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The New Trough
The Wall Street bailout looks a lot like Iraq — a "free-fraud zone" where private contractors cash in on the mess they helped create
Editor's note: The online version of this story has been amended to reflect developments since the publication of the print edition.
On October 13th, when the U.S. Treasury Department announced the team of "seasoned financial veterans" that will be handling the $700 billion bailout of Wall Street, one name jumped out: Reuben Jeffery III, who was initially tapped to serve as chief investment officer for the massive new program.
On the surface, Jeffery looks like a classic Bush appointment. Like Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, he's an alum of Goldman Sachs, having worked on Wall Street for 18 years. And as chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission from 2005 to 2007, he proudly advocated "flexibility" in regulation - a laissez-faire approach that failed to rein in the high-risk trading at the heart of the meltdown.
Bankers watching bankers, regulators who don't believe in regulating - that's all standard fare for the Bush crew. What's most striking about Jeffery's résumé, however, is an item omitted when his new job was announced: He served as executive director of Paul Bremer's infamous Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad, during the early days of the Iraq War. Part of his job was to hire civilian staff, which made him an integral part of the partisan machine that filled the Green Zone with Young Republicans, investment bankers and Dick Cheney interns. Qualifications weren't a big issue back then, because the staff's main function was to hand over stacks of taxpayer money to private contractors, who were the ones actually running the occupation. It was this nonstop cash conveyor belt that earned the Green Zone a reputation, in the words of one CPA official, as "a free-fraud zone." During Senate hearings last year, when Jeffery was asked what he had learned from his experience at the CPA, he said he thought that contracts should be handed out with more "speed and flexibility" - the same philosophy he cited back when he was in charge of regulating Wall Street traders.
The Bush Administration has since reversed the Jeffery appointment, perhaps thinking better of giving a CPA alum such a central role in the Wall Street bailout. Still the original impulse underscores the many worrying parallels between the administration's approach to the financial crisis and its approach to the Iraq War. Under cover of an emergency, Treasury is rapidly turning into an economic Green Zone, overrun with private companies collecting lucrative contracts. Fittingly, one of the first to line up at the new trough was none other than the law firm of Bracewell & Giuliani - yes, that Giuliani. The firm's chairman, Patrick Oxford, could scarcely conceal his glee over the prospect of cashing in on the bailout. "This one," he told reporters, "is very, very big." At least four times bigger, in fact, than the post-9/11 homeland-security bubble, from which Giuliani and his various outfits have profited so extravagantly. Even bigger, potentially, than the price tag for the Iraq War itself.
In Iraq, the contractors were tasked with reconstructing the country from the mess made by U.S. missiles. After years of corruption born of no-bid contracts and paltry oversight, many Iraqis are still waiting for the lights to come back on. Today, a new team of contractors is lining up to reconstruct the U.S. economy - reconstruct it from the mess made by the very banks, brokers and law firms that are now applying for contracts. And it's not at all clear that America can survive their assistance.
See if any of this sounds familiar: As soon as the bailout was announced, it became clear that Treasury officials would hire outsiders to perform their jobs for them - at a profit. Private companies wanting to help manage the bailout were given just two days to apply for massive, multiyear contracts. Since it was such a mad rush - after all, the entire economy was about to implode - there was no time for an open bidding process. Nor was there time to draft rigorous rules to make sure that those applying don't have serious conflicts of interest. Instead, applicants were asked to disclose their conflicts and to explain - and this is not a joke - their "philosophy in fulfilling your duty to the Treasury and the U.S. taxpayer in light of your proprietary interests and those of other clients." In other words, an open invitation to bullshit about how much they love their country and how they can be trusted to regulate themselves.
The first major contract to be awarded in the bailout was for legal advice - and the choice Treasury made was Halliburton-esque in its audacity. Six law firms were invited to bid, but four declined, either because they didn't want the contract or because they had too many conflicts of interest. Rep. Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said the fact that so many law firms chose not to bid "shows that the guidelines are sufficiently rigorous."
Or it may just show that the bidder who won the contract - Simpson Thacher & Bartlett - takes a more relaxed approach to conflicts than its colleagues. The law firm is a Wall Street heavy hitter, having brokered some of the biggest bank mergers in recent years. It also provided legal support to companies trading mortgage-backed securities - the "financial weapons of mass destruction," as Warren Buffett called them, that detonated the banking industry. More to the point, it was hired to provide legal services to the Treasury in its negotiations to spend $250 billion of the bailout money purchasing equity in America's banks. The first stage of the plan involves buying stakes in nine of the country's top banks. Incredibly, Simpson Thacher has represented seven of the nine: JPMorgan, Bank of New York Mellon, Bank of America, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch.
According to its contract, Simpson Thacher has agreed not to represent any of the banks "against the U.S." when they negotiate with Treasury for the equity money. However, the firm has retained the right to represent banks when they apply for other parts of the $700 billion bailout not covered by its contract. (It has promised to erect a "firewall" to stem the flow of "confidential information" to those clients.) The firm will also continue to work for the banks on a range of other lucrative deals - and that's where the problem lies. Take Lee Meyerson, Simpson Thacher's lead lawyer on the bailout negotiations, who is specifically named in the contract as "essential" to the project. As the company's hotshot attorney, Meyerson has personally represented three of the nine banks that were bailed out in the first round, in addition to many others that will surely apply for cash injections. One of the bailed-out banks is Bank of New York Mellon, whose $29 billion merger Meyerson helped negotiate. Mergers like that can bill in the millions. Is Simpson Thacher able to put aside its loyalties to its biggest clients and negotiate deals for the taxpayer that could exact real costs from those very clients?
It might be possible to set aside concerns about divided loyalties if it were clear that Simpson Thacher is helping Treasury to wrangle the best deals possible for U.S. taxpayers. But the firm's first test - the deal to give $125 billion to the nine big banks to ease the "credit crunch" that is crippling the economy - wasn't exactly reassuring. Secretary Paulson promised that the banks won't just "hoard" the money - they will quickly "deploy it" through the economy in the form of badly needed loans. There is just one hitch: Neither Paulson nor Simpson Thacher got that "deploy" part in writing - nor did they put in place any mechanism to require the banks to spend their taxpayer billions. Apparently, the part about lending the money to homeowners and small businesses was sort of implied.
"There is no obligation for banks to lend the money one way or the other," Jennifer Zuccarelli, a Treasury spokeswoman, tells Rolling Stone. "But the banks have the understanding" that the money is intended for loans. "We're not looking to control their operations."
Unfortunately, many of the banks appear to have no intention of wasting the money on loans. "At least for the next quarter, it's just going to be a cushion," said John Thain, the chief executive of Merrill Lynch. Gary Crittenden, chief financial officer of Citigroup, had an even better idea: He hinted that his company would use its share of the cash - $25 billion - to buy up competitors and swell even bigger. The handout, he told analysts, "does present the possibility of taking advantage of opportunities that might otherwise be closed to us."
And the folks at Morgan Stanley? They're planning to pay themselves $10.7 billion this year, much of it in bonuses - almost exactly the amount they are receiving in the first phase of the bailout. "You can imagine the devilish grins on the faces of Morgan Stanley employees," writes Bloomberg columnist Jonathan Weil. "Not only did we, the taxpayers, save their company...we funded their 2008 bonus pool."
It didn't have to be this way. Five days before Paulson struck his deal with the banks, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown negotiated a similar bailout - only he extracted meaningful guarantees for taxpayers: voting rights at the banks, seats on their boards, 12 percent in annual dividend payments to the government, a suspension of dividend payments to shareholders, restrictions on executive bonuses, and a legal requirement that the banks lend money to homeowners and small businesses.
In sharp contrast, this is what U.S. taxpayers received: no controlling interest, no voting rights, no seats on the bank boards and just five percent in dividend payouts to the government, while shareholders continue to collect billions in dividends every quarter. What's more, golden parachutes and bonuses already promised by the banks will still be paid out to executives - all before taxpayers are paid back.
No wonder it took just one hour for Paulson to convince all nine CEOs to accept his offer - less than seven minutes per bank. Not even the firms' own lawyers could have drafted a sweeter deal.
The day after it met with the nation's top banks, Treasury announced that it had selected the firm that would receive the juiciest contract of all: that of "master custodian." The winning company will be to the bailout what Halliburton is to the military: the contractor of contractors. It will purchase toxic debts from Wall Street, service them and auction them off in the future - a so-called "end-to-end process." The contract is for a minimum of three years.
Seventy firms applied for the gig; the winner was Bank of New York Mellon. Describing the scope of the megacontract, bank president Gerald Hassell said, "It's the ultimate outsourcing - because the Federal Reserve and the Treasury do not have the mechanics to run the entire program, and we're essentially the general contractor across the entire program. It's going to cross our entire company."
This raises an interesting point: Has the Treasury partially nationalized the private banks, as we have been told? Or is it the other way around? Is it Treasury that has been partially privatized by Wall Street, its massive rescue plan now entirely in the hands of a private bank it is directly subsidizing?
Shortly after receiving the contract, Hassell told investors that his institution is now well-positioned to profit from the market meltdown. "There's a lot of new business that's going on even in this chaotic marketplace," he said, "and so some of those things have been very positive to us." Just how positive, we don't know, because Treasury has blacked out the 10 lines of the "master custodian" contract that reveal how much Bank of New York Mellon will be paid. Though Treasury says it will release the information eventually, the secrecy goes beyond anything the Bush administration attempted in Iraq. Even Halliburton's dodgy contracts came with price tags attached.
Still, when the terms of the contract do become public, they may turn out to be surprisingly modest. Goldman Sachs has apparently offered to fulfill at least one bailout contract for free. Altruism may not be their only motivation. The real money at stake in the bailout lies not in payment for the work but in how the work is done. Think about it: If you're the one selling your debts to the government, wouldn't you also want to help decide which debts are eligible and how much they're worth? "The financial firms with assets to sell are in many instances the same firms the Treasury will rely on to value and manage the assets it is buying," The New York Times observed. "That is an invitation for these firms to set the price too high or to indulge in other mischief at the taxpayers' expense."
Bank of New York Mellon has a bad record for mischief. It is embroiled in a $22.5 billion money-laundering lawsuit in Moscow and has been forced to pay out a $14 million settlement in a related case. Though the bank's "master custodian" contract with Treasury prohibits unethical conduct, the arrangement seems rife with opportunities for abuse. According to its most recent earnings report, Bank of New York Mellon holds $1.2 billion in subprime mortgage securities. That means that in addition to the $3 billion it will receive as part of the equity program, it will also be eligible to apply for taxpayer money from the program it is being paid to administer. Neither the bank nor Treasury would comment on this direct conflict of interest.
On the same day that he allocated the first $125 billion to the banks, Secretary Paulson announced the largest federal budget deficit in U.S. history. Buried in his statement was a preview of the next phase of the financial disaster. The deficit numbers, he declared, reinforce the need to "pursue policies that promote economic growth and fiscal responsibility, and address entitlement reform." He was referring to Americans who feel entitled to receive Social Security in their old age and Medicaid when they are sick. Those programs, Paulson implied, might not be able to survive the budget crisis he is currently creating for the next administration.
This is why the stakes of the bailout are so high: Unless we get a good deal, there will be nothing left over after the banks are done feeding to pay for the meager services now provided in exchange for taxation, let alone for the more ambitious initiatives promised on the campaign trail. The spiraling cost of saving Wall Street from its bad bets is already being used as an excuse for why we can't solve our many other crises, from health care to climate change.
There is a better way to fix a broken financial system. Treasury's plan to buy up the toxic debts never made sense and should be immediately scrapped - a move that would also handily get rid of most of the crony contractors. As for purchasing equity in banks, the next round of deals - and there will be more - has to start from the premise that the banks are bankrupt and will therefore accept whatever terms we choose to impose, including real regulatory oversight. The possibilities of what could be done if a chunk of the banking system were genuinely under public control - from a moratorium on home foreclosures to mandatory investment in green community redevelopment - are limitless.
Because here is what George Bush and Henry Paulson are hoping we won't figure out: When a society no longer has enough money to pay for its most pressing needs, there are worse things than discovering you own the banks.
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Show AllObama must move beyond traditional class politics, starting with the economy.
No more bail outs for the crooks, corporate thieves and the Democratic party rejected the majority which was opposed to the Bail out. Pelosi, Obama, and the democrats threw away 800 Billion dollars, they suddenly found, that could pay for Health care, single payer system and job stimulus along the lines of FDR minus the global war to save capitalism.
Obama then must prosecute these swindlers, and also set up a special prosecutor for both war criminals, corporate criminals as the two went hand in hand to produce our corporate fascist economic system. He cannot keep putting in right wing hacks like Rahm Emanuel, Dennis Ross, his Middle east advisor, Colin Powell the LIAR who took us into war, all part of the problem, he needs to get rid of these class elites and put in people like Michael Ratner who will go after these crooks, war criminal, by giving him the job of Attorney General.
Thank you for your informative article Naomi. You are truly a great American. “Pro” your point is well taken however we must go beyond the current crisis and plan ahead.
Barrrack hopefully already is planning our healthcare program for all Americans. So we should utilize this economic crisis to build, train , and supply our future health care needs. We should be building clinics expanding our funding of our medical universities to train more doctors, nurses, and other healthcare professionals.
Rather than dumping hundreds of billions into the failed auto industry, invest in funding for building the necessary health care equipment so all our hospital and medical clinic have the newest and best equipment. Once the economies of scale kick-in we could supply the world with inexpensive healthcare equipment. I’m no machinist but running a CNC machine is basically the same whether you are building a car door or a medical equipment cart. There would be many high tech computer programing and computer chip manufacturing jobs. There would be good high paying union jobs and the workers would need no retraining.
All Americans would be happier because we could see the way to a brighter future, the future we voted for…change..
Naomi Klein is a Canadian albeit the daughter of an American who moved to Canada to resist the draft.
It interesting that amongst our most politically active up here in Canada, are the war resisters and or their Children. Leastways that my impression.
Reading what you have said makes me question your credulity. Don't you get it? Mr. Obama is one of the same group. He has just appointed some of the same group of shysters who helped bring us this problem. He is and has been one of them.
Why are you so willfully ignorant?
.Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda
It seems to me that this stuff is too easily being dismissed as "typical Bush administration policies and practices", and folks are unexcited because here comes the new sheriff, riding over the horizon on his hypoallergenic steed....
Well, what if this isnt Bush but is endemic to the govt? What if our new sheriff makes no attempt to alter this boondoggle and enormous giveaway and free access to our Treasury? I seem to remember Senator Obama rushing back to Washington to help speed this through the Senate. I noted, in his first press conference Friday, that he stood before a gaggle of familiar faces, Wall Street hands all....
Where is our Greek Chorus when needed, where is the much gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
And Obama twisted arms so people would vote for the bail out.
The bailout was passed and made possible by democrats.
I hate to burst the "change" bubble here, but Obama is doing the same thing Bush did. He is surrounding himself with professionals in their trade who believe that the idea of "conflict of interest" is the best way to resolve any issue.
The next thing they are doing, is simply expanding the current model of operation. Instead of just the military industrial complex and oil making out like bandits, the medical, insurance and other not so well represented companies need time at the feeding trough.
Why not use common sense. When the Pentagon can tell the nation year after year it has no idea what happened with TRILLIONS of dollars of money, when Banks can rape, loot and pillage, and then be given more money as a punishment, "we have a serious problem Houston"!
Common sense says that if there is a problem you identify the problem, then find ways to resolve them. How did house prices get artificially inflated, then deflated. How does a bank loan money to a home owner, then sell that loan to another financial institution in a way that we cannot determine if it is a good loan or a bad one. What kinds of regulation allowed this to happen, and how do we fix it.
Instead we have a solution of, lets take 700 Billion dollars in money we do not have, borrow that from the Federal Reserve which is not a federal bank but a private bank owned and operated for profit by the very folks that are telling us how to resolve the issue by borrowing the money. We as tax payers will then pay interest on this 700 Billion dollars which will be pocketed by the folks that created the mess to begin with. Oh and the money we borrowed, goes to the same people who created the mess.
The sad thing is that this was even proposed, worse that its actually being allowed to happen, and the worst yet is that every nation on the face of the earth is sitting around calling Americans the most stupid people on earth as we sit around watching Fox news, American Idol, and eating the crap our so called leaders are cramming down our throats.
"Instead we have a solution of, lets take 700 Billion dollars in money we do not have, borrow that from the Federal Reserve which is not a federal bank but a private bank owned and operated for profit by the very folks that are telling us how to resolve the issue by borrowing the money. We as tax payers will then pay interest on this 700 Billion dollars which will be pocketed by the folks that created the mess to begin with. Oh and the money we borrowed, goes to the same people who created the mess."
Spot on comment. And yet, we are not hanging the bastards from the nearest lamp posts. Privately, they MUST be laughing their asses off at us. There are 300 million of US and a few thousand of THEM. Yet we let them continue to rape us.
-- EKATON --
Yes, that paragraph is well worth quoting.
It is obscene. What is worse is the reaction of the press and the Public. They might voice indignation for a while, but nothing will change.
It is all about perception. The strategy seems to be to throw something totally off the wall out there such as "hey lets give 800 billion dollars of taxpayer money to the richest Americans" to the smoke and mirrors debate about how worong it is and how unfair it is.
Then come back with a revised and tougher plan. A plan that still gives all that money to the richest Americans....but with mean nothing "restrictions" to prove how diligent they are with tax payer money.
Suddenly the taxpayer is happy. Americans suffer from a collective Attention deficit disorder.
Exactly!
And as far as our ADD is concerned, it's even worse because now we don't even have the money for the drugs to treat it! I suppose the drug companies will be the next ones lining up for a bailout ...
Aquifer November 9th, 2008 8:40 pm
"And as far as our ADD is concerned, it's even worse because now we don't even have the money for the drugs to treat it! I suppose the drug companies will be the next ones lining up for a bailout ..."
I don't know about them asking for a bailout but Pfizer, one of the big pharmas announced the other day that they are moving their operation out of the U.S.
Lobo Gris
Just as an aside, gains on stock sales of corporations not based in the US should not receive capital gains tax "discounts."
In fact, we should reduce capital gains tax discounts based on the percentage of US employees versus non-US employees. If a company employs 75% of its employees outside the US, investors in this company would lose 75% of their capital gains discount.
While we're at it, capital gains should not be taxed at rates lower than earned income.
I often mused about just buying off the neocons. If we could say "Look, it is obvious you don't give a shit about this country or the planet, for that matter. Rather than start another war or blow up some more buildings or drown another city, how much would it take to just make you guys go away?"
I have a feeling it's something like $700 billion...
The best way to solve the economic problem is to stop all funding for the war on terror. With the troops home and being effectively taken care of, the country can begin to heal and recover from the past eight years. All the money saved is passed on to middle class homeowners and small businesses who are in danger of losing their livelihoods. America needs to strengthen its backbone, not its ego. The American middle class built and shoulders what is America today. The losing of homes, businesses, and pensions is what needs to be fixed first. Money poured into the top is coming from the pockets of an already hard hit middle class. The government has allowed and even legalized corporate America to collect from the middle class to pay for their mismanagement and criminal actions. Without a healthy stable middle class to support its economic needs, American corporations are outsourcing and privatizing to cut losses. Pumping more money into corporations or creating and funding more government agencies will only continue to add to the burden of the middle class. America is broke. In both senses of the word. We got too top heavy and we took a tumble. The head was wearing a helmet but the backbone was unprotected. America has a broken back and no medical coverage. But the head still doesn’t understand that the backbone came before the head.
Hoa binh
and stop the inane war on drugs, as well!
"no gods, no masters" --m. sanger
I am extremely happy to report to you that we are not broke yet. The debt collector is at the door though, but if we are broke the rest of the world is in debtors prison.
Your comments on the middle class and what we should be doing are excellent.
Hoa binh
Thomas More November 9th, 2008 7:35 pm
"I am extremely happy to report to you that we are not broke yet."
You will see how broke we really are soon. The budget deficit alone next year is now expected to be at least 1.2 trillion. We are already 10 trillion in debt and Paul Krugman, in an interview yesterday was advocating spending another trillion in economic stimulus, not to create prosperity but just to limit the damage created by the current economic crisis. The 700 billion that was just allocated? It is already being acknowledged as a bust. The 150 billion that was spent to send out 600 dollar checks to everybody earlier in the year? Down the drain spent buying Chinese goods and stimulating their economy but not our own.
Someone mentioned an 11 trillion dollar economy. Don't think so with an economy that is hemorrhaging jobs, nearly a quarter million last month alone, and is based 70% on consumer spending. The auto industry, which with its suppliers employs two million, is closing plants and laying people off as fast as they can because they are on the verge of bankruptcy. GM says they may not have enough operating money to keep the doors open until the end of the year.
Lobo Gris
.Actually those checks to the working class caused a significant, albeit temporary, bump in our economic slide. It illustrated rather well the lie of Bush and Reagan "trickle down" nonsense. Money dispersed among the wealthy disappears while the same amount given back to the middle and working classes finds its way immediately to the economy..
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
ardee November 10th, 2008 6:29 am
"Actually those checks to the working class caused a significant, albeit temporary, bump in our economic slide"
You're right, there was a temporary bump, but it didn't kick start the economy because there was no multiplier effect. It didn't get people called back from layoffs or get increased production in factories which in turn would have created more spending because the money went to China and other overseas low wage unregulated areas of the world where most goods are made now.
Lobo Gris
Our economy is better positioned to restart than any others I see and economically we are better off than most of the rest.
No mistake its going to be a rough ride and its going to hurt when the economic downturn really starts.
Jobs for American workers are what we need. I agree with you both about the futility of passing out money like that, or to banks either.
We need industry, manufacturing, jobs that have a multiplier effect. Stop rewarding companies that move jobs to low wage countries. Stimulus? Make it worthwhile for small business to go to work. Quit opening our market to countries that don't reciprocate with fair trade deals. Give tax breaks for solar panel retrofits, etc. Take care of Americans first, not corporate America.
Thomas More November 10th, 2008 12:55 pm
"We need industry, manufacturing, jobs that have a multiplier effect. Stop rewarding companies that move jobs to low wage countries. Stimulus? Make it worthwhile for small business to go to work. Quit opening our market to countries that don't reciprocate with fair trade deals. Give tax breaks for solar panel retrofits, etc. Take care of Americans first, not corporate America."
I definitely agree with the above. As for whether we are better positioned to restart than other countries, I think that is questionable.
Lobo Gris
.For you and Thomas also:
I am somewhat of a globalist, frankly. I believe that this little blue ball will continue to welcome human life only if we all figure out how to work in concert to protect it so it continues to nurture us. I believe that, in the future of course, a world govt will be a necessity. I do understand that this is not a popular view nor is my opinion that the loss of jobs this nation has experienced is due to the beginnings of a re-balancing of the wealth of this planet.
For most of our time on this planet we have seen a situation wherein some lead lives of grand luxury and most do not. The third world was exploited most cruelly in order to maintain an artificial level of life. Even the poorest in the west lead lives beyond the abilities of those in much of the world. Now we see an emergence of this third world into the industrial revolution. Granted, our corporations are using cheap labor and little regard for environmental or safety concerns in places where ten cent an hour jobs are golden. In short I believe that manufacturing jobs simply aren't coming back here.
This nation has moved beyond manufacture to a service oriented economy. We sell technology and know how now, not widgets. The hardships to our people is not one I take lightly but , rather than try to overcome cheap wages, no unions and the rest of what the third world offers we should begin to think about how to convert our economy to its new orientation. Education of our work force to find places in the emerging technological industries that govt money must seed is the way...Look, Im a hard lefty ( just ask Thomas) but , if I owned a factory and was offered a way to treble my profits I'd certainly find it rather attractive, wouldnt you?
Talking about penalizing off-shored industry with tariffs and the like is certainly a conversation worth having, as is disallowing govt contracts to firms not based here. But I believe the best conversation about this economy must begin with the understanding that our mills and factories just ain't coming back. Further, once unions find their new niche among these newly industrialized nations, once environmental groups take root there as well we will really see some fur flying. But thats the stuff of another conversation...
So, let the criticisms commence.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
That is a globalist view and I don't believe its critical to disagree as to timing. I'd agree with your one world view, but its far in the future.
"Look, Im a hard lefty ( just ask Thomas)"
I don't believe you are hard left, you don't hate America and you don't want to destroy it, nor do you blame every evil in the world on her. Radical yes, hard left...I don't think so.
"This nation has moved beyond manufacture to a service oriented economy."
Its a popular view, I don't believe it. Any country that doesn't manufacture cannot maintain its self.
"But I believe the best conversation about this economy must begin with the understanding that our mills and factories just ain't coming back."
That is also said a lot, but I don't believe that either. Change the trade laws, the trade agreements to favor it and it will stop. Tax their overseas profits weither they bring them home or not.
"if I owned a factory and was offered a way to treble my profits I'd certainly find it rather attractive, wouldnt you?"
Absolutely. But that has been happening because we allow our corporations to do it and still market here as if they are US entities. If your factory is overseas, then your product is an import, no matter the ownership.
"Talking about penalizing off-shored industry with tariffs and the like is certainly a conversation worth having, as is disallowing govt contracts to firms not based here."
You bet your sweet Bippy it is. Start treating these folks as foreign companies. Take care of American workers first. That is the one thing McCain had right, America first.
That wasn't too critical was it!
.Wait a hold it!
Torquemada :
I don't believe you are hard left, you don't hate America and you don't want to destroy it, nor do you blame every evil in the world on her. Radical yes, hard left...I don't think so.
A pilloried radical:
This is simply a myth promoted by the right. Lefties love this nation every bit as much as do you guys. There is stridency on both sides of course, please be fair Cardinal T.
"It is an inaccuracy to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common decency and common honesty. This makes me forever ineligible for any political office." HLMencken
Heres one from one of those godless, hating lefties:
"While there is a lower class, I am in it;
While there is a criminal element, I am of it;
and while there is a soul in prison I am not free."
Eugene V. Debs
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Sorry, the hard left that I am talking about would destroy America tomorrow if given the chance. Its no myth. I have met these folks.
Sorry, you aren't one of them.
Not believing in God has nothing to do with the left as well you know.
So...that makes you a rational radical! HA! Who else would quote
Milton Friedman?
.So...that makes you a rational radical! HA! Who else would quote
Milton Friedman?
Errr, perhaps his nephew????
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais NinSo...
Milton didn't have a nephew, everyone knows he was born by sponteaneous combustion or at best by rubbing two dollar bills together.
The Federal Treasury has been privatized and we need to take it back.
Consider these revealing questions from Klein's Rolling Stone article "The Bailout Profiteers": "Has the Treasury partially nationalized the private banks, as we have been told? Or is it the other way around? Is it [the] Treasury that has been partially privatized by Wall Street, its massive rescue plan now entirely in the hands of a private bank it is directly subsidizing?" The secrecy of the bailout contract, the outsourcing of bailout administration, the lack of regulatory oversight and the open-endedness of the contract tell us it is the latter.
This is not the beginning of the privatization of the Treasury, however, though it has the potential of hastening the completion of it. The foundation of Treasury privatization is the Federal Reserve Act. The private control of the money supply and of monetary policy which that Act established should be understood as the proximate cause of this financial crisis. Therefore that Act should be repealed. With the Treasury reclaiming its constitutionally guaranteed authority to create interest-free money (rather than paying interest to borrow it from the private Federal Reserve) the affordability of our desired policy changes increases dramatically. We should all be asking "Why are we paying private bankers billions of dollars to create money and loan it to us when we could be creating it for ourselves for free?"
Stopping the bailout profiteers, who are really just the new generation of federal banking profiteers, is just a matter of reclaiming government authority over money creation and monetary policy. This requires repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and nationalization or elimination of the Federal Reserve Banking system. Our hopes for democracy depend upon it.
I agree Jim,
Naomi says "The possibilities of what could be done if a chunk of the banking system were genuinely under public control - from a moratorium on home foreclosures to mandatory investment in green community redevelopment - are limitless."
It is not limitless if the Treasury can't pay the interest on the growing debt which is a few years away at the present exponential rocketing of National debt.... The banks know this and that is why the panic is so deep and Hank Paulson looks lost.
Naomi has a better analysis than most and is smarter than me but I can't see creating more debt just to bailout the banks who follow the rules of the usurious ponzi Federal Reserve. But a chunk of the bad banks debt does not stop the controlling bank, The Fed, from robbing us of our own money, in fact it just encourages more of the same..
All Bailouts add to our Debt thus making borrowing harder than ever.
It is just simple math and eventually the people will have to take ownership of our own monetary policy.
a New Deal has to Deal with the FED.... Just simple math!
War is expensive and Peace is priceless.
.Our GNP is about eleven trillion, our payments about 40 percent of that, which many economists think is fine. Facts are better than unsupported opinion.
I do agree that the profiteering on this bailout is both inevitable and awful. Why then did Obama support it so completely?
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Our Payments to what?
"Many economists" think what is fine? Our debt is more than 11 trillon...If that is fine with you, maybe it was fine with Obama too.
Obama is not president yet, so he can do nothing about it until next year.
As he said we have only one president at a time and it is obvious you just don't like him no matter what any economist says because You see things not as they are but as you are.
.You are rapidly becoming a worthless source of posting. Is that what you had in mind, Glover? Try and keep your absurd and stupidly off course remarks in check, they have no value in the debating process. The GNP is our income dumbshit not our debt, our payment on the debt is forty percent of that figure. Have an adult with an actual brain sit you down and figure out your gross income and all your expenses for the year and see if you come in at about forty percent of gross, I doubt you even come close , perhaps 70-80 percent if you are very frugal.
When every damn criticism of your own personal reality brings forth insult and stupidity perhaps it is time for you to reevaluate yourself and not the politics of others.
Of course a reasonable person might take a half hour with a decent search engine and discover that he knows less than he thought he did, try it, and you might stop this slide into clowndom.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
ardee, I learned about GNP in College.
All I was saying is that if as you say "some econmists think that is OK", I don't think it is OK.
that is my point.
Here are the real numbers for everyone to see, no it is not OK and thanks for reminding me to check the facts.
I learned the liabilites (hidden debt) makes it much worse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_States
As of June 2008, the gross U.S. external debt was over $13 trillion,[10] the most external debt of all countries in the world.[11] The 2007 estimate of the United States public debt was 65% of GDP.[12] As of October 1, 2008, the total U.S. federal debt exceeded $10 trillion[13], about $31,700 per capita. Including unfunded Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, and similar promised obligations, the government liabilities rise to a total of $59.1 trillion, or $516,348 per household.[citation needed][14]
Your anger and name calling will get you nowhere and your tag at the end of every post makes you sound like you are the only one who sees things as they are.... Do you think that is part of your anger?
.My anger stems from your attacks upon posts that contained no insult. I respond in kind to folks like you. Speak to my posts and we will dialogue just fine. When you call any criticism of the plans and appointments of our new President_Elect "hatred of him" I think you ignorant and biased.
As to the debt, we are repaying that debt using forty percent of our yearly income, as I noted. Economists seem to find this acceptable.Of course we owe far too much, of course we spend like drunken sailors on things we should curtail and fail to have enough left to spend on what we need. However, and it is important to remember, we are not out of our depth in our ability to pay down this debt. Remember, Clinton balanced our budget in less than eight years, and our debt was damn high then too.
As to the Nin quote as my sig line, well, I guess it might mean anything to anyone, I like what it means to me, and your reaction to it is similar to your reaction to other things, wrongheaded and childish.
We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Ok you don't like my posts.
You see things as you are and that is fine.
You also peaked my interest in Anais Nin.
Which is childish of course, but she said other interesting things as well::
"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage."
"This diary is my kief, hashish, and opium pipe. This is my drug and my vice."
"...for no one has ever loved an adventurous woman as they have loved adventurous men."
"And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom."
"I do not want to be the leader. I refuse to be the leader. I want to live darkly and richly in my femaleness. I want a man lying over me, always over me. His will, his pleasure, his desire, his life, his work, his sexuality the touchstone, the command, my pivot. I don’t mind working, holding my ground intellectually, artistically; but as a woman, oh, God, as a woman I want to be dominated. I don’t mind being told to stand on my own feet, not to cling, be all that I am capable of doing, but I am going to be pursued, fucked, possessed by the will of a male at his time, his bidding."
"How wrong is it for women to expect the man to build the world she wants, rather than set out to create it herself."
"I postpone death by living, by suffering, by error, by risking, by giving, by losing."
"Each friend represents a world in us, a world not possibly born until they arrive, and it is only by this meeting that a new world is born."
"I am an excitable person who only understands life lyrically, musically, in whom feelings are much stronger as reason. I am so thirsty for the marvelous that only the marvelous has power over me. Anything I can not transform into something marvelous, I let go. Reality doesn't impress me. I only believe in intoxication, in ecstasy, and when ordinary life shackles me, I escape, one way or another. No more walls."
"Something is always born of excess: great art was born of great terror, great loneliness, great inhibitions, instabilities, and it always balances them."
"Love never dies a natural death. It dies because we don't know how to replenish its source. It dies of blindness and errors and betrayals. It dies of illness and wounds; it dies of weariness, of withering, of tarnishing."
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So Cheer up, things could be worse.
".Ok you don't like my posts."
Still not getting it! What I don't like is your insistence that, because I criticize the words or deeds of Barack Obama you say I "hate him". That is unecessary and says volumes about you and little about my intent or my politics. It also allows you rather easy avoidance to some basic facts you should really be considering when placing allegiances.
I exchange ideas and ideals with several on this forum, some of whom do not share my politics, some who are my polar opposites in fact. But we stick to the facts in the posts and keep the assumptions to a minimum, especially stupid ones.
I have persisted in this dialogue because, unlike some others in this forum, I find you worth the effort. I have never tried to maintain an exchange with the execrable 'translucent' or the really dumb 'outofcontrolZ' for example. They got nothing!
Nin is an interesting and complicated person, her diaries, both the early expurgated one and the unexpurgated version published after her death in which she revealed some really sordid stuff about affairs with her father and Henry Miller shocked her fans and shook those who regarded her as a feminist icon. I still do.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Well, I don't get it because I am not insisting that you hate Obama... I am glad you don't.
And I am glad you are not calling me Names again and I agree Anais is a very interesting Person.
Peace
Peace to both you guys.
Thank You.
.Your very first response to me contained exactly those words, exactly! "because you hate him".
Dont do it again please and we will dialogue just fine.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
I'm not sure he wasn't stampeded into it, much like many others. Sort of like an ambush. But we all make mistakes and this was one.
Thomas More:
He wasn't "stampeded" into it, he actively supported it to the point of personally contacting members of the Black Congress. Caucus and encouraging them to change their votes from NO (Mon.) to YES (Fri.) If you want to know why just check out who the biggest donors to his campaign were and see who he is surrounding himself with as economic advisors. His choice for Treas. Sec. will be interesting.
I hope that his vote on this bailout is not forgotten and he will have to answer for it as others had to answer for their pro-war votes in '02; the parallels are indeed striking
Yep....Goldman Sachs and The University I believe were the top two. I suspect Volker possibly.
If this is his only mistake this year I'll be happy. Still waiting for cabinet appointments. And remember, the money hasn't been disbursed yet...there is hope. Oops, there come GM and Ford.....
His only mistake! Thomas, this was just the latest, but perhaps most egregious, in a fairly long line of "mistakes". There is a pattern here, in case you hadn't noticed. We can't afford any more of his "mistakes".
In fact, so I understand, while we were busily congratulating ourselves on how wonderful we are for having elected him, a great deal of money has been disbursed. That is what makes his, and the others', vote so disastrous. He voted to give money to a regime that he knew would spend it lickety-split. His Wall Street friends will get all the cash and he can blame it on Bush.
Sorry, but as much as the Dems were equally responsible for the war, they, himself included, are equally responsible for this unprecedented looting of the Treasury. If someone ever has the guts to really lay this out, I do believe his friends, including his probable choice for Tres. Sec., if not he himself, as well as Rep. bigwigs, will make Teapot-Dome look like a tea party.
Darn, don't hold back....if you don't like him, just speak up! (LOL)
I didn't decide to vote for the guy till the last few weeks so I won't be defending anything he said or did before. I'll just continue to wait and see what he does when it counts. And I'll throw in an occasional, give the guy time to prove himself, one way or the other.
You and others could be right, then again, maybe not. We will see.
Chris Floyd has a spendid idea (Chris Floyd, CounterPunch, Nov. 5):
When Obama and the Democrat majority do something - you know like saber rattling, giving away your money to giant corporations, attacking other countries - ask yourselves:
"WHAT IF BUSH DID IT? What if this was Bush Policy? What would you be saying about it?
Of course, we'll need an open, intelligent mind to do this. Are we up to it?
What if they do something Bush clearly wouldn't have done. Will your mind still be open then?
Are you open to the possibility of change?
The smoke and mirrors has another aspect. The globalization IMF/WB branch of activity is still behind massive infrastructure projects worldwide. Monoculture, mining, petrol and irrigation of millions of hectares sucking rivers dry compounded with hydroelectric dams that have nearly zero social and ecological conscience and generate massive unemployment, urban overpopulation, loss of diversity, etc... the list goes on.
What is top heavy is the transnational industrial/financial model seeing itself as god. cultivating the 'player' wannabes and drawing on the arms industry to toy with the chaos.