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Shoot First, Ask Questions Later? Say It Ain't So, Mr. President.
Yesterday's announcement by the White House that the president was ordering 17,000 more US troops into Afghanistan was particularly troubling to many of us who - unlike Mr. Limbaugh and his followers on Capitol Hill - actually want President Obama to succeed.
As a candidate, President Obama offered - and American's overwhelming chose - "new thinking" on foreign policy and national security. We had all seen the devastating results of a "Bring 'em on" foreign policy where the hole dug by "shock and awe" militarism got progressively deeper and the incessant demand from Pentagon officials for yet more troops to deal with the consequences became increasingly greater. President Bush was always ready to meet these demands. The result was a weakened America, a broken military and more than a trillion dollars - and counting - added to the national debt.
We were relieved when the new president announced during his first week in office that he was ordering a comprehensive review of an obviously failed US policy in Afghanistan. Things had steadily gone from bad to worse there. What was desperately needed was a fundamental course correction guided by a healthy dose of "new thinking".
New thinking was not in evidence yesterday when the White House announced that it was ordering 17,000 more US troops into harms way in Afghanistan even though it's comprehensive review would not be completed for several more weeks.
Military commanders apparently warned that it would be too risky not to deploy troops now out of fear that they would not be in place by the anticipated spike in fighting this spring. Nothing surprising here - when you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Military commanders have a point of view born out of their training and orientation.
But, new thinking requires a broader view than what can be seen from a military lens. It begins with considering the risk that a military escalation will actually make things worse, not better.
First off, where does military escalation end? According to the Army and Marine Corps field manual, counterinsurgency operations require, at a minimum, twenty counterinsurgents per 1,000 residents. In Afghanistan, this would mean combined forces of 640,000 troops. No, I did not incorrectly add an extra zero - that is 640,000 troops. In short, even if we wanted to go down this road, we can't.
Several independent analysts have publicly warned that the presence of foreign soldiers fighting a war in Afghanistan is probably the single most important driving force in the resurgence of the Taliban. New thinking would at least consider the option of reducing, not increasing our military imprint as a means of dividing and weakening the armed opposition. At the very least, it would withhold final judgment and action until all of all options are subject to a truly comprehensive review.
The risks are too high to do anything else. As Katrina vanden Heuvel writes in The Nation:
Escalating the occupation of Afghanistan will bleed us of the resources needed for economic recovery, further destabilize Pakistan, open a rift with our European allies, and negate the positive consequences of withdrawing from Iraq on our image in the Muslim world.
We hope that this early display of shoot first, ask questions later will be an anomaly for the new administration. What the nation needs is a truly comprehensive plan for Afghanistan and the region that is fundamentally different from the approach that led us to where we now find ourselves. What we don't need is another military quagmire and an albatross around the neck of a nation and an administration that we all need to succeed.


56 Comments so far
Show Allobama said he was going to escalate the forces in afghanistan. placing holbrooke in the region is a major mistake. this is a sign to me that they will balkanize the region. the war drums for a free baluchistan will be beating very soon. we will now truly be sleeping with the devil. get out and get out while we still can. there is nothing of any significance for us to win there. we are not looking for the shadow of bin laden. instead the shadows of our government is looking for endless wars.
Paul Siemering
"Escalating the occupation of Afghanistan will bleed us of the resources needed for economic recovery, further destabilize Pakistan, open a rift with our European allies, and negate the positive consequences of withdrawing from Iraq on our image in the Muslim world."
It will also kill many more Afghans. But don't let that little detail bother you Katrina. our "image" in the Muslim world is not an image- it's what we are- marauding Muslim hating assassins. It will change only a when we stop.
"Yesterday's announcement by the White House that the president was ordering 17,000 more US troops into Afghanistan was particularly troubling to many of us who - unlike Mr. Limbaugh and his followers on Capitol Hill - actually want President Obama to succeed."
Yeah, except you don't want him to succeed in Afghanistan. In that sense you are just like Rush.
This a childish riposte,Joseph, and I think that, deep down in your heart you know it.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Palin, 2012.
And what makes you think that Palin will be any better? Ever give 3rd parties a look?
Maybe what he means is that if people keep treating Obama like he's Bush we'll wind up with Palin 2012.
I suppose what you are saying is that poeple can help to elect Palin in 2012 by voting third party.
"Maybe what he means is that if people keep treating Obama like he's Bush we'll wind up with Palin 2012."
I doubt that. Obama is already trying to out-Dubya Dubya and he's doing a swell job of it alright and then he won't realize what hit him in 2012.
"I suppose what you are saying is that poeple can help to elect Palin in 2012 by voting third party."
That is a complete myth. 3rd parties never help Republicans or Democrats get elected except for maybe 1968 and 1992 and even then Nixon would have won in 1968 and Clinton, albeit a closer race, would have won in 1992. And don't get me started in 2000. Gore couldn't carry his home state of TN or Clinton's home state of AR. Heck, Gore could have won in NH and he'd have won the electoral vote. And there are plenty of Democrats who voted for Bush who could have voted for Al Gore but Gore picked LIEberman and ran a mealy-mouthed campaign. Nader had very little effect on the election and those voters wouldn't have bothered to vote anyway had Nader not run and I wouldn't blame them. Now cut it out !
"3rd parties never help Republicans or Democrats get elected"
50 Democrats
50 Republicans
Enter third party:
1 Naderite
50 Republicans
49 Democrats
=
Republican victory! (Nader's job has been accomplished)
Your syntax is off it should read...
100 Republicrats.
Enter third party
99 Republicrats
1 naderite.
Other countries have third parties. Come now Joehope where is yoru "yes we can attitude?"
You are not fit to lick Ralph Nader's boots.
He is, in fact, far too busy constantly licking democratic boot...To waste a mind is such a tragedy....
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
i did not know palin could see dixie from her back yard in alaska.
If it ever existed,the window of opportunity for improved conditions in Afghanistan has closed.The Taliban have become the new freedom fighters trying to evict the bloody foreign occupiers who rain down bombs from above.
What have we westerners become?Do we think we can or should try to change a culture that dates back centuries?Our own model is failing badly with signs of greed,corruption,and gluttony at every turn,and yet we know best how other should live?
Decades of muzzle loaded diplomacy and hubris have clouded our vision of who and what we want to be.That is about to change.Either we decide to lower our worldwide military profile and begin to repatriate troops and bases or our deteriorating economic condition will do it for us,but with our tail between our legs.
It's our choice.
This is actually and excellent definition of why military intervention in Afghanistan, or anywhere that extremism has a foothold, will be doomed to failure.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so." Bertrand Russell
Remember, much like Vietnam, the West, or foreign interests, arbitrarily divided Afghanistan and Pakistan. The peoples in that region are basically tribal and probably don't even recognize the artificial borders that now divide them. They may well fight to get their country back someday.
Just because Muslims and Hindus decided to divide up some land to end a civil war does not mean that this is accepted by the tribal groups that previously had fought off invaders since the time of Alexander. They move back and forth as they always have, considering evading the border guards as just another nuisance.
Now, here we are with two puppet governments doing our bidding and being basically ignored, or shot at if they get to be too pesky.
And remember, somewhere in Pakistan is THE BOMB! Let's just keep pissing people off over there and maybe, someday, there will actually be a threat. Then we can nuke them and poison the rest of the world.
Come on, Mr. Obama, wake up! You are supposed to be changing course, not full speed ahead in the dark hoping the iceberg will sink.
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Santayana
The president seems determined to make wrong choices. More troops to Afghanistan is not the solution. We never should have gone over there in the first place. It's another bottomless hole for the USA to fall in. Unfortunately, many will be killed on both sides without settling ANYTHING. Is Obama truly so CLUELESS?
You have to consider whose interests Obama is representing. Bottomless holes are good business for the well-connected. Once you have a grip on that, you will see that his decisions are anything but clueless.
Just look at those he has chosen to advise him:
John Brennan, Robert Gates, General James Jones, William Lynn, Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Admiral Dennis Blair... (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11296) - Not exactly a group that inspires confidence that they want all of this to end anythime soon. The trough for the war pigs is open, 24/7.
www.oldelmtree.com
wrong; his foreign policy advisers were and are; zbig and albright. what does that tell you. hillary was part of the deal. holbrooke will prove to be a disaster.
Regardless of what one thinks about whether Obama is a humanitarian or a cold-blooded corporatist, it seems clear that this move is suicidal politically in the long run. And Obama could not possibly be so stupid that he cannot see that. So maybe, as some have speculated, he has been informed that his life will not be worth a plug nickel if he does not follow orders.
they select so we may elect. he is taking orders just like the rest of them have.
...this move is suicidal politically in the long run ...while not making this move is suicidal literally in the short run.
I really think Barack Obama is fully capable of walking and chewing Nicorette at the same time.
Obama inherited a potentially explosive, grossly deteriorating strategic military situation on the ground in the Afghan/Pakistan border regions when he was sworn in. NATO's supply lines stretch hundreds of miles, and are highly vulnerable to disruption courtesy of attack by the Taliban, regional warlords, drug traffickers, smugglers, and myriad violent criminal groups. If you feel uncomfortable right now knowing everything from bullets to blood plasma to toilet paper is being convoy trucked in to the troops courtesy of a gentlemens' agreement with an outfit like the Pakistani ISI, ponder the alternatives of getting another supply line route by snuggling up to either Iran or to Russia.
Short term military necessity and long term geopolitical reality trumps everything. With everybody predicting and hunkering down for a big upturn in battlefield violence that is expected to hit this spring (Karzai is fading and the Taliban are on a roll), those 17,000 additional American troops look more like an emergency tourniquet to stave off impending disaster than they look like a surge. Go re-read that Kipling poem about what can happen on Afghanistan's plains. General Custer should have been so lucky.
If the review ordered by President Obama comes back a few weeks or even months down the road candidly analyzing the abysmal prospects of success if there were a big escalation of the NATO troop presence in Afghanistan, such candor from the Pentagon and from the United States' own intelligence services would provide Obama precisely the political cover he would need to genuinely reverse course.
If Robert Gates, Hillary Clinton, Richard Holbrooke, Leon Panetta, and General Petraeus were to all conclude that military "success" in Afghanistan would require a million boots on the ground and a decade more of bloodshed, Obama can bring the troops back from Iraq as promised and from Afghanistan as well. He could ride out the domestic partisan backlash by focusing upon the need for damage control abroad, and a frank discussion of guns versus butter at home.
Bill from Saginaw
This will end, as it did for Britain and for the USSR, with Afghans in sole possession of their lands.
The only real 'choice' for Obama and his NATO associates is how much blood will flow between now and then.
afghanistan truly is where empires go to die. time after time, after time. this is all about a trade route. a trade route for the energy resources from around the caspian sea. a free baluchistan will be next on their agenda.
And when the American Empire dies, it will be a truly wonderful happening for the people of the world!
Tom Andrews talks about needing "a truly comprehensive plan ...that is fundamentally different" and "What was desperately needed was a fundamental course correction guided by a healthy dose of 'new thinking'."
This kind of blabbering is getting very old. How much longer will Andrews continue living in denial? The first thing he needs to realize is that Obama is not about 'new thinking'. Obama is about maintaining and managing the American Empire. What B.O. says - and what B.O. does - are two very different things.
What is needed is a giant move away from Empire. Is Obama up to this task? Of course not. He is the figurehead for the American Empire, and until Andrews and others finally wake up to this fact, we will not begin "a healthy dose of 'new thinking'."
And this 'new thinking' will not be coming from congress, the president or from the military-industrial complex. They are all committed to maintaining and managing the American Empire. This new thinking needs to come from Tom Andrews - and from the rest of us ...we the people.
Bill from Saginaw - "strategic military situation on the ground in the Afghan/Pakistan border"
I liked most of you comment but there is nothing strategic about the paki-afghan border region for the US. It is a wasteland just waiting to suck up foreign blood.
Gillibrand talked about moving troops from Iraq to Afghanistan in her 2006 campaign. It has been in the dems official play book since at least 2006.
Don't you love corrupt media outlets like the Huffington Post? They knew from the very beginning that Obama's foreign and domestic policies were going to be the exact carbon copies of Bush's, with some insignificant cosmetic differences, but supported his candidacy anyway.
Now they're pretending buyers' regret. The country, and the media, deserve who they voted for: a lying, bought-and-sold-for corporate career criminal.
OH, I wish everyone could it see, though. It's just sad how many people (progressives!) are shocked by what any person with a set of ears knew would happen.
"We hope that this early display of shoot first, ask questions later will be an anomaly for the new administration"
PEOPLE - HE CAMPAIGNED ON THIS ISSUE!!
"As president, I would deploy at least two additional brigades [or about 6,000 troops] to Afghanistan to reenforce our counterterrorism operations and support NATO's efforts against the Taliban,"
(http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=11385)
Barack Obama yesterday pledged to increase US troops in Afghanistan by a third if he becomes president, sending 10,000 more to reinforce the 33,000 already there.
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/15/barackobama.usa1)
He most certainly is "bought and sold!"
Not bragging, but many of us saw the boot-licking at Huffington Post, Daily Kos, The Nation, The Progressive, from the start of Obombya's campaign. These progressive posers are all a bunch of contemptible, bourgeois weenies - they'll get the same treatment as the neo-cons, minus the whipped cream.
Obama is a genius. He shoots first and shoots himself in both feet, not just one.
Then, when people complain that the U.S. is going down the drain financially, he can say, "Well, you wouldn't criticize a man shot in both feet when he's down, would you?"
What a great strategy. Where's my gun?
www.dangerouscreation.com
An administration official being interviewed by NPR tonite said, for certain, that Afghanistan is NOT winnable in any kind of military sense...at least they know this. He's going to be doing a lot more than just sending troops there. I just hope it works.
yes, they are going to be doing a lot more. with holbrooke in place, they are looking to balkanize the region. pakistan is a failed state. the taliban making deals will not please the west. it will intensify very quickly. spring is right around the corner.
I can only hope that Obama will use this increase to motivate warring factions to negotiate. He's implied that diplomacy will be required to resolve the crisis, so it's possible that this is a temporary phase in a well thought out plan to bring peace to Afghanistan and disengage. Only a fool would think that military victory is possible, and whatever he is, Obama's not a fool.
Why should Obama do what We the People want? All we give him is grief, accusations, demands and insults. And we don't have the collective will to punish him if he does not do our bidding.
The MIC gives him money, power, promise of a cushy lucrative jobs after his tenure, and practically anything he and his family may want. And it will defame or kill him if he does not do their bidding.
Who would you listen to?
google executive order 11110
Thanks. Here is what Wiki said:
"Some claim that Executive Order 11110 was Kennedy's attempt to reclaim from the (private) Federal Reserve the power to issue currency,[2][3] causing forces behind the Fed to orchestrate his assassination."
"ask questions later will be an anomaly for the new administration."
No, this is the S.O.P. for Mr. Obama.
This shill has his mind set on a course of action which is good for Wall Street business. War is business.
Look at this as additional proof:
President of Special Interests http://www.counterpunch.com/
Trouble at Treasury http://www.counterpunch.com/whitney02182009.html
The Oligarchs' Escape Plan http://www.counterpunch.com/hudson02172009.html
This is the "change we can believe in." And you voted for this shill, and he made you feel good about voting against your own best interests. Mr. Obama is the black Reagan.
There will be NO questions, now or later, only shooting, and death, and destruction. The change you can believe in is a bankrupt nation, economically and morally. Go ahead BO, send in the troops, fund the war machine and the banking oligarchs. The sooner this corrupt system implodes, the sooner the survivors can rebuilt an better world from whatever scraps of sanity are left.
And Mr BO, never once did I consider voting for your sorry ass, your "Hope" was "Hype" and "Yes We Can" was an empty mantra you sold to the gullible. At least I'm not disappointed, you are fulfilling my expectations perfectly.
But sadly, you are no different than most every other newly elected official who walk into their new offices only to be met by pentagon thugs who grab them where it counts and have a "private" talk.
"Welcome to the halls of empire, now shut up and do as we say."
zbig gave him that private talk a long time ago. zbig is a cofounder of the trilateral commission, and was his main foreign policy adviser. these ar ethe usual suspects behind the curtains as usual. and as usual the unsuspecting sheep say; we are shocked, shocked we tell you. no, you did not do your homework. same ol same oil.
twas a campaign promise if I recall.
Its so awful to see people like Tom Andrews, Katrina Vanden Heuval and many other progressives backing Obama. What a low blow this must be for them, when Obama increases Troops in Afghanistan. They must be freakin airheads or some kind of delusionals to actually have bought into this "change" campaign of Obama. The writing was CLEARLY on the wall before the election. Obama made many references to increasing Afghanistan troops, bombing Pakistan, and Lighting Iran on fire if need be. The guy is the same 'ol garbage. WAKE UP!!!
NOW we are stuck with another 4 years of WARS, thanks to the idiots that voted this guy into office. It does not take a genius to see who this guy represents.
THERE WERE OTHER CANDIDATES TO PICK FROM!!! Others that were not beholden to the Wall Street/Banker/Israeli camps.
These people ought to KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT!!! They are no better than the idiot Bush Backer crowds. Listen to them whine now, and we're only ONE month into the new term.
catherine
I don't think anyone was an "airhead" for believing Obama's promises. Trusting people do believe people who make definitive statements in public, promising to change things. That isn't something I'd criticize anyone for.
The criticism comes when they don't change their minds once the evidence comes in that there was a whole lotta' lying going on. IOW, the blame is on those who blindly continue to insist that Obama is trustworthy. But the greatest blame goes to Obama, not those who trusted him. And the anger of those who were betrayed is greater. [We're always angrier at people who won our trust who then betray us than we are at people we thought were liars all along -- we don't invest anything in what proven liars say.]
It's something Obama hasn't had to face yet. But wait.
why does no one but me understand the simple business aspect, the only aspect the military industrial complex is concerned with, that is dependent upon these dirty little wars being DESIGNED to be QUAGMIRES! the killers would all be out of cushy jobs if peace was achieved anywhere. obama is merely the most sophisticated corporate shill they've bought to enact their filthy agenda. and folks, your own portfolios are likely occupied by shares of war stocks. cleanse yourself. next time believe in ralph...
show me someone who doesn't understand it, especially among pro-war crowd / it yields higher return on a dollar than the wall street in the hey days and with the supply side economic; the taxpayer money its a dream comes through for the market
edweg
An empire by definition strategically shoots first, only asking questions later, if at all, when its shooting begins to ricochet.
This shows you how impossibly hard it is to be a Democratic President, especially with regard to foreign policy.
Even after two crushing Democratic electoral victories, the political discourse in the U.S. is still tilted roughly 89 degrees to the right. It's so bad, even progressives repeat right-wing talking points half the time.
Compare and contrast:
Bush II lies to Congress and the world to start an illegal war, commits innumerable war crimes during that war, botches the whole war, turns Iraq into an al Qaeda breeding ground, abuses and stresses our troops horribly, loses all our allies of consequence, causes world terrorism to fester, and commits innumerable other screw-ups beyond the imagination of God...
...and the media covers his ass every step of the way.
For Obama, as for any Democrat, it's just the opposite. He keeps his campaign promise to send more troops--and he catches hell. But of course, if he hadn't sent the troops, they'd all scream because he broke a campaign promise, or because he didn't act like a Big Tough Republican would (i.e., kill everybody in sight). It's the same biased story, no matter what happens.
Democratic Presidents are always placed in a lose-lose situation. If they don't act aggressively, they will be called wimps. If they act aggressively, they will be called war criminals who are no better than the Republicans.
I won't even discuss the right-wing smear machine, which churns out utter fabrications about the Democratic President--to be duly repeated by the media. I think the Right's tendency to lie about Democrats is essentially treasonous, but never mind.
The only comic relief are the conspiracy buffs, who pop in to assure us both parties are pawns of the international bankers. :)
I agree we must criticize Obama wherever necessary and apply pressure to influence his decisions. I'm not calling for mindless support--just noting how frustratingly rigged to the right the whole game is. Repubs are let off the hook for everything; Democrats get reamed out no matter what they do. And since Democrats love to criticize their own leaders, the Democrastic President always gets it from all sides. Argh!
The silver lining is the internet, where you can actually hear both sides of the story, and where right-wing memes get debunked within hours. Bill Clinton did not have the net helping him, so the right's lies about him were all we heard. This means most Americans will go to their graves believing the most scrofulous lies about their President. What an incredible victory for the right-wing slime machine!
With any luck, this won't happen for Obama, though it might help if people stopped eagerly repeating everything the RNC churns out.
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