Subscribe to Common Dreams News Updates
Most Popular This Week
Popular content
Today's Top News
Same-Sex Unions Will Enhance the Traditions of Marriage
Gay couples deserve the benefits of marriage as a matter of civil rights and social justice.
CommonDreams.org Editor's Note: This year, the Maine State Legislature and Governor Baldacci - with the rousing support of Maine residents - passed one of the most comprehensive Marriage Equality laws in the country. Opponents of equality have now forced a statewide vote to challenge the new law. The Vote No on #1 Campaign - which supports marriage equality - is fighting bravely against the misleading and hateful campaign lead by those who would deny equal rights to our gay, lesbian, and transgendered neighbors. The following was written (full disclosure) by this editor's father, but it appears here as testimony to the dignity and strength of those who fight, think, and activate on behalf of those who are denied the rights that others enjoy. Let Maine's battle against those standing in the way of equality not go the way of California's. In the end, this battle will be national and then global. But for now, we must fight it where the lines are drawn.
SCARBOROUGH, Maine — The headline of the Sept. 14 Maine Voices commentary by Tim Russell – co-founder of The Maine Marriage Alliance – reads: "There's lots of proof same-sex marriage will harm the rights of others." We read the column to find there is no proof whatsoever and lots of opinion based on religion.
Without the rule of law – remembering that laws change and evolve – there would have been no advances in civil rights, and the "Rights of Man" would have never given rise to freedom in France and America by limiting the power of kings and nobles.
Without the rule of law – remembering that laws change and evolve – there would have been no freedom from slavery, no women's suffrage and no civil rights movement. And, of course, those changes in the law, and in society, always followed great struggle.
So over time and with struggle, we reinterpret what is right and become more inclusive as we discover that the changes sought in the name of social justice are good for the larger society – even when they are at first very difficult for those who have had to accommodate change against their will, like the nobility of Europe, the king of England and white men everywhere.
Mr. Russell begins his column by asserting that: "Traditional marriage is more substantial and profound than can be contained in our society's current conception of 'love' and 'equality.'"
That is absolutely true. That is why it is so important for all people to have access to traditional marriage. That is the very point. Gay couples don't want to eliminate the "substantial and profound" traditions of marriage. As a matter of civil rights and social justice, they want access to these traditions – just like every other citizen.
Mr. Russell goes on to assert that there would be "no logical, philosophical or legally rational basis for prohibiting people who want multiple wives, multiple husbands, or any combination thereof from marrying."
Nonsense! This is an obfuscation designed to help you take your eye off the ball. The law as passed has nothing to do with any of the traditional impediments such as bigamy and incest. Hundreds, indeed, thousands of people worked very hard to get the current law passed.
Logically, philosophically and legally, you need a large constituency of people to change or pass a law. Russell creates a straw man or straw menage. There is no constituency for multiple, underage or incestuous marriage.
Russell then goes on to define who can get married. But he distorts the list to serve his own purpose. He adds to the traditional impediments of bigamy, incest and majority, a fourth: You "must marry someone of the opposite sex."
In the Old South it was: You must marry someone of the same race. But we changed that tradition by changing the laws. Did that benefit society? Yes. Did it make some folks angry? Yes! But society was evolving.
Russell then asserts – with no citation, so it is impossible to check his facts – that "Social science shows conclusively that children do best when raised by their married biological mother and father."
I challenge that statement. Is it fact or opinion? What was the methodology? Who funded the study? (The scientific standard when using data to support an argument is to cite the source so the reader can examine the science underlying the data.)
What an insult to anyone raised by a granny, an aunt or uncle or an adoptive parent and to all the good men and women – gay and straight – who have successfully and lovingly raised children not biologically their own!
Finally – in a kind of reverse logic – Russell asserts that: "In states where same-sex marriage is legal, we are already seeing the threat it poses to religious liberties and personal right of conscience."
It is more the case that religious license seeks to suppress civil liberties and individual conscience.
That is why our Founding Fathers in their wisdom and experience – having seen the bloody religious wars of Europe – put into our Constitution a separation clause and a free-exercise clause, in order to achieve the delicate balance between freedom of religion and freedom from religion.
It is a balance that the same-sex marriage law brilliantly achieves and why it was passed into law by both houses of our Legislature with bipartisan support and signed by our governor to begin with.
My final claim in support of the law is the 14th Amendment. It is a matter of due process and equality before the law.
Mr. Russell says marriage is a substantial and profound tradition. I say you cannot bar a substantial and profound minority from it. Unless, of course, you'd like to bring back separate (but equal) drinking fountains, classrooms and seats on the bus.
- Posted in



17 Comments so far
Show AllI can never figure out how you can legally argue against gay peoples right to marry. They are citizens, and they pay taxes so they should have all the rights straights do, so they should be able to marry and be as miserable as we straights are.
Maybe a law should be passed that says if gays are not given the right to marry, and they can prove they are indeed gay, then they don't have to pay ANY taxes because they are not being given all their rights.
I suspect the number of participants in Gay Parades would quadruple, filled mostly with tax hating Republicans. Can you picture Rush Limbaugh, and Tom Delay in drag?
OK maybe this isn't such a good idea after all...
Great!!!
"so they should be able to marry and be as miserable as we straights are."
And pay alimony, child support and divorce costs! Frankly its a silly argument. Let folks love whom they like. If their "activists" would stop pushing and acting like idiots in some cases, this will just come about.
"I suspect the number of participants in Gay Parades would quadruple, filled mostly with tax hating Republicans. Can you picture Rush Limbaugh, and Tom Delay in drag?
OK maybe this isn't such a good idea after all..."
Wrong! I believe its a great idea!!!! I can see them! Maybe it would help them see the people in the world.
"Wrong! I believe its a great idea!!!! I can see them! Maybe it would help them see the people in the world."
I was not thinking of what THEY would see, I was thinking of what I would see, Linbaugh w/lipstick, a wig and a dress. ("Oh the Humanity!)
"And pay alimony, child support and divorce costs! "
Yes. Your point is what exactly?
"Let folks love whom they like. If their "activists" would stop pushing and acting like idiots in some cases, this will just come about."
Yes. Just as black people, just as women would only have stopped pushing. If black people had only been good and obedient. If only women had been good and obedient.
Typical right wing crap.
My point was tongue in cheek. Get a sense of humor for Christs sake.
As far as pushing....hows that working out for you? Thats my opinion. Pushing "marriage" has gotten nothing. If they would just shut up it would happen sooner.
This is nothing like the black civil rights crusade nor does it enjoy the same support.
Anything not far left is not Right Wing. A distinction many better get familiar with very soon. A convention of the Far Left wouldn't need that big a tent.
I know what your point was. Learn to joke for Christs sake. You aren't funny.
"As far as pushing....hows that working out for you? Thats my opinion. Pushing "marriage" has gotten nothing. If they would just shut up it would happen sooner."
Actually, pushing is working well. LGBT rights isn't just marriage. Marriage is only part of the much bigger picture. COMPLETE equality. Marriage is only a waypoint on the journey towards the final goal. Look at the advancement in LGBT rights in the past 20-30 years. Look at the HUGE differences in attitudes towards LGBT people from those 30 or below, compared to those 50 above. Look at the attitude of society today towards LGBT people, compared to that of society even during the Clinton presidency.
That is PRECISELY the reason why right wingers like you are afraid of the pushing. Just like right wingers were and are afraid of pushing by African Americans. By women.
You see social attitudes towards LGBTs changing, change that you are not in control of, change that is not granted on high from you.
"This is nothing like the black civil rights crusade nor does it enjoy the same support."
Actually, it is similar in how LGBTs are being told by supposedly well meaning people by you, to shut up and stop pushing. I suggest you read MLK Jnr's Letter from A Birmingham Jail. It is similar in how women were, and are told shut up, and not be radical feminists.
"Anything not far left is not Right Wing. A distinction many better get familiar with very soon. A convention of the Far Left wouldn't need that big a tent."
Ring wing views are right wing views. Regardless of whether right wingers like you want to admit or not.
Using the writer's own argument, it may not yet be time for the society of Maine to evolve and change to the point of accepting gay marriage. The majority of the voting electorate of Maine may not yet be ready for the struggle and conflict that occurs during such social evolutionary changes.
The easiest way to deetermine this is with the referendum on the ballot. If it is rejected and if Rhode Island allows
for same sex marriage, it will mean that all of New England has consented to gay marriage.
Then, over time, we will get a chance to see just how good or
bad gay marriage is for any society in which it is allowed.
Will such permission increase or decrease the population of the area? (people voting with their feet)
Will such permission increase or decrease the economic health of the area? (people voting with their $$$)
Will such permission result in more, less, or no change in rates of domestic violence, child abuse, STD's, divorce, or homelessness? (people in relationship with other people)
My suspicion is that what the religious establishment is most afraid of is not the acceptance of sodomy or homosexual houskeeping that such permission will allow, but, rather, that the result will be no substantial change in any of the metrics cited above.
Not only won't New England change that much from what it had been, but it won't look that much different from the rest of the country in such metrics. (not even self-righteous Mormon Utah and Idaho!)
At that point there will be no argument left for advocates of such a ban to hide behind except that it is against their religious faith--which in the US is a "So what?" advocacy. If for no other reason than to expose the faithlessness of the "faithful", it is a good thing that this initiative is going forward.
Poet
[Mr. Russell begins his column by asserting that: "Traditional marriage is more substantial and profound than can be contained in our society's current conception of 'love' and 'equality.'"]
Tripe. Traditional marriage is the transfer of property from one male - the father of the bride - to another male - the groom. As well as to ensure that the wealth of the family would continue to be kept in the {man's} family. That's the real reason that slaves weren't allowed to marry, that would be a form of theft from their masters/owners.
Sure, over the centuries there have been a number of changes to the act of marriage, but the end result of the act is one of property. Who owns what, who owes whom how much...
You can call a dog a horse. but that does not make it one. Likewise, two people of the same sex can live together as if it were a marriage, but that does not make it one. Obviously, there is quite a difference, as two men or two women might have a problem with having their own children.
Civil union, yes, Marriage, no. Try for equal benefits, not the same name.
You can call homophobic bigotry "Nature's Law", or even "God's Plan", but that doesn't make it one.
Obviously, there is quite a difference, as a man and a woman may be unable or unwilling to breed. Yet it would seem that the potential for breeding is your sole qualification for civil marriage.
Non-breeders? Civil union, yes, Marriage, no. Try for equal benefits, not the same name.
· Yr Obd't Servant
Let people who want to marry get married. I don't care whether they are straight or gay couples. If they are of age of consent and wish to marry it really is between the two of them as is whether or not they want to have children. Good grief we have so many busy bodies telling others how to live their lives.
It is hard to understand why the intelligent, sophisticated homosexuals would want to have their loving relationships called by the same name as the bigoted, traditional heterosexuals use for their pitiful unions. Also, they should not adopt children as they might be getting bad genes from bigots who have decided to breed. Better to keep their own pure ways separate and take no chances of being polluted by using the same name for their non-traditional passions.
Ah so you admit that you're a bigot then?
And no, bigots like you don't get to dictate to people what words they use, or whether they adopt children, or whether non-straights want to be "polluted" or not.
Unlike bigots like you, non-straight people aren't obsessed with "purity".
Oh, I don't think there's a genetic component to "traditional" heterosexual bigotry.
As the song says, you've got to be carefully taught.
Incidentally, it is simply flatly untrue that homosexuals don't reproduce, but that's the least of your misconceptions.
And the only thing to say about the "purity" issue is that it's pure, all right-- pure projection on your part. You're plainly the one arguing for the "purity" of marriage, albeit with a pathetic combination of self-righteousness and weak snark.
I suppose you also find homosexuals to be smug and supercilious.
Just sayin'.
· Yr Obd't Servant
I never enjoy debate with people who have no commitment to society; only to their own sectarianism... Zionists, evangelising Christians, elitists, white supremacists, radical feminists, black supremacists... they are all a blight on humanity.
Queally is yet another, with his selective recognition of various elements of social integration, justice, welfare, democracy, history, and so on. The misrepresentations are legend.
Let me just address the most important element of all, genuine democracy. There has not been a lot of open discussion about gay rights and marriage; only the one-eyed rants of homosexual lobbyists. We don't yet know, on a level playing field, what the majority of people think.
And here is the sickening comparison with Zionism... anyone who criticises Israeli genocide, torture, hegemony and oppression is shrilly screamed down as anti-Semetic; ironical as almost none of the Jews so-shrieking have any Semetic DNA... only Khazar, Russian and European. What a joke.
And so it is with activist homosexuals, including Queally, who play the same dirty game; anyone who criticises their unconsionable attacks on the family unit are accused of being homophobic... what? Fear of homos? Are you kidding.
Try it on me. Most of my street fights in the 1960s were defending guys who were being beaten up by poofter-bashers. I have never tolerated bullies, then or now, but these days gays are very happy to bully, blackmail, ridicule, vilify anyone who does not agree with them.
Bad move dudes. Make an enemy of me and you are in real trouble. But that is purely personal.
What of humanity?
Does humanity have any say in this? Yes it does, you miserable little fascists. And note, editor, that I am matching term for term... you father used the fabricated insult 'homophobic' first, and you accused us of being 'hateful'. Not exactly objective editing. I reserve the right to maintain the established level of prose.
Now, if we were to discuss the issues across the planet I think you will find you are outvoted on cultural grounds alone, which Queally so dishonestly slates as Christian. Frankly, I consider Christians as the main obstacle to peace on this planet, and the primary supporters of war. A pox on them.
There are only four cultures in the US, one dominant, and some two thousand on the rest of the planet. So back off and do not presume to misrepresent these as Christian bigots.
Let's redefine marriage for you, along pan-historic and pan-cultural lines: primarily, marriage is about children. I know marriage rules of many cultures, including cultures that were around ten thousand years before Christianity; and when I say, 'know' I mean I lived within the languages, ceremonies and prosaic reality of decades of daily living of these peoples. And let me assure you that male homosexuality was unknown to pre-contact Inuit, Kung or Australian Aborigines; as well probably as Sami and a hundred other peoples who I have as yet not researched.
I have written on the possible conclusions one might draw from this, but now is not the time or the place. My point is that male homosexuality (as opposed to rare genetic abberations), has an environmental genesis and is not 'normal' as claimed.
Secondly, I have surveyed, using the most accurate technique known (interactive questionnaire surveys of previously tested demographic corridors), and found less than 1% were prepared to admit they were gay; and please do not insult me with the usual accusations of intimidatory presentation. I am good at what I do.
So, we have a tiny minority attempting to bulldoze their perversions on their neighbours, more especially, demanding the rights to marriage. Yet in every one of the cultures I have observed or studied, marriage is about, first and foremost, children.
All the rights and protections gays covet are there to protect the rights of children, even if that other blight on humanity, lawyers, have blurred in America what is still clear elsewhere in the world.
And my final point is, just because most Americans are neurotic, childish, semi-literate, shallow and belief-ridden; and therefore suckers for propaganda, this is most assuredly not the case in the rest of the world.
We see you for what you are, and we see the real world to which you are blind. Well, most of us anyway. Marriage is about children; children born of mothers and sired by fathers; nurtured and loved by both; and by extended families; children for whom mum and dad role modeling is essential if they are to fulfill the same roles in the next generation.
Interfere in this at your peril. I am not a pacifist.
Many of us grow up, gay or straight, dreaming about finding the one person that we can commit to for life in Marriage. This isn't about attacking the "institution of marriage," because why would anyone want to attack something that they have admired and aspired to?
You can turn this into a culture war all you want, you can accuse gays of whatever you want to accuse them of, but you are entirely missing the point.
"then or now, but these days gays are very happy to bully, blackmail, ridicule, vilify anyone who does not agree with them."
*rolls eyes*
Yes. It is gay people who are shooting straight people dead, because those people are straight. It is gay people who are beating up straight people. It is gay people who are sacking straight people from jobs.
"Try it on me. Most of my street fights in the 1960s were defending guys who were being beaten up by poofter-bashers. I have never tolerated bullies, then or now, but these days gays are very happy to bully, blackmail, ridicule, vilify anyone who does not agree with them. "
I do not believe you. You are lying.
"
Does humanity have any say in this? Yes it does, you miserable little fascists. And note, editor, that I am matching term for term... you father used the fabricated insult 'homophobic' first, and you accused us of being 'hateful'. Not exactly objective editing. I reserve the right to maintain the established level of prose."
So, for the good of "humanity", women should be kept in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant?
Your entire rant shows what a bigot you are.
"There are only four cultures in the US, one dominant, and some two thousand on the rest of the planet. So back off and do not presume to misrepresent these as Christian bigots."
Of course, good job ignoring that in other cultures and countries, non straight sexual identities exists.
"And let me assure you that male homosexuality was unknown to pre-contact Inuit, Kung or Australian Aborigines; as well probably as Sami and a hundred other peoples who I have as yet not researched."
More lies.
Here's some hints:
Lesbians exist. Transgendered men and women exist. Gay rights isn't just for homosexual men. GLBT children exist.
That you think that only homosexual men exists shows what a bigot you are. Just like all straight male bigots, your entire focus in on male sexuality. Another hint for you bigot, there's far more to the freaking world than straight male sexuality and sexual identity.
"Secondly, I have surveyed, using the most accurate technique known (interactive questionnaire surveys of previously tested demographic corridors), and found less than 1% were prepared to admit they were gay; and please do not insult me with the usual accusations of intimidatory presentation. I am good at what I do."
Sez you. I say that you are fascist liar.
"We see you for what you are, and we see the real world to which you are blind. Well, most of us anyway. Marriage is about children; children born of mothers and sired by fathers; nurtured and loved by both; and by extended families; children for whom mum and dad role modeling is essential if they are to fulfill the same roles in the next generation."
Ah the royal We. Who made you king? And no, you do get to define what the "real" world is. Nor do you get to define the lives that other people want to lead, no matter what your deranged mind believes.
"Interfere in this at your peril. I am not a pacifist."
Typical right wing fascist.