it. This time, he really blew his cover.
So why are you commenting?
Free expression?
Obviously their comment is about the fact that they can't even stand to read the piece.
That's a useful contribution to the discussion in my book.
The point is that what he says just doesn't matter and is a waste of time -- he can't be trusted, so it's just more noise.
... a lot of rationalization about selling out - again. Gore would have won if he had run against Bush instead of Nader. Nader may be a good lawyer but doesn't seem to be any good at politics. He was right about the election but failed at strategy.
Conrad
It is difficult for Nader to have succeeded at strategy when the Democrats made sure that Nader's name was not kept on the ballots on many if not most states in 2000 and 2004. Nader did have a strategy by attempting to debate both major parties but the Democrats and the corporate media made sure that Nader would not be allowed to participate in the debates and thus expose the hypocrisy and the many weaknesses that the Democrats possess in a public forum.
You also may wish to keep in mind one rather important fact. Ralph Nader has just as much of a right to run for president as Al Gore and John Kerry. Nader, along with any other third party candidate, does not have to ask permission of the Democrats as to whether he should be allowed to offer the American people an alternative between the GOP and the Savage Mules. Furthermore, the voters in this country, despite what you seem to be implying, actually have a right to vote for Nader, or any other third party candidate, if he or she wishes to do so.
Amen, Brother!
Absolutely correct. The Democratic Party doesn't represent the constituency that supports Ralph Nader, even Dennis Kucinich. We now know this unequivocally.
Did you mean the democratic party doesn't represent the constituency that supports Dennis Kucinich? That would also be true.
Erroll,
Well said.
Ever since he flipped to support this less than worthless bill, he has been scurrying around trying to repair his image. Unfortunately for him, it can't be repaired. He helped kill real reform for at least another generation. Thanks for nothing.
Exactly. Thanks for nothing, Kucinich.
And real reforn would have certainly sprung up miraculously if the bill was defeated.
Anyone who thinks that is silly.
Good thing nobody thinks that, huh?
Well, not good for you, maybe, because now you look like a jerk caught trying to put words into people's mouths (posts).
Agreed. They would have made it work. They would have HAD to.
Again Dennis, a fair, binding referendum on Medicare for All would have saved you all this angst and would have saved the public all the expenses only to end up with a battered bill anyway.
Senator Gravel's site tells you how to apply fair voter initiatives and referendums to any bill. It is endorsed by Nader and many other progressive icons: http://www.ni4d.us/
I agree with bluepilgrim.
A quick skim of the content is sufficient to suggest that this piece be retitled: "Being a Judas Goat Ain't Easy".
Sell it somewhere else, babe.
I will still look to Kucinich for hope because I have met him many times and believe he sees further into the future than I am able to. I sure hope he is right about his hopes about passing this bill.
However, I also think that if Obama's presidency is failing, it is Obama's own fault and it was not up to Dennis to save it. I don't see Obama doing anything much for the American people, so why should this one thing have been done for him? If he REALLY wanted that public option, he could have fought to the teeth for it, but he didn't.
As much as I still believe in Dennis Kucinich, I have no faith in the Democratic Party. It's dead to me. They have proved they are only for going after more and more corporate bribes. Both parties must go because they both represent only the rich in this country. I know Kucinich still believes in the party and that it can make the change the people need, but they are now corrupted too much for that to happen. Real change will only happen after this government falls and a new one -- with the PEOPLE's party -- takes over. It's inevitable at some point.
Truthseeker: I believe just the way you do. Would have said the exact same words.
It seems you have discounted his reasoning that this bill was better than nothing in that it might allow some momentum. The bill is bad, he knows it, we know it and we knew it all along. But he may be right about some momentum being generated.
So of course, it depends if there is any momentum and where that momentum brings us. Though i am not optimistic that it will bring us closer to any sane policies, no one can predict the future and only time will tell for sure.