It’s Not Going to Be OK
The daily bleeding of thousands of jobs will soon turn our economic crisis into a political crisis. The street protests, strikes and riots that have rattled France, Turkey, Greece, Ukraine, Russia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria and Iceland will descend on us. It is only a matter of time. And not much time. When things start to go sour, when Barack Obama is exposed as a mortal waving a sword at a tidal wave, the United States could plunge into a long period of precarious social instability.
At no period in American history has our democracy been in such peril or has the possibility of totalitarianism been as real. Our way of life is over. Our profligate consumption is finished. Our children will never have the standard of living we had. And poverty and despair will sweep across the landscape like a plague. This is the bleak future. There is nothing President Obama can do to stop it. It has been decades in the making. It cannot be undone with a trillion or two trillion dollars in bailout money. Our empire is dying. Our economy has collapsed.
How will we cope with our decline? Will we cling to the absurd dreams of a superpower and a glorious tomorrow or will we responsibly face our stark new limitations? Will we heed those who are sober and rational, those who speak of a new simplicity and humility, or will we follow the demagogues and charlatans who rise up out of the slime in moments of crisis to offer fantastic visions? Will we radically transform our system to one that protects the ordinary citizen and fosters the common good, that defies the corporate state, or will we employ the brutality and technology of our internal security and surveillance apparatus to crush all dissent? We won't have to wait long to find out.
There are a few isolated individuals who saw it coming. The political philosophers Sheldon S. Wolin, John Ralston Saul and Andrew Bacevich, as well as writers such as Noam Chomsky, Chalmers Johnson, David Korten and Naomi Klein, along with activists such as Bill McKibben and Ralph Nader, rang the alarm bells. They were largely ignored or ridiculed. Our corporate media and corporate universities proved, when we needed them most, intellectually and morally useless.
Wolin, who taught political philosophy at the University of California in Berkeley and at Princeton, in his book "Democracy Incorporated" uses the phrase inverted totalitarianism to describe our system of power. Inverted totalitarianism, unlike classical totalitarianism, does not revolve around a demagogue or charismatic leader. It finds its expression in the anonymity of the corporate state. It purports to cherish democracy, patriotism and the Constitution while cynically manipulating internal levers to subvert and thwart democratic institutions. Political candidates are elected in popular votes by citizens, but they must raise staggering amounts of corporate funds to compete. They are beholden to armies of corporate lobbyists in Washington or state capitals who write the legislation. A corporate media controls nearly everything we read, watch or hear and imposes a bland uniformity of opinion or diverts us with trivia and celebrity gossip. In classical totalitarian regimes, such as Nazi fascism or Soviet communism, economics was subordinate to politics. "Under inverted totalitarianism the reverse is true," Wolin writes. "Economics dominates politics-and with that domination comes different forms of ruthlessness."
I reached Wolin, 86, by phone at his home about 25 miles north of San Francisco. He was a bombardier in the South Pacific during World War II and went to Harvard after the war to get his doctorate. Wolin has written classics such as "Politics and Vision" and "Tocqueville Between Two Worlds." His newest book is one of the most important and prescient critiques to date of the American political system. He is also the author of a series of remarkable essays on Augustine of Hippo, Richard Hooker, David Hume, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Max Weber, Friedrich Nietzsche, Karl Marx and John Dewey. His voice, however, has faded from public awareness because, as he told me, "it is harder and harder for people like me to get a public hearing." He said that publications, such as The New York Review of Books, which often published his work a couple of decades ago, lost interest in his critiques of American capitalism, his warnings about the subversion of democratic institutions and the emergence of the corporate state. He does not hold out much hope for Obama.
"The basic systems are going to stay in place; they are too powerful to be challenged," Wolin told me when I asked him about the new Obama administration. "This is shown by the financial bailout. It does not bother with the structure at all. I don't think Obama can take on the kind of military establishment we have developed. This is not to say that I do not admire him. He is probably the most intelligent president we have had in decades. I think he is well meaning, but he inherits a system of constraints that make it very difficult to take on these major power configurations. I do not think he has the appetite for it in any ideological sense. The corporate structure is not going to be challenged. There has not been a word from him that would suggest an attempt to rethink the American imperium."
Wolin argues that a failure to dismantle our vast and overextended imperial projects, coupled with the economic collapse, is likely to result in inverted totalitarianism. He said that without "radical and drastic remedies" the response to mounting discontent and social unrest will probably lead to greater state control and repression. There will be, he warned, a huge "expansion of government power."
"Our political culture has remained unhelpful in fostering a democratic consciousness," he said. "The political system and its operatives will not be constrained by popular discontent or uprisings."
Wolin writes that in inverted totalitarianism consumer goods and a comfortable standard of living, along with a vast entertainment industry that provides spectacles and diversions, keep the citizenry politically passive. I asked if the economic collapse and the steady decline in our standard of living might not, in fact, trigger classical totalitarianism. Could widespread frustration and poverty lead the working and middle classes to place their faith in demagogues, especially those from the Christian right?
"I think that's perfectly possible," he answered. "That was the experience of the 1930s. There wasn't just FDR. There was Huey Long and Father Coughlin. There were even more extreme movements including the Klan. The extent to which those forces can be fed by the downturn and bleakness is a very real danger. It could become classical totalitarianism."
He said the widespread political passivity is dangerous. It is often exploited by demagogues who pose as saviors and offer dreams of glory and salvation. He warned that "the apoliticalness, even anti-politicalness, will be very powerful elements in taking us towards a radically dictatorial direction. It testifies to how thin the commitment to democracy is in the present circumstances. Democracy is not ascendant. It is not dominant. It is beleaguered. The extent to which young people have been drawn away from public concerns and given this extraordinary range of diversions makes it very likely they could then rally to a demagogue."
Wolin lamented that the corporate state has successfully blocked any real debate about alternative forms of power. Corporations determine who gets heard and who does not, he said. And those who critique corporate power are given no place in the national dialogue.
"In the 1930s there were all kinds of alternative understandings, from socialism to more extensive governmental involvement," he said. "There was a range of different approaches. But what I am struck by now is the narrow range within which palliatives are being modeled. We are supposed to work with the financial system. So the people who helped create this system are put in charge of the solution. There has to be some major effort to think outside the box."
"The puzzle to me is the lack of social unrest," Wolin said when I asked why we have not yet seen rioting or protests. He said he worried that popular protests will be dismissed and ignored by the corporate media. This, he said, is what happened when tens of thousands protested the war in Iraq. This will permit the state to ruthlessly suppress local protests, as happened during the Democratic and Republic conventions. Anti-war protests in the 1960s gained momentum from their ability to spread across the country, he noted. This, he said, may not happen this time. "The ways they can isolate protests and prevent it from [becoming] a contagion are formidable," he said.
"My greatest fear is that the Obama administration will achieve relatively little in terms of structural change," he added. "They may at best keep the system going. But there is a growing pessimism. Every day we hear how much longer the recession will continue. They are already talking about beyond next year. The economic difficulties are more profound than we had guessed and because of globalization more difficult to deal with. I wish the political establishment, the parties and leadership, would become more aware of the depths of the problem. They can't keep throwing money at this. They have to begin structural changes that involve a very different approach from a market economy. I don't think this will happen."
"I keep asking why and how and when this country became so conservative," he went on. "This country once prided itself on its experimentation and flexibility. It has become rigid. It is probably the most conservative of all the advanced countries."
The American left, he said, has crumbled. It sold out to a bankrupt Democratic Party, abandoned the working class and has no ability to organize. Unions are a spent force. The universities are mills for corporate employees. The press churns out info-entertainment or fatuous pundits. The left, he said, no longer has the capacity to be a counterweight to the corporate state. He said that if an extreme right gains momentum there will probably be very little organized resistance.
"The left is amorphous," he said. "I despair over the left. Left parties may be small in number in Europe but they are a coherent organization that keeps going. Here, except for Nader's efforts, we don't have that. We have a few voices here, a magazine there, and that's about it. It goes nowhere."
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Show AllSo, what are you asking us to do, Chris? Google Hemlock? Sit on a roof until all this doom happens? Or do you want us to try to talk you down?
I have read at least one of your books, admire your insights, and mostly agree with your world view (putting aside the infatuation that you, or at least the commentator you quote at length, apparently express for Ralph Nader -- no offense.) Hemlock just isn't an option for those among us who have brought children into the world or have whatever other reasons to commit to it.
I grew up during the Cold War, when for so many years we lived with the very real fear of global annihilation. Somehow, it's never happened (yet). In retrospect it seems amazing that those two nationalistic superpowers never quite went that far, but they didn't. I suspect this memory is behind many of us feeling (foolishly as you may see it) that the world will go on, or at least has a chance, and that we can at least keep up with our little efforts on its behalf.
It is easier to go to sleep than wake up. The American majority is still asleep, even after all that is happening to them, not for them.
The corporate elite are a bunch of psychopathic selfish motherfuckers, who wear nice ties and go the places of worship. Some of them are even nice people. But they still act in a selfish destructive (to society) manner because the majority let them. Some of the majority are co-opted (it is hard to be against something when your livelihood depends upon you working for the system), others don't think it is worth the fight, still others actually don't find anything intrinsically wrong with the injustices.\
I don't hold out much hope for change, and I hold no hope for fundamental change occuring under Obama until we the people light the fire under our elected officials feet.
Reading Common Dreams over the past year was depressing how many comments who were pro Obama didn't really make a stand on the issues regarding war, corporate corruption, health care. I guess it just doesn't matter.
so it goes,
Nader could have saved us. Now it is too late. The 'hopeaholics' have brought down the Empire.
I read here, a lot of people who are worried about a future we can only speculate on. There is no one hero who will be able to save us and I agree with previous posters that we need to work on a foundation. But... you knew there was going to be a but in there... We need drastic measures to combat a drastic situation. Please feel free to tell me I am a loon, please include why, but there needs to be several changes made starting with our schools. Schools need to be in session year round with the same holiday breaks and perhaps 2 weeks in the summer. The curriculum should be math and science focused without neglecting other classes or topics. Kids need to be held to a higher standard that what is currently in place. We need to be the great minds who invent technology and change the world again like we were after WW2 (granted we stole other countries scientists). We need to remove our troops from other countries and place them on our borders, in our airports, on our soil. The military or college, your choice, its one or the other. One or the other will teach you to be a productive member of society. And my last thought is a focus on manufacturing goods here in the US and not be focused on a service economy. Its not working for us. Again, please tell me what your thoughts are but please include why. I am not locked into these, I want to keep an open mind.
Christopher you must be a new day prophet, nice post, smack on. Focus on Schools, bring security home, and make our living at home by creating what we need to live at home.
What happens when snowflakes stick together?...............friends come together and have snow ball fights. :)
Leea
This will be my last post on this thread as I am just plain bored by the majority of the folks posting here. They do not want to do anything except deny reality or whine about it. And those behaviors are the CAUSE of what is beginning to fall apart now.
Chris, there is no point for you to focus on security--troops on the border and all that crap. Your empire collapsed from within. And what should you have expected from a system founded on the twin pillars of genocide and racism?!
It's too late to start over with the schools and it's been too late for the manufacturing sector since the 70s.
In fact, it's just too late. Period.
You did it to yourselves--you did not need the vandals, visigoths and huns. The barbarians were inside the gates the whole time.
For Christ's sake, the comic strip pogo said it in the 50s: We have met the enemy and it is us.
Mojigato,
I am not ready to throw in the towel. The US is not a perfect place but no country can say they have had no persecution or racism in its history. I will stake my life on this one point... We will change and it will happen as soon as we start putting voting centers in colleges where the big dividing line between Democrat and Republican grays and where people are taught to think for themselves and not adopt cookie cutter political values. We are smarter than that. We can't throw in the towel. The first step was to elect a president who is intelligent enough to take the lead. If we can wrestle the power away from the corporate lobbyists we are almost there. We adopt a few of ideas I mentioned before and the next generation will bring the US right back to the top. We give up now and we can expect serfdom to corporate entities and expect that gap between the rich and the rest to become irreversible. And I don't know about you, but I have a skill set and am slightly intelligent so I don't want to be cast out as being in league with the devil and fed to the pigs.
Christopher
Okay, I am going to respond to you. And then that's it, as I am tired of you jokers who hope for the best as you walking off the cliff into the abyss. At least have the dignity to be aware of what's happening.
1. It's too late for voting booths in colleges.
2. Power cannot be wrestled away from the corporate machine by someone who works for it--namely your new president.
3. There may well not be a next generation, Chris.
4. I have many skill sets, and I live in Latin America, where there is a shitload of resentment against the US telling us how to run our countries when its model created poverty here--and now is doing so there. We also resent your trying to drag us down with you.
5. Racism and genocide, sir, are not the small potatoes you make them out to be. Your chickens have come home to roost.
6. You have not told us what YOU are doing to avoid throwing in the towel. If it comes down to posting a piece of pie in the sky here on CD, it ain't gonna matter one damn bit.
So Majigato,
So if you don't have anything to contribute in a positive manner, ideals, suggestions, positive thoughts, then why continue the doom say? You have stated your peace and have nothing to contribute or add. It is exactly your type of mentality that won't help (this country or your own). Please continue to be fed your filtered information and stand proudly on your soapbox that you sir are not American. Its pretty popular in South America I hear(along with a cappuccino).
I am fully aware of the racism here. Now, Genocide is one of those very powerful words used by people who do not know its meaning to shock and panic. I call it "media vocabulary". So your regurgitating something you have heard from your South American media that struck you as powerful. I understand this. Its all you know. Enjoy the money that gets filtered to you from the drugs you send to our country. It wont last long and you know it.
I would like to respond to your #6, but I find that I have nothing I need to prove to you. You would know me personally if you were in my community, church, and state government.
I await the "Ok, 1 more post"
Christopher
hey chris - go get a foot massage or something
your logic is juvenile and your rhetoric is lame
best to leave the field with some doubt as to your idiocy than to post one more word and remove all doubt
cheers, b
A somewhat unfair critique , in my opinion. At least Christopher is trying to communicate his ideas and ideals. I suspect he is a rather young man, one who has not read an in depth analysis of our nations history and has not understood the creeping rot that has enveloped her. I believe him well intentioned, just unaware.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so. Bertrand Russell
The final one, too:
1. I am Native American and MY people (twenty million of them) were victims of YOUR genocidal greed and hunger for land. The only positive thing that can be done is for you--all of you illegal immigrants on Turtle Island--to pack your bags and get out.
2. As a US citizen I will say whatever I damn please about the US situation, and you will just shut up and take it.
3. I am neither a drug dealer nor a drug addict--but you are an addict, definitely--if not drugs (and those prozac and codeine and all the other garbage Do count) then to stupidity and ill-founded optimism. I now live off the SS monies that my ex-husband worked for and deposited, as he was self-employed. Before that I worked here in the Third World that you, in your racist ignorance and hatred, sneer at.
4. You didn't respond to my Number 6 because you are NOT DOING ANYTHING but running your ignorant keyboard here on CD. You deserve everything that happens to you--and more.
5. The back of my hand--and the sole of my huarache--to you.
moj: if you got nothing better to do than to respond to numbnuts - then you need to re-assess your whole approach
numbnuts is a waste of time
cheers, b
Sometimes my compassion for humanity gets the better of me, bryan.
But I sure do have something better to do. This morning I went to the David LaChapelle photo show, Delirium of Reason, at San Ildefonso Museum here in Mexico City. He had it all--from all angles, including the "Holy War" the genocial US government is waging against Islam, the pop heroes (Pieta with Courtney Love), the God is on my side only in his Jesus Is My Homeboy series, the geriatric biblical prophets, the gone world. I started writing a huge baroque poem after my first time through the show, then went through it again.
Best show in decades--by any artist.
LaChapelle nailed it: It's over.
Here's the link to his site--with images from the show here and the Paris show:
http://www.davidlachapelle.com/home.html
Give yourself a break and see it through art, instead of the lameass patsy posts on this site.
theinitiate
I'm glad peolple are still responding on this article. Mr. Hedges points out such a realistic point. for years now, my sisters and I have seen something coming. We've been focusing on growing our own food and learning as much as we can to become more self sufficient. One of my sisters and her family have done better at this, than I have, but I am working on it.
But overall at some point things could be so bad that a plan like ours wouldn't even work. We could loose our houses since they are not paid for, if our work places crumble under us. Then what? Best laid plans go out the window. The only person who has her own, paid for home is my mom who lives in a mobile home with two rooms built on. This sets on a quarter acre. Not really enough to grow food for four families. (I have two brothers).
In other words, the dark storm clouds have been gathering for a long, long time.
I had a dream about a year or more ago. I was looking off to a distant hill, the sky was blue with a few puffy white clouds. But way over the far hill, my vision was set and a voice, very clearly stated "IT'S COMING".
That sounds like a significant dream initiate. Your point about land ownership is excellent and has stirred me quite a bit. I also am trying to move toward self sustainability, but it is hard to change.
What happens when snowflakes stick together?...............friends come together and have snow ball fights. :)
Leea
Have you ever thought about the term "OK"? What does it mean anyway? I'm OK or not OK, it's OK, it's not OK. What would Wittgenstein say about it?
I can answer that, rebel.
Wittgenstein said: The world is what it appears to be.
(That was in the Philosophical Investigations.)
I was telling my mom about the article because of some stuff we had been discussing and I read her the title.....She says, "Ok" and we both laughed. Then there is A OK.
Perhaps it's going to be A OK? Well I'm glad people are still responding too. It seems we go on to other articles before a really solid discussion is finished.
What happens when snowflakes stick together?...............friends come together and have snow ball fights. :)
Leea
hey lee - if you think this stupid crap about snowflakes is working you're wrong
stop it
piss off with the emoticons too
cheers, b
I agree.
What we don't need on these threads is more infantile tics--like that awful fascist ignorant pedant that tortured us with Anais Nin pap--worse that reading the narcissistic Nin diaries.
Could it be that this is just 'end of empire', in the same way the soviets self destructed, the Brits just realized it was all simply unsustainable after WW2, the French gave it up, the Dutch, the Belgians, the Spanish, Alexander and the Greeks, the Romans? Bits and pieces left, but always they rose up, were all powerful for a while, then for various reasons, just over extended, bankrupted themselves, lost interest, ran out of resources, were beset by famine or plague or conquered by the next empire only to have the cycle repeated throughout history.
Why does the U.S. feel its the final chapter in the history of the world, the eternal big kid in control for ever and ever amen? Think god is on your side? The Germans, in WW1 had "Gott mit uns" on their belts. And prayed to the same god that the Brits, French, and you guys did. What a hoot!
Gandhi was right- in the end, they always fall. Always. You'll drag on, bomb a few more primitive countries, eat and entertain yourselves stupid, and slowly but surely degenerate into increasingly illiterate, irrelevant, navel gazing used-to- be's, waiting for your rapture that never comes. A failed experiment, betrayed by your greed, your selfishness and your collective stupidity.
Chow mein, anyone?
EXACTLY.
this is why -- CHINA - of all places...if people cared to check its history - since 4,000 years ago - NEVER attempted to "expand" and was more interested over the eons to remain "the center civilization" Uninterested in dominance OUTSIDE of its own borders. and it remains its basic philosophy. ..which has allowed it through the centuries to successfuly REPEL any foreign imperialism... a lesson NEVER learned by the USA, England, Germany, Spain, the Dutch, etc...when Marco Polo became the "first westerner" to witness China and reported to the europeans decades later:
"it was a land of great prosperity ..where the riches can be seen shared by all , even for the peasants....with cities and towns well-paved and busy with human activity ..and the most ordinary of people wearing the richest of apparels in silk ...and above all, a people with great curiosity about the world and celebration of life".
see--- in whatever FORM the chinese had their political or cultural system through the centuries -- there is something that WEST NEVER UNDERSTOOD :
CHINA is perhaps the oldest continuing civilization (granted it is grappling with the "new challenges" of modernity as it has through the centuries with other challenges) - that is INHERENTLY SOCIALIST...EVEN under its "imperial" phases within its borders.
paulson,and bernanke, and NOW Geithner and obama, clinton and Dodd are complaining about China's "currency manipulation"
but are being DISINGENUOUS -- in that it is the USA that is the LEADING CURRENCY manipulator in order to compensate for ITS own WRONG POLICIES and blames it on a nation that is merely practicing what it has practiced for EONS -- MAINTAINING ITS stability within its borders by keeping its own currency carefully controlled .
guess WHICH civilization is going to be around LONG AFTER the USA empire is GONE?
we might be reminded by an old Indian saying (subcontinent of india) - to the WEST:
"WE WERE HERE LONG BEFORE YOU WERE EVEN TRIBES IN EUROPE....WE WILL STILL BE HERE LONG AFTER YOUR EMPIRES AND CIVILIZATIONS ARE GONE".
what will happen eventually, imo, is a greater , broader expression of something the "poet of empire" Rudyard Kipling wrote in a poem at the closing of the British Empire - in afghanistan where his own son died "for the glory of empire" far beyond england's own borders:
"HERE LIES a MAN that tried to HUSTLE the EAST".
capitalism of the west?
it TOO will be SWALLOWED UP , regurgitated and thrown in the heap of history's dustbins by all the older civilizations whose philosophies go BEYOND the MERE "profiteering" that capitalist western imperialism IS!
Teddy: I agree with what you say, except for one point that you make. Rudyard Kipling's son John, died in the trenches in France in World War 1. He was just 18, shot in the head while leading a small group of men into the machine guns- his body was later obliterated by a shell and never found. Sadly, his father pulled strings to get him into the army, as his eyesight was so bad he was not accepted at first. Kipling blamed himself to the end of his days, and wrote the famous poem, "My Son Jack", which I had the honour of hearing at one of your Memorial Day services a few years ago. Sadly again, the old vet that read the poem left off another line that Kipling wrote- "If any ask why we died, tell them because our fathers lied."
I am afraid, after reading the posts on this thread, that Hedge's point has been well-demonstrated here.
I see denial and depression--the two related Ds--and neither of those is a coping skill.
Righteous anger is a coping skill--but it involves being willing to risk it all to make one last try at changing the system.
Ever since this site put a comments function, I have predicted it all--and can't count the number of times I have been banned or "disabled" for doing so.
Time to play Taps and be done with it.
Chris Hedges is brilliant, as usual.
"The extent to which young people have been drawn away from public concerns and given this extraordinary range of diversions makes it very likely they could then rally to a demagogue." Yes, especially if that demagogue has their cell phone number!
"The universities are mills for corporate employees." And the universities are also mills for corporate research. Research for the sake of research is a thing of the past. Corporations and university scientists have become 'one'.
"Here, except for Nader's efforts, we don't have that." Ralph Nader is indeed the peoples' hero. But who stands with him? Where is today's Emma Goldman and Eugene Debs?
People like Howard Zinn and Amy Goodman are needed, but they, and others, cannot be compared to EG and ED. HZ and AG continue to live in a state of denial about the events surrounding 9/11. I'm betting that Emma and Eugene would be raising hell about it!
I think I saw a flicker of life in the UE led sit in of the Republic Door and Window workers. I hope some people attend the events on their tour and tell us your impressions. I was very encouraged.
Joe
war
We live in a Constitutional "REPUBLIC", the US is not a democracy. A democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner. Democracy is mob rule. Please Mr. Hedges, correct this in the future. Peace...
snydly
Hey...Democracy is what W wanted to bring to the middle east.
Obama can't fix this, nor can Republicans or Democrats. Only the American people will, state by state. And they will. They are so much better than portrayed here I wonder if anyone ever goes outside.
Our greatest advantage is the fact that we are in better shape than most of the other countries in the world. But in dire straits none the less.
Yes, it will never be the same, nor should it be. It has changed and it will be better. Our standard of living may not be what we have enjoyed but I'd say it shouldn't be. No couple needs a house of 3000 square ft. or more, no family of four needs 6 cars, no nation needs to spend more on CEO pay than on education. No one can make a claim to be worth a salary of a billion dollars a year or more. No politician should enjoy better circumstances than the citizens he represents. No prisoner in prison should enjoy a better quality of life than an elderly citizen they robbed. No company should be allowed to employ an H1B worker while an American worker and his family go without a job. Our laws must be obeyed once more and not selectively. This list could go on for pages.
You have described what our values should be. My feeling is that many agree with you.
Joe
A very kind thing to say, thank you.
I don't think your regular prisoner is having such an awesome time in prison, but I've never been there (keeping my fingers crossed about this)...
I had just read two articles about prisoners. One speaking about medical care, better than many, and proposals for prisoner care in California (that they were really considering) that were outside reality.
Sorry Thomas, but once again you transgress. Prisoners are as entitled to health care as are any group of people. The overcrowded prisons of our nation, much less my state, are allowing inmates to die by denying them proper medical care. This is borne out by actual evidence.
The prison system in our nation is bad enough, wharehousing, no effort or darn little at rehabilitation as noted by the recidivism rates, overcrowding and punishing some ethnicities with longer sentences for the same crimes as whites with much longer sentences. Sentencing non violent crimes to very long terms ( Texas leads the nation in such) while giving early releases to violent criminals, making our prisons institutes of higher education in criminal activities all show plainly that our approach to crime is as shortsighted as our approach to most everything!
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so. Bertrand Russell
"Prisoners are as entitled to health care as are any group of people. The overcrowded prisons of our nation, much less my state, are allowing inmates to die by denying them proper medical care. This is borne out by actual evidence."
Didn't say that. I said they should not enjoy better health care than the average American citizen. I did see the evidence that you speak of and am not saying that. Whaty I am saying is...."They should not enjoy better health care than the average American citizen."
No transgression....did you read what your good folks were proposing for prisoners in California? It staggered my imagination and put our Federal country club in Seagoville to shame.
"The prison system in our nation is bad enough, wharehousing, no effort or darn little at rehabilitation as noted by the recidivism rates, overcrowding and punishing some ethnicities with longer sentences for the same crimes as whites with much longer sentences. Sentencing non violent crimes to very long terms ( Texas leads the nation in such) while giving early releases to violent criminals, making our prisons institutes of higher education in criminal activities all show plainly that our approach to crime is as shortsighted as our approach to most everything!"
No disagreement. Especiaslly about the senetencing requirements, particularly where it references "crack" cocaine to "powder" cocaine.
There has never been any rehabilitation program that worked. Ever. The only thing that I believe will work, is giving the ones that want it every chance at education, job training, etc. Only they themselves can stop their recidivism.
Spend our $ on keeping the percentage of criminals that do most of the harm in jail.
And for God's sake, change our jails. Stop this private jail nonsense. Stop putting non violent offenders in with the worst...etc. A whole nother discussion.
Today on NPR I heard a story about a young black man convicted of rape. He was put into a cell, eerily enough, next to the guy who actually committed that rape. The real rapist waited for the statute of limitations to expire and then began to write letters admitting his guilt. He wrote to the original prosecutor, the judge who sentence the poor kid and received nary a reply. Twenty years went by and the guy wrote to the kid's address, thinking he had been paroled by now. The kids Mom got the letter as the kid had died in prison of acute asthma.
It seems that this innocent kid had been found unconscious three times in his cell and had been revived twice. Ahhh that California health care, so outrageous, so expensive, so lacking. This is not an isolated incident, Thomas, not that a black kid was found guilty of a crime he didnt commit, nor that a convict dies in prison because his health care needs were far from met.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so. Bertrand Russell
That's a real sad story. Prosecutors are in constant danger of accumulating so much bad karma through wrong convictions. I never heard this story - but I've heard of a similar one. I can't imagine the black man's mom's feelings.
Highintel: Can we do better?
OK, there is one factor that most people over the age of about 50 always seem to discount, and it is the reason we HAVE Obama in power in the first place.
The internet.
True, you cannot rely on television any more to tell you what happened at the DNC or RNC protests. The RNC protests would have opened the eyes of anyone particularly if you saw what the troglodyte police did to the reporters from "Democracy Now!".
More and more of us are coordinating through the internet.
There is not necessarily any NEED any longer to all organize in one place. We infiltrate every section of the country, every single sector.
This is not a tool that allows us to make forward decisions, or to decide direction. But it is a tool that allows us to organize protest, report on what ACTUALLY happens, and share information as to what is the reality instead of what is being told to us.
I too am gloomy. But not nearly as gloomy as Wolin.
And you know, if Wolin is mostly concerned with his ideas getting 'out there' and less concerned with book royalties....why doesn't he publish his whole text on-line and let us all download it???
I don't see your point about the internet. Yes, it CAN be used to organize, to spread ideas, etc. but a) it's NOT being used that way with any effective result; b) it is all too easy for the people BEING protested to track (and prepare for) the people DOING the protesting and c) do you not think at some point (in the near future) this accessibility will be curbed (google Net Neutrality)?
The bigger problem seems to be that NOBODY IS DOING ANYTHING. As is mentioned in the article, the Left is Amorphous and powerless. This is not simply because people on the Left are less well organized, of course. More to the point, the outcomes the Left (or Progressives) desire fly directly in the face of the corporate power structure. So they will be silenced. (I personally don't agree that the American PEOPLE are more conservative than most other advanced countries - just the government. Most people, I believe, DO want change -- an end to the wars, universal healthcare, etc.) But the only way to bring about genuine change is to CHALLENGE THE STATUS QUO -- not continue electing its standard bearers (which Obama is)! Thus, we will see no real change -- because we have not demanded one!
The fact that the internet was a major force in bringing Obama to the Whitehouse, simply makes my point.
"NOBODY IS DOING ANYTHING"
Well I'm doing something, and I'm curious where you get this idea from?
What happens when snowflakes stick together?...............friends come together and have snow ball fights. :)
Leea
I cannot imagine my own death,
for I am the cessation of myself.
99% of everything I think and feel is about my-self,
and there isn't one.
Really liked the commentaries concerning this article. The above is all I know for sure.
Yes it is the begining of the end, but not the end your exspecting. What ever happens, history marches on and nations change but none shall disapier. no one political system will dominate the world.
Reminds me of an old Firesign Theatre line about corporate ownership: "US Plus... We own the idea of America."
Reminds me of 'we're all bozos on this bus.'
SHOES for COMMERCE!!!
But forget the financial meltdown...what about the MORAL bankruptcy of our culture?
HOGG
The Far Field
by Theodore Roethke
I
I dream of journeys repeatedly:
Of flying like a bat deep into a narrowing tunnel
Of driving alone, without luggage, out a long peninsula,
The road lined with snow-laden second growth,
A fine dry snow ticking the windshield,
Alternate snow and sleet, no on-coming traffic,
And no lights behind, in the blurred side-mirror,
The road changing from glazed tarface to a rubble of stone,
Ending at last in a hopeless sand-rut,
Where the car stalls,
Churning in a snowdrift
Until the headlights darken.
II
At the field's end, in the corner missed by the mower,
Where the turf drops off into a grass-hidden culvert,
Haunt of the cat-bird, nesting-place of the field-mouse,
Not too far away from the ever-changing flower-dump,
Among the tin cans, tires, rusted pipes, broken machinery, --
One learned of the eternal;
And in the shrunken face of a dead rat, eaten by rain and ground-beetles
(I found in lying among the rubble of an old coal bin)
And the tom-cat, caught near the pheasant-run,
Its entrails strewn over the half-grown flowers,
Blasted to death by the night watchman.
I suffered for young birds, for young rabbits caught in the mower,
My grief was not excessive.
For to come upon warblers in early May
Was to forget time and death:
How they filled the oriole's elm, a twittering restless cloud, all one morning,
And I watched and watched till my eyes blurred from the bird shapes, --
Cape May, Blackburnian, Cerulean, --
Moving, elusive as fish, fearless,
Hanging, bunched like young fruit, bending the end branches,
Still for a moment,
Then pitching away in half-flight,
Lighter than finches,
While the wrens bickered and sang in the half-green hedgerows,
And the flicker drummed from his dead tree in the chicken-yard.
-- Or to lie naked in sand,
In the silted shallows of a slow river,
Fingering a shell,
Thinking:
Once I was something like this, mindless,
Or perhaps with another mind, less peculiar;
Or to sink down to the hips in a mossy quagmire;
Or, with skinny knees, to sit astride a wet log,
Believing:
I'll return again,
As a snake or a raucous bird,
Or, with luck, as a lion.
I learned not to fear infinity,
The far field, the windy cliffs of forever,
The dying of time in the white light of tomorrow,
The wheel turning away from itself,
The sprawl of the wave,
The on-coming water.
II
The river turns on itself,
The tree retreats into its own shadow.
I feel a weightless change, a moving forward
As of water quickening before a narrowing channel
When banks converge, and the wide river whitens;
Or when two rivers combine, the blue glacial torrent
And the yellowish-green from the mountainy upland, --
At first a swift rippling between rocks,
Then a long running over flat stones
Before descending to the alluvial plane,
To the clay banks, and the wild grapes hanging from the elmtrees.
The slightly trembling water
Dropping a fine yellow silt where the sun stays;
And the crabs bask near the edge,
The weedy edge, alive with small snakes and bloodsuckers, --
I have come to a still, but not a deep center,
A point outside the glittering current;
My eyes stare at the bottom of a river,
At the irregular stones, iridescent sandgrains,
My mind moves in more than one place,
In a country half-land, half-water.
I am renewed by death, thought of my death,
The dry scent of a dying garden in September,
The wind fanning the ash of a low fire.
What I love is near at hand,
Always, in earth and air.
IV
The lost self changes,
Turning toward the sea,
A sea-shape turning around, --
An old man with his feet before the fire,
In robes of green, in garments of adieu.
A man faced with his own immensity
Wakes all the waves, all their loose wandering fire.
The murmur of the absolute, the why
Of being born falls on his naked ears.
His spirit moves like monumental wind
That gentles on a sunny blue plateau.
He is the end of things, the final man.
All finite things reveal infinitude:
The mountain with its singular bright shade
Like the blue shine on freshly frozen snow,
The after-light upon ice-burdened pines;
Odor of basswood on a mountain-slope,
A scent beloved of bees;
Silence of water above a sunken tree :
The pure serene of memory in one man, --
A ripple widening from a single stone
Winding around the waters of the world.
Great poem by one of my professors when I was an undergraduate.
I have taught Roethke--this poem as well as The Lost Son--in the Middle East. The students loved him.
Nice, one of my favorite poets!
What is madness but nobility of soul, at odds with circumstance...
Sioux Rose
BOB V: Powerful poem and I think I understand why you posted it here, as it enlarges our very sense of meaning, how the self as entity fuses into all that is, returns to its quintessential home, even if only on a mere biological level. (I happen to believe the spirit remains intact and returns for periodic embodiment.) ?The poem therefore presents a perspective that lifts us out of the myopic focus on all that is wrong, and yet wrong it is.
I can't believe I read it. I can't believe I read it twice.
I don't think I'd mind quite so much if it really were economics that was driving politics. But it's not economics, it's ideology and greed. Economics is--or should be--an evidence-based social science. Ideology and greed are what drive politicians to ensure that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. It is ideology and greed that drives politicians when they say they believe in democracy when what they really believe in is plutocracy.
"No more blood for oil"
I agree - it is IDEOLOGY. America, in reality is the MOST IDEOLOGICAL nation on earth. FAR more than china or russia or iran.
COUNTLESS TIMES more ideological.
its ideology is summed up in "WE ARE AMERICA - WE ARE THE WORLD".
it's mainly the native indians and enslaved africans and others used up to build its empire of its BIG BOSS "our supernationalistic capitalism" (general smedley butler) -- that know the REAL truth of the FRAUD that it really is.
i have come to believe that the USA WILL become a fullfledged Fascist state. or as Benito Mussolini was credited for saying:
"THE PROPER DEFINITION OF FASCISM IS REALLY.......CORPORATISM...FOR IT IS THE MARRIAGE OF THE CORPORATION WITH THE INSTITUTIONS AND POWER OF THE STATE TO ADVANCE THE INTERESTS OF THE RIGHT WING".
THE USA -- in its present course and based on its historical "...Our...supernationalistic Capitalism..OUR BIG BOSS" (general smedley butler) ...
can not be saved. no matter what "true conservatives" calling themselves "libertarians" say..(wherever THEY got that invented ideology from, as an excuse for capitalism) ...the USA can not be saved in its historical and current form.
it is already well on the way towards what Benjamin Franklin ALSO predicted:
"democracy eventually ARRIVES at Tyranny"......
this time of course as a CORPORATE STATE TYRANNY...what Karl Marx called:
"THE FASCISM is the SPECIAL phase of Money Capitalism...as it nears it total collapse".
I think Americans need to stop letting paradigms define them and start to figure out personally who we are, what we believe, and have the discipline and inspiration to live that life.
I love that comment someone made about "kitsch". Because that is what we are turning into. Our voices are cliches. Over and over. Yes, we know the problems. What aren't the problems? That is where the future needs to go. The future does not need to revolve over and over on the problems on a treadmill of reacting.
We need to define ourselves according to our real values, as opposed to reacting. We have been trained to react (for instance, that is what you do to news stories on the internet). But this is taking the role of victim, having things "done" to us. There is a lot we still do not know about ourselves as human beings.
I personally want to live a firsthand life, take creative action, think of new ways to live, do things for myself to best of my ability to do so.
very excellent commentary, ginny!
If we really understood the "problems" we wouldn't repeat them. Mulling over and turning the "problems" to see them from all angles is absolutely necessary before the "solution" can emerge.
I would say historicly the U.S. has practiced a positive, can-do, forward thinking, solution based modus operandi relatively unfettered by tradition. But like any young person or country we have not practiced introspection, avoiding the dark places of our soul. Ultimately what we don't see or understand we live by.
The journey to the real is through the unreal and it's all Real.
The truth.
What happens when snowflakes stick together?...............friends come together and have snow ball fights. :)
Leea
possibly acid rain fomenting roethki....
Wow! What a fantastic and thoughtful comment!
You are so correct.
Yay ginny, excellent contribution.
What happens when snowflakes stick together?...............friends come together and have snow ball fights. :)
Leea
Expecting Fidel
In the November election, I was expecting that the US of A would elect Fidel, for that was the only step that could benefit working people throughout the fifty states. Ah, but alas this would not happen and will not happen. Liberty and economic equality can be gained only by demand and not by elections. Yes, elections can change people in elected office, but then the hard work begins.
Now there must be a demand that everyone who seeks a job will be able to work and have enough to live.
Now there must be a demand that everyone who needs heath care shall have health care and the cost shall be borne by all
Now there must be a demand that everyone who seeks shelter shall have a home with dignity.
Now there must be a demand that everyone who seeks education shall have the opportunity to achieve and create to his capacity.
Now there must be a demand for us to put our shoulders to the wheel so that we may all benefit as we create our new environment where we can all have enough
Economic equality: "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." – a foreign advisor
‘He who serves all, best serves himself.” - Jack London the American author
I still am expecting Fidel.
Except Fidel would not allow elections.
Wrong again!
in what way?
Cuba has had elections ever since the revolution. Hotly contested ones in some cases. Anti Castro candidates have been elected as well. There are, of course, serious problems with the governance in Cuba, especially in the areas of human rights. Yet there is also much good there as well.
They have, in fact, the highest literacy rate in all of the Americas ( USA included). They have free education for all, and accept foreign medical students for free as well, with the proviso being that these new MD's must agree to spend two years treating the poorest in their countries of origin.
"Most people would sooner die than think, in fact they do so. Bertrand Russell
it is said:
"You can tell if a nation is Civilized by how it treats the least among its residents".
in the USA -- a system functions that CREATES people who become LESS and LESS.
and it is a system that spreads this idea across the globe under the disguise of "prosperity" PROMISES that are NEVER delivered but USED as a BAIT in order to subjugate.
imo -- this is the "american way" of doing "business".
"all in service of our BIG BOSS...our supernationalistic Capitalism" : General Smedley Butler
As for me, I grew up in a brainwashing evangelical christian church during the 1960s. Over the years I've converted in the other direction.
Could you be a born again pagan? That is what "happened" to me. Gotterdammerung/Gotzendammerung: The Big Lie and the Awesome Truth
Please tell more, what is the other direction?
What happens when snowflakes stick together?...............friends come together and have snow ball fights. :)
Leea
This may seem a bit off topic, then again maybe not. More than half of the people I know, friends, relatives, and acquaintances are currently, or have recently been, on antidepressants. Maybe a rare few are on them for legitimate reasons (though I'm not sure what legitimate really means), but why is this the case?
Addressing the lack of outrage and anger in our society, am I simplifying the issue too much by suggesting that we are a drugged nation? I noticed a stark transition in a friend who was frustrated and angry and, yes, depressed, but who was "cool with everything" after going on antidepressants.
I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories, but something just ain't right.
Yes, the US is a drugged nation.
And more to the point, depression is anger turned inward. Which is also why nobody gets off their ass and does anything about the mess that's made them depressed because they are too afraid to get angry.
Your responders present an interesting train of thought. I'm a little too anesthetized right now to properly join them, except to say that we all need a little break from reality from time to time, for which excellent purpose God in her infinite wisdom gave us beer, prozac, krispy kremes, netflix, bicycles and cannibis. And that it is absolutely ok not too feel NICE all the time. It is ok to be angry and upset and pessimistic (and hopeful and positive and pragmatic.) Joy, to me, means to feel intensely and with all your might, to think intensely and with all your brains. Even our friend Thomas More, who is sensible and moderate, is sensible and moderate with all his might. The God of the Christians has said some pretty questionable things, but he was right on the money when he said "I would have you hot or cold, but not lukewarm."
vox you rock.
What happens when snowflakes stick together?...............friends come together and have snow ball fights. :)
Leea
I like the list; beer, bikes, etc, though I've yet to try krispy cremes or prozac. To your list I would add one of my favorites, psilocybin, though it's rare these days that I enter into it's magical realm. (I wonder what will result from revealing that personal tidbit?) I also like your thoughts on joy and intensity, thanks for that.
Sioux Rose
REBEL NOW: I believe that the electronic emanation from television is soporific. Add that to your mention of the use of anti-depressants, added to pot & alcohol, and MOST of America is drugged down or out.
More than 10 years ago Ms. Magazine ran a story about the profligate use of anti-depressants. The comment was made that it used to be persons went in for talk therapy and that could last years; but the "drug approach" (pretty ghastly when you think of all the hoopla around "Just say no!") is more cost-effective.
Moods are a natural component of who we are. And it's also natural to FEEL sad when painful things take place. In our robotic marketplace culture if you're having a really tough time it's "impolite" and/or not politically correct to answer the question, "How are you?" With anything that departs substantially from "fine."
I began a book teaching women to understand their mood cycles as they truly do accord with the moon in an effort to bring forth a spiritual "technology" that would offset the need for these anti-depressants. It reminds me of the way so many women are drugged when they give birth. Many end up with post partem depression, or NO SENSE OF being bonded to the baby.
Interfering with nature at every turn has turned off much of human nature, empathy and compassion in particular. To be open to feeling today is to FEEL the very real pain of those whose lives have been broken all over the world as a DIRECT result of U.S. foreign policy, nor is its lack of humanity showing much other in policies germane to the nation itself.
Yes. Your point is well taken. (I took the great circle route in offering a response.)
Siouxrose, your "great circle routes" are always enlightening and enjoyable, thanks for your insight. BTW have you read Carl Hiaasen? Being from Florida you probably have. He's great for a laugh, and diversion from the gloom.
hey rebelnow, I spent this past summer camping in the Columbia Gorge in Oregon. In addition to hiking around and exploring the area, I had plenty of quiet time to read.
"Sick Puppy" was easily my favorite book. Carl Hiassen is wonderful!
Ed Abbey was a hero of mine. I'd describe "Sick Puppy" as Ed Abbey goes to Florida.
Thanks for the reminder!
Don't forget that depression may be a perfectly reasonable reaction to reality, especially if that reality is itself, well, at least a little bit insane ("...it's also natural to FEEL sad when painful things take place"). I have no doubt that the pharmaceutical approach to the depression "epidemic" is pushed because it is highly profitable, but I don't really doubt that the epidemic exists. Deeper examination of causes and reactions are found in Theodore Roszak's VOICE OF THE EARTH and Anne Wilson-Schaeff's WHEN SOCIETY BECOMES AN ADDICT. In the former, Roszak presents the hypothesis underlying "ecopsychology," a field that went nowhere after a brief flash of interest in the early 90s: we are collectively mentally ill because we've become so separated from the natural world that formed the context of our evolution over millenia. Absent abundant immersion in nature, we may not get properly "wired up" in a physical, neurologic sense. It's a perfect set-up for society to become an "addict", whether the addiction is to Prozac, monster truck rallies, krispy kreme donuts, or any other aspect of blind consumerism. You wind up with a consensus reality that is so dysfunctional the cycle becomes self-reinforcing. That said, I'm off to a four-hour jam session with some other old hippies. I will be considerably less depressed myself after four hours of rock 'n' roll, abetted, no doubt, with some medicinals...:)
Excellent suggestions, time to revive "ecopsychology" (spell check doesn't even recognize it). I spend a lot of time in nature, for which I am very grateful to have the opportunity to be able to, but there comes a time when I just gotta have rock and roll and for that, I'm also grateful.
Sioux Rose
FAST EDDIE: I totally agree. Sometimes when I spend too many hours at my computer and just dash off into the forest for a bike ride, I am AMAZED at how good I feel, and how fast. Somehow getting out of my own routine opens the way, the mind, to fresh insights and whether it's sharing the breath of the forest, or the exercise, or just changing my own motif, THERAPY happens NATURALLY!
Great posts all, Sioux (of course), fast eddie and rebelnow...
I have sworn off reading the comment section relating to israel articles as of late (as best i can, because the issue is so meaningful to me), because i was getting even more depressed reading the viscious in-fighting and hatemongering from new names that are fomenting and stirring people's repressed frustration and rage and feelings of helplessness.
It is a relief to come and see these posts. Even if hedges is his usual demoralizing self, who doesn't see hope anywhere within the human condition.
Thanks all!
ready, I agree with you about the comment sections under the articles relating to the Gaza crisis. Some of the comments are infuriating and attempts to have a civil discussion seem to quickly degenerate. There seem to be some provocateurs that can successfully disrupt the conversations. So far the comments here have restored my trust in the CD community.
I just reread Hedges article. As a theological student I wonder if he immersed himself a little too much in the Book of Revelation. He seems stuck in apocalyptic thinking. Though I suppose he could be right.
Rebel now, i agree...
You know, i noticed that some of the 'regulars' to CD, when they post on topics other than Gaza and Israel sound like completely different people.
I swear there is a mini blackhole in those spaces. A tear in the fabric of space-time or somekind of votex that effects our psyches. :)
I wonder if his time spent covering war, the force that gave his life meaning, resulted in PTSD that combined with that old time religion to create this world view of ultimate doom. "Man is a cruel animal," so "it's not going to be OK." Yuck.
Look. We're all going to die. I'm an atheist, and I don't regard that as doom. It just makes me want to live this life the best I can. I am not a cruel animal, and right now I'm OK. Even if chaos prevails, and fear and suffering abound; even if the planet shakes like a dog and we all die and our species dies, it's going to be OK, and interesting. In the meantime, we can still be kind. Life is pretty amazing. Have a big piece while you still can.
"it's going to be OK, and interesting. In the meantime, we can still be kind. Life is pretty amazing. Have a big piece while you still can."
Yay FastEddie, it's good enough to be true!
What happens when snowflakes stick together?...............friends come together and have snow ball fights. :)
Leea
Very good points F.E. PTSD is definitely involved.
Ironically, today, before I read Hedges article, I found a recent book of his in the used bookstore called "I Don't Believe in Atheists". I haven't read it yet. Despite his gloomy outlook he does make you think and he raises a lot of questions. But I agree with your "yuck" about this article, especially the opening paragraphs.
I like your outlook, and to quote the Dalai Lama (I'm not a fan of the cult of personality around him but) "Kindness is my religion", and I agree with you, we don't need religion to practice kindness.
The challenge is to maintain that outlook. I find that hard to do. I'm tired of being angry.
Sioux Rose and I discussed Hedges back in December when he wrote "Man is a Cruel Animal." Sioux Rose suggested of Hedges: "war is a force that gives HIM meaning," and we realized that it doesn't have to be that way. For example, we said the Dalai Lama could rebut Hedges by saying "compassion is a force that gives me meaning."
"I Don't Believe in Atheists" is Hedges weakest work ever. His contention that "new atheists" are out to "take over" and enforce an "atheist fundamentalism" on others is a perverted interpretation of what some great thinkers have "revealed" about religions. I wouldn't read it without first reading the people he unfairly and grossly misrepresents.