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America: The Choice Ahead
The presidential election of Barack Obama is a milestone in American history, deeply significant for two reasons; firstly, he not only represents the non-white population of the US, but also the poor and oppressed in a way that no candidate has promised since Roosevelt. Secondly, his campaign was driven by a mass mobilisation of grassroots, popular support that is unprecedented in US politics. The most crucial question that remains, however, is more dependent on the actions of US citizenry than the policy decisions of Obama's administration in the months and years ahead. Will the American public be further mobilised to influence the necessary and momentous turnaround in global priorities that must inevitably be led by the United States?
Sixty years after the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was first enshrined, the current global economic system has decisively undermined the United Nation's goals through ever-worsening conditions for the majority world and an unprecedented gap between rich and poor. Nowhere is this more evident than in America, home to the highest number of world billionaires alongside increasing levels of food insecurity - with child hunger rising by 50 percent in 2007 even before the economic recession. According to the latest data from the Internal Revenue Service, the richest 1 percent of Americans have garnered the highest share of the nation's adjusted gross income for two decades, possibly the highest since 1929.
Reports on US inequality are now so commonplace that the term ‘a second gilded age' is considered a cliché. The American Dream of upward social mobility has "emigrated from its birthplace in the US to northern Europe", reported the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) on the growth of economic equality over the past 20 years; growing inequality in US cities could lead to widespread social unrest and increased mortality, says a recent study by UN-Habitat; and over 12 percent of Americans (36.2 million adults and children) did not have enough food to maintain active and healthy lives in 2007, according to the US Department of Agriculture. As financial turmoil redoubles the number of home repossessions and factory closures, with nearly 2 million US jobs already lost this year, such statistics urge a fundamental reassessment of America's position on the world stage.
A crisis of historic proportions
Millions of poor Americans went to vote during the presidential elections, many "for the first time - and many for the first time in a long time" as the Barack Obama website declares, because they believed in the blanket rhetoric of hope and change. The Obama campaign emphasised his awareness of the injustice inherent in the gap between rich and poor, alongside the need to "jumpstart the economy" and prevent a further 1 million Americans from losing their jobs. Citing an economic crisis of "historic proportions" during his third press conference after being elected, he stressed how urgent action must be taken to stop a further unraveling of the US economy.
Despite injecting an extra $500 billion into the banking system and promising mass expenditure on public works and green technologies, the fact remains that a salvaging of the US economy is no longer possible without long-term reforms of the global financial architecture. In the meantime, the people of America are predicted to experience a recession more severe and protracted than any since the Great Depression of the 1930s. A million more job lay-offs are expected by next spring, and the collapse of the auto industry alone could wipe out Obama's economic plan of "saving or creating" 2.5 million jobs in 2009/10.
In the midst of widespread social disruption and suffering, one sector of the economy will remain unscathed - the arms manufacturing corporations. The US spends more than 20 percent of its annual budget on defense, with some 700 military naval and air bases in over 100 countries. Without a significant cut-back in military expenditure, which means closing a large proportion of foreign military bases, it will be impossible for Obama to fulfill his campaign promises of job creation, new social housing and the funding of renewable energy research and development. There is no clear indication that Obama is thinking along these lines. Even if so, no president can dismantle the military industrial complex, considering its entrenched hold over the US Congress, without a huge groundswell of support from the American people.
Deconstructing the War on Terror
It is significant that anti-war protestors initially sought Obama's help, inviting him to speak at a rally in October 2002 when he proclaimed the invasion of Iraq as a "dumb" and "rash" war based "not on reason but on passion". Now that six years have passed, Obama's words will be firmly put to the test. Ending an era of imperial warfare in Iraq may be a top priority for the President-elect, but the test extends to the military operations in Afghanistan. As many pundits have argued, Obama will have to rethink and deconstruct the whole War on Terror, which is a challenge that his rhetoric has far from acknowledged. He has called Afghanistan the "central front in the War on Terror" and argued for the redeployment of US troops from Iraq to Afghanistan, while threatening to bomb Pakistan if the country harbours any Afghan warlords. America has already sent drones into Waziristan (North West Pakistan) to attack Al Qaeda leaders, frequently killing innocent families. With no clear indication of Obama's intentions, the prevention of an escalating global conflict in the Middle East could rest upon a massive wave of public protest to pressure an immediate US withdrawal from the region.
The signs concerning America's future role in the Israel/Palestine conflict are similarly foreboding. On the day of the US elections, while the entire world's attention was turned on Obama, a report from Jerusalem stated that "Israeli forces were tearing up the homes of Palestinian families to build new settlements, furthering their control of occupied East Jerusalem and pre-empting final status negotiations." A direct role played by the US in arming and fomenting civil war in Gaza was revealed by Vanity Fair magazine in March 2008, starkly contradicting the official intention of the White House to broker a deal that would create a viable Palestinian state and bring peace to the Holy Land.
Now that Obama has put a fiercely pro-Israel man in charge of the White House, the chances of a US turnaround in its backing of Israel's militarism in the Middle East are less than remote. The World Bank recently made no secret of the fact that Israeli restrictions are largely to blame for the wretched condition of the Palestinian economy, with poverty rates in the Gaza Strip soaring to almost 80 percent. Humanitarian assistance from the US, which is desperately needed in the creation of a sustainable development program to overhaul the economies of the West Bank and Gaza, risks being continually subjugated to Israeli politics. Again, hope for the Middle East is dependent on pressure from the American public to force Barrack Obama to break away from the Bush era strategy of a distinctly laissez-faire attitude towards Israel's dominance over the Palestinian territories.
African hopes
Much of the optimism for ‘change' placed in the new presidency comes not only from the United States, but also from Barack Obama's ethnic origins in the continent of Africa. In Kenya, the home country of Obama's father, a public holiday was declared following the election results, with African leaders from South Africa to Somalia sending their congratulations to the US president-elect. When Obama takes office in January, his difficulty will lie in matching the passionate expectations. Certain sections of African society may have praised President Bush's financial contributions in the fight against HIV/Aids, but still half the population of sub-Saharan Africa lives in extreme poverty, a figure that hasn't changes for over 25 years. According to the World Bank's latest figures, the number of poor people in the region nearly doubled over the period of economic globalisation, from 200 million in 1981 to 380 million in 2005. The exhaustive studies of World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF) policies in Africa, demonstrating in detail how structural adjustment policies led by the US have caused increased hunger and deprivation for millions of Africans, are all the evidence of an enormous burden of responsibility that rests on Obama's shoulders.
A number of tough decisions must be faced by the new administration in relation to the Bretton Woods institutions. It is obvious to state that the management of these bodies is dominated by the US, a small number of European countries and Japan. China, one of the most important economic powers after America, is dwarfed in influence by Britain and France, while most other non-EU countries (most of all Africans) have a negligible say in the international trade system. At the recent meeting of the G20, world leaders admitted that "the Bretton Woods institutions must be comprehensively reformed", but the reforms intended are to give the IMF more power and resources and the poorer nations merely "a greater voice and representation."
The real challenge facing Obama, beyond acknowledging the ill-designed policies and the failure of the World Bank and IMF's basic mandates, is between two distinct options: to reshape the two institutions towards their original conception in the 1950/60s as the true guardians of economic development and international monetary stability; or to embark upon the dismantling of existing Bretton Woods organisations and the creation of a new international trade architecture. The people of Africa have already decided that Obama is genuine in wanting to help their cause; the world now awaits the support of the American public in pressuring the White House to adopt new strategies abroad. The alternative, meaning the continuation of a free trade model based upon a relentless economic battle between unequal nations and an intensifying conflict over natural resources, is almost unthinkable.
Robin Hood in the White House?
Many commentators have accused Obama of being a socialist or modern-day Robin Hood in the White House, as if any form of ‘taxing the rich' or wealth redistribution is antithetical to progress and economic development. In the discussion following Obama's infamous "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody" comment during a campaign rally in Ohio, he was vehemently questioned on the potentially ‘socialistic' nature of his tax plans, or even for being a clandestine Marxist. For other critics, especially those in countries like the UK where socialist ideals (the state pension, National Health Service) have been tried with great success, such accusations were generally viewed as ludicrous. Obama's current tax proposals, even if 95 percent of working families do receive a tax cut of $1,000 in 2009, are hardly analogous to the Communist Manifesto. The continued economic slump and the will of the US Congress could still reshape the design of any tax changes, and whether the proposals are robust enough to end the decades-long ‘flood-up' of wealth to the very highest rung of the income ladder is yet to be seen.
Of more international significance is The Global Poverty Act, a bill sponsored by Obama in late 2007 that declares it "official US policy" to promote the reduction of global poverty, and hence recommits the US to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid (adding $65 billion a year to what the US already spends). A genuine dedication from the White House to support the Millennium Development Goal of cutting extreme poverty in half by 2015, despite even this target remaining woefully insufficient, is the surest sign that the US government could reawaken to its responsibility for an equitable form of overseas aid and development.
The term that most expresses the real hope for the Obama administration is not ‘socialism', but the principle of sharing. As the world's agenda-setter, the US holds a unique power in being able to prioritise the elimination of hunger and poverty through a redistribution of resources on a global scale. That the Global Poverty Act would make levels of US foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations is not a negative position, as various critics have suggested, but one of its greatest hopes. A re-empowerment of the UN framework in poverty reduction and international development is a prerequisite to the United States accepting a less dominant and self-interested role in foreign affairs. A fairer sharing of world resources, which necessitates a completing reordering or priorities in favour of the poorest countries and the marginalised sections of society, is an essential measure of President Obama's progress both at home and abroad.
The call for sharing
One American who has embraced the principle of sharing is Dennis Kucinich, currently representing Ohio as a Democratic member of the US House of Representatives. Kucinich is singularly unafraid to demand that America lead the way in multilateral disarmament by cutting back on defense spending, instead using the money to provide free health care, social security and quality education for all. His campaign proposals (based on the restoration of rural farms and communities, international cooperation abroad, and the immediate withdrawal from the WTO, NAFTA and the war in Iraq) may have heeded only modest support in the 2004 and 2008 elections, but more Americans need to follow Kucinich's example in demanding both the dismantlement of the military industrial complex and a renewed system of international trade. The US pioneered the creation of the current failed economic system; as the world economy continues to deteriorate, it is up to the American public to become politically engaged and light the way for other countries in how to live a simpler, more sustainable lifestyle.
Mass public mobilisation in the US election campaign was a wonderful demonstration of popular idealism and devotion to democracy, but it should not be limited to this symbolic Martin Luther King phase. When King said "I have a dream", he was speaking not only for the oppressed black minority, but for every American who in the end must decide the fate of their country. All Americans share a similar dream: to see their children grow up in peace and freedom, to play their part in making sure that every citizen of the US, and of the world, enjoys an adequate standard of living as long defined in Article 25 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Through the grassroots financing and immense support of the Obama campaign, the US has indicated what a true form of political participation can achieve. Now the American people must show the world, on a scale never seen before, how public opinion can influence the creation of a new social order from the ashes of a failed, unjust and obsolete economic system.
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Show AllThere you go! This guy has got it so very right. Tax Americans into 2nd world status, take their "money" or wealth and spread it around the world. The only thing he's left out is the need to have China and Russia invited to oversee the dismantling of the U.S. Nuclear weapons program and other military hardware while the UN puts the U.S. gov't into receivership.
Man I am growing tired of your posts...
Seriously, 2nd world? Let China and Russia dismantle our Nuclear Weapons Program?
Please Stop posting...
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
--Albert Einstein
Einstein sums it up. You gotta love people who jump out of bed when they hear anything about giving to people in a foreign country, but not so much when it comes to killing them and taking their resources.
And you think sharing is expensive? Try the wars we are now involved in because of the scrambling for global resources.
Sioux Rose
MOE: Well said! If American audiences were shown the pie charts (the way Ross Perot had his at the ready to show the nation where Arkansas, as Clinton's baby, fared) of what percentage of our economy goes to the wars, to military salaries, the development of weapons, the maintenance of 700 plus bases, the care of veterans of several wars (when they are not denying claims or leaving those exposed to strange substances in a dark labyrinth where they doubt their own minds, convinced the symptoms are made up!), and homeland security's war prep against domestic citizens... added to what our dear bankers just walked away with, no strings attached... maybe THEN there would be riots in the streets.
And I had this thought, too. Perhaps some ambitious computer savvy engineer can create a "world votes" system for who the world nominates for America, like say, Dennis Kucinich. And if our presidency fails its own word, continues on in both fiscal and martial debacles, that this world body will agree to ONLY speak to ITS intended representative, the U.S. "world president." What do you think fellow not-so-common dreamers? Could that consensus hold Obama's feet to the proverbial fire?
Yes Sioux, the defense budget is nothing but a yearly bailout of unecessary and overpriced contracters who have their claws deep in our system, while they and their lackies continue to create more customers, err I mean enemies. I wish we could shut these blood suckers down.
And yes, the democracy you speak of would be wonderful. Of course that is exactly the kind of consensus those in power make sure has no influence. Of course if the US continues on its course, the rest of the world will take whatever representative we have less and less seriously.
Without massive wealth redistribution, human extinction in this century is incredibly likely. The extreme gaps between rich and poor foster instability, hatred, and bitterness, and in a world brimming with nuclear and other extraordinarly lethal weapons, that creates so much risk that human survival becomes a pipe dream. Those who hoard wealth and their sycophants and enablers are the true terrorists and the true enemies of all of humanity.
Scare City
There is a myth of scarcity
Perpetuated by a few stupid white men
Who have forgotten the gifts of generations of generations of the ah ha experience.
The exponential moments of enlightenment didn’t have to happen in a tub or with a tsunami.
But over time their effect has been building and a building and a building.
Think about it. What is today’s most valuable resource. Information
But Hey!,, information wants to be free. Info should be free.
It may take multimillions of dollars to develop a program or a computer chip
But only pennies to replicate it, So talk to me about scarcity.}
I say ah ha you say epiphany
I say ah ha you say epiphany
I say ah ha you say epiphany
Generations of ah ha built upon and built upon and build upon
Are our commons there to satisfy
So talk to me about scarcity
So talk to me about scarcity
So talk to me about scarcity
Marks need Corporate myths to pacify (them)
Marks need Corporate myths to pacify
Marks need Corporate myths to pacify.
So talk to me about scarcity
So talk to me about scarcity
So talk to me about scarcity
Love and info needs to be there freely
Love and info needs to be there freely
Love and info needs to be there freely
A billions bucks of R and D can be re spun for free.
A billions bucks of R and D can be re spun for free.
A billions bucks of R and D can be re spun for free.
So talk to me about scarcity
So talk to me about scarcity
So talk to me about scarcity
Regrettably, real scarcity is often manufactured just as myths of scarcity are (even scarcity of knowledge as the US pushes intellectual property "rights" around the globe).
However, what I believe really drives the most intense responses to the accumulation of wealth and power by others is the fear and hatred of domination. Thousands of years of history testify to the virtual inevitability of efforts at domination of others by those who have accumulated great wealth and power, and those who recognize that often develop extreme responses when confronted with evidence that such efforts at domination are underway (how ironic that a core meaning of "freedom" is freedom from domination and yet the term is used as cover for efforts at dominating others). And I cannot say that such predictable responses, however extreme they may be, are unreasonable or unjustified.
Sioux Rose
KIVALS: True words spoken, and of course the mega-wealth of the persons you speak about have allowed them to largely seize control of the mainstream media, appoint "the chosen" and allot them "expert" status, and set them free 24/7 to TELL (or should I say hypnotize) the American people what's good for them. Psychology majors studying the buzz words and subliminal suggestions that move large audiences indeed know which psychic buttons to press (freedom! patriotism!) and are given ample room and access to indeed press them. The wake up calls are issuing from nature, our economy, and the ripples of an obscene set of wars with no justifiable purpose...
This article was rather glib about the wealth aggregating upwards, and didn't for the most part mention why that is. It's hardly reflective of the law of nature for water to flow upwards, or wealth to trickle down.
Good points, Sioux Rose. As progressives, we need to work on creating our own buzz words and our own memes to spread throughout the population. For years, I have thought that one message that has the potential to be powerful is that those who hoard wealth are a threat to us all and are to be despised, not admired. This financial crisis provides progressives throughout the world a fertile ground in which to grow progressive ideas, and I hope we can make the most of it.
Sioux Rose
Hi, Kivals: Maybe a bumper sticker that just says "Promote simple pleasures." Or "pleasure is simple. Take a walk." Short-winded pithy tidbits that get people questioning their "more is better" over-extended lives of financial frenzy. I'll put this question of approach into my thinking hat...
Again and again I rant, with help from the author -
"Obama will have to rethink and deconstruct the whole War on Terror"
This is the key, folks. No progress will be made on any issue of our concern until this insane and unwinnable war is brought into the light of day and stopped. America is stuck in a war that has no victory and therefore no end (no one yet has explained how we obtain victory by 'preventing future terrorism'). Unchecked, this war will escalate until it consumes us all. It is, after all, a global war.
I repeat, no progressive concern can get past the roadblock of the 'war on terror'. National Security will trump freedom. Withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan won't happen as long as the military can find al-Qaeda, our announced enemy, to fight.
The military will stop fighting the war when they are ordered to do so. Congress doesn't care about us and the corporations want the deadly profits, which leaves Mr. Change Obama and the American people to bring America back to peace, when all progressive things are possible.
America can find the path to peace and discontinue being a nation at war. America needs to start by asking itself the hard questions and demanding answers about the 'war on terror', real answers and not just the 'more of the same' that have made this war a still-going concern after seven years.
Sharing is a concept which really needs more consideration, especially by those who immediately assume it implies taking money from your personal bank account and sending it oversees....it is not to do with this at all.
Sharing among nations. A highly sophisticated form of global barter and trade.
Sharing is essential, for jusice, for peace, for building trust among nations.
Wealthy nations sharing their excess with poor nations is something quite different than any system we've known as yet. Nations pooling their resources together and creating a more efficient form of distribution. It makes more sense than irrational, greedy, cut-throat competition with its speculation frenzy after frenzy.
BREAKING NEWS: A press release has gone out to all the major media around the world about a bright star to appear in the sky soon. A very enlightened teacher will soon begin speaking on TV about the urgent need to transform our society and save this planet through collective action. Sharing, he will say, is the key to all our problems.
www.WakeUpMankind.org
Can somebody provide a background on Mohammed Mesbahi-- the author of this article. It is good to hear a person writing about sharing and caring but not too sure on how this message is important to the european countries or to USA. Democracy flourishes in these countries (the recent election of Barack Obama proves that) so does the author expects more from these countries, while worldwide almost all countries are suffering under qutocratic rules (in the guise of either religion or politics).
Democracy flourishes? Is that what it is when we are offered only two candidates that have been accepted by the political machine, and other people who have public support aren't even allowed into debates?
Anyway, it's not just a matter of these countries giving more but also of taking less. How many economies of poor countries have been thrown into turmoil by crippling debt and forced harmful ecomomic readjustment, ie drop any barriers to foreign corporations flooding local markets or exploiting resources, brought on by the World Bank and IMF? Then there is the WTO which has given itself authority to disregard the sovereignty of a nation if its laws get in the way of corporate profit. I'm fine with the US and Europe not giving more to poor countries, as long as they are allowed to take care of themselves by actually using their own resources.
Touche! Excellent! The general populace is not likely to ever understand that the US is not a democracy ... only a system of pseudo democratic rule defined and constrained to such by a powerful, moneyed elite. Big Oil and Big Guns are part, but not all of the picture (problem). Anyway, who's to say democracy is the best form of government for a free citizenry? Not so.
Thanks, Serena!
The choice ahead is to inform and communicate online with everyone on our tiny planet and keep watching the truth emerge.
The Internet will set us free.
And if anyone really believes things will 'change' for the better under Obama - dream on.
But I could be wrong !
Harvey,
----Now that Obama has put a fiercely pro-Israel man in charge of the White House, the chances of a US turnaround in its backing of Israel's militarism in the Middle East are less than remote.----
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In the West corner we have representing the Judeo/Christian -- The USA !!!!!
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Stay tuned to Fox & CNN to get minute by minute promotional details !!!
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"Through the grassroots financing and immense support of the Obama campaign, the US has indicated what a true form of political participation can achieve"
That's the stinkingest load of Zionist kaka dumped in Common Dreams in weeks. The O'Bama construct was selected by the Zionist Masters of America, with no grass roots involvement. All hail to the godz of mammon. A child is born. In a sea of grass roots delusions, king of israel shall smile for the cameras while the elder priests run the machine. 300 million cogs in the machine, 100 million who actively voted for their own enslavement. Can we cut the flow of media lava and make this a people's revolution? Ehh? No can do?
"Will the American public be further mobilised to influence the necessary and momentous turnaround in global priorities that must inevitably be led by the United States?"
The USA is NOT the leader of planet Earth in the 21st century! Take a look! NOBODY embraces the old failed destructive ideas that originated in the USA. Almost all the people of the world have fully discarded the USA as irrelevant today. Sure the USA produces stuff that is great in certain narrow contexts, but in the big scheme of things those narrow contexts are quite irrelevant. In the big scheme, the USA doesn't produce, it destroys. The USA can't lead. The USA can't follow. The USA is paralyzed, in limbo, a deep deep funk today, and the replacement chimp ain't gonna pull it out. Let the world lead itself! This is a very exciting time for planet earth post USA headache!
I know this sentiment is not widely shared at CD, but I do believe that Bush deserves some credit for this. Maybe the Supreme Court, quite inadvertently, did the human race a favor back in December of 2000 (if all the harm caused in the past eight years is less than the future harm that will be prevented by the complete unmasking, which is unknowable of course).
I was drunk last night, but I'm pretty sure I heard Rachel Maddow saying that Goldman- Sachs made 28 BILLION in profits in 2008 while paying 1% in taxes.
And we poor serfs are shelling out billions for them to transfer to the Caymen Islands?
Soon they will own everything: all the money, all the property, all the rights.
The character of Milo Minderbinder was prophetic.
I have read all comments with interest. I have a few simple questions. Comparatively, how does the readers rate American democracy to the rest of the world.
Having a two party system or multi party system is not the issue here. Everybody has a right to stand for elections and also a right of free speech (the reason we can post such articles and comments are self explanatory).
The question once again is why does not the rest of the world at least have a similar functioning system and we work for that goal before we take up issues with the system in USA.
Why are voice not raised against dictatorship (in different guises - religious or otherwise) against many countries in the world including middle east, asian, europe etc....
Our democracy in USA at least affords us an platform to raise issues and public awareness for change and people do vote to make those changes. Recent voting trend proves that.
There would be blood suckers, charlatons, psychics etc.... unrecognisable characters who takes the system for a ride. But comparatively, Our country is doing better . Current government has been booted out because of its policies and it is left to the new government to make changes. So at least we have a hearing and voting rights and forums to express our feeling.
Isn't it better if we channelise all our energy in fighting for the rights of the minorities in other countries who does not have the same freedom as our minorities here.
Would welcome constructive comments. Again can somebody throw light on the author Mohammed Mesbahi.
Excuse me but we ain't got a real democracy. See, it's just a phoney set up. You're basically picking between two poisons. Both are the same, it's just that one's painted red and the other one's painted blue to fool you suckers. If that's "democracy" to you, then you're deluded.
So please tell me what is democracy. And which country it is being practised better than USA. Since you seem to enjoy criticising the US democracy, please do let me know the country which you feel has a better democracy that USA.
Let's see now. Democracy would not involve an ELECTORAL COLLEGE in the first place. Secondly, why are there more double standard restrictions against 3rd parties and why do you support the media and both parties shutting out 3rd parties from debates and even ballots via threats and frivolous lawsuits ? Correct those issues first and then you can preach about "spreading democracy" whereever you please.
People tend to mix up a lot of issues here on this forum to arrive at a comclusion that it is the policies of the rich countries (US and Europe) which has led to all the ills around the world..(poor countries getting poorer etc...).
Every country would love to protect its interest. The people in that country does the same protecting their interest. So the rich here uses all strategies to amass wealth at the expense of the middle class.. Lobbyist influence congress and finally nobody hears the middle class, but the poor people do get to exrcise their rights and when that is done... the politicians tend to be more careful. Otherwise the 'change' word would not have got Obama the power. Now we have to wait and see what he does.
But blaming USA for worldwide problems is apalling.
Look at Zimbabwe... is USA to blame for that countries problem. Middle east - Is USA the issue there. I realise everybody in this forum will throw the IRAQ word at me , but is Iraq the cause of all problems there. OK.. Israel is another word that will be thrown at me now. So problems in IRAQ and ISRAEL is stopping other countries to offer democracy to its citizens... IS THAT THE TRUTH!!!
Latin American countries... Again are the elected representatives there not capable enough to p[rovide safe democracy to its people.
Finally, USA was born with immigrants looking for a better way of life. And we are doing well so let us not be negative all the time and work towards spreading human rights to all other countries.
"Middle east - Is USA the issue there"
It wouldn't be if it weren't for the US begging them for OIL. If you really believed in the truth, you'd be fighting to legalize INDUSTRIAL HEMP for fuel and manufacturing so that your stupid government in Washington wouldn't be meddling with the Middle East.
"Latin American countries... Again are the elected representatives there not capable enough to p[rovide safe democracy to its people."
Wrong. People overwhelmingly elected their leaders even though you may not like them simply because they're not using puppets kissing your lazy butt. Democracy there is just fine even if the CIA is trying to destroy it.
"USA was born with immigrants looking for a better way of life."
Nope, the USA was formed from killing Natives and stealing their lands. You could save the Spanish did the same in Mexico and South America but that's another issue.
"And we are doing well so let us not be negative all the time and work towards spreading human rights to all other countries."
What planet are you from? You sure don't sound like you're in touch with reality. In fact, you sound more like a self-deluded idiot DIVORCED from reality thinking that everything's hunky dory and that Tinker Bell exists. You need to flush all that rightwing koolaid out of your system and detoxify yourself.
Democracy survives on civility and this seems to be lacking in your response.
From your reply i gather that 'latin american' countries are much more democratic in nature than USA. But the problems those countries are facing is due to USA or CIA. So the whole problem there stems from USA's meddling in their affairs. Why is such a strong democracy tottering (with unemployment, poverty etc... )..
I wanted to write more qbout Oil in middle east etc.. Alternate source of energy , USA stealing of lands etc... But why are we dwelling in old ages. What you said happened, happened more than 100 to 500 years ago. You and i can't change history, but at least can learn from it.
I would like to hear more about your definition of democracy. The countries which are currently following it and then we can discuss further.
Right now, i know that i have the freedom to speak, write and make a choice for myself be it religion or views. And off cource i am happy with that. I can listen to CNN, MSNBC, FOX and hear all views. I can listen to Al Jadeeda, or any news from any part. Nobody is forcibly trying to tell me what i should practise or what i should preach. So i love this country, but if there is an alternative then i would like to hear about that country and probably migrate. Because i like to do well for myself and if oppotunity provides i take it. At least i get to read different views including yourself and that itself is paradise for me.
"Democracy survives on civility and this seems to be lacking in your response."
You cannot expect civility when you have CHEATERS running the system. Dubya STOLE 2000 and 2004 and you know it. You cannot tell us that there is a "democracy" when there the media on the radio and tv are dominated by rightwing NAZIS and there are fewer moderates and liberals due to RIGGING the system in favor of the rightwingers. I may sound rough but it is LIARS such as yourself who are defending fascists on the Far Right with your rightwing bullshit. You're no more civil than any of us. If it weren't for ignorant pee brains such as yourself, Wall $treet wouldn't be crushing Main Street like this but would have been held accountable.
"Right now, i know that i have the freedom to speak"
That depends on where we're talking about. If you're a rightwinger, yeah but very limited if you're any other.
"I wanted to write more qbout Oil in middle east etc.. Alternate source of energy , USA stealing of lands etc... But why are we dwelling in old ages. What you said happened, happened more than 100 to 500 years ago."
Hemp wasn't banned until 70 years ago. Get your history lessons straight. Furthermore, if you want to write about it, then do it. Before you can talk about improvement, you have to know what happened in the past. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Tattoo it on your forehead.
"You and i can't change history, but at least can learn from it. "
I don't see you learning from it. Instead you want us to be dumb and dumber and simply shut up and pick between Poison A and Poison B. If you wanna call that "democracy", then you're deluded. Furthermore, you're the one who is for IGNORING history and in the process trying to drag us into another repeat of failure. We wouldn't be pissed off otherwise.
"I would like to hear more about your definition of democracy. The countries which are currently following it and then we can discuss further. "
And since you're begging for the definition, see my other reply. And by the way, name me one country that is excluding 3rd party candidates like the US other than the dictatorships where there is no election.
" I can listen to CNN, MSNBC, FOX and hear all views."
All views? Correction, all rightwing views. Nothing that's moderate or liberal.
"So i love this country, but if there is an alternative then i would like to hear about that country and probably migrate."
Any idiotic yankee self-reliant can bullshit about loving the country but one who really loves their country would actually push for reforms just like I and a lot of others do because the status quo stinks like sewer shit. Maybe that doesn't get through your corn-fed brain because you're too ignorant to understand. If you love the current status quo of giving tax breaks to the wealthy/corporate elite, reckless spending on the war turned occupation in Iraq, spoonfeeding Wall $treet with taxpayer money, borrowing from China, "free" trading this nation down the toilet, banning hemp and overtaxing solar and wind all the while oversubsidizing Big Oil and running resource wars for oil, etc ..., then be my guest. No, we're not gonna leave the country but a lot of us are gonna keep pushing to change the rotten to the core status quo whether you like it or not.
Hey, Dubya did not steal any election. The system worked for him. If he and his cronies managed to manipulate the system in their favor, let us be gracious enough to accept that the other party lost.
Is that not what Castro is trying to do in Venezuela. Trying to remove the term limit for governing by using the system for him. Every politician does the same.
In USA any Tom Dick and harry can stand for election, anywhere, anyplace and at any time(provided there is a seat vacant there). The problem is money. Now a days with the media playing a major role, people without resources will lose any elections.
Finally, it is a sign of democracy that people can call for reforms. That is why we expect the elected leader to deliver the goods. If they do not then take it to the people for change. And if the majority is won even by a single vote, then let us accept that winner and expect him/her to represent the whole populace.
Issues such as tax breaks, spending on IRAQ, bank rolling wall street etc... are issues which are in public forum and the current election may provide an answer to such issues-hopefully as per the voting majority's views which brought the current politicians to power
Thanks Serena for the update.
USA or other developed (rich) countries do not have to beg for oil from anybody. The oil industry is controlled by rich consortiums (european and American companies /groups, and they can source oil from any countries they want because of their techonogical, financial capability. The reason no alternate source of energy has been found in these rich countries are because oil is in plenty for the time being and they were making hay while the sun shines. But with the recent rise in fuel prices, there has been a popular outcry from the middle and lower class of these rich countries and probably in the near future we will see an alternate source of energy. Also these groups do have backing from all the rich and powerful lobby of the oil producing countries. The powerful people will remain in control irrespective of whichever countries they belong.
What is the use of the so called democracies in those latin american countries or asian countries or any other developing countries where human life is not worth a grain of salt. Corruption is rampant, poverty is high, money speaks, human rights vioaltion are in plenty.. etc.. etc...
I have lived in a few developing countries and really am appaled with the basic living amneties. I am not trying to make fun or insult anybody here. It is just that for a person of resources (mainly financial and political connection) these countries are paradise while for the majority of the other groups, it is a constant struggle for survival.
If CIA is so successful in creating chaos in those countries, how is it that other countries have not been able to create the same chaos in US or European countries with their resources. In USA we have a very diverse population. Mexicans , Blacks, chineese, asians, etc... are in plentiful (More than a million each). There is enough opposition in words and kinds to govt. policy here. The last 8 years of Bush policy has been soundly rebutted by the popular votes and now we have a black president with the middle name Hussein. I don't think any other country would ever have such an transformative election.
When the immigrants landed in US, yes they decimated the local Indian population. Now that was a long time back. Do i have to answer for all what happened centuries ago. What i can do is set the ball straight by trying to have a level playing field where everybody gets equal chances and opportunity to do well in life, be it white, yellow, blue, black, brown or any other races, any sex, male, female, gay, lesbian. Is that not what you too want. That everybody enjoys the prosperity of the nation and such things are equally shared. If i have to answer for what our forefathers did then that is not logical. I remeber that earlier Britian was the most dominant country in the world nand ruled almost every country. So does it mean the now British government should be held responsible for any colonial countries woes.
We people are normally racial bu nature. People do try to flock toghether based on their race, color and creed. so blaming any one individual or country seems far fetched.
Take Venezuala for example, a beautiful country. A oil producing country, the only non arab country in OPEC. Yes, they have a democratic governement and then what. IS it really all googy-goody there. Poverty is rampant, politicians are all corrupt, public utilities just barely works, normal people have to struggle to make ends meet. It is a paradise for rich people yes.
US is same like venezuala, except that the poverty rate is based on what car you drive, which house you live, and one's night life, brand product usage. A person who cleans street has a cra, house basic amneties.
We have been reading about human right violation in the past few years and we expect those issues to be addressed. But for a person like me, i feel confident that whatever happens initially, in the end i will always get justice. By chance, i fall on bad days, i am arrested, i know that i do have rights in the end which will protect my inteerst. Can i say the same thing about Venezuela. A poor guy picked up from street, will he have the same hiuman rights in general as we expect in USA.
It is easy and nice to bash USA for issues but what i suggest i sthat we do the same everywhere and not be discriminatory in approach.
CHINA, MIDDLE EAST AND MANY OTHER COUNTRIES have absolutely no freedom for people. And the world accepts that. While USA where a person really enjoys umpteen freedom, seems to be the butt of the jokes and criticism by everybody.
Finally, using vitriolic language is the sign of a person clutching for straws in discussion. You seem to have a good command of abusive language and that will not bring democracy.
If you feel that i am from a different planet, then prove it by engaging in a rationale discussion. Like you said Venezuela is a democracy. YEs, i agree with you but is it the best democracy. If points are to be awarded, which country will be a winner. When we talk about such issues, keep mind open. Think about lifestyle, amneties, freedom etc... and if we try to cloud issues with a biased view then there can be no discussion.
I am a migrant to US from a poor country. I had to struggle here, do everything possible to survive (clean plates, work in fields etc..)School education was free and i managed to do well. managed to attend college (took loans etc., worked two jobs) and finally now am doing well.
This is to dispel your notion that i am a caucasian. I am not white. Now when i travel internationally and look around, i feel for the people since they are governed by corrupt politicians.
The only good part i like is that there is opportunity for people from poor countries to make a life and carve out their career, if they are willing to work hard and if we can learn good things from rich democracies - good for us.