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A Good Week For Science — and Insight into Politics
Over the past couple of weeks, the NY Times has been reporting on results from the cognitive and brain sciences that confirm past research in those fields partly by me and partly by my community of colleagues. What makes this of general, not personal, interest is that the scientific results are especially important for understanding what has been going wrong for the Obama administration and for liberals generally, and what has been going right for conservatives. I'm going to start out with some science, and get on to the politics after brief discussions of three important NY Times articles and what they mean scientifically.
It's always satisfying for a scientist to see his or her predictions proved right experimentally (which happens often) and actually discussed in the press (which happens rarely). As a cognitive scientist and linguist, it's been a good couple of weeks for me and my colleagues, especially in the NY Times. Experiments are hard to do and I celebrate all the experimenters cited. Experiments are also hard to report on, and I praise the journalists at the Times for a fine job.
Metaphor and Embodiment
Back in 1980, Mark Johnson and I, in Metaphors We Live By, demonstrated the existence of metaphorical thought and argued that metaphor and other aspects of mind were embodied. That book, and our 1987 books, my Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things and Mark's The Body in the Mind, helped to start a cottage industry in the study of embodied cognition.
The experimental results confirming
our theories of embodied cognition have been coming in regularly, especially
in the area of metaphorical thought. Natalie Angier, on February
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- A University of Amsterdam study showed that subjects thinking about the future leaned forward, while those thinking about the past leaned backward. This was predicted by the 1980 analysis of common European metaphors in which The Future is Ahead and The Past is Behind. This is not just a matter of language, but of thought, as Johnson and I showed.
- At Yale, researchers found that subjects holding warm coffee in advance were more likely to evaluate an imaginary individual as warm and friendly than those holding cold coffee. This is predicted by the conceptual metaphor that Affection is Warmth, as in She gave me a warm greeting.
- At Toronto, subjects were asked to remember a time when they were either socially accepted or socially snubbed. Those with warm memories of acceptance judged the room to be 5 degrees warmer on the average than those who remembered being coldly snubbed.
- Subjects asked to think about a moral transgression like adultery or cheating on a test were more likely to request an antiseptic cloth after the experiment than those who had thought about good deeds. The well-known conceptual metaphor Morality is Purity predicts this behavior.
- Students told that that a particular book was important judged it to be physically heavier than a book that they were told was unimportant. The conceptual metaphor is Important is Heavy.
- In a parallel study with heavy versus light clipboards, those with the heavy clipboards were more likely like to judge currency to be more valuable and their opinions and their leaders more important.
- And in doing arithmetic, students who used their hands to group numbers together had an easier time doing problems that required conceptual grouping. This is predicted by the analysis of mathematics in Where Mathematics Comes From by myself and Rafael Núñez where we show how mathematics from the simple to the advanced is based on embodied metaphorical cognition.
These results don't happen by magic. How can these results be explained?
Johnson's and my 1999 book, Philosophy in the Flesh, incorporated a neural theory of how embodied metaphorical thought works. What a child is regularly held affectionately by its parents, two distinct brain areas are activated simultaneously - one for temperature and one for affection. The synapses in both areas are strengthened and activation spreads along existing pathways until the shortest pathway between the areas is found and a circuit is formed. That circuit is the neural realization of what is called a "primary metaphor" that is embodied. Hundreds of such cases are formed unconsciously and automatically in childhood.
My Berkeley colleague, Srini Narayanan has shown what computational properties such circuits must have. In still unpublished work, he has shown that the relative timing of first spikes across a synapse predicts the directionality of elementary metaphors in all known cases. The very idea that such low-level phenomena at the level of neurons can result in the vast range our metaphorical thought is truly remarkable.
A crucial part of the story of embodied cognition comes from the neuroscience of the 1990's, which showed that the same brain regions used in actually moving and perceiving are used in imagining and remembering moving and perceiving. These results led Jerome Feldman to the crucial idea that meaningful thought expressible in language is mental simulation that uses the neural structures of the sensory-motor system to imagine what is embodied, usually below the level of consciousness.
These are experimental findings and theories based on considerable evidence. Taken together they explain the results of the experiments: Primary metaphorical thought arises when a neural circuit is formed linking two brain areas activated when experiences occur together repeatedly. Typically, one of the experiences is physical. In each experiment, each subject has the physical experience activating one of the brain regions and another experience (e.g., emotional or temporal) activating the other brain region for the given metaphor. The activation of both regions activates the metaphorical link. Thus, if the metaphor is Future Is Ahead and Past Is Behind, thinking about the future will activate the brain region for moving forward. If the metaphor is Affection is Warmth, holding warm coffee will activate the brain region for experiencing affection.
Angier did not seek out the theoretical studies that allow these explanations - and led to the performance of the experiments in the first place. That's too much to ask of a NY Times article. But it was nice to see some of the relevant experiments reported on in the NY Times, even if the explanations were left out.
These cases don't have any direct political implications in themselves, but they are indirectly important, as we shall see.
Words and Polls
The past week in the NY Times was also pretty good for me with respect to predictions.
There was a CBS/NYTimes poll that showed support for ending "Don't Ask Don't Tell" varied considerably depending on whether "homosexuals" or "gay men and lesbians" was used in the question. "Gay men and lesbians" gat a lot more support - in the ball park of 15% more, which is a HUGE difference on a poll.
Those of you who've read my Don't Think of an Elephant! and The Political Mind will be familiar with the basic results of frame semantics, developed by my Berkeley colleague Charles Fillmore and others within the cognitive and brain sciences.
The first basic result: The meaning of every word is characterized in terms of a brain circuit called a "frame." Frames are often characterized in terms of the usual apparatus of mental life: metaphors, images, cultural narratives - and neural links to the emotion centers of the brain. The narrow, literal meaning of a word is only one aspect of its frame-semantic meaning.
The second basic result is that this is mostly unconscious, like 98% of human thought.
On the inherent link between semantic and emotion, see my discussion in the Political Mind (Chapter 1) and the excellent books by Antonio Damasio (Descartes' Error) and Drew Westen (The Political Brain).
"Homosexual" is simply defined via a different frame than "gay men and lesbians." Professor Geoffrey Stone of the U. of Chicago, writing in the Huffington Post on February 13, describes the difference:
"Homosexual" conjures up dark visions of filthy bodily acts that arouse deeply-rooted feelings of disgust and ancient fears of Sodom and Gomorrah and hell and damnation. "Gay men and lesbians," on the other hand, increasingly reminds us of people we know -- sons and daughters, cousins and classmates, nieces and nephews, coworkers and neighbors.
In short, there is a big difference in meaning - the framing difference between the thought of gay sex and the idea of the civil rights of people in your community. The consequences are political, as Professor Stone observes:
When we hear religious leaders or politicians referring to "homosexuals in the military," "homosexual marriage," or "special rights for homosexuals," we must recognize what they are doing. Especially for the 15% of Americans who react so viscerally to the term "homosexual," they are trying to chew their way into the worst parts of our psyches in order to manipulate our beliefs and values and make us worse people than we really are.
I've been writing for years about how effective the right wing has been at framing, and how progressives often use right-wing language, even in polls. I have had numerous discussions with well-known pollsters who did not get the point and could not distinguish commonplace language from commonplace language that activated right-wing frames.
The cognitive science matters here. The CBS/NYTimes poll results were to be expected given our current understanding of how words get their meaning by being neurally linked to frame-circuits.
Blinks, Worms, and Spankers
Nick Kristof, in his February 14 column, discusses three experiments distinguishing conservatives from liberals.
- In one experiment, the strength of blink reflexes to unexpected noises was measured and correlated with degrees of reactions to external threats. Conservatives reacted considerably more strongly than liberals.
- Another experiment was based on the fact that disgust reactions create glandular secretions that change skin conductance. Subjects were shown disgusting images (like some eating a handful of worms). Liberals reacted mildly, but conservative reactions went off the charts.
- A third study showed a strong correlation between attitudes toward spanking and voting patterns: spanking states tend to go Republican. The experimenters correlated spanking preferences with what they called "cognitive styles." As Kristof reports it, "Spankers tend to see the world in stark, black-and-white terms, perceive the social order as vulnerable and under attack, tend to make strong distinctions between "us" and "them," and emphasize order and muscular responses to threats. Parents favoring timeouts feel more comfortable with ambiguities, sense less threat, embrace minority groups - and are less prone to disgust when they see a man eating worms."
All three results follow from a cognitive science study called Moral Politics, which I published in 1996 and was reprinted in 2002. There I observed that conservatives and liberals had opposite moral worldviews structured by metaphor around two profoundly different models of the ideal family, a strict father family for conservatives and a nurturant parent family for liberals. In the ideal strict father family, the world is seen as a dangerous place and the father functions as protector from "others" and the parent who teaches children absolute right from wrong by punishing them physically (painful spanking or worse) when they do wrong. The father is the ultimate authority, children are to obey, and immoral practices are seen as disgusting.
Ideal liberal families are based on nurturance, which breaks down into empathy, responsibility - for both oneself and others, and excellence: doing as well as one can to make oneself better and one's family and community better. Parents are to practice these things and children are to learn them by example.
Because our first experience with being governed in is our families, we all learn a basic metaphor: A Governing Institution Is A Family, where the governing institution can be a church, a school, a team, or a nation. The Nation-as-Family version gives us the idea of founding fathers, Mother India and Mother Russia, the Fatherland, homeland security, etc.
Apply these monolithically to our politics and you get extreme conservative and progressive moral systems, defining what is right and wrong to each side.
There is no moral system of the moderate or the middle. Because of a neural phenomenon called "mutual inhibition," two opposing moral systems can live in brain circuits that inhibit each other and are active in different contexts. For a nonpolitical example, consider Saturday night and Sunday morning moral systems, which coexist in the brains of many Americans. The same is true of "moderates," who are conservative on some issues and progressive on others, though there may be variations from person to person.
Kristof doesn't mention Moral Politics, though he got a copy at a Democratic Senate retreat in 2003, at which we both spoke. If Moral Politics is still on his bookshelf, I suggest he take a look. I also recommend it to anyone who wants to understand the difference between conservative and progressive moral systems.
Conservative Populism and Tea Partyers
After the Goldwater defeat of 1964, conservatism was a dirty word and most Americans wanted to be liberals, especially working people who were highly unionized. Lee Atwater and colleagues, working for the 1968 Nixon campaign, had a problem: How to get a significant number of working people to become conservative enough to vote for Nixon.
They intuited what I have since called "biconceptualism" (see The Political Mind) - the fact that many Americans have both conservative and progressive views, but in different contexts and on different issues. Mutual inhibition in brain circuitry means the strengthening of one weakens the other. They found a way to both strengthen conservative views and weaken liberal views, creating a conservative populism. Here's how they did it.
They realized that by the late 60's many working people were disturbed by the anti-war demonstrations; so Nixon ran on anti-communism. They noticed that many working men were upset by radical feminists. So they pushed traditional family values. And they realized that, after the civil rights legislation, many working men, especially in the South, were threatened by blacks. So they ran Nixon on law and order. At the same time, they created the concept of "the liberal elite" - the tax and spend liberals, the liberal media, the Hollywood liberals, the limosine liberals, and so on. They created language for all these ideas and have been repeating it ever since.
Even though liberals have worked tirelessly for the material benefit of working people, the repetition of conservative populist frames over more than 40 years has had an effect. Conservative ideas have spread in the brains of conservative populists. The current Tea Party movement is an attempt to spread conservative populism further.
Sarah Palin may not know history or economics, but she does know strict father morality and conservative populist frames. Frank Rich, in his February 14 NY Times column, denied David Broder's description of Palin as "perfect pitch populism" and called it "deceptive faux populism" and a "populist masquerade." What Rich is missing is that Palin has a perfect pitch for conservative populism - which is very different from liberal populism. What she can do is strengthen the conservative side of bi-conceptual undecided populists, helping to move them to conservative populists. She is dangerous that way.
Frank Rich, long one of my heroes, is a perfect pitch liberal. He assumes that nurturant values (empathy, social and personal responsibility, making yourself and the world better) are the only objective values. I think they are right values, values that define democracy, but unfortunately far from the only values. Starting with those values, Rich correctly points out that Palin's views contradict liberal populism and that her conservative positions won't materially help the poor and middle class. All true, but ... that does not contradict conservative populism or conservatism in general.
This is a grand liberal mistake. The highest value in the conservative moral system (see Moral Politics, Chapter 9) is the perpetuation and strengthening of the conservative moral system itself!! This is not liberal materialism. Liberals decry it as "ideology," and it is. But it is real, it has the structure of moral system, and it is physically part of the brains of both Washington conservatives and conservative populists. The conservative surge is not merely electoral. It is an idea surge. It is an attempt to spread conservatism via the spread of conservative populism. That is what the Tea Party movement is doing.
False Reason and Real Reason: The Obama Mistake
It was entirely predictable a year ago that the conservatives would hold firm against Obama's attempts at "bipartisanship" - finding occasional conservatives who were biconceptual, that is, shared some views acceptable to Obama on some issues, while keeping an overall liberal agenda.
The conservatives are not fools. Because their highest value is protecting and extending the conservative moral system itself, giving Obama any victory at all would strengthen Obama and weaken the hold of their moral system. Of course they were going to vote against every proposal and delay and filibuster as often as possible. Protecting and extending their worldview demands it.
Obama has not understood this.
We saw this when Obama attended the Republican caucus. He kept pointing out that they voted against proposals that Republicans had made and that he had incorporated, acting as if this were a contradiction. But that was to be expected, since a particular proposal that strengthens Obama and hence weakens their moral view violates their highest moral principle.
Such conservative logic explains why conservatives in Congress first proposed a bipartisan committee to study the deficit, and then voted against it.
That is why I don't expect much from the President's summit with Republicans on February 25. Why should they do anything to strengthen Obama's hand, when it would violate their highest moral principle, as well as weakening themselves electorally. If Obama thinks he can shame them in front of their voters, he is mistaken again. Conservative voters think the same way they do.
During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama used framing perfectly and articulated the progressive moral system (empathy, individual and social responsibility, making oneself and the world better) as well as it has ever been done.
But he changed after the election. Obama moved from real reason, how people really think, to false reason, a traditional view coming out of the Enlightenment and favored by all too many liberals.
We now (finally!) come to the point of going through all those experiments in the cognitive and brain sciences. Here are the basic differences between real and false reason, and the ways in which all too many liberals, including Obama during the past year, are wed to false reason.
Real reason is embodied in two ways. It is physical, in our brain circuitry. And it is based on our bodies as the function in the everyday world, using thought that arises from embodied metaphors. And it is mostly unconscious. False reason sees reason as fully conscious, as literal, disembodied, yet somehow fitting the world directly, and working not via frame-based, metaphorical, narrative and emotional logic, but via the logic of logicians alone.
Empathy is physical, arising from mirror neurons systems tied to emotional circuitry. Self-interest is real as well, and both play their roles in real reason. False reason is supposed to serve material self-interest alone. It's supposed to answer the question, "What's in it for me?,"which President Obama assumed that all populists were asking. While Frank Luntz told conservatives to frame health care in terms of the moral concepts of freedom (a "government takeover") and life ("death panels"), Obama was talking about policy minutia that could not be understood by most people.
Real reason is inexplicably tied up with emotion; you cannot be rational without being emotional. False reason thinks that emotion is the enemy of reason, that it is unscrupulous to call on emotion. Yet people with brain damage who cannot feel emotion cannot make rational decisions because they do not know what to want, since like and not like mean nothing. "Rational" decisions are based on a long history of emotional responses by oneself and others. Real reason requires emotion.
Obama assumed that Republicans would act "rationally" where "rationality" was defined by false reason - on the logic of material self-interest. But conservatives understood that their electoral chances matched their highest moral principle, strengthening their moral system itself without compromise.
It is a basic principle of false reason that every human being has the same reason governed by logic - and that if you just tell people the truth, they will reason to the right conclusion. The President kept saying, throughout Tea Party summer, that he would just keep telling the truth about policy details that most people could not make moral sense of. And so he did, to the detriment of all of us.
All politics is moral. Political leaders all make proposals they say are "right." No one proposes a policy that they say is wrong. But there are two opposing moral systems at work in America. What moral system you are using governs how you will see the world and reason about politics. That is the lesson of the cognitive science behind Moral Politics and all the experiments since then. It is the lesson of all the research on embodied metaphor. Metaphorical thought is central to politics.
Finally, there is the lesson of how language works in the brain. Every word is neurally connected to a neural circuit characterizing a frame, which in turn is part of a system of frames linked to a moral system. In political discourse, words activate frames, which in turn activate moral systems. This mechanism is not conscious. It is automatic, and it is acquired through repetition. As the language of conservative morality is repeated, frames are activated repeatedly that in turn activate and strengthen the conservative system of thought - unconsciously and automatically. Thus conservative talk radio and the national conservative messaging system are powerful unconscious forces. They work via principles of real reason.
But many liberals, assuming a false view of reason, think that such a messaging system for ideas they believe in would be illegitimate - doing the things that the conservatives do that they consider underhanded. Appealing honestly to the way people really think is seen as emotional and hence irrational and immoral. Liberals, clinging to false reason, simply resist paying attention to real reason.
Take Paul Krugman, one of my heroes, whose economic sense I find impeccable. Here is a quote from a recent column:
Republicans who hate Medicare, tried to slash Medicare in the past, and still aim to dismantle the program over time, have been scoring political points by denouncing proposals for modest cost savings - savings that are substantially smaller than the spending cuts buried in their own proposals.
He is following traditional liberal logic, and pointing out a literal contradiction: they denounce "cuts in Medicare" while wanting to eliminate Medicare and have proposed bigger cuts themselves.
But, from the perspective of real reason as conservatives use it, there is no contradiction. The highest conservative value is preserving and empowering their moral system itself. Medicare is anathema to their moral system - a fundamental insult. It violates free market principles and gives people things they haven't all earned. It is a system where some people are paying -God forbid! - for the medical care of others. For them, Medicare itself is immoral on a grand scale, a fundamental moral issue far more important than any minor proposal for "modest cost savings." I'm sorry to report it, but that is how conservatives are making use of real reason, and exploiting the fact that so many liberals think it's contradictory.
Indeed, one of the major findings of real reason is that negating a frame activates that frame in the brain and reinforces it - like Nixon saying that he was not a crook. Dan Pfeiffer, writing on the White House blog, posted an article called "Still not a ‘Government Takeover'," which activates the conservative idea of a government takeover and hence reinforces the idea. Every time a liberal goes over a conservative proposal giving evidence negating conservative ideas one by one, he or she is activating the conservative ideas in the brains of his audience. The proper response is to start with your own ideas, framed to fit what you really believe. Facts matter. But they have to be framed properly and their moral significance must be made manifest. That is what we learn from real reason.
The NY Times is home to a lot of traditional reason, often based on false principles of how people think. That is why the reporting of those experiments brightened my day. Perhaps the best way to the NY Times mind is through the science of mind.
Kudos once more to the Times' science reporting on those experiments.




109 Comments so far
Show AllThis is a long but vitally important article. SO much about our existence is contained in just a few sentences here.
>>Primary metaphorical thought arises when a neural circuit is formed linking two brain areas activated when experiences occur together repeatedly.<<
And:
>>The meaning of every word is characterized in terms of a brain circuit called a "frame." Frames are often characterized in terms of the usual apparatus of mental life: metaphors, images, cultural narratives - and neural links to the emotion centers of the brain. The narrow, literal meaning of a word is only one aspect of its frame-semantic meaning.
The second basic result is that this is mostly unconscious, like 98% of human thought.<<
The implications of these are staggering and the article in particular pointed out some important (and timely) consequences. It will take a while to get this into my wee brain.
I canna wait to read the comments forthcoming.
Gary
"Keyboard not found. Press < F1 > to RESUME."
-~ actual computer BIOS error message
>>Real reason is inexplicably tied up with emotion; you cannot be rational without being emotional. False reason thinks that emotion is the enemy of reason...<<
So being emotional is not always "unreasonable" but simply biological. A clue to the value placed on the thought.
I think of Mister Spock and, not Captain Kirk, but Captain Picard as embodying these two mindsets. One is the ultimate of false reasoning, the other of metaphoric empathy and real reasoning. But that's just me I guess.
Gary
"There are lies, damned lies and statistics."
-~ Mark Twain
Interesting stuff.
But exactly how do we progressives apply this research to current political debates?
The biggest point for us, I believe, is HOW we frame our arguments -- they must take into account Real Reasoning (RR). We must learn to push those buttons correctly, instead of activating what amounts to defense mechanisms. But this is going to be (even more) schzoid in what we argue among ourselves and what we want to say to those with some (partially) conservative morality. We need to distinguish when we are using RR and when we are indulging in false, artificial, logic and reasoning.
Some of us will be better at framing RR and others will be better at false reasoning arguments. (I wish the author had found other terms than real and false reasoning BTW.) But the real reasoning arguments are vital to organizing.
Gary
"Facts matter. But they have to be framed properly and their moral significance must be made manifest. That is what we learn from real reason."
-- George Lakoff
I found it well worth the time to read through this outline of a very helpful conceptual framework. One minor quibble and one larger point:
The term "false reason" strikes me as somewhat misleading. Something like "pure reason" or "logical reason" might help readers more clearly see the distinction between reason influenced by emotions and morals ("real reason"), versus reason on a pure, idealized Platonic level ("false reason").
More importantly, Dr. Lakoff's findings are in alignment with the tenets of clinical hypnosis. In order to effectively influence someone to change behaviors, therapists make suggestions in the form of positives rather than negatives, emphasizing what is sought or desired, not what is to be avoided or outgrown (ie, Erickson, Rossi, NLP, EMDR, etc.). Therapists are taught to choose the optimum metaphor (or what Dr. L. would call a frame) to evoke positive and healing emotions like hope and empathy, rather than fear-oriented images that facilitate obedience rather than change.
It looks like the mass media and the public relations industry have mastered the theory and practice of hypnosis, with the billions of dollars that are spent in advertising designed to dumb down Americans, to shift our basic cognitive style from analytic thinking to metaphorical, limbic/emotional "reasoning". Breaking free from the ever-present trance of fear and opening to a more life-enhancing frame is the challenge of our times. Hopefully Barack can get his groove back before it's too late.
Drop the idea that Mr. Obama is well meaning toward the general population, and you may see the situation differently.
Mr. Obama was and is a tool of the financial ruling elite of the world. He has not lost his grove.
Like most politicians he treats the people like mushrooms: He feeds us shit, and keeps us in the dark.
Turn on the light, man. Please, excuse me, but attitudes promoting Mr. Obama's good will, drives me nuts.
Formal abstract reasoning-- the Aristotelian syllogism does exist. What doesn't happen is a politician's ability to frame and follow the consequences of a syllogism. This happens on both sides of the aisle. Obama is as dismissive of legitimate Single Payer claims as Republicans are of his. So the question really is which cognitive model, (conservative or liberal) is more capable of explaining and dealing with reality. I don't think that either the Republicans or Democrats have a grasp on that. But reality will crash through--with enough pain and suffering. Our politics will convulse. "We must disenthrall ourselves and then we shall save our country." The ride has just begun.
"...the Aristotelian syllogism does exist." Nevertheless, cognition is never free from emotion (which is why, I think, syllogisms are so difficult for so many people). Put another way, as Deanne Juhan summarized the work of the neuroscientist Jason W. Brown, "objectivity is a cognitively useful emotion." Objectivity? An emotion? You betcha! Breathe. Relax. Observe your thoughts. Each has an emotional component.
Now consider the apparent reality that most Americans have been so "dumbed down" by poor education and media manipulation that they are no longer capable of marshalling objectivity, and are therefore cognitively crippled. Put another way--a very politically incorrect way--Tea Party conservatives are mentally retarded. They can no longer think; they can only react. En masse, on cue.
Yes, reality is about to crash through, not just in the U.S., but globally, and we will see just how much more harm can be caused by the mentally retarded American conservatives.
We inhabit our bodies, we are not our bodies.
Prove it.
Gary
"Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."
-~ Pablo Picasso
Disprove it!
In fact, we "are" our bodies. You should read Francis Crick's last book, The Astonishing Hypothesis, in which he makes the case for the "self" being no more than interactions between neurons in the brain.
There is no disembodied mind.
There are those who would disagree with you, ie. those who have experienced near death experiences.
There was a National Geographic special on about two years ago in which they investigated a story told by a woman who had undergone brain surgery to repair a cerebral anureism. Her heart was stopped and her body drained of blood then cooled to around 68 degrees farenheit. She showed no signs of electrical activity in her brain, yet she stated that she felt as though she was watching the entire surgery as a bystander. When she was resusitated, she related conversations between the doctors and nurses during the surgery thatwere to the word correct. Discovery Health recently had a show with several similar cases in which doctors could offer no explanation as to their ability to recall events while the subjects were clinically dead.
I don't know if there is a biological explanation for these events or not. It does however seem to cast a doubt on the interaction between neurons as being the entire explanation behind the concept of "self."
Sioux Rose
AUSSI: There are many such events. This is why the "going to the light" terminology functions as its own vernacular to many. I suppose it's like a UFO encounter. Only those who have experienced such things fully understand them. Much exists that science has not yet the wit nor tools to decipher. It was the artists who split the planes of matter (cubism and so forth) way in advance of the physicists. Many technological "inventions" are copies of things done routinely by animals and insects. Nature worked out the logistics, and then human engineers take all the credit. Until a human "discovers" something, it's presumed not to exist. And just as only 10% of our brains are used, the same ratio is seen in that portion of an iceberg that extends above the ocean surface. Who can imagine what worlds of perception exist inside that unspoken for 90%?
I remember a documentary wherein the conclusions of Ivy League brain researchers seemed ridiculous, to the point of funny. They were attempting to "prove" that the prevalence of this "go to the light" experience felt at near-death interims belongs to something IN the brain. They deduced this hypothesis on the basis of stimulating a portion of the brain, wherein the experience was recreated. People had all the sensations of going to the Light. Now to a mystic, the larger question might run more along the lines of why was that particular "sensation" there in the first place? Could it not represent some form of soul memory being triggered when the scientists activated that portion of a lobe?
To the scientist grounded in materialism, everything owning a physical cause and effect relationship, it might seem that such an experience is "just there in that part of the brain." The key question is why! To me the fact that such a sensation can be tweaked suggests evidence of the universality of the experience itself. That "going to the light" or being "out of body" is a transition recorded in our brains because due to the life to life interim, we pass through this "zone" over the course of our incarnations. Mystics believe in soul memory, too. There are rich, esoteric answers the so-called scientific mind is not yet prepared to entertain. This hardly means they lack viability.
They work for me.
Souixrose, I have been fascinated by NDE's since my introduction to them. I have to say, at first, I was skeptical of the reports of such phenomina, but after seeing so many different cases that had such striking similarities, and actually knowing some who have experienced the same near death experience, I believe it is a real experience. Scientists and physicians have tried to explain some of the experience, but they always come up short of a true rational explnation.
Another comment made a comparison between NDE's, the supernatural, and God. I don't believe that is necessary. However, I do believe that there is a huge world of knowledge that the human race has yet to understand. At one point in time, it was thought, by science, that the Earth was the center of the universe. Now we know that to be bunk. What happens after death is a true unknown, as of now. The fact that there are so many NDE's that have very similar characteristics that are as of now unexplainable tells me that there is something we don't know but obviously exists. The bottom line remains...science simply cannot answer everything that we wish to know the answers to...at least right now.
Science can explain most things while religion and astrology cannot verify what it says. Science isn't perfect in giving all rational explanations but religion and astrology cause the mind to think irrationally and they're scams used to control others. Men use religion and women use astrology to dominate. Science is open to improvements and correction while religion and astrology are scams.
Sioux Rose
SHAWN: You belong in a mind-fart convention. Your thought process makes me ill. Go bother someone else. You're like the gum on my shoe.
See what happens when too much astrology is in your brain? You didn't even notice that I was replying to Aussidawg. Too irrational to read a thread? Thanks for proving my point. Go seek some mental counseling, astro motherf**ker.
Sioux Rose
If you discredit the field to which I have devoted 30 years of research (while retaining an educated clientele); and while you in turn have nothing of substance to offer, and have not published a thing in your life... you deserve to be put in your place, that is, like gum on the bottom of a shoe. Until such time as you show respect to those who have greater knowledge than you do, you will be treated as thus.
I don't pretend to know more than my mechanic, and I don't attack the views of those in this forum who are better-informed than I am on any given subject. You have no education, your life experience is a sham, and yet you pose as if you are in a position to offer an informed opinion on anything, up to and including a continuous stream of insults for my work. A field you know NOTHING about. To me that makes you a zero... so you and your buddies can cowardly hide behind the use a number of names to say the same stupid things over and over again. I want new people in this forum to know exactly what you are. When you attack me, I will tell the truth. That is something you are incapable of. Instead of showing readers the limits of your intelligence which you do so boldly and so often, why don't you go back to school and learn something. The waters here are too deep for one such as yourself who can only appreciate the shallow end. (OS, sorry if I borrowed you analogy.)
I don't have to write bs books or act like hysterical zombie male-hating queen like you to be a kool dude. I love my life and this country while you hate your own and this country. Astrology and religion are scams and you're a fool to argue otherwise. I've met a few astrologers. Dumb as they are, I've never met a she-devil in the batch. I can build and repair buildings and appliances. Instead of wasting your time on this forum, why not educate your neighbors. Go join those groups dedicated to your progressive causes. How many right wingers have you successfully converted? I've succeeded more than you and I didn't need an education in astrology to keep it plain and simple. Go ahead and tell the whole world who you and your worshipping idiots think I am. You just proved me right again. You're so irrational you still think I have a team and you couldn't even see that I was replying to aussidawg instead of you. I beat you at your own game, loser. IN YOUR FACE IN YOUR FACE !! HAHAHAHAHAHA ! If I could repair your brain, I'd be a f--king millionaire but I'd lose your entertainment so I'll leave it that way. Thanks for the entertainment. Here's 10 bucks for you. Go knock yourself out with another latte. Everytime you think you're beating me up, you're beating yourself up and that goes double for anyone who defends you. Keep it simple or keep it losing. It isn't rocket science. Your books would be kool for the fireplace.
Sioux Rose
Fascination, like wonder, or retaining what Christ termed "the child mind" keeps the brain open to new learning. Too many are too identified with the ego-process that tends to be proud of what it logically "knows." Then anything that contrasts with that is tossed aside. I am always open to learning new things, and will not have my wings clipped by those afraid to fly over the earth plane to gain a wider panoramic view of this mystery we term life. Welcome to the upper atmospheres!
Near death experiences are all anecdotal, and so the reports of the patients must be taken on faith, as well as the explanations. Anyone who wants to use near death experiences to "prove" reincarnation is free to go for it! It's a variant on the "proof" of god from "personal experience." I don't have time for it. When someone demonstrates a "mind" working independently of a brain, that will get my serious attention!
I don't pretend that science will ever fully explain the mind or consciousness. As one Zen author I admire once wrote (and I paraphrase): "The mind trying to fully understand itself is like an ear trying to hear itself hear." At present, however, the last few decades in neuroscience have turned our concepts of consciousness inside out. Fascinating stuff! And still no need for the supernatural. But, hey! Everyone is free to disagree about it! Whatever! Nature's getting ready to give our species a real shake-down, so the disagreements won't matter much in the years to come.
Yup - straight from the Buddha himself!
Well well, finally I got cut. For two words, none of them profane. Very curious. They didn't even leave a "deleted" message. I was wiped out completely -- so read this one fast.
Gary
"The habit of religion is oppressive, an easy way out of thought."
-- Peter Ustinov
If you have the time to read and contemplate one article this year, make it this one.
A very long article yet it got better as it progressed. It should be homework for all progressives - "homework" in that it requires some mental work to absorb - the mental work of expanding your understanding.
Try combining this understanding with the drive (and success) of the wealthy for ever increasing wealth as a desperate craving to CONTROL, rather than ACCEPT, the world around them .... including ultimately the inevitability of their own death.
Put it all together and you've got a reasonably accurate view of what's going on.
Then I wonder ... is it all just the same problem that has become more and more evident through history ... the human ego?
Is Mr. Lakoff a nice person? Is he polite, kind, generous, honest, loving?
What cannot be measured doesn't exist?
I studied some cognitive science when I was a grad student in AI in computer science back in the 1980s and so some of the research mentioned I find familiar and fascinating. However, from the more fundamental research about neural circuits, and theories about how affection gets tied to warmth, Lakoff then makes a giant leap to apply such research to the political arena and mentions silly pseudo-science studies about conservatives and liberals and makes suggestions about what Obama must do.
There is no sound science that is directly applicable to politics and political matters, as there are innumerable different conclusions one could reach with regard to political matters on the basis of the research.
The preposterous conservative mind vs. liberal mind set-up could be more easily and directly described as a contrast between those "below the median in feeling secure" vs. "above the median in feeling secure." The conservatives Lakoff describes generally in some way feel insecure because they are below the median in income, education, or sophistication or because they live without a social safety net. The liberals are generally those who are above the median or live with a social safety net and feel more secure and that helps explain their attitudes. Those conservatives, often gullible, because of the lack of sophistication, and also resentful of "know-it-all liberals," are then easily manipulated by elite corporatists and the ultra-wealthy to vote for politicians representing the interests of corporatists and the wealthy even though it works against the economic interests of these voters (most of the corporatists' politicians, being secure, do not share the same social issue concerns with their tools and so do nothing along these lines except pay lip service). And as they elect more conservative politicians who implement more conservative policies, their safety net erodes even further and they feel even more insecure, providing the basis for a positive feedback loop.
Also, Obama and his criminal gang members know how they could please the masses, but they have no interest in doing that. They not only depend on the campaign contributions of the elites and the approval of the pro-elite corporate media, but they have their eyes on board seats in predatory corporations after leaving "public service" and they have little interest in risking losing those.
False reason vs. real reason... hypothetical constructs to suit a point of view.
Anyway, how does Lakoff explain why a so-called expert in Constitutional Law, who just happens to be president, is so willing to help conservatives trash the Constitution. What legal theory has his mind invented? Lakoff makes no judgements about anyone's behavior and this is very convenient for him. But those who have the brains to frame their words conscioiusly so as to influence others for personal gain, there's something else going on here. It's not just about everyone being consistent with their own moral values. There is such a thing as moral cowardice. And there is such a things as honor and courage. And when the top 1% of the population owns and/or controls the bulk of the country's financial assets, this is not about false reason or real reason or frames or anything like that... although you can make a case for just about anything if you're smart enough. I agree that most of human behavior is unconscious. Lakoff needs to explain why humans can't get beyond their fear and whether or not there is such a thing as wisdom in pursuit of real peace, brotherhood, and/or happiness. Human behavior is more complicated than Lakoff's world view of it even if he comes by his beliefs by way of "science." I'm not saying his theory is not a useful way to think about things, but it doesn't explain a whole lot of things not said.
Sioux Rose
MARK A: Well-said. Any worldview that only takes into account polarity (here depicted as liberal or conservative options only) without any appreciation for nuance, is self-limiting and therefore inaccurate.
GIOVANNA: You sure pegged this guy. I think he's a cognitive victim of his own framing; that he got lost inside his own self-constructed paradigm. Admittedly he offers some valid insights, but in his efforts to link everything to his "sample," he takes liberties that diminish the value of what he does reveal. This was not Lakoff's finest piece!
>>Even though liberals have worked tirelessly for the material benefit of working people, the repetition of conservative populist frames over more than 40 years has had an effect.
My BS meter just exploded. That said, I continued to slog through the entirety of this article and actually feel dumber for having done so.
I do not like progressives using mental tricks to influence me anymore than I like conservatives doing it. Are you suggesting progressives should use the same tactics? Just because something works doesn't mean its the right thing to do.
Exactly how emotional must one be in order to know "real reason?" I will never trust emotional responses over logical ones. I get way more squeamish by someone doing something or crying over something illogical than I do by someone eating worms. I plan to use what you call "false reason" until the day I die. I don't care if conservatives can't understand it.
You state what I think is a typical viewpoint from progressives. On sites like this, where we speak to the choir, logic is all any of us really wants, but try to convince a conservative without some emotional button-pushing, and you're likely wasting your breath. Personally, I hope some progressives do "care if conservatives can't understand it." Otherwise I think we're going nowhere in a hurry.
"Exactly how emotional must one be in order to know 'real reason?' I will never trust emotional responses over logical ones."
Let's see how your response measures up if we put in the concept that Lakoff was actually discussing in his article: values oriented.
"Exactly how values oriented must one be in order to know 'real reason?' I will never trust values oriented responses over logical ones."
Well, I'll never trust logical responses that ignore values ones.
Lakoff is pointing out that a logical argument that doesn't consider values is empty as far as convincing people of anything. I realized this decades ago and called it the "rubber band syndrome." Perhaps a logical argument would convince someone of something during the argument, but their values pull them right back to their previous position. It's like having a rubber band on your wrist, you can pull it out as far as you want, but as soon as you let go it snaps back.
The real issue we must discuss is about values.
"But he changed after the election. Obama moved from real reason, how people really think, to false reason, a traditional view coming out of the Enlightenment and favored by all too many liberals."
As brilliant as you are in analysis of "frames" and other intellectual phenomenon, you don't understand one concept over all others-cui bono. Who benefits?
Mr. Obama has done one and only one thing well-promote the interests of the financial/ruling elite.
He will frame, lie, cheat and steal to further the objectives of the rulers-which is full dominance of the political, economic, social and cultural environment.
Mr. Obama was a shill of the financial elite before the election. He grew up as a servant of the ruling elite. He was raised by white, affluent people from Chicago.
This is not hard to understand; but if you don't you will remain an apologist of your class.
Just viewing this from logic circuit of my brain.
Since Medicare is a warm ,nurturing word . I do not understand why any human in this society would turn away from its promise.
Conservatives have indeed worked hard at diminishing the warm and nurturing part of governmental institution while preserving and substantially boosting the Polluting and Destructive parts of governmental institutions. So are conservatives really for small governments? They are it seems to have sided to protect themselves from external threats ("Them") rather than internal threats ("Us").
Frames created by Conservative and Liberal is based on political moves. Political thought come out of societal pressures. Hence, to boost the liberal stand on how government should spend from the treasury , the new government (circa 2009) should have allowed full consequence of conservative economic moves to play out. Higher un-employment, failing banks, etc. . This would have diminished the conservative frames which it has created in our brain.
Until then, scope of our discriminatory laws expanded to include Conservative Brain. A Liberal initiative.
"Every time a liberal goes over a conservative proposal giving evidence negating conservative ideas one by one, he or she is activating the conservative ideas in the brains of his audience."
Which FOX 'News' has turned into a trademark, which is why 'the left' should boycott em flat. The only reason they 'invite' guests like, say, Arianna Huffington, or Paul Krugman on various 'news shows' is to push all the 'I hate liberals' buttons of their R-nut base, not one of whom hears a single word any damn lyin liberal says...
Also, there's an interesting point overlooked in this otherwise fine piece: those who question theirs, and all, frame systems - AKA, artists.
There are very few conservative filmmakers, rock stars, painters, etc - because self-examination is not one of their strong points, and questioning their own frame systems is forbidden, as mentioned above.
And that's another example of the "perspective of real reason as conservatives use it." They rail against evil liberal Hollywood but see every flick in between 8hrs/day of TV, vid games, gossip rags, etc while creating virtually zero content of their own... and, of course, since lots of art asks one to question themselves and their frames, that triggers anger at the evil Hollywood liberals... rinse, repeat...
Dr. Lakoff's article touches on the reason progressive ideas have all but disappeared from the American discourse. Thom Hartmann touched on the same topic in his book "Cracking the Code." Progressives can rant and posture that they won't use the same tactics as those evil conservatives, or they don't buy the theory (used scientifically), or they think it is nonsense, or they have a better theory (used colloquially), or yadda, yadda, yadda. Very predictable behavior, based on the article. What it all boils down to in the end is, do progressives want to make a difference, or are they comfortable with the status quo? Do progressives want to reshape political discourse in this country, or do they want to sit back smugly and say "I told you so" when the next conservative "hero" trashes the country and the planet. This incessant chatter over whether Mr. Obama is simply a corporate shill or just doesn't get it is merely a distraction. We can use the tactics of framing to get the message to the intended recipients, or we can continue to be elitist snobs and not care that our intetellectual arguments are not influencing people in a positive way. Put another way, it is time for progressives to exercise a bit of pragmatism.
Well said.
Thank you. Framing the framing so to speak. Progressives need to get their feet and hands dirty. Need to create a compelling narrative that competes with the conservative version. We need to use what God gave us to work with, a mixture of conservative and progressive and more (the author over-simplifies this) in the public. So we need to tailor the message for the market, not try to force the market to conform to us!
Gary
"China is a big country, inhabited by many Chinese."
-~ Charles De Gaulle
Well stated.
Except for the last sentence, I agree. When you say pragmatic, one would assume the typical centrist Democrat and that doesn't help progressives. We use the tactics of framing to move the country to the left and leave pragmatism out.
Let's see: Child rearing habits are greatly influenced by one's moral frame. A patriarchal, punitive, controlling style of bringing up children plays itself out in forming the child's subsequent political and social world view--a conservative one. Isn't it possible that this "style" is inherited? That conservative and liberal styles are passed along with our genes? If so, liberals haven't been at fault for ignoring "framing issues." Rather, they have simply been outnumbered. You aren't going to change many people's outlook on the world by simply changing the frames used in describing conflicts; they've already been socialized into those outlooks in their childhoods.
The United States population is fundamentally conservative because of the kinds of people that decided to migrate here. They tended to be religious and moral purists, scorning intellectual achievement--remember how Kerry or Al Gore were scorned as being "wonkish"? And how businessmen with their "go get'em" attitudes have always been admired? It has to do with genetics, not the success of the right-wing noise machine. I say, let the left gather together in places where they can put their moral frame into action, into small states and communities--and forget about influencing what goes on in Washington. Maybe differential fertility will favor the left in the long run, but not in the immediate future. Don't hold your breath waiting for the conversion of millions from right-wing framing to left-wing framing.
I disagree in the sense that it wasn't always the way we are now. A distinct minority (reich-wing, 'moral majority') has gained considerable influence, just like they did in Nazi germany so many years ago - and now look at germany.
No, I think what we have now in government and society is not different from what went before. Of course, Zinn backs me up on that one. This country's history is a long narrative of a strongly Christian, nativist, anti-intellectual, and anti-government thinking and action. The present time is noteworthy because modern media make it so easily to manipulate the masses. However, fundamental values have not changed.
I agree with the history, I just disagree with your recommendation:
"...forget about influencing what goes on in Washington."
I think more people pulling away from Washington makes it easier for authoritarians to take and maintain control. I'm saying to vote, and continue to press the federal gov't for changes through movements.
That was a worthy read, imo. But, I found even more interesting the ideas in this book I recently read (free, online) "The Authoritarians"
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
I think it ties in with this article in some ways, but focuses on the authoritarian mindset which seems to be the real driver.
John Dean has also given interesting insight into authoritarian-seekers.
John Dean's thoughts on the conservative mindset came from this guy that wrote (arrrgh, I can't remember his name off hand) "The Authoritarians." This is an excellent online book by the way!