War Is Sin
The crisis faced by combat veterans returning from war is not simply a profound struggle with trauma and alienation. It is often, for those who can slice through the suffering to self-awareness, an existential crisis. War exposes the lies we tell ourselves about ourselves. It rips open the hypocrisy of our religions and secular institutions. Those who return from war have learned something which is often incomprehensible to those who have stayed home. We are not a virtuous nation. God and fate have not blessed us above others. Victory is not assured. War is neither glorious nor noble. And we carry within us the capacity for evil we ascribe to those we fight.
Those who return to speak this truth, such as members of Iraq Veterans Against the War, are our contemporary prophets. But like all prophets they are condemned and ignored for their courage. They struggle, in a culture awash in lies, to tell what few have the fortitude to digest. They know that what we are taught in school, in worship, by the press, through the entertainment industry and at home, that the melding of the state's rhetoric with the rhetoric of religion, is empty and false.
The words these prophets speak are painful. We, as a nation, prefer to listen to those who speak from the patriotic script. We prefer to hear ourselves exalted. If veterans speak of terrible wounds visible and invisible, of lies told to make them kill, of evil committed in our name, we fill our ears with wax. Not our boys, we say, not them, bred in our homes, endowed with goodness and decency. For if it is easy for them to murder, what about us? And so it is simpler and more comfortable not to hear. We do not listen to the angry words that cascade forth from their lips, wishing only that they would calm down, be reasonable, get some help, and go away. We, the deformed, brand our prophets as madmen. We cast them into the desert. And this is why so many veterans are estranged and enraged. This is why so many succumb to suicide or addictions.
War comes wrapped in patriotic slogans, calls for sacrifice, honor and heroism and promises of glory. It comes wrapped in the claims of divine providence. It is what a grateful nation asks of its children. It is what is right and just. It is waged to make the nation and the world a better place, to cleanse evil. War is touted as the ultimate test of manhood, where the young can find out what they are made of. War, from a distance, seems noble. It gives us comrades and power and a chance to play a small bit in the great drama of history. It promises to give us an identity as a warrior, a patriot, as long as we go along with the myth, the one the war-makers need to wage wars and the defense contractors need to increase their profits.
But up close war is a soulless void. War is about barbarity, perversion and pain, an unchecked orgy of death. Human decency and tenderness are crushed. Those who make war work overtime to reduce love to smut, and all human beings become objects, pawns to use or kill. The noise, the stench, the fear, the scenes of eviscerated bodies and bloated corpses, the cries of the wounded, all combine to spin those in combat into another universe. In this moral void, naively blessed by secular and religious institutions at home, the hypocrisy of our social conventions, our strict adherence to moral precepts, come unglued. War, for all its horror, has the power to strip away the trivial and the banal, the empty chatter and foolish obsessions that fill our days. It lets us see, although the cost is tremendous.
The Rev. William P. Mahedy, who was a Catholic chaplain in Vietnam, tells of a soldier, a former altar boy, in his book "Out of the Night: The Spiritual Journey of Vietnam Vets," who says to him: "Hey, Chaplain ... how come it's a sin to hop into bed with a mama-san but it's okay to blow away gooks out in the bush?"
"Consider the question that he and I were forced to confront on that day in a jungle clearing," Mahedy writes. "How is it that a Christian can, with a clear conscience, spend a year in a war zone killing people and yet place his soul in jeopardy by spending a few minutes with a prostitute? If the New Testament prohibitions of sexual misconduct are to be stringently interpreted, why, then, are Jesus' injunctions against violence not binding in the same way? In other words, what does the commandment ‘Thou shalt not kill' really mean?"
Military chaplains, a majority of whom are evangelical Christians, defend the life of the unborn, tout America as a Christian nation and eagerly bless the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as holy crusades. The hollowness of their morality, the staggering disconnect between the values they claim to promote, is ripped open in war.
There is a difference between killing someone who is trying to kill you and taking the life of someone who does not have the power to harm you. The first is killing. The second is murder. But in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, where the enemy is elusive and rarely seen, murder occurs far more often than killing. Families are massacred in airstrikes. Children are gunned down in blistering suppressing fire laid down in neighborhoods after an improvised explosive device goes off near a convoy. Artillery shells obliterate homes. And no one stops to look. The dead and maimed are left behind.
The utter failure of nearly all our religious institutions-whose texts are unequivocal about murder-to address the essence of war has rendered them useless. These institutions have little or nothing to say in wartime because the god they worship is a false god, one that promises victory to those who obey the law and believe in the manifest destiny of the nation.
We all have the capacity to commit evil. It takes little to unleash it. For those of us who have been to war this is the awful knowledge that is hardest to digest, the knowledge that the line between the victims and the victimizers is razor-thin, that human beings find a perverse delight in destruction and death, and that few can resist the pull. At best, most of us become silent accomplices.
Wars may have to be fought to ensure survival, but they are always tragic. They always bring to the surface the worst elements of any society, those who have a penchant for violence and a lust for absolute power. They turn the moral order upside down. It was the criminal class that first organized the defense of Sarajevo. When these goons were not manning roadblocks to hold off the besieging Bosnian Serb army they were looting, raping and killing the Serb residents in the city. And those politicians who speak of war as an instrument of power, those who wage war but do not know its reality, those powerful statesmen-the Henry Kissingers, Robert McNamaras, Donald Rumsfelds, the Dick Cheneys-those who treat war as part of the great game of nations, are as amoral as the religious stooges who assist them. And when the wars are over what they have to say to us in their thick memoirs about war is also hollow, vacant and useless.
"In theological terms, war is sin," writes Mahedy. "This has nothing to do with whether a particular war is justified or whether isolated incidents in a soldier's war were right or wrong. The point is that war as a human enterprise is a matter of sin. It is a form of hatred for one's fellow human beings. It produces alienation from others and nihilism, and it ultimately represents a turning away from God."
The young soldiers and Marines do not plan or organize the war. They do not seek to justify it or explain its causes. They are taught to believe. The symbols of the nation and religion are interwoven. The will of God becomes the will of the nation. This trust is forever shattered for many in war. Soldiers in combat see the myth used to send them to war implode. They see that war is not clean or neat or noble, but venal and frightening. They see into war's essence, which is death.
War is always about betrayal. It is about betrayal of the young by the old, of cynics by idealists, and of soldiers and Marines by politicians. Society's institutions, including our religious institutions, which mold us into compliant citizens, are unmasked. This betrayal is so deep that many never find their way back to faith in the nation or in any god. They nurse a self-destructive anger and resentment, understandable and justified, but also crippling. Ask a combat veteran struggling to piece his or her life together about God and watch the raw vitriol and pain pour out. They have seen into the corrupt heart of America, into the emptiness of its most sacred institutions, into our staggering hypocrisy, and those of us who refuse to heed their words become complicit in the evil they denounce.
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Show AllThis is why we need a warrior class, they will be trained to be amoral, to follow orders to kill or be killed , never to be reintergrated into decent society, provided with comfort women or young boys and used until they die in the service of this or that "nobel" cause...-
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In The Name Of God~
in the name of god you kill
in the name of your god
in the name of god you conquered
in the name of your god
all religion should be wiped out
so that people may just live
what divides us is an illusion
made up by men in their confusion
in the name of god you kill
in the name of your god
in the name of god you conquered
in the name of your god
in the name of god you hate
in the name of your god
in the name of god you boast
in the name of your god
spoke of love no one would listen
seems everyone's trying to prove something
starting over may be the best thing
so stop the bombs and let's begin
cause this war no one can win
and it seems I'll never learn
oh this war no one can win
well it seems I'll never learn
in the name of god you kill
in the name of your god
in the name of god you conquered
in the name of your god
in the name of god
in the name of your god
all religion should be wiped out
save the people stand and live
what divides us is an illusion
made up by men in their confusion
in the name of god you kill
in the name of your god
in the name of god you conquered
in the name of your god
in the name of god you boast
in the name of your god
in the name of god you hate
in the name of your god
in the name of your god why do you kill?
why do you hate?
in the name of god
in the name of god
in the name of god
-Ziggy Marley, Dragonfly
For what it's worth,
The Qur'an specifically prohibits fighting(war) except in self defense, when your house and home are threatened - then it s your duty to fight - those who attack you to oppress you and try to take away your religion.
There are specific prohibitions against harming innocents and damaging buildings, crops, trees, domestic animals - in other words 'collateral damage' is forbidden in the Qur'an which makes it a sin!!!
Also when aggression ends, the Qur'an says "And if they incline toward peace, then seek you peace, also. And place your trust in God, for God hears and knows all things."(Qur'an, 8:61)In other words, if aggression ends, then there is no longer justification for war and all hostilities should end.
In another verse the Qur'an advocates peaceful co-existence and makes it a duty to treat those who have not harmed or attacked you with love and respect. In this translation, the words are 'kindness and equity', but in the original Arabic the word means love and respect and is the same word used to tell you how to treat your parents. "God does not forbid you to be kind and generous to those who have neither made war on your religion or driven you from your homes, God loves the equitable"(Qur'an, 60:8)
As I said, for what its worth. I thought it could be of value to make people aware of the values held by those we have declared to be our enemies, the 99% who hold the Qur'an as sacred and try to live by it.
Thank you Comudgion99 for lighting a candle in this darkness.
War is not "sin." War is a human social action, and to control and subdue war we do not need this antediluvian concept of individual "sin" that Pastor Hedges keeps whipping up his acolytes here with, but serious restraint upon human social practice.
Religion has been bound up with nationalism to produce militarism, and if we keep the focus on the lowly soldier"s "sin" and our "complicity," which I reject, we never appreciate how elite structure operates, and our lowly atomized opposition to it. We need more "nihilism," which is the concept that people are of full of self-ennobling bullshit, of the kind that even well-meaning Common Dreamers seem to float on.
Want to stop war? Become a nihilist. That way you'll never "believe" in a cause worth killing fellow humans for, short of stopping a bullet aimed at your head.
....and in the beginning when God gave to each to take for themselves only what responsibility was theirs......who among us took more than their own share?
America has the most powerful , modern ,and efficient Military the world has known in its human history.
We know this not because we have conquered continents and built huge empires over hundreds if years, but because we if we wanted to too, we could rain down destruction and devastation on any country we choose with the precision of a master surgeon.
And that's the true power of our military forces, not door to door urban warfare police actions and nation building.
If attacked , America can defend itself and our way of life.
That said, why have we allowed right wing crusaders to take control of our military and special law enforcement agencies to wage war on our criminal enemy's and our constitutional freedoms?
Why has diplomacy not been used to garner assistance and build allies globally to hunt down , capture or kill criminal organizations that this new wave neocon group call terrorists?
If we had not locked down our country and allowed
patients, intelligence work and diplomacy world wide to gain a powerful foothold on this criminal network quietly through covert special law enforcement operations, we could have taken 3-5 years and we could have infiltrated this network of criminals and brought their house down by cutting off their financial and weapons infrastructure.
But that does not make the military industrial complex and companies like Haliburton money.
That does not put the country in a state of fear and allow these right wing crusading neocons the ability to hijack our country and circumvent the constitution.
Call it exactly what it is, a con game where a hand full of corporations,politicians, banks and the super rich used 9/11 to gut Americas economy in a move to spread democracy and Christianity in the middle east in a crusading war.
A war where we went in and destroyed a country's infrastructure so we could award contracts to special few corporations for reconstruction.
A country whose only value to us is the fact they have the fourth largest oil reserves in the world.
Over 5000 Americans dead, over 600000 Iraqs dead, 4 trillion dollars in debt, and now 10 times as many enemy's who want revenge.
If these right wing fake Christian lunatics had used the words of Jesus, to turn the other cheek , or love your enemy, and had given real thought to what those words really meant, we could have had a much different game plan in action today in the fight to capture these radical criminals.
But , the state we are in today is exactly what these constitutional mutineers wanted.
And the high price is paid for by our brave soldiers who do what they are told.
I SUPPORT THE TROOPS, I do it by protesting the wars every week with peace activists.
End the wars and bring our troops home. Thats how I support the troops.
I know that they don't think I am anti-American for supporting them that way, because I ask veterans every chance I get.
P.S
A special shout out to the spy network gang stalking torture freaks who have tried for 2.5 years to drive me crazy and ruin my life, I forgive you.
bornfreemen,
"why have we allowed right wing crusaders to take control of our military and special law enforcement agencies to wage war on our criminal enemy's and our constitutional freedoms?"
maybe ? GREED
no blood for oil...
these loonies believe they can murder anyone in their path as they pursue their treasure, anyone's treasure. it's their god given right - but i recall...
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's
no blood sacrifices for the false sanctity of corporate profits.
no blood for oil...
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ps - if the crazies start following you again, i suggest a new tactic. car stalking you at the coffeeshop - walk up to the car, smile offer to buy them a cup of coffee and very sincerely tell them jesus loves them (for all you know it is the truth - who cares).
confront your enemies w/ a sense of humor. but understand that these same people will send you to fema camps on cattle cars at some point in the future. there are brainwashed people in america, whether you perceive them as your enemy is another question. thank you for your posts....
good luck.
...peace...
Sioux Rose
BORN FREE MAN: All too true, and it's also indicative of "Mars rules."
Bornfreeman: Thank you for such an excellent assessment on the insanity of our times. One of the best postings I have read recently on CD.
"just war" is just that.
Hedges has confused me. Sure, Jesus was clearly a pacifist, but what does Jesus have to do with Christianity? With few exceptions, about as much as Abraham Lincoln has to do with the Town Car.
; - )
This being human is a guest house.
Every morning a new arrival.
A joy, a depression, a meanness,
some momentary awareness comes
as an unexpected visitor.
Welcome and entertain them all!
Even if they're a crowd of sorrows,
who violently sweep your house
empty of its furniture,
still, treat each guest honorably.
He may be clearing you out
for some new delight.
The dark thought, the shame, the malice,
meet them at the door laughing,
and invite them in.
Be grateful for whoever comes,
because each has been sent
as a guide from beyond.
The Guest House ~ Rumi (13th century Afghan poet)
I don't mean to be glib: but the soldiers healing begins here.
Thank you for that, UBREW. I had never read that one before.
Well, thanks for reading it.
What brought me to it is I'm listening to a song, 'All Rise' by Blame Sally, which was inspired by that poem. Both poem and song are GREAT. Check out out:
http://blamesally.bandcamp.com/track/all-rise
Sioux Rose
UBREW: I like this post and many that you have contributed to this forum.
This past weekend I had two interesting women stay at my home. They conduct workshops in places like Hawaii where they bring people to peaceful waters to spend time with dolphin. It's part of a healing modality. These women reminded me that in America no one is allowed to feel. A friend of mine took her husband to a psychologist and the therapist offered a variety of scenarios to try to get the reluctant spouse to own disowned feelings. The ONLY one he could identify with was anger, and there's SO much of that in America. I believe this is why shows like "Cops" or "Survivor" or "24" which focus on someone else suffering or getting busted, helps viewers to momentarily defuse their own anger.
The healers told me that Americans don't feel, what they instead are instructed to do is think the right thoughts, think in a way that produces tangible rewards. I see this whole anesthetizing of feelings (via the use of anti-depressant drugs, alcohol, other addictions) as profoundly related to why this nation can be so cruel in policies like aggressive war, incarcerating over 2 million, advocating FOR torture, and loving guns. I think the US is a sick place, and some kind of therapeutic adjustment is inevitable, if only to save other nations from the psychopathic warrior behavior of our homespun beast.
"...in America no one is allowed to feel."
If one wants to plug energy leaks try,
"In America very few are encouraged to feel."
Cool. I read your post the other day about lying on a midnight Gulf-Coast dock while a porpoise serenaded you from below: AWESOME!
It reminded me of my youth. I grew up in Hawaii, and we used to surf 'dawn patrol' to beat the crowds. This meant we were on the water at 5am, before the sun came up. One morning, sitting out there, reef-side, half-a-mile from the beach, just as the sun came up and the ocean was still pink, the ocean erupted right in front of me: a school of dolphin broke surface and greeted the new day. It was scary at first, then exhilarating! There was no reason to their action: just joy! We need to get back to the sense of expansiveness that they live with everyday and that our children still feel.
Speaking of TV shows, you should mention "CSI". Its a great show, but I was fascinated from the start that, of the many autopsies performed on the show, the actual one is an autopsy of the American dream. I think, subconsciously, everyone knows this, and that is why they find it so fascinating. We are fascinated by the ability to peer into the corpse of the American dream, and find there only evidence of something gone wrong, NOT of a tragedy worthy of tears, because while we still recognize 'wrong', we don't recognize 'tears', anymore.
Sioux Rose
UBREW: I have had a number of magical dolphin encounters, and my first script is about them. I'm glad you had that GIFT on your pre-dawn "surf patrol."
Before I was able to secure the loan for my present modest little country place, I shared the home of a friend. She loved CSI but I did not. I find the crime scenes gruesome and it scares me that people are beginning to like to stare at these things. Do you happen to remember that a display (promoted as art) consisting of slices of a dead cow, I believe it was something to do with mad cow disease, became the thing so many crowds went to see in London?
I visit NYC usually once a year and wait on line for two-fers to see a Broadway Show. My college roommate works 9-5 so it was MY task to secure the discount tickets for a show. In other words she trusted me. She moved to NY right out of college whereas I traveled and resided in many exotic locations. She often wrote to tell me how much she learned from my exposing her to foreign films in college. She had reason to trust my judgment. Well, the New York Times had a gigantic full page ad for a new show and truthfully I didn't really know what it was about.
There we were seated in the Broadway theater, falling under the spell of that "magic" of Broadway when the stage lights open to a police interrogation scene made very real down to the 2 severed fingers as "evidence."
By intermission I looked at my shocked roommate and offered to pay for her ticket. I was disgusted with the content before us, felt utterly betrayed by the rave reviews for this voyeuristic look at the work (and mind) of a serial killer. THAT was made into high art. Should I be surprised when the network calling itself "Arts and Entertainment" did redundant shows featuring a modern Neanderthal gorilla, "Dawg the Bounty Hunter"? As I have said too many times in this forum, U.S. culture IS a sewer and I would not be surprised if someone could package and market the shit from celebrties at a profit!
I am not fascinated with looking at any corpse, including that of the American dream. I am personally more interested in helping to fashion what would make for a Renaissance, and surge of Light into these very definite dark ages.
Those who are guiltiest of the sin of war hide behind outrage toward it's socially agreed upon face; "An armed conflict openly carried on between nations or states or between different parties in the same state."
But the faces of war are many and at it's most basic it is any act or state of hostility.
Who among us is in no act or state of hostility?
Who of us is not a sinner?
I believe when we really understand the nature of war, and see that it is our nature, we will begin the wonderful and daunting journey of changing our unnatural state which is currently one at war, and return to the nature of peace.
This inner work can be done by each of us and until we have accomplished that, we do nothing but sit and view the world through our denial and point our fingers toward the only war we see and feel we must defy, one outside of us, the one beyond our control.
I love Chris Hedges title, “War is sin”. Have we ever viewed it that way until recently? Is the greed of financial capitalism a sin? It is beginning to be viewed that way. What is happening?
To answer that question, I would like to believe that Christianity is maturing. Maybe we have the sixties to thank for that, making illicit love to mock the sins of the flesh that Christianity used so well to control versus the unacknowledged but far greater sins of institutional power, war, empire and the exploitation of the weak by the powerful.
To me, this seems to be part of a Christian spiritual awakening, now recognizing after 2,000 years that Christ was primarily preaching against the sins of institutions, not sins of the flesh. Rather than pointing the finger towards personal sin, Christianity today needs to critique the sins of institutional capitalism as well as the sins of institutional religion.
Activist Christians like Chris Hedges, Kathy Kelly, Joan Chittister, Jim Wallis, John Dear, Richard Rohr, Louie Vitali, and David Korten are leading the way for what I hope is maturing of Christianity.
Such maturity would be time overdue!
War is about protecting the interests of the rich, plain and simple. Those who benefit from war are those who control resources, and those who manufacture arms. It is the worst kind of sin.
It always troubles me to hear the glorification of those in the military. On Memorial day Obama said our fighters are the best this country has to offer.
Not that I think soldiers are any worse than the rest of us. They are us. And I feel guilty.
Love the Krishnamuti quote. Thanks.
Poverty is the worst form of violence. - Gandhi
Yes, war is about money. Capitalism is based on war. The major export of the USA is death. Weapons manufacturers are laughing all the way to the bank while we debate the virtue and evil of a 'just' war.
One famous soldier at the beginning of the Gulf war said that in war some people die, and some people get rich. Gen Smedley Butler said the same thing more than 50 years ago.
Even now, after the deaths of thousands of Iraqi civilians - many of them children- the so-called 'peace people' refuse to call a baby killer, 'a baby killer'....a nation-wide state of denial in a psychotic nation.
CH has a gift for making me wanna cry and scream in anger simultaneously.
If war is sin, then what do we call it when one nation tells dozens of lies thousands of times in order to trick the populace into supporting the invasion of a sovereign nation which poses no threat and results in the murder and maiming of millions of innocents?
Oh, right: 911. Forgot.
Excellent article Chris, but war is about profit.
Profound gratitude for your words, Chris Hedges.
They are true sanity against a backdrop of total insanity, which we must find ways to withdraw from and not participate.
Love and blessings to all of our "contemporary prophets," the veterans, with eyes wide open because they know, speaking the truth as only they can.
May they be heard and the thick curtains of denial fall.
Thank you.
/cm
IT IS NO MEASURE OF GOOD HEALTH TO BE WELL-ADJUSTED TO A PROFOUNDLY SICK SOCIETY--Krishnamurti
I had the great fortune a few years ago to attend a study group looking at Father Thomas Keating's work on human consciousness through history. Raised Catholic, but alienated by the superficiality of church experiences in adolescence, I've been fascinated by the development of liberation theology and the commonalities between religious traditions in regards to moral precepts around such things as war and poverty, which Keating (now in his 80's and a living treasure trove of spiritual insight and maturity)has worked tirelessly for decades to keep a vibrant part of dialogue regarding the Christian ethic. Mr.Hedge's article here articulates very well the dilemma of our times in regards to war and power-abuse. All the world's major spiritual traditions include within their precepts the admonition to refrain from killing/violence. Here in the US a distorted form of "Christianity" has twisted the teachings of Jesus to justify war and enmity, when in essence, Jesus died as a result of his daring to denounce Roman oppression and to advocate for the liberation of the oppressed, NOT (as the highly abstractified fantasy-realm of the spiritually dissociative would declare)"to save us from our sins" via the magic alchemy of a communion ceremony or adhering to sanctimonious ritual, while continuing with self-centered living unabated, turning a blind eye to violence done in our name halfway across the globe.
Thank you for your words of sanity which surely must come as a healing balm to vets attempting to adjust to a profoundly sick society.
Sioux Rose
MATAGANCITA: Excellent post.
We had an interesting debate on CD going about 2 weeks ago on how, when, where, and why killing became murder. I believe it was in relation to another piece by Hedges.
Hedges says, "Those who make war work overtime to reduce love to smut." This line reminds me of points I related in this forum linking the insanely profligate "consumption" of very vile and violent pornography with a growing empathy deficit. I would not rule out that the lates depraved "entertainment cues" have been purposely designed to dehumanize persons, and this conditioning is especially useful when it comes to torture (on the part of those perpetrating it and/or a society that permits it).
Hedges also says, "These institutions have little or nothing to say in wartime because the god they worship is a false one."
So many people have been seduced by the beautiful rituals that various religions offer, but their teachings all emerged from a highly patriarchal context, one that ensued soon after the fall of Rome, its warrior cult and bloody arena still part of mass programming. The God of patriarchal religions is one that has attributes of Mars (warrior) combined with Saturn/Chronos (the stern father/father time). One reason so many countenance the massive gulf between "thou shalt not kill" and religions clammoring FOR war, is that this Mars imprint has been so long established that it is taken for the deity by far too many. Patriarchal religions rely upon obedience and push authoritarian beliefs, therefore only those with sufficient inner strength dare to challenge the "official covenants" and related mores. Where the most vehement advocates of the 3 foremost patriarchal religions have led us speaks for itself. It is time to recognize the greater wingspan of Divine presence as expressed through 12 quintessential paths and the lessons/motivations attributable to each one.
One size (flawed human conception of God) does not fit or speak for all!
Siouxrose,
thank you, good post.
"One reason so many countenance the massive gulf between "thou shalt not kill" and religions clammoring FOR war, is that this Mars imprint has been so long established that it is taken for the deity by far too many. Patriarchal religions rely upon obedience and push authoritarian beliefs, therefore only those with sufficient inner strength dare to challenge the "official covenants" and related mores"
YES!!!
it's why the romans chose christianity, numerous mystery cults were present in rome at the beginning of the first millennium. (elaine pagels). the romans expropriated the jewish/christian god (along w/ other useful tools like platonic thinking) allowing the state to use a dead martyr as a mechanism of social control.
christianity has been effectively used for that purpose for the past 1700 years. submit to our will or you will be ostracized, tortured, murdered, made a negative example of, annihilated.
the millions upon millions of unnamed, unrecorded victims of this ideological crusade disappear from history. (gnostics, cathars, indigenous people on every habitable continent). and as the people and their cultures vanish, the nuances and new unique visions those groups held for millennium, for future generations, are lost.
our incredibly diverse cultural history is reduced to ashes, devotion to a single master. the god in the sky - who only speaks to humanity through authorized channels also demands blood sacrifices on the altar.
that god in the sky has raped and murdered the eternal mother and is now gleefully dancing on her grave in anticipation of global nuclear war, which will transform his spiritual warriors into celestial demons free to travel the universe in space and time to impose his/it's will ad infinitum.
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on a lighter note, i listened to 2 recent interviews by bob mcchesney i thought you would enjoy.
http://will.illinois.edu/mediamatters/
1. Sunday, May 17, 2009 Chris Hedges, columnist for Truthdig
2. Sunday, May 31, 2009 Noam Chomsky, prominent linguist and political activist
both interviews are an hour long and are accessible through a dial up connection . i enjoy both hedges' and chomsky's writing, i also enjoy the natural give and take banter of a good interview (like goodman, moyers or mcchesney), another way to absorb the information.
...peace...
Sioux Rose
IOWA: Thank you for adding so much to the points I raised in my post, and for remembering that I have dial-up! Right now I am in a time crunch (a lot of work has piled up), but I will try to get to at least one of the interviews. Blessings to you.
a Brilliant piece by Hedges once again...
He gets to the heart of the question...
The why and the wherewithall that sets our ideological framework...
It is the belief that creates the thoughts that speaks the words that make the actions...
Hedges eloquently articulates the fundamental flaws in the core beliefs of religious institutions...
Bravo...!
A thoughtful, insightful essay!
It's impossible to keep up with who's been banned here, but I'm (pleasantly) surprised that so far, none of the recent trollish types have turned up to defend the GOOD things about war.
· Yr Obd't Servant
YOS: actually I'm a little disappointed; where will you and I and others get our daily ration of troll-meat? I ain't exactly a vegetarian, you know!
Sioux Rose
JERRY: Please don't summon them back! Too often I found myself the lion in the ring with a circle of attackers. It wastes energy I don't have to spare!
Excellent read, and it explains why I believe so passionately in Just War. To me, a war is just only if it meets either of the following criteria:
(a) A war of national defense against a foreign invader, or
(b) A war of national liberation against either a foreign occupying force or a home-grown despot.
Any other war, no matter how it's justified by the State, is unjust.
Good definition of a Just War. But now that the USA is populated by human beings from all reaches and cultures of the Planet the term "foreign invader", in strict humanitarian terms, is now null and void - war carried out in it's current form and veiled reasoning's is a crime against humanity - brothers and sisters destroying, while fighting over, the blessings of their gift of life with Earth.
Now: how about helping me with a good definition of a Just Peace?
USans are not required to understand the difference between a just and an unjust war. They are only required to understand where to buy their gasoline.
In my view we have an occupying force; it is called the duopoly. When politics morphed into an arm of mega corporations, we lost our freedoms.
wow. some serious truth-telling there. amen, brother.
part of the problem w/the returning vet is the complete unreality of our pop culture. what do brittany, liposuction, and the sex scandal du jour mean after being in combat? anesthetize and stupefy the population, but the vet sees thru it.
to continue w/the obvious, a major problem in all our decision-making in this country is that the political class, certainly w., clinton, obama, etc., have no consequences from anything they do. there is nothing that could possibly even effect obama himself from his own decisions (short of nuclear war or eco-collapse or something like that). true, more or less, for all of our elite. it is all a Great Game.
our aristos are total sociopaths. (just look at the pseudo-controversy over sotomayer and "empathy".) unfortunately, they've had too much success in making much of the country in their image.
Chris Hedges' courageous writings really tell it like it is.
In my 11th grade theology class (Catholic high school), I remember the sister talking about the nature of God. At the time, so much went over my head, but as I grew older I began to understand more deeply. God is Truth. God is Love. God is All Good. God is All Giving.
So, if God is Truth, then the myths and lies Hedges talks about are against God. Yet within our religious houses, we most often fail to dig that deeply, and thus make our "worship" more of a feel-good experience, and a way to keep bodies in the pews which translates into more money for the perpetuation of the big myth.
Some theologians define sin as selfishness. War is the sin that reflects the selfishness and arrogance of societies that have bought hook-line-and-sinker into the myth of their own greatness.
truejusticematters.blogspot.com
As a Vietnam veteran, it should be evident that the true heroes of this country are the ones who refuse to participate in America's illegal and immoral wars. As a button that I wear accurately notes:
"Draft the Rich-It's Their War[s]"
Yeah, if we could only draft the rich including every son and daughter of every Senator and House rep.
Mr. Osbourne, not noted for his intelligence got it right on this one:
"...Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor..."
"War Pigs" Black Sabbath
This entire song as well as the Dylan Classic "Masters of War" pretty much cover it as well.
"It aint me, it aint me, I'm no Senator's Son, I'm no fortunate one"
As a fellow metal head, thank you for the Sabbath reference. However, I should also point out that Ozzy never wrote anything beyond his own vocal melodies for Sabbath. Tony Iommi wrote all the music, and Geezer Butler wrote all the lyrics. There is one exception to this (where Ozzy contributed lyrics), but I can't think of the name of the song at the moment . . . but it wasn't one of their more famous ones.
Rock on!
thanks, I should have known Iommi wrote that. I also like Rage Against the Machine lyrics.
Does anyone know about the Sept. 29 '06 torture immunity bill?
glenn ford: really an important question to be raising right now. The bill you asked about was the Military Commissions Act which, among many other atrocities, denied habeas corpus rights to terrorism detainees. After much dithering in federal courts about the Act's constitutionality, the court on June 13, 2008 declared the act un-constitutional. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/washington/12cnd-gitmo.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
The vote as usual on that divided court was a razor-thin "liberal" majority of 5-4 with David Souter, the now-retiring Justice, voting with the majority. So wouldn't you just think it might occur to someone concerned with the survival of our Constitution where a new nominee to replace Souter might come down on that issue? Would she go with the other 4 "liberals" or would she be a "pragmatist" Judge as Obama says she will be and decide that, as a practical matter, the President must have the power to put aside Bill of Rights protections when he in his unchallengable judgment should deem this as pragmatically necessary to protect the country from terrorism? I'm not saying whether I think she would fall on either one or the other side of this divide. However, after a presidential election in which we were repeatedly told we HAD to elect a Democrat to protect the republic against a Republican-appointed Court, shouldn't SOMEONE be taking the tinest bit of interest in whether Sotomayor would be one of the 5 or one of the 4 on issues similar to those involved in the Military Commissions act?
J.D. Rose 1:24 -------- Thanks, So the whole sept.29 '06 bill was declared unconstitutional and it did have a provision that gave anyone who tortured or ordered torture immunity? The immunity part I learned from PBS's "Torturing Democracy" but that is the only reference I found to immunity.
So if the whole bill was declared unconstitutional then there is no immunity,but I would think the courts would examine each issue in the bill separately.
So there could be an immunity law standing now? I could not google anything up on this. Do you know more? Thanks
glenn ford, you've pushed beyond my current knowledge on the subject. In the link I gave you only the habeas corpus aspect of the law was overturned, not the torture immunity of the original law, which I presume was overturned in another case; why else would Obama have needed to immunize people from past crimes? (But I don't know, maybe someone else does.) For purposes of my agenda (not necessarily yours), the habeas corpus thing was sufficient unto the day of my purposes, since the decision carried the 5-4 vote with Souter in the majority, raising in a serious way the issue of the importance of her stance on constitutional issues of Ms. Sona Sotomayor.
"God is always on the side of the Good and he will always punish the wicked and evildoer." So says the Congressman in Charlie Wison's War. He says it with the naivete that of course we, (the U.S.A.) are on the side of the good and the enemy on the side of evil. The film maker Mike Nichols is more circumspect about who is on which side. I think that if there is any truth to the Congressman's sentiment it is we who should fear God's wrath--and I think that sooner or later we will.
Sioux Rose
TAMMONS: I recently viewed "Charlie Wilson's War" for the first time and what struck me was that the Christian contingent around Wilsom (primarily that powerful female love interest of his) really pushed the idea that God would punish the wicked. At that time, seeing the Soviets attack villages the idea that the U.S. could stop that carnage carried a semblance of goodness; but now as the U.S. replaces the Soviets in BEING the AGGRESSOR, guess where that wickedness will boomerang?
I want to second what Native Son is saying. I'm sure you both have a wide audience. Personally, I don't have time nor interest to read every comment nor every article on CD, not by a long shot. But whenever I see your names, I pause and read what you have to say. America needs more than luck, it needs wisdom and guidance. Aho.
Sioux Rose
MOONDOGGY: It's a marvelous night for a moon dance... Mercury is now direct, next full moon will be in Sag, the sign of the shaman (and due to its inherent duality, also that of the lawmaker, Zeus in a suit rather than morphing into his preferred form as Pan, dancing nakedly in the wilds). What a flux the past few weeks have been! Even the compass can't find true north, things have departed from the prior axes. Seldom has the need to hold to one's center been more important!
I'm spending all my time in the garden completely immersing and dedicating myself to creating my most awesome garden yet. I do little hikes twice a day just to get out of my creation into JAH creation. Trying to stay focused on my mission, making it a better world from right here.
Tonight we are getting ready to step into our hippy hot tub for a soak in sun and wood heated water in the fading northern twilight. The tub has a big muslin tea bag filled with oatstraw, comfrey, sage, fresh dandelion flower and sea salt. A good place to hold ones center under the rising moon, wouldn't you say?
I will embody the prayer for a more peaceful, compassionate and fun-filled world. Gotta have fun. People have gotten too serious and that's why the world seems like no fun any more. We need to keep the child alive and go play in the mud.
Mercury went direct! Oh, far out! Zeus in a suit? No way! Hang on and stay grounded! Polar shift here we come...
Hey, Cuz.
You have such a wide audience for your wise words, share this observation as well.
Cong. Wilson and Reagan in reality gave birth to the "Taliban" when he and the Reagan Admin funded the "Freedom Fighters"--who later became the 'Taliban" and are using many of the same weapons given to them by the Americans--then--against the Americans---now. In fact, 'Ronnie and Nancy' had a few of the "elders' over to a "function' and they wore their Grey Beards colored with Henna, and their robes and turbans and the media and the public 'ate it up with spoons'.
Now they are digging the "graves" of thier 'war dead' with the same 'spoons'--------
Ya just gotta pity those poor Americans----how much more stupid can they get and still be able to function?
Good Luck America, you really need it.
Sioux Rose
DEAR CUZ,
I would love to join you seated before a fire with a few from this forum and as we watch day turn to night, the stars become the infinite cover, allow a flow of words and thoughts thus inspired to dance and interact among us. We invite Wisdom to happen in our midst accompanied by its partner, Grace. It would seem that in times as littered in depraved indifference (to what matters most)as our own, that the Light would work hardest to pierce the abundant darkness. Translation? WE are channels of that light because we are open, willing agents of the necessary catharsis that would save other species from our kind, and perhaps manage to secure a future for enough human survivors to learn from our examples, and start anew on this fabulous organic template offered to the 2-leggeds for their evolutionary growth.
Finally it is said, thankyou Mr. Hedges.
More Viet vets have committed suicide than died in the war.
I am a Canadian and would like to think that i am a Christian. However, what the church has done in the name of God over the centuries is the greatest hypocricy imaginable. Thank you Chris for stating the truth and setting the record straight about the 'evil' of war and the great sin of killing and being complicit in the murder, which most Americans are. By the way most Canadians are as well because our federal government has and continues to support America's terrorist wars ( as opposed to America's "war on terror").
I have been "anti-war" in my sentiments for a long time, but my full fury against the "sin" of it arose only with the very recent Memorial Day "celebrations" when once again all the clueless religious and civic authorities trotted out the theme of "sacrifice" of our troops to promote the benefit of us all. For the first time I felt truly guilty of being the recipient of that "benefit" at the cost of the lives and the sanity of both "our" troops and the enemy. Chris Hedges' Jeremiad (a term I use with full awareness of its Obama-connection) is of a piece with the Winter Soldier utterings of those of our troops who have had the prophetic wisdom and courage to speak the truth to the power of our national myths. That must have been a hell of a divinity school that Chris attended.
As a Vietnam-era vet (I was in the Army but did not go over), I have always hated the whole soldier sentimentalizing attitude toward "the troops". The country thanks them, praises them for their "service," yet cuts back or eliminate services needed to help them survive after serving. It's not just now. After World War I, the vets struggled to get bonuses promised to them. Maybe World War II vets were treated fairly well (GI BIll and all), but Vietnam and now mid-east veterans are getting short shrift.
When I was in the Army I used to seek out those who were just back from Nam, ply them with drinks, and listen to their stories. The full horror story of the Vietnam war, the awful things "our boys" did and had to do, has never been fully told.
As a Viet Vet, nicely stated. It honestly reflects the context of my experience.