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Needed for This Election: A Great Rejection
It could be a start -- a clear national rejection of the extreme right-wing brew that has saturated the executive branch for nearly eight years.
What's emerging for Election Day is a common front against the dumbed-down demagoguery that's now epitomized and led by John McCain and Sarah Palin.
A large margin of victory over the McCain-Palin ticket, repudiating what it stands for, is needed -- and absolutely insufficient. It's a start along a long uphill climb to get this country onto a course that approximates sanity.
McCain's only real hope is to achieve the election equivalent of drawing an inside straight -- capturing the electoral votes of some key swing states by slim margins. His small window of possible victory is near closing. Progressives should help to slam it shut.
Like it or not, the scale of a national rejection of McCain-Palin and Bush would be measured -- in terms of state power and perceived political momentum -- along a continuum that ranges from squeaker to landslide. It's in the interests of progressives for the scale to be closer to landslide than squeaker.
As McCain's strategists aim to thread an electoral-vote needle, it cannot be said with certainty that they will fail. Who can credibly declare that an aggregate of anti-democratic factors -- such as purged voting rolls, onerous requirements for voter ID, imposed obstacles to voting that target people of color, inequities in distribution of voting machines, not counting some votes as they are cast, anti-Obama racism and other factors -- could not combine to bring a "victory" resulting in a President McCain and a Vice President Palin come Jan. 20, 2009?
Under these circumstances, the wider the real margin for Obama over McCain, the less likely that McCain can claim sufficient electoral votes to become president.
Progressives are mostly on board with the Obama campaign, even though -- on paper, with his name removed -- few of his positions deserve the "progressive" label. We shouldn't deceive ourselves into seeing Obama as someone he's not. Yet an Obama presidency offers the possibilities that persistent organizing and coalition-building at the grassroots could be effective at moving national policy in a progressive direction. In contrast, a McCain presidency offers possibilities that are extremely grim.
Some progressives, as a matter of principle, have come to a different conclusion. They're eager to cast their votes for a presidential candidate (Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney) who can't win.
Of course people's votes are entirely their own, to do with as they see fit. But the right to do something is distinct from the wisdom of doing it.
Last week, a mass email from the Nader for President 2008 campaign began by telling supporters: "Ralph Nader is at 5 percent in The Show Me State -- Missouri. And he's moving up. That's according to the most recent CNN/Time Missouri poll." The celebratory tone of the message was notable. Nader was polling at 5 percent in a crucial swing state -- where polls showed that McCain and Obama were in a dead heat. No wonder, on the same day as the email message, McCain spoke at rallies in suburbs of St. Louis and Kansas City.
Nader's potential effect on the election may be too small to increase the chances of a McCain victory. But from all indications, even if McCain and Obama were tied in polls across the country, the Nader campaign would be proceeding as it is now. What does that tell us about the logic of pressing forward with a vanguard approach even if it might serve the interests of right-wing forces that most progressives are straining to roll back in this election?
From the 1960s through the '90s, Ralph Nader had an unparalleled record of fighting for progressive reform. But the 2008 campaign of Nader and running-mate Matt Gonzalez has a frozen-in-time quality. Their campaign makes an electoral argument that focuses largely on Democrats, not Republicans. Much of Nader's pitch for votes is centering on the charge that Democrats are as corporate and compromised as ever -- and in many ways he's right. But he ignores the reality that Republican leaders keep getting worse and more right-wing; they are clearly more dangerous than many assumed a decade ago.
The historical trend is clear: Bush-Cheney have been further right and more reckless than even Newt Gingrich, who was further right than Ronald Reagan, who was further right than his Republican predecessors. And Palin speaks for herself.
My former co-author Jeff Cohen puts it this way: "Focusing on Democratic corruption is not the problem. The problem is developing an electoral strategy that fails to acknowledge how increasingly extremist Republicans are. It reminds me of that George Carlin joke: ‘Here's a partial score from the West Coast -- Dodgers 5.' An electoral strategy has to assess the current positions of BOTH teams."
At this point, is an Obama victory a cinch? Maybe not. Consider this New York Times reporting published on Oct. 24: "Pollsters say there has never been a year when polling has been so problematic, given the uncertainty of who is going to vote in what is shaping up as an electorate larger than ever. While most national polls give Mr. Obama a relatively comfortable lead, in many statewide polls, Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain are much more closely matched. Even a small shift in the national number could deliver some of the closer states into the McCain camp, making an Electoral College victory at least possible."
In fact, it's possible that Obama could win a clear victory in the popular vote while McCain manages to claim enough electoral votes to move into the White House. Crucial to such an outcome would be Missouri (which, as the Times notes, "has been a bellwether in every White House race during the last century except 1956"). Is taking that risk worth the satisfaction of getting a couple percent of the vote for Ralph Nader for president in 2008?
The Nader campaign actually seems to be gunning for swing states in the stretch drive of the campaign, as if to maximize the chances that the Nader-Gonzalez ticket could be a factor in how the electoral votes end up being divided. Last week the Nader campaign announced that, beginning on Oct. 28, "Mr. Nader will make his final rounds campaigning in traditional swing states Florida, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania."
All year, the Nader campaign has been asking rhetorical questions such as (in the words of an Oct. 22 press advisory): "Why is it that so-called liberals and progressives continue to support Democratic candidates like Obama whose campaign slogans and rhetoric do not match their stated positions and voting records?"
And: "Why do we progressives continue to delude ourselves that we stand for core, liberal values and then work for candidates who demonstrate that they have no commitment to these values?"
This fall, the answers to these largely valid questions revolve around a truth that trumps many others: A McCain-Palin administration would be such a disaster that we want to do what we can to prevent it.
When I've spoken to dozens of audiences during the two months since the Democratic National Convention (where I was an elected Obama delegate), there's been an overwhelmingly positive response when I make a simple statement about Obama and the prospects of an Obama presidency: "The best way to avoid becoming disillusioned is to not have illusions in the first place."
Looking past the election, progressives will need to mobilize for a comprehensive agenda including economic justice, guaranteed healthcare for all, civil liberties, environmental protection and demilitarization.
The forces arrayed against far-reaching progressive change are massive and unrelenting. If an Obama victory is declared next week, those forces will be regrouping in front of our eyes -- with right-wing elements looking for backup from corporate and pro-war Democrats. How much leverage these forces exercise on an Obama presidency would heavily depend on the extent to which progressives are willing and able to put up a fight.
It's a fight we should welcome.
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Show AllAs McCain's strategists aim to thread an electoral-vote needle . . .
That should read, "As McCain and his fellow traitors aim to fix the election in Pennsylvania . . . "
Just this morning I saw a lawsuit had been filed in Colorado against the Republican elections overseer, not just a client but also a candidate for office, for purging the rolls of voters whose mail was returned in the past few weeks. The Republican scum will stop at nothing. I just don't see Cheney surrendering his power, ever.
There's a story in the local Atlanta news about newly registered voters receving letters from the republican Secretary of State informing them that are inelegible to vote.
The story gives an example of a youn woman who moved her from Boston. The letter told her that she is not a US citizen (no evidence at all to that effect) and said that she had one week to appeal. The letter was dated October 2 and postmarked October 9.
The article points out that the Secretary of State has broken at least two or three federal election laws.
I seriosuly doubt that Obama - or any non-republican - will ever be President of the US.
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The fact that you are seeing these stories in the Corporatist Media is a sign that these "fixing" efforts are doomed to FAIL, not bound to succeed.
Why people don't see that is beyond my understanding.
Did you see story after story in the Corporatist Media about "vote thefts" before Election Day in 2000?
No, you didn't. You didn't even see it from them AFTER it was largely proven by Greg Palast and the BBC!
Doesn't this diffence demonstrate anything to you?
Exactly, matti. There is no way this election will stay stolen.
http://wagelaborer.blogspot.com/2008/10/coming-soon-watergate-redux.html
Wall St and the corporations bet on Obama this time. The election would have to be stolen FROM him.
The real election rigging is what the Dems do to candidates left of them (i.e. most candidates!)
Wonder if McCain got that letter. His Canal Zone birth certificate brings his "natural-born citizen" status into question.
"This fall, the answers to these largely valid questions revolve around a truth that trumps many others: A McCain-Palin administration would be such a disaster that we want to do what we can to prevent it."
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Sigh.
As "truths" go, this one is not so much "trumps" as a Joker.
"What does that tell us about the logic of pressing forward with a vanguard approach even if it might serve the interests of right-wing forces that most progressives are straining to roll back in this election?"
It tells me that the Democrats have excluded ballot-qualified candidates from the debates and that they are now whining about the consequences of their actions.
"The Nader campaign actually seems to be gunning for swing states in the stretch drive of the campaign, as if to maximize the chances that the Nader-Gonzalez ticket could be a factor in how the electoral votes end up being divided. Last week the Nader campaign announced that, beginning on Oct. 28, "Mr. Nader will make his final rounds campaigning in traditional swing states Florida, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania."
Unbelievable.
Ralph Nader is doing the work of Karl Rove - just like he did 4 years ago when his campaign was funded by the right-wing Republicans.
He used to be my hero - now he's a pathetic joke. Go away, Ralph.
Ooh, oh, no, Julie, I wish you hadn't gone and done that! I did once, and 500 posts later I'm still digging out from under. I find it best to confront the most rabid of Naderites on a article about third parties - it's easier to keep them penned up there and they forget about spamming the rest of the discussions with announcements about when Ralph will be interviewed on Dorp Iowa underground radio. Keep an eye on Chris Hedges' article today.
No, WC, you are not digging out from under. You continue to keep digging into deeper and deeper doo-doo. And Solomon is telling us that Obama isn't a corporate, pro-war Democrat. This is simply an adoption of the Orwellian/Rovian Reality.
A sense of humor here is often helpful; you might give it a try. For my part, I have already tried to engage you in intelligent discussion but you rejected it in favor of ranting attacks, so I'm through with you.
Yes, we rabid progressives who refuse to take Obama's name off of the unprogressive platform he's running on, as Solomon suggests we should do, so that we can pretend that he stands for something that he clearly says he doesn't.
Imagine actually reading what Obama stands for and rejecting it on principle! Unbelievable! No wonder it drives crazy those who prefer to close their eyes and hope.
"Ralph Nader is doing the work of Karl Rove"
Bull shit. It's quite the opposite. Your Obama has been DOING the work for Karl Rove and Bush and Cheney since he's been in the senate by his yes votes, his complicity and his silence. (Nader has never been in the congress.) And since you are supporting Obama YOU are a "Rove operative" and "Rove troll." Because you would like to get Obama in the White House so he can continue to work for the agenda of Bush/Cheney and ROVE.
Precisely - look at what a difference a democratic congress has made. Nada. Obama or McCain, whatever. No, they are not the same, but yes, nothing will change. Both march to the drum of the same corporate drummer, even if one has a little better style than the other.
What "Democratic Party majority" do you all keep referring to? The senate is 51 vs 49 "democratic" and 1 of the 51 is Jos LIEberman! How does THAT constitute a Democratic majority?
.Julie, I might ask you to reconsider what appears to be a knee jerk reaction to a bit of propaganda by Mr. Solomon. Nader speaks his message everywhere, why should he exempt swing states, why should he consider the candidate of a party that worked in three elections to keep him from debates and off ballots, including the use of shabby and dirty tricks?
You claim that Nader was once "your hero", therefore he must have spoken in some meaningful way to your vision for this nation. He is still speaking to the meaningful issues of this nation, and with a clarity and purpose unsullied by the need to accept donations in the millions from the oil, gas and coal industries, the military industrial folks and Wall Street, unlike your chosen candidate, Barack Obama. Senator Obama has taken the money and spoken the lies of all those industries, why would you think he will be a champion of your needs and wishes?
If you are sincere in your statement that Nader was once important to you then your current stance seems rather strange, as Ralph's message hasnt changed, but the need to listen to it has gained in importance.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
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http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_.
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Third Party Presidential Candidate Debate
Thank you CSPAN....IT was Great, Fantastic
Ralph Nader and Chuck Ballwin Debate on Oct 23rd
Chris Hedges Moderator
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US third parties fight to be heard
By Omar Chatriwala in Washington, DC Source: Al Jazeera IT.
Two US presidential candidates have gone head-to-head over issues including the economy, the "war on terror" and flaws in the nation's healthcare system.
But neither man represented the Democrats or the Republicans.
Although they run much lower-profile campaigns than the two presidential contenders, Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama, they are the third-party candidates in this year's race for the White House.
Ralph Nader, a longstanding consumer activist, and Chuck Baldwin, a former Baptist priest, took to the modest flag-rimmed stage in Washington DC's Mayflower Hotel on Thursday as cameras fed their images live.
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I have looked hard to find any news about the debate and this was all I could find.
The silence is such a mockery to all Americans. Shame...
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Self-described "progressives" criticize Nader and his supporters because when they see what Nader stands for they see that they are living a lie by supporting Obama and they hate us for it. On the one hand they love what Nader stands for and on the other they simply cannot get over their Obama crush. The "logic" of voting for the person who supports your issues stands more solid than any of these empty attempts to demean Nader and his supporters. If the Democrats somehow lose this election, it will be because they sold out to their corporate sponsors and they don't stand for any REAL progressive "change". And then they will blame Nader - Who does. This bullshit argument that not voting for the least worst causes more suffering in the world is just another scare-tactic that sounds all too familiar in politics - It's really sad that people who stood for progressive values has stooped to this level. The fact is when we expand our war in Afghanistan, as Obama wants to do, there will be much suffering. You can't shove a knife in someone's back 9 inches and then pull it out 6 inches and say you are making progress. Ralph Nader is the only one keeping the progressive torch burning. If you are worried that Obama will lose because of Nader - Make your candidate give back all the money he accepted from the financial industry since he voted for the bail out. Or make him give back all the money he accepted from the telecommunications companies since he voted for FISA. That would be a lot easier then saying to America that 3rd parties shouldn't run for president because we don't live in a democracy anymore and we don't want to mess up our Duopoly dictatorship.
You were right on until you said that Nader is the only one keeping the progressive torch burning.
There is also Cynthia McKinney, running for the Green Party.
well.. yes.. You have a point there. I didn't mean to exclude the others. It just felt the focus was on Nader in this article.
Notice that Solomon did not publish this article anywhere else. It isn't worthy! So, he is again on his hobby horse of urging everyone to vote for the lesser evil. Ho hum. So what else? Oh, a jab at Nader even though Nader is just one of about a half dozen third party candidates running, and even though Nader, like all the other third party candidates, was denied the opportunity to debate by the corporate debate commission.
Solomon acts as if he doesn't comprehend the notion of classes and class interests. But he only need review the latest 700 billion dollar bailout to notice what the future will bring under Obama. Did common home owners get a bail out? NO. Did banks get a bailout. YES. How did Obama vote? That's how to tell the future: the common people will continue to get ripped off while the corporations get the bailouts.
Does it get any better than this? Sure. We can have someone who is PROGRESSIVE give taxpayer money to the banks. We can have a PROGRESSIVE spy on citizens and ignore FISA. We can have a PROGRESSIVE continue illegal wars and occupations. We can re-brand the United States as PROGRESSIVE so Solomon can move on to better topics and get down to real issues.
"Both Nader -- a consumer advocate who was the Green Party candidate in 2000 and an independent candidate in 2004 -- and former Rep. Barr (R-Ga.) appear to siphon more votes from McCain than from Obama. When Nader and Barr are added to the ballot, they draw most of their support from independent voters who said they would otherwise vote for the Republican."
This article was published last June. If it's still valid, Nader is pulling more votes from McCain.
This is true. Poll after poll shows that Nader hurts McCain more than he hurts Obama. But it doesn't matter to me anyway. Ralph Nader has campaigned in all 50 states, the people that are voting for Nader have chosen Nader not Obama and he has actually earned their votes. You can't say the same for Obama or McCain. They are empty candidates, dancing around the real issues so they don't upset their corporate paymasters.
If we still live in a Democracy than Democrats need to shut up and get over the 2000 election..
Democrats need to recognize the rights of third parties and their supporters. They need to do this whether they believe it will help or hurt their own partisan interests.
We see so many posts that argue third party advocates should "compromise their values" but rarely, if ever, do I see Democrats recognizing that it is they, not third party supporters, who are repressing the rights of other citizens and their candidates to fully participate in the electoral process.
As long as Democrats continue to condone an electoral system that allows the two major parties to control the debate process, ballot access and all the abuses of big money and media manipulation, Democrats are not credible with their whinings about third party voters.
To "shut us out" and then demand compliance with their rules and their candidates is nothing short of outrageous elitism. When the Democratic Party becomes worthy of its name, then, perhaps, there might be some room for negotiation. Under the current two party tyranny, forget it!
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If Democrats cannot beat the Republicans without the votes of the folks who vote Independent,
That is the Democrats fault, not the fault of the people who chose not to vote for them.
http://www.votenader.org/index.html
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If it was, it was certainly updated by Solomon a submitted for republication. Read this : "Last week, a mass email from the Nader for President 2008 campaign began by telling supporters: “Ralph Nader is at 5 percent in The Show Me State -- Missouri. And he’s moving up. That’s according to the most recent CNN/Time Missouri poll.” The celebratory tone of the message was notable. Nader was polling at 5 percent in a crucial swing state -- where polls showed that McCain and Obama were in a dead heat. No wonder, on the same day as the email message, McCain spoke at rallies in suburbs of St. Louis and Kansas City."
Terrier knowing your politics I am very surprised you would attempt to defend Solomon's pathetic views. This piece is dead wrong on so many points as to defy comprehension. I will have more to say about this article and Norman-the-Snake in my own post !
I have no idea how you came to perceive my post as "defending Solomon's pathetic views."
Suffice it to say, I am in total agreement with your characterization of them.
As I stated in an earlier post in this thread in response to Solomon's asking what it tells us about third party voters:
"It tells me that the Democrats have excluded ballot-qualified candidates from the debates and that they are now whining about the consequences of their actions."
Democrats have muzzled third parties. They have passed laws that still allow way too much money into the electoral process. They have passed laws that make it almost impossible to even get on the ballots around the country. They have taken over, with their partners in crime, the Commission on Presidential Debates. They have challenged everyone and everything they could throw their army of lawyers at. They have blocked efforts towards IRV or other third party friendly modifications. In short, they have suppressed democracy itself for their own shallow partisan objectives.
All this and they still have the audacity to ask for our vote. Yeah, that will happen.
Ralph should do the honorable thing and drop out of the race while endorsing Obama. Mr Solomon is right on about how the Nader campaign seems to focus its criticism on the Democrats, while ignoring the proto-fascism that's come to define the Republican party. It's the fascism stupid!
"while ignoring the proto-fascism that's come to define the Republican party."
Well lets see, based on what I've seen, Obama and the democratic party has supported the republicans over 75 percent of the time. Oh, I see, that doesn't make them full fascist does it, just three quarter fascist. Now that's progressive.
Rickster
Criticism absolutely should be focused on the Democrats who enabled fascism to matasticize as it has. The idea that Obama is just playing the game, playing it cool until he can reveal his true colors is just fantastic delusion. Obama and Biden are total Council on Foreign Relations, total Bilderberger, total New World Order--controlling the globe--deciding who will die--deciding the fate of millions and millions of "useless eaters", as Herr Kissinger would have us believe. How else can chicken-hawks such as Kissinger, Madeleine Albright, Warren Christopher, Colin Powell, and Jim Baker sit around together chatting on PBS in pretentious beneficence. Let us continue to vote for this deceit.
"Obama & all the leading Democrats support the War on Terror"
There are differing levels of support. "Lip service" is a lot less support than "gung-ho".
"They voted for the FISA amendment to retroactively legalize government spying on citizens"
The issue will be revisited when Obama gets in. Perhaps we will see some prosecutions coming out of the Justice Dept.---not on the telecoms, but on those who pushed them on.
"They never lifted a finger to impeach Bush or Cheney."
I would say your use of "they" is faulty here. Kucinich and others did all they could. Not the leadership however.
"They funded the Iraq occupation. They supported the Wall St bailout. They voted for the PATRIOT Act."
Yes. They also tried to end the Iraq war with a timeline that was vetoed by your President. And they took a 3 page bailout disgrace and included provisions which protect the citizen. And they managed to round-off many of the more egregious Patriot Act provisions.
"Let me ask you directly: are these things, or are they not, "proto-fascism"?"
All the fascism I see is coming from the right wing of the Republican party.
Obama wanting to send 3 divisions into Afghanistan and attack Pakistan isn't "gung ho"? Renewing the PATRIOT Act isn't "gung ho"? Increasing the Army and Marines in large number isn't "gung ho"? Obama supporters appear to be generally ignorant.
I predict that both wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will be over within Obama's first term. If it's gung-ho McPalin, I predict more fascistic wars, in more places, for more corporations.
All of your comments are aimed at how horrible Obama and those democrats are. Sometimes you forget to include republicans in your rants, and you always skirt the issue of fascism. I don't know what you want because you never seem to have a solution for anything, or to argue for one---just against the democrats mostly.
.Surely you can do better than that, madcow. This is a progressive site, thus the denigrating of the McCain candidacy is a waste of time, all here agree on that assessment. The real sticking point is that some see the complicity of your party and its candidate. Some note with disgust the silencing of the voices of the progressive wing and the black caucus within your party and the complicity of the Democratic Party in the Bush agenda and some do not. Some see that the Obama platform is one far too similar to that of John McCain, some have seen and rejected the actions or lack thereof of your party when it was needed most.
It is a rather tired argument to attempt to smear the critics of two party politics that is , in reality, one, with such lameness.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
Walk on Water Obama should do the honorable thing and drop out of the race and endorse Nader/Gonzalez.
Normon Solomon has his head up his ass and apparently hears only what he wants to hear. Nader does indeed talk about both the useless and worthless Dems AND the Repugs.
.Barack should do the honorable thing and drop out of the race while endorsing Ralph. You havent the faintest idea of the rightness or wrongness of Mr. Solomons words or Nader's actions. You just feel better slamming a candidate you dont support...silly rabbit democracy isnt for children.
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We see things, not as they are, but as we are.
Anais Nin
"...a clear national rejection of the extreme right-wing..."
ha! Yes, of course you are correct Norman... but the replacement???
...a right-wing that is just a small degree "less" extreme. You support a politician who is a right-wing war-monger... a Republican wannabe in Democrat drag. That you would work so hard to provide him with a mask of progressivism, is most likely an indication of just exactly how much pain this dissonance is personally causing you.
You sold out.
"Much of Nader's pitch for votes is centering on the charge that Democrats are as corporate and compromised as ever -- and in many ways he's right."
And in many ways he's right, shouldn't that say in most ways.
The way it was stated;
"But he ignores the reality that Republican leaders keep getting worse and more right-wing; they are clearly more dangerous than many assumed a decade ago."
The way it should have been stated,
"He understands the reality that Republican and democratic leaders keep getting worse and more right-wing; they are both clearly more dangerous than they were a decade ago.
Sounds right now.
Rickster
I'm with Norman.
I'll add: I think Nader should drop out and endorse Obama.
I have completely lost respect for Nader and see him as a selfish, selfish man, without a clue as to how to build a movement.
Compare Nader's "campaign" to the one that Obama has demonstrated that he knows how to run. Leadership- the US needs unifying leadership.
If fascism and racism in our Presidencey is something you want to encourage, then by all means, vote for Nader- a wasted vote, since we know statistically-speaking (at this late stage) he can't win.
If you want to ensure that ever more right-wing nuts get into the White House (Palin!!?), then throw your vote to Nader.
Obama '08
Please STUDY the actual positions of your hero Obama. I am ashamed of Obama supporters. Are you: pro-war? Pro-corporate power over all aspects of our lives? Pro-FISA bill? And yet you rationalize the murder of innocent human beings who want to live their lives as much as you do... I truly hope that disillusion and disgust sets in quickly so we can get on with the REAL business of building a progressive majority - Obama is really a Republican; not as scary as McCain or Bush, but not that far different either. Enjoy the crumbs you will get from this one term president. IF you are pro-war, pro-corporate power, pro-murder/pro-terrorism (U.S. terrorism), then I can fully understand your support of Obama & the enabling Democratic party.
"If fascism and racism in our Presidencey is something you want to encourage, then by all means, vote for Nader- a wasted vote"
First no vote is wasted even a no vote makes a statement. That's why there's more people who don't vote than there are that does. Everybody I know that doesn't vote, does so for one simple reason. With the choices given them, nothings going to really change.
Do you really believe the march to fascism is going to change with Obama. All I see him doing is moving more slowly toward it.
Rickster
Judging from the way things have been moving the last 20 or so years, it may not be so slowly.
A vote is NOT a statement.
THICK.
A vote is indeed a statement whether you want to admit it or not.
thin
A vote is like a river.
It grows in power and in volume fed by tributaries of hope in the spring only to weaken and dissipate as the realities of fall approach.
No, I'm not serious ...
Unrelated news bulletin: Jury finds Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) Guilty on all counts in Federal corruption trial.
A vote is a statement of choice. Not voting is a statement of no support for any of the choices.
The choice as I see McCain versus Obama is wither I want to be a hard core fascist or a soft core fascist when I don't want to be either. I would rather live in a true communists society before I would want to live in a fascist society and I'd rather live in a socialist backed constitutional republic than a communist society.
Rickster