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Obama Payroll Tax Cuts Seen Undermining Social Security
NEW YORK -- Some Democratic lawmakers say that, while President Barack Obama's plan to cut payroll taxes may strengthen the U.S. economy, it may have some unintended fallout: weakening Social Security.
President Obama delivers a statement at the White House urging Congress to act to extend the payroll tax cut. (Alex Wong / Getty Images / December 5, 2011) The lawmakers and advocacy groups say they are concerned the tax cuts may undermine political support for the retirement program, which provides benefits to almost 55 million Americans and is funded by the payroll levies.
"I don't object to putting more money in people's pockets, and there are lots of ways to do that, but not with Social Security," said Representative Rush Holt of New Jersey, who said he will have a hard time supporting the White House plan.
Should Congress fail to extend the break, set to expire in four weeks, millions of Americans will see their paychecks start shrinking in January. That would be a setback for the economy and could subtract 0.7 percentage point from economic growth, according to Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics.
Still, Obama's proposal comes amid growing concern about Social Security's finances. The program has begun spending more on benefits each year than it receives in payroll tax revenue and, starting in 2036, won't be able to pay full scheduled benefits, according to the trustees' latest report.
The system is funded by a 12.4 percent payroll tax equally divided between workers and employers. Congress cut the employee portion this year by 2 percentage points. Obama wants to reduce it further next year, to 3.1 percent, while offering the same rate to employers that take on new workers. The Social Security funding that is lost would be made up through general revenue.
Not the Last?
Social Security advocates say they fear these cuts won't be the last. It may not be any easier for Congress to allow them to lapse next year, with the elections in November and the unemployment rate projected by the Congressional Budget Office to average 8.5 percent. Forcing the government to tap further into general revenue could lead to the kind of funding fights that Social Security has avoided until now.
Representative Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, said he supports extending the payroll tax cut, though reluctantly.
"To take it away would be a body blow to the economy," said Nadler, who called the tax cut a "very bad" change in Social Security policy. So "we've got to live with it for another year or two." Massachusetts Democrat Barney Frank said that while he didn't like the tax cuts initially, it would be a "great mistake" not to continue them now.
'Straight Politics'
Some critics of Obama's proposal say their wariness stems from Social Security's unique character. It was designed in 1935 by President Franklin Roosevelt to be an autonomous program that paid its own way through a dedicated tax.
Though the payroll tax is regressive -- it hits lower- income Americans harder -- Roosevelt believed the levy would make the program politically impregnable. That's because Americans would feel their benefits had been "bought and paid for" by their payroll taxes by the time they reached retirement, said tax historian Joseph Thorndike.
"We put those payroll contributions there so as to give the contributors a legal, moral, and political right to collect their pensions," Roosevelt said, according to a 1941 memorandum written by Luther Gulick, an adviser. "With those taxes in there, no damn politician can ever scrap my Social Security program. Those taxes aren't a matter of economics; they're straight politics."
Threat to Legacy
Until recently, the program's special status was underscored by statements the government mailed to more than 150 million workers tallying how much they have paid in Social Security taxes and how much they can expect to receive in retirement. The government said it is suspending those mailings to save money and plans to make them available online.
Critics say the administration's tax-cut plan threatens that legacy because it would replace with other revenue the $265 billion the congressional Joint Committee on Taxation estimated would be forgone by Social Security next year.
While transferring other revenue into the program would ensure benefits aren't cut because of the tax reduction, Social Security advocates may have a harder time arguing that seniors' benefits were bought and paid for by their payroll taxes.
Chuck Blahous, a former Bush administration economic adviser who now sits on Social Security's Board of Trustees, called the Obama plan a "very fundamental transformation" in how the program operates.
'Severe Trouble'
"When you start funding Social Security that way, you basically destroy any notion that people really paid for their Social Security benefits," he said. "Once we destroy that, we're going to destroy a lot of the political protections that Social Security has long enjoyed."
Blahous added, "We've got this political dynamic that says, 'Well, if you don't extend this, then you're in favor of raising taxes on poor working people. If that's the dynamic, then Social Security is in really severe trouble."
The ambivalence over tapping into the funding for the popular retirement program is underscored by a split among advocacy organizations for the elderly. AARP, the largest group, supports the payroll tax cuts -- as long as they are temporary - - while the National Commission to Preserve Social Security & Medicare has criticized the administration's plan.
No Danger
Alan Krueger, the chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, denies there is any danger to the system. He told reporters in a Nov. 29 briefing, "I don't think this jeopardizes the Social Security trust fund or the solvency of Social Security. The trust fund is made whole by general revenues." And he said Obama has proposed a way to fully pay for his tax-cut plan.
Senator Dick Durbin, the chamber's second-ranking Democrat, also rejected the complaints. He said the government has been borrowing surplus Social Security revenue to pay for other programs, and promising to repay it later with other tax revenue, so the money has already been mixed.
"This is not the first time," he said. Durbin, of Illinois, said he hoped the tax cut would be allowed to lapse next year though he said he couldn't rule out another extension.
It's that uncertainty that concerns some lawmakers.
"We shouldn't let the federal government undermine Social Security by convincing Americans that they don't really have to pay for it," said Senator Joe Manchin, a West Virginia Democrat. "If we extend the cuts this year, what about the next year and the year after? When does it stop?"
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Show AllYou guys are just now noticing this? The comments section of CD has been screaming about this not-so-stealth assault on SS for about eight months now! I've seen dozens of comments, counter comments, all from the readers of this site, and now, at last, some "reporter" noticed this duplicity. Jesus...
Nonetheless, the blankface stealth reactionary continues to mouth the phrase "payroll tax cuts" on the news, and the reporters never explain what these cuts really are, and the effects on social security.
Eight months, AlanWatts ?
On Dec. 8, 2010, when the mainstream media qouted the GOP stating their intent to use Obama's "payroll tax holiday" as leverage to gut Social Security I posted the concerns mentioned in this article at least three times on CD. Within a week of Obama extending the Bush tax cuts which included his "tax holiday" on Dec. 17, 2010 I posted at least six comments on CD.
One of the Federel Workers website posted a few days ago that the Senate..which is controlled by Democrats is debating a plan to pay for the "payroll tax holiday" by freezing the pay increases of Federal government workers for 3 years. The planned pay freeze will not include persons who work for Congress.
Was the plan all along, wasn't it?
We remember that it was Obama who originally offered cuts to Social Security to appease Republicans who did not dare to do that. The Republicans may promise to deliver the goods to Wall Street but it is invariably the Democrats who actually deliver.
I feel like barfing every time my Democratic Party US Senator sends me emails bragging about extending the "payroll tax holiday" to save the middle class.
Actually started with his feigned sincere utterances about having "adult conservations with the American people regarding their entitlements" and all that blather about "shared sacrifices". Then there was the Deficit(catfood) Commission, stacked with known opponents of Social Security. When the Democrats refused to line up, he pressed for the "Grand Bargain" and when asked at a press conference why Social Security was included since it did not "drive the deficit", his lame response was he "wanted to take the opportunity to do something big". When congressional Democrats pulled him back and questioned his "core values", he continued to advocate cuts in Medicare in exchange for fair taxes for the wealthy, who are doing well at our expense--like they were of equal value.
There is no question who Obama serves and what his agenda is. The crooks on the Wall St networks were banging the war drums to cut "entitlements" after the bailouts and look at Obama's Wall St administration and his deep admiration, hero worship of Daddy figure, braindead St Reagan.
Any of that language--modest changes, small modifications, cutting waste, preserving, saving, salvaging, changing the formula (chainedCPI) are all code for benefit cuts.
Cutting the payroll tax--even presenting it as a tax cut as his sole campaign issue is a sleazy move to bribe voters using the Republican playbook and a stealth attack on Social Security by undermining its dedicated revenue stream.
He has been fighting real hard for this and that shows you he can push when he has a mind to.
How I detest him.
All Obama said on the 75th anniversary of Social Security in August 2010 is "The Republicans want to privatize Social Security".
A populist, hope and change president would have used that occasion to propose lifting the Social Security contribution lid above $106k thereby extending the program's ability to not only pay full benefits, but increase benefits not just through 2036, but through 2136 !
How I detest him. DITTO.
"Senator Dick Durbin, the chamber's second-ranking Democrat, also rejected the complaints. He said the government has been borrowing surplus Social Security revenue to pay for other programs, and promising to repay it later with other tax revenue, so the money has already been mixed."
That's quite a bit different from not paying into it in the first place. Mr. Durban speaks with "forked tongue". I suggest we all keep paying into it, and insist the government repay with interest what they have already borrowed from the fund.
If Mr. Obama wants us to keep a $1,000.00 a piece let him up the individual exemption on income tax. But he's not even mentioned that possibility has he?
Forked tongue doesn't begin to describe this insidious lie.
From the quote; "... the government has been ... promising to repay it later ..."
key word promising
"I will gladly pay you on Friday for a hamburger you give me today"
Wimpy from Popeye
and now, a token "we must make them" statement
We must make them cross their hearts and hope to die.
I guess a lie to repay on Friday is just as bad as the lie to repay on Tuesday. ✌
Tuesday. I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. (grin...) But yes, I totally agree with you, Buck.
I stand corrected. So, we're talking next Tuesday right?
Really, I promise I'll pay up.
Without the FICA tax collections it will become increasingly difficult for Presidents to wage wars without borrowing even more money from China et al. Senator Durbin knows that and so does the President. It this Mr. Obama's ruse to end all U.S. wars forever? I doubt that.
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Your comment about the exemptions on the income tax is bulls-eye! That's where the rub is.
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Allow me to make a comment on "The Great Depression #1". There is a widespread misunderstanding that it was ended by WWII. In reality many esteemed economists worried that a mild form of recession if not another depression might return after the war ended. It did not happen here nor in Europe. Why? Because wages had risen more steeply than inflation during the war and were not screwed back after the war. Americans and soon thereafter many Europeans had incomes with which they could make purchases. The 50's and early 60's were the "golden years" of buying homes, cars, refrigerators and other household appliances by the so-called "Middle Class". The lesson is that all of the tricks conjured up by "Washington" today will not end the current economic malaise. Only full employment at drastically increased wages can. For a variety of reasons that will not happen this time.
In addition to borrowing money from Asian nations, Obama and his predecessors have "borrowed" money from the Social Security trust fund to pay for wars.
Ronny Raygun and his successors have made corporate welfare and war funding much higher priorities compared to funding domestic programs. In order to allegedly solve the contrived "deficit ceiling crisis" Obama will gut domestic programs in order to free up more money for corporate welfare and wars, keeping the deficit rising and never falling.
Speaking of inflation, have you done any grocery shopping lately? Good thing food prices aren't included in calculating inflation or we'd be in real trouble.
>>I suggest we all keep paying into it, and insist the government repay with interest what they have already borrowed from the fund.<<
I agree with your sentiment. But, where does the government get the money to repay with interest that which they have borrowed? It has to raise taxes -- hopefully on the wealthy but I doubt that's going to happen.
"When does it stop?" It's not supposed to stop, Senator Joe -- as if you didn't know. This may be old news for everyone on CD; however, maybe a couple of Obamabot SF Chron readers of my aquaintance might actually get a clue at this very late date. They don't listen to me.
All of the Obamabots of my acquaintance are afflicted with terminal denial syndrome and will follow Obama off a cliff.
Honestly, they are ecstatic over his latest high school pep rally campaign performance, emulating Teddy Roosevelt ( even he knows what a pathetic joke it would be to liken himself to FDR)--like it was something new and Obama finally gets it.
Teddy Roosevelt he's not. He can steal slogans and co-opt speeches all he likes. Fact remains he's neither a "trust buster" or a "conservationist. We'll get no "Square Deal" from Mr. Obama. What we'll get from Mr. Obama is bigger banks, pipelines and mining in our national parks, more unsafe nuclear power plants and fewer individual protections under the constitution.
Kudos to raydelcamino for emphasizing this issue.
There are at least a dozen other CD posters who have stayed on top of this ever since Obama first announced his "payroll tax holiday" exactly one year ago today.
A lot of us saw through it immediately. And they continue to refer to it as a "2% cut" when in reality it was a greater than 30% cut. A cut from 6.2% to 4.2% is not a 2% cut. And now he wants to cut it another "1%" from an original 6.2% to 3.2%, gutting social security funds collection by 50%. "Hey, its only a 3% cut, right?" Are we stupid. Hmmm... Wellllll.... since 99% don't bother to read more than one book a decade, and that's likely to be a Hero Athlete Biography...
ray, I kept seeing it on your posts, but kudos to the others as well.
Heeeee!! I second that!
Yes, those that saw through this from the beginning understood that the cut was not for the purposes of helping the economy but rather for the purpose of destroying the SS system. The argument that has "saved" SS from the privateers for the many years it has been under attack (I believe since that B grade actor was in the White House) is the fact that it has always been solvent, and estimates projected it would remain so until 2025 to 2050 depending on estimate methods, the tax cuts were solely for the purpose of destroying that solvency.
And a note to those that don't fully understand the government "borrowing" from the fund, according to my understanding the fund is made up solely of I.O.U.s from the government, they "borrow" ALL the money that goes into SS, not just a portion of it, and use it for other purposes. Part of the motive for eliminating SS is to get out of paying off those I.O.U.s, which will be as worthless as Confederate Bonds were once the Civil War ended.
I don't understand how any intelligent democrat would trust Obama to protect social security but I guess there are still many people who don't even realize how corrupt he is and are still saying everything he has done wrong have been just mistakes instead of paying his corporate sponsors for the money they gave him in 2008.
Many "intelligent Democrats" are afflicted with terminal denial syndrome. It is epidemic in the US.
Still running the Circular Firing Squad, eh? You seem to have much to say of little substance except hatred Ray Of The Street.
I calls em as I sees em as I shine the light on evidence. Although some CD posters have expressed hatred I have not, and have never found hatred in evidence. Evidence is what it is.
Despite efforts to find other reasons, denial syndrome is the only logical explanation considering there is more objective information readily available today than there has ever been, yet apparently intelligent Obamabots serially demonstrate faith in covert fascists, while ignoring boatloads of evidence, then criticize GOPbots for having faith in overt fascists.
I am always seeking a better explanation. If you give me a better explanation, Mobious, I will run with it !
It sure is, raydelcamino, and it has been endemic throughout the USA for a long time!
I had dinner with a long-time friend last night, and when I told her my opinion about Obama's policies, she said that Obama had good intentions but his hands are tied. I said nothing, but refused to buy into that.
What's "unintended" about it?
When I read the first sentence of the article, those were my thoughts exactly
That was my first thought! You stole the words right out of my head!
"...it may have some unintended fallout: weakening Social Security."
Unintended? Really? Do people really still believe the weakening of Social Security is unintended? C'mon..what we are witnessing is the Democrats about to deliver something the Republicans have wanted for eons but can't achieve: The privatization of Social Security. Remember after the 2004 election Bush the lesser tried and didn't get out of the starting gate. It took Bill Clinton to get us NAFTA, another Republican wish list item. And remember, deregulation started under Carter, not Reagan. Lesser of two evils my ass!
While we all argue the finer points of being robbed of our Social Security INSURANCE, the elephant (and donkey) in the room is the lack of discussion regarding taxing the wealthy at previous rates or ending the wars of aggression, etc. to make up for revenue shortfalls caused by mismanagement and greed in the first place.
The whole "insurance" aspect of this seems completely lost in our bizzaro country. It was called insurance for a reason, not a savings account that you only get out what you put in, maybe with a little interest. We have paid our premiums through payroll tax deductions our entire working lives. How do people miss what the howling would be if they could only pay for their health needs with the amount they put into their health insurance premiums? Or only repair their car as much as the amount they paid for their auto insurance?
Not to mention how we were screwed out of pension plans with substitute 401K's that were supposed to be so much better because over time we'd get more because the stock market always trends up.
To paraphrase the country song, Wall street got the gold mine and we got the shaft.
Funny. It reminds me of o's wife's advertizement seen on some sites begging for money with the next campaign catch phrase of 'Are you in' meaning send money and you'll be part of the next o presidential term. I look at is as when we vote next November, when we get to the polls, the voting machines will be lowered to where the voter has bend over, and to cast the vote the voter has to spell 'RUN' 3 times for the vote to count. o's actions unequivocally prove that his true loyalties 'lie' with the 1% so we all get the shaft every time we spell R-U-N.
"Join Michelle and tell Obama you're in"
Pathetic, isn't it.
I thought of how they had to put Mrs. Bush front and center after Bush became such a liability--and that was after his second term.
THE SELLING OF THE PRESIDENT was written more than 40 years ago and concludes that voters buy a brand when they vote, just as they do when they buy toothpaste.
A good looking, smooth talking, hoop shooting bro. with a cute family is a strong brand.
The GOP sent its second string into the streets to compete for the opportunity to run against a strong brand who is also an incumbant who will soon have a billion dollar corporate funded war chest. Since Obama is already giving the GOP more regressive legislation than they could have gotten with one of their own in the White House, the GOP will concentrate on gaining Senate seats and keeping control of the House.
The poverty that is coming soon to the US will make the current "recession" seem like boom times. Forget the "cat food commission." We won't even be able to afford cat food.
And don't forget to keep your cats and dogs indoors when it gets that bad !
People will be eating anything that isn't faster than they are.
There are 2 scenarios here for the near future. Either people who really need that extra $1,000 get it, or they do not get it. Go ahead and pretend there is any other way that republicans will let poorer people get anything.
The General revenue is gone now in massive debt.
The SS system won’t have to trim any benefits until 2036... so name one government program that is solvent for the next quarter of a century, 25 years!
I think workers can use the extra 1000 bucks a year cause without it at this time the economy and people will suffer even more.
We need to end the War Economy and the FED system before we worry about trimming retirement 25 years from now because the general revenue is already in the hole.
The Social Security scare is a political distraction by members of both parties who are doing nothing to fix anything. Just making the rich pay a little more into Social Security now it would be fixed.
I hear there is a more favorable opinion of Communism in America than Congress.
Sorry Jim but you seem to be just as crafty in trying to deceive me as the Obama administration. "Workers" are just one component of job creators but so are the unemployed who still have enough income to spend and retired persons on pensions. In fact, Social Security and other pensions have been major economic buffers without which the current recession might have already become the "Great Depression #2". Neither of these groups gets the "extra 1000 bucks a year". Why? Because our cowardly President did not dare to fight for a substantial income tax cut and slash the salary-withholding for that tax for families with incomes, say, below 250,000 dollar. Instead he put his grubby fingers in a tiller that has no powerful defenders, the FICA tax. Politicians: "Cosi fan tutte" and Mr. Obama is no exception.
Most working folks that I know would rather not have the FICA reduction and see the money go to help the unemployed instead.
Why can’t they want both?
I have never heard a fellow worker say “The Government is not takin enough out of my Check, and that is killing the unemployed!”
But I don’t know the same folks as you, so do you have too little taken out of your check?