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Dem Leaders Scheme to Scrap Health-Reform Conference Committee
Progressive activists have put a good deal of energy into preparing for an anticipated House-Senate conference committee, in which the distinct health-care reform bills enacted by the two chambers would be reconciled. The theory has been that, in the conference process, it might be possible to strengthen the especially weak language and policies of the Senate bill.
But what if there is no conference committee? What if key players in the House and Senate come up with a scheme that would allow them to "work things out" among themselves without having to empower a conference committee? What if they simply scrap the freewheeling and potentially difficult to control negotiation over the character and content of the final bill?
Then pressure from progressives could be without consequence, as all authority would rest with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California; Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, and a few of their closest compatriots. And the insurance industry and other lobbying interests that offer congressional Democrats the prospect of substantial 2010 election funding would only have to deal with House and Senate leaders who are already thinking -- make that, already worrying -- about the fall and who have set themselves up as conduits for campaign cash.
Could such a scenario play out? Absolutely.
Indeed, every indication suggests that congressional Democratic leaders are preparing either to go with a so-called "ping-pong" approach that would have the House simply take up the Senate bill -- or, more likely, to a strategy that would have differences between the two bills sorted out at the leadership level and agree to a set of changes that would be "packaged into a single amendment to the bill."
This is being pitched by some Democratic insiders -- and their allies in the punditocracy -- as a tactic that would exclude Republicans from the process. And there might be some appeal to getting the "party of no" out of the way. But a scheme that excludes right-wingers who are opposed to any change is also likely to exclude progressives who want real change.
Congressional Progressive Caucus co-chair Raul Grijalva, D-Arizona, who has argued for using the conference process to strengthen the weak Senate measure – by restoring a government-run public option as an alternative to profiteering by private insurers, among other initiatives – expressed frustration with the latest development in the reform fight.
"I am disappointed that there will be no formal conference process by which various constituencies can impact the discussion," said Grijalva. "I have not been approached about my concerns with the Senate bill, and I will be raising those at the Democratic Caucus meeting on Thursday. I and other progressives saw a conference as a means to improve the bill and have a real debate, and now with this behind-the-scenes approach, we're concerned even more."
Grijalva concern about the closing down of the process is appropriate.
Who says?
Harry Reid.
In 2006, when Republicans controlled both chambers of the Congress, they employed a "manager's amendment" scheme that, in the words of The Hill newspaper sought to "go around the formal conference committee and instead use closed-door negotiations to work out the differences between the House and Senate legislation."
Reid objected, declaring that: "Sometimes Democrats complain and sometimes Republicans complain -- whoever is in the minority here. Well, we didn't get enough consultation; you cut us out of the process. But at least you had a group of Democrats and Republicans in the process. Here, you have one person making a decision as to what is going to be in the managers' amendment."
Reid was right then.
He's wrong now.
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Show AllWhose surprised? The Horse and Pony show over this bill has gotten tedious. The deals were all cut behind the scenes months ago, maybe even before the whole Kabuki dance started last yr. Get on with it already pass this piece of crap and cut your own political throats already. Can't these MORONS even read the political handwriting on the wall behind all of these CORP. bailouts and giveaways and other various and sundry betrayals? 45% of your base aren't coming out next fall! We've had it with you lying scumbags!
To the 45% who no longer will allow themselves to be jerked around by the Democratic Party:
The Green Party is a viable alternative if you make it so! If we can get, especially, the younger generation involved in building on a party that already has some of the hard work done - ballot lines in a majority of states - we could have the energy it takes to be a credible challenge to the sold out Democrats. The least we could do is ruin a few careers. There must be a reckoning or things will continue to slide. It's the physics of social dynamics. Haven't we noticed?
As if it wasn't already clear, the reactionaries called the "Democrat leadership" have just flipped the bird to the US populace in order to suck on the extortion industry's giant cock.
Profiting from the sufferings of others indebts the soul.
Who profits the word shaves the bones.
I'm just glad there is at least one non-right wing place on the internet where there is overwhelming opposition to the mandate, which without public control of health care is quite literally fascism. The opposition at other non-right places is more nuanced and less overwhelming. But both the right and the hard right are furious, and overall opinion against the mandate is surprisingly high, in excess of 60%.
All of those in favor of the law are (I assume unwittingly) showing their ignorance of both macroeconomics and microeconomics. A book could be written to explain why and how this law violates laws of economics and why and how it will make things worse.
True, some people (besides the insurance company and health industry stakeholders) will benefit to a limited extent, but many more will be harmed by the new laws, which among their dozens of faults do NOT actually create a national health insurance or a national health care system or program.
With the little time I have here I want to mention a curious and very disturbing fact that I discovered which has flown under the radar: The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has officially predicted that only about 45-50% of those without insurance now and who will still not be eligible for Medicaid will comply with the mandate and buy the insurance. The rest will still be without insurance.
Thinking that CBO might be unrealistically high on their compliance estimate, I was actually surprised when I crunched numbers to deduce what the CBO compliance estimate actually is based on their publicly revealed still uninsured even after "reform" number, which is about 22 million one year after "reform" takes affect (2015). (I do not have the time these days to actually slog through CBO reports and I half thought they would not openly have what I was after in their reports anyway, so I simply did a quick economics projection and deduced what they are saying about compliance.)
So another reason this is an unprecedentedly bad law is that the government knows in advance that there will be mass non-compliance. I was thinking the government would be predicting a higher compliance percentage than me, but this is apparently not the case. It seems that roughly half of people who are supposed to comply with the mandate are not going to, according to the government itself. I mean come on, you have to do better than that, Democrats, if you want to with a straight face say you even tried to provide health care to the masses.
With sky high non-compliance numbers like those, the whole thing looks like it will devolve into an episode similar to what happened with prohibition. Whether the Republicans will actually repeal the mandate within the next 5-10 years, however, can not at the moment be predicted with any confidence one way or the other. But it does seem certain that the mandate with no "public option" at all and with totally lacking and ineffective cost controls and regulation will go the way of the dodo bird in 15-20 years and within 25 years at the very most. Within that time, the mandate will be dead either officially or, at the very least, unofficially, from any combination of numerous and obvious threats to it, just as prohibition was dead before the amendment was officially repealed.
Prior: http://www.unity-progress.blogspot.com
Thanks for dredging up that info. But I doubt the GOP will repeal the mandate as it's quite favorable to their extortion industry cronies. Indeed, the bill looks like it was written by Republicans with all its Rovian characteristics.
Is it time to seriously build up a third party - I suggest Green because they already have ballot lines in a majority of states - or do we want to be jerked around for another decade or two?
"Congressional Progressive Caucus co-chair Raul Grijalva, D-Arizona, who has argued for using the conference process to strengthen the weak Senate measure – by restoring a government-run public option as an alternative to profiteering by private insurers, among other initiatives – expressed frustration with the latest development in the reform fight."
If he thinks he's frustrated, he should talk to those of us who believe that "single payer" is the only solution to this health care crisis.
"The drafting of proposed legislation is often a done deal before the public knows it has begun, much less has a chance for input." (http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=ask_this.view&askthisid=00304).
The Corporate-loving parasites in the Senate have no plans of doing antyhing that benefits average citizens in this country. Why would they when it's big-money contributions that allow them to make life-long careers in slime politics and become millionaires in the process?
Seeing how Obama played the bail outs to the corporate elites did you really think that things would be any different with healthcare? Did you really? You people really need to stop sitting on your brains! Oh, by the way don't expect much of anything when it comes to card check either!
I understand that the mundane day-to-day operation of government wasn't just thought up by Satan on a whim and put in place.
Yet I find that more and more, even inoffensive, matter-of-fact, unpretentious wonkery riles me up.
Reid is like an abusive parent-- or Significant Other Pelosi's "boyfriend"-- perfectly willing to duct-tape unruly kids' heads or do whatever it takes to get the job done. Of COURSE they will ruthlessly bugger the process to reach the predetermined conclusion: a Big Win for Obama in the form of a bailout of the health insurance industry. Duh.
The passage of grievously defective laws designed to subsidize and protect corporate entities at the literal and comprehensive expense of the ordinary unprivileged citizen is a foregone conclusion-- exactly like once and future "guilty" verdicts in the various cut-corner kangaroo courts fabricated by the executive branch for the Global War on Terror.
We call it something else now, but I can't remember what at the moment.
Let's recap: our Elected Misrepresentatives, a professionalized cadre of technocratic executives, managers, brokers-- businesspersons-- convene in secret to conduct business in a specialized and supreme mercantile exchange.
This is "business as usual", essentially a closed, exclusive, and private process-- equivalent to a private and very exclusive high-stakes poker marathon with players from the top percentile of professional gamblers.
We the People delivered, or "brung", them there, but otherwise are reduced to the status of children, serfs, or slaves assembled in the courtyard to await their Masters' public proclamations of the laws that govern their lives.
What of the prudent necessity for "sunshine" and "transparency", to which at least Democrats religiously pay lip service?
For starters, omnibus legislation expressed in thousand-plus pages of single-spaced text is at best a cruel parody of transparency-- a bluff virtually impossible to call. We are enjoined to simply accept as an article of faith that in our refined, ultra-sophisticated, hyper-complex, high-tech politico-business culture, this is simply the way it must be.
The experts are on a mission, and besides, they don't have the time to stop and explain to laypersons exactly what they're up to. That would be counterproductive, and not Pragmatic. But the ordinary citizen has a remedy: the right to "demand" clarification and answers from one's own Elected Misrepresentatives.
After all, the conventional view of rational, enlightened government presumes a convivial relationship between a constituency and its elected representatives, not an adversarial one. In this world, a citizen need not scruple to insist on details of pending legislation affecting his/her interest, and advocate those interests while doing so. In turn, the honest and trustworthy representative earnestly, candidly, and comprehensively answers the questions and connects the dots-- and gives the constituent's position due consideration.
Well-- even the crowd at "The Nation" wouldn't go THAT far. But the more realistic "remedy" is that the citizens are themselves "free" to BECOME experts; it's entirely up to them! Thus is transparency-- and more importantly, honor-- vindicated.
The experts, the pros, the sharps, the shysters, the pimps, the ten-percenters, the bean-counters, the horse-traders and wheeler-dealers don't just accidently produce masterpieces of mystification and obfuscation like the Patriot Act and the egregiously devolved No Insurer Left Behind abomination.
IMO, our understanding of the depraved buccaneers occupying Congress and the White House ought to be beyond civics-class pearl-clutching by now.
Geez, it's like saying, "I knew Obama and Rahm and Harry and Nancy were asking me to bend over a lot, but I could never figure out their REASONS for doing it."
I still get a daily slew of e-mail because of my foolish and desperate support of Democratic candidates in 2006.
And I guarantee you that every step along the way, and long after this foul and pestilential legislation of mass destruction is launched at the Amerikan people, I'll be getting self-congratulatory missives from every side thanking me for supporting their valiant fight to make true affordable universal health care available to Amerikans.
This by way of reminding me that they value my support. My call is important to them; in fact, they couldn't do it without me! If only! Oh, and if I happen to have any loose change on me, they'd be right proud if I tossed it their way.
· Yr Obd't Servant
You are right.
Get over that Yr Obd't Servant shit!! You been had. Your 'foolish and desperate support of Democratic candidates indicates how far that obd't servant role got you...and all of us.
Face it. You were duped with that 'lesser of two evils' shit. You didn't want to 'spoil' the election. When you vote next time you MUST check the voting record of the candidate you are thinking of giving your vote to. All of us need to just check on how your Representative voted on three recent issues.
If you 'rep' voted for the bankster bailout, the surge in Afghanistan or did not support Single Payer, Medicare for all---that person is not your rep. That corrupt being took the big bucks and betrayed you. That person is corrupt to the core and you better wise up and not vote for that slime again. Kick the corrupt out of Congress. We deserve better than this---and we need to wake up and demand some democracy. No body is going to give you anything. You have to stand up and fight back.
While we are sitting in front of these glowing screens, our President (or should I say Commander in Chief?) has sent troops to Yemen and Somalia. No money or help for the people of this nation---well, not for the working people, The top 1% is doing just fine, thank you. They count--and obedient servants don't. Stand up and say, "I won't take this anymore!"
Lol. I am clutching my pearls, clinching my cheeks and laughing my ass off. I fell for the same crap in 2006. Can't get fooled again!
This congress is turning health care reform into a "cull the poor and middle class to improve rich people's health" bill.
And then there's the really important item for the congressional whore house: Financial "reform".
Of immediate worry and importance to us is that these bastard senators who have announced their retirement (promotion to lobbyist super rich elite) are now TOTALLY FREE to give the public a giant finger for the rest of their term. This means there will be NO financial regulation, reform or addressing of the financial crimes committed by the Wall Street and the White House.
It's a very ugly picture:
1) Keep funding the war profiteers.
2) Gut Medicare and Social Security.
Only a massive collapse of our currency will slow or stop number one. NOTHING will stop number two. The elites are committed.
Madame DeFarge is coming to the USA. Let's call her "Country Momma".
Country Momma has a great recipe for cooked Wall Street Pig. It's kosher and it feeds a lot of people. One of the amazing things about these particular pigs is the enormous size of their heads. The ears and cheeks can be used as sausage stuffing (Geithner links).
So, knowing how allergic the public now is to the corporate duopoly, expect a new set of fake populists to smile real pretty at us. The give away is that a fake populist gets lots of copy and a lot of apparant indignation from the elite that this "populist" is "against big business", etc. It's a minefield but the observant person can navigate it.
Remember, do not trust promises. Believe ONLY the VERIFIED track record. Find out what people like Nader, McKinney, Kucinich or Sheehan think about the candidate. Negative press from the MSM does NOT automatically qualify a candidate as a progressive or a good guy/gal (it could be a reverse psychology trick).
Country Momma is a very methodical lady.
Nichols sez: "This is being pitched ... as a tactic that would exclude Republicans from the process."
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Sorry, but that pitch sailed over the batter's head and into the bleachers.
If Republicans have any problem with the actual function of this bill, it's jealousy that they weren't able to shove through such a regressive wet dream when they had the numbers. (See: karlof1, 7:17 p.m.)
Their "exclusion" is moot.
The tactic is instead designed to exclude The People from the process ... much like every other step this Kabuki Theater has taken since Baucus and O'Bomber "excluded" single-payer advocates.
The two-party duopoly has to pretend to be in opposition. They aren't. They collude so that both can reap the benefits.
Actually they are competing, not colluding. But the Democrats are so dumb that they are fighting for the chance to hang this political millstone around their own necks. The Republicans are pretending to oppose the "health care" bill while laughing their asses off amongst themselves.
The individual mandate contained in the fake "reform" is a poison pill that the Democrats are eager to swallow.
But the Democrats don't care if they lose in 2010 or 2012, they will just get higher paying jobs as "lobbyists".
Why let something like a Constitution get between friends?
-Mexican Proverb
Disclaimer: Quotation not intended as an insult to Mexico, which by now probably has far less government corruption than the USA.