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Jamie Rubin, Cruise Missile Liberal, Calls for Hypnotizing Americans About Afghan War
Jamie Rubin, one of the leading Democratic Party hawks, was on MSNBC's Morning Joe Wednesday to discuss Afghanistan policy. Rubin, who served as former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's top deputy in the 1990s, was a major figure in shaping and refining Clinton's "military humanism" doctrine. He was a passionate advocate for war against Iraq, which Clinton waged militarily and economically throughout the 1990s; he was a central player in the US-led NATO bombing of Yugoslavia and, significantly, US support for the Kosovo Liberation Army, which a senior US official, Richard Gelbard, had labeled "without any questions, a terrorist group."
Rubin is a famed cruise missile liberal who has seldom seen a war he didn't like. It is no surprise that he would be hitting the cable shows to support the war in Afghanistan at a time when public opinion is increasingly against US involvement. Democratic lawmakers are finally questioning the Obama administration's escalation there. Senator Dianne Feinstein, chair of the Select Committee on Intelligence and hardly a radical anti-war voice, said Sunday: "I believe the mission should be time limited, that there should be no, ‘Well, we'll let you know in a year and a half, depending on how we do.' I think the Congress is entitled to know, after Iraq, exactly how long are we going to be in Afghanistan." On Sunday, Senator Richard Durbin, one of Obama's closest friends, said, "I think at this point sending additional troops would not be the right thing to do." And it is not just powerful Democrats asking questions. Prominent conservative George Will recently wrote in the Washington Post that it is "time to get out of Afghanistan." While Congress is not even considering cutting off funds (only 30 House Democrats voted against war funding last round and only Senator Russ Feingold (and independent Bernie Sanders) in the Senate), the tide is changing ever so slowly.
Rubin is predictably finding himself on the side of a band of discredited neoconservatives led by William Kristol who have launched a campaign to support the US war in Afghanistan. He is not alone among Democrats. Howard Dean recently got along swimmingly with Newt Gingrich and Chris Wallace on FOX News discussing his support for the war in Afghanistan and the Center for American Progress has issued pro-war reports and done events with neoconservatives. Rubin, who is married to CNN's Christianne Amanpour, is currently an adjunct professor at Columbia University's School of International Politics and Public Affairs. Rubin remains an informal advisor to President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
On Morning Joe, Rubin laid out what can only be described as a crude plan to hypnotize Americans into believing falsehoods about the Afghan war. "We need to really really put to bed the issue that I think is behind everybody here, which is that this is another Vietnam," Rubin said. "And I think that Vietnam is a terribly debilitating analogy for our country. Every time something is difficult, we say, "Uh, it's Vietnam.' Afghanistan and Vietnam have nothing to do with each other. The whole world is on our side in Afghanistan. The whole world was clearly not on our side in Vietnam. The people in Afghanistan prefer an outcome that is not the Taliban, while in Vietnam as you know, the situation was different. So, let's take that analogy, throw it out the window, and deal with the facts on the ground."
Perhaps Rubin may want to listen to Nir Rosen, the great war correspondent who actually knows from first-hand experience about those facts.
Among the many problems with Rubin's statement is the glaring lie that the "whole world is on our side." Quite the contrary. NATO countries are facing growing calls for disengagement from what is increasingly viewed as an American quagmire. Canadians are weary of their nation's involvement. Remember what Rep. John Murtha said recently? "The Europeans aren't doing a damn thing" to support the Afghan war. Perhaps Rubin missed this comment by Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House and a member of his own party: "I don't think there is a great deal of support for sending more troops to Afghanistan in the country or in Congress."
Moreover, Rubin's illogical connection of support for the US occupation and a rejection of the Taliban is dishonest acrobatics.
President Obama, Rubin says, "has to begin to build this case for what I would call resetting the clock. The reason why so many Americans are discouraged and feeling like additional troops are unwise is because they believe the clock started eight years ago when we first when into Afghanistan."
Is Rubin serious? This sounds like someone trying to trick a kid into eating vegetables. His silliness then continued:
I think if the president, along with his generals, and the key diplomats like Richard Holbrooke can begin to lay the groundwork for a resetting of the clock and saying that it's really now for the first time that we've devoted the diplomatic, military and political resources to focus on Afghanistan, to get the mission completed and that the clock should be reset for a realistic period of time-several years with a substantial military forces are going to be needed if we are going to accomplish this mission. And, anything short of that I think will be the kind of muddling through that we did in Afghanistan and in Iraq in the first five years and I think that's the worst outcome.
Right, because a discredited US-backed election rife with fraud, escalating US troop deaths and a widening of Taliban control doesn't look anything like muddling. Returning to the theme of hypnotism, Rubin said:
The fundamental question that the Congress is going to face and I think administration officials are struggling with is: Is Iraq a reasonable analogy now? Will the surge that worked in Iraq, is there an analogous situation in Afghanistan? If we have top level effort, if the president focuses on it, if we have additional surge of military forces, if we reset the objectives-because we lowered the objectives in Iraq, where we began working with Sunni warlords that previously we weren't prepared to work with. So if we lower the objectives and increase the resources, I believe that we can achieve this mission.
In other words, do what the Bush folks did with their carnival of ever evolving justifications for these wars. Moreover, Rubin never did mention what "mission" he believes "we can achieve." Unless, of course, the mission is to hypnotize people into believing that Afghanistan has nothing in common with Vietnam.
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Show AllI once heard a pundit claim that Reagans Policy of engagement and investment in South Africa was instrumental in bringing down apartheid.'
Apartheid ended on Reagans watch and given the belief that anything good HAD to be Americas doing it only followed that Reagan ended apartheid.
The same logic is used here with the "Surge" in Iraq "working".
The fact is that by the time the surge occurred some 3 million Iraqis who had been targeted by the Violence had fled the country. The fact is that by the time the surge occurred entire neighborhoods had been ethnically cleaned of Sunnis.
Either of those two events played a far more prominent role.
Politicians and pundits and analysts use this method to no end. Any positive event that happned in SPITE of them had to have happened BECAUSE of them
The USA has not had a major terrorist attack in 8 years. It only follows that the polcies of torture worked....right?
Rubin. You f***ing crackpot.
from the article:
"The fundamental question that the Congress is going to face and I think administration officials are struggling with is: Is Iraq a reasonable analogy now? Will the surge that worked in Iraq, is there an analogous situation in Afghanistan?"
Did I miss the end of the Iraq war? Some winning 'surge'? How have we completely stopped discussing Iraq and are now obsessed with Afghanistan? Not that Afghanistan doesn't deserve negative attention, but I didn't realize we'd closed the book on Iraq...crapola within bullshit within feces...layered like an ogre...
Madness...
Sanctuary's Law of Politicians:
All politicians are pathological liars.
"Hypnotizing Americans?" It is not possible to hypnotize someone who is in deep sleep.
The American public are, in most cases, already hypnotized by the whores and propaganda in the Goebbels MSM.
Scahill is one of the best investigative reporters!
Yes he is! He cuts through the bullshit and lays it all out for everyone to smell.
He certainly is!
Rubin, who is married to CNN's Christianne Amanpour, is currently an adjunct professor at Columbia University's School of International Politics and Public Affairs.
A wonderful explanation of how the corrupt planet of D.C. actually operates. P.S. The term "cruise missile liberal" should replace the term "limousine liberal"; it's much more accurate.
I just watched some drivel done by Amanpour on CNN called Generation Islam or something. It was horrible. Completely one sided in its coverage of Afghanistan and Palestine. It had a story of Afghan star which is their version of American Idol. I wanted to either throw up or punch the TV. This is what America has to offer the people of Afghanistan. Stupid reality TV crap. How about some humanitarian aid or how about we get out of their country. The fact that she is married to Rubin helps explains why it was so bad. I knew it would suck since it was on CNN but I had to see how bad it was. It exceeded my expectations for sucking.
Very good. I realized she sucked when she started spurting drivel during the "action" or whatever they called it in the "former Yugoslavia."
Rubin should be required to pay for an M-16 and then be dropped off in the desert somewhere near Herat if he wants to fight in Afghanistan so badly.
The term "cruise missle liberal" was originally coined by Edward Herman in 1998 to refer to all the liberals who rallied behind Clinton in his bombings of Iraq and Yugoslavia. Technology has moved on, and maybe "reaper drone liberal" may be more appropriate.
Well, the U.S. has to make the world safe for . . .
???? The Rubes......ins???
...cruise missiles...
EXPLOITATION!
Good responses, but there was another word I had in mind.
OK TM we hint--you know like in 20 questions?
The US political class is a deeply broken and morally bankrupt entity that will apparently NEVER tire of endless wars, bankrupting our treasury and further eroding whatever minuscule credibility we may still have. It's time for real and MEANINGFUL fundamental and radical change. I wonder if anyone can save the US Empire from itself.
Hey Wait!
FOX says CNN is the left!
Well the US Fourth Reich is at it again but this time in Somalia and this war crime is completely off the MSM radar: The terrorist US military invaders just wasted another "suspected terrorist" in Somalia.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200909150369.html
Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Somalia. Next will be Iran and the payback will begin.
unfortunately Obama's Afghan policy is surrounded by Democrat hawks.
while working for Albright during Clinton's deadly incursion in Yugoslavia, Rubin was complicit in the cover up of the Bosnian genocide, orchestrated, as we've learned, to precipitate privatization in the crumbling Yugoslavia. Bosnia in Rubin's own words: "I was proud to accompany Madeleine Albright to Bosnia in 1994, some months before NATO finally used military force against the Bosnian Serbs... There is a time for that kind of powerful rhetoric. And in international affairs, there is a time and a place when war is justified and necessary."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jamie-rubin/ithe-politics-of-wari-mcc_b_120139.html
Obama's Afghan envoy, Richard Holbrooke, then Clinton's "Peace Envoy", was also party to the Bosnian genocide:
The Deal That Led to the Srebrenica Massacre
http://www.counterpunch.org/rattansi09152009.html
Ex-Bosnian Serb chief: US helped Iran arm Muslims
hhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090826/ap_on_re_eu/eu_war_crimes_karadzic
Mr Scahill, please stop calling the occupation of Afghanistan a "war", that word just sweetens our illegal brutality
Jamie Rubin has always been a pretentious A-hole. Isn't his wife Christiana Amanapour? Like Andrea Mitchell and Alan Greenspan being married, truth will be covered up as the one's in power who messed up this world have their media elite spouses covering for them on national TV.
Nice expose by Scahill. Unfortunately, Morning Joe viewers likely aren't reading his work. Meanwhile, Obama is spouting Bush-like nonsense about fighting them over there.
I guess Dem leaders must think that we're stupid. But it won't really matter. After all of this hand-wringing in the press, Dem leaders will continue the wars. They've even got Howard Dean on board.
By the way, who can forget Clinton's "military humanism" doctrine, as Scahill puts it. Lots of people were fooled by it. Mainstream Dem voters still think of Clinton fondly, rather than as a war criminal for bombing Yugoslavia. They still don't remember that Clinton did away with welfare, brought in NAFTA/GATT leading to massive job losses and helped prime the securitization of bad mortgage debts.
Is there anyone out there still voting for this party?
-TIA
Sorry folks, but I think this is NOT a good Scahill article, as he thoroughly fails to explain how any possible U.S. HYPNOSIS concerning Afghanistan is different from any earlier hypnosis.
OTOH, I have no idea where else to go to find this sort of pro-war testimony as reported by Scahill, so more power to him.
In the early 1960s, as a youth in college after working for newspapers, just after the JFK assassination, I wrote a long paper for English credit, entitled, "Why the United States Must Unilaterally Withdraw from Viet Nam." The Prof had fought in Korea and supported the undeclared war in Viet Nam, but gave me an 'A' probably because I had documented with a bibliography a yard high.
It is folk wisdom by now that you can be hypnotized only if you want to be. I doubt this. Hypnosis involves language and thus Semantics. (How well do you understand syntax?)
So does "national hysteria," which I suspect I am witnessing now. And for most of the last decade.
The occupation of Afghanistan is really cheap, compared with Viet Nam. Even if placing a soldier in Afghanistan is far more expensive. We had HALF A MILLION military in Viet Nam; we have around 70,000 in Afghanistan (not to sell the additional mercenaries short...).
Entropy...
Today, this country could no more raise anything approaching the forces of WWII then it could protect the Planet from a large asteroid.
Meanwhile, among all you people calling yourselves Marxist on this thread, does anyone remember Thorstein Veblen? Like his idea of "conspicuous consumption"!
Go out and shop!
As for Madeleine Albright, she was Bill Clinton's continuation of the Kissinger Doctrine. Thus Jamie Rubin should be no surprise. Half a million dead Iraqi children were "worth it." The real measure here is who gets to be maimed by "depleted uranium" and who is deemed above this genetic contamination.
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Nuremberg Trials for Neocons!
Rubin has the right idea and it will definitely work one or the other.
Once in a small peaceful town, there was a sheriff who wanted more. He secretly craved a fleet of black SUVs and a room full of shiny automatic weapons. One day on the far side of town he saw a van full of large rough looking people
sitting beside the road. He stopped and in the course of conversation it was clear they were looking for a place to live and something to do.
He offered them a place to live at his ranch outside of town. In return they would ride into town once a month and terrorize the inhabitants who were living long, peaceful and happy lives. In this way he figured, the townfolk would raise more money to supply his desires to be the leader of a large rough group of individuals all deputized and ready for action.
This is what the PENTAGON has become since LEE OSWALD was sent to RUSSIA to give up the U2 flown by Gary Powers so
the PENTAGON budget could be swollen by the fear of the peaceful townfolk. You could call it FALSE FLAG with a twist
We enable a relatively insignificant enemy through the
COMPLICIT MEDIA to inflate itself...we aid them and abet
them and voila the 40 billion we spent in the Kruschev era
becomes 700 billion (plus RUMSFELDS missing 2.3 TRILLION announced september 10, 2001) plus whatever else They are not telling us )ssshhh...its classified...)
world trade center had to be torn down anyway, it WAS FULL OF ASBESTOS, might as well turn it into a national security event and distract people from a recently STOLEN election. 2004 would then be easier to steal since
‘presidents AT WAR are usually reelected’
In regards to brainwashing and mind control...
It is important to realize how the OSS brought over Nazi scientists to the US in Operation Paperclip at the end of WWII and gave them jobs in US universities, military facilities, and think tanks, to continue their research into propaganda, behavior, eugenics/genetic research, pharmaceuticals, mind control, and the like... Many Nazi military intelligence officers were given jobs with the CIA, DIA, and NSA, which explains the last 60+ years of US covert and overt foreign & domestic policy and the use of hiding their crimes under thecover of "national security"...
CIA programs like MKUltra and their various projects before and since involved developing systematic techniques and technologies to influence behavior of the mass consumers in the US and other countries... The behavior sciences developed sophisticated techniques applied to advertising and propaganda in the media, like subliminals, and framing issues to confuse or redirect public opinion, and make individuals feel insecure or fearful... Drugs were developed to make people more suggestable to the TV and radio and print media... And other CIA/DIA projects were developed for military and paramilitary applications, to develop protocols for assassination squads and other applications... They conducted research into the combined use of electroshock, sensory deprivation or overstimulation, hypnosis, drugs, neurosurgery, and other means to program subjects for a variety of purposes, like sexpionage, assassins, theft of Military codes & foreign state secrets, etc... Much of this was declassified and made public during the Church Commission in '77, and later thru FOIA...
Scary stuff indeed...!
Sioux Rose
GOLDEN MEAN: If only a mind as incisive as yours WAS the (golden) mean! In any case, thank you for providing this background info. I was aware of some, but by no means all of it. The dark side really knows how to pull its own into a private black hole from which to generate enormous power. When the light breaks through, mercy unto them. Or perhaps it should be given in the spirit it was done unto others, in which case, that crew would find itself exempt (of that blessed mercy).
Thank you...
If you or anyone else is interested in looking deeper into this issue, I recommend reading John Marks' books "CIA: cult of intelligence" or " MKUltra: Search for the Manchurian Candidate"...
For further reading about even more sinister and horrific programming conducted with taxpayer money, google "Project Monarch" or "Cathy Obrien"... Some of these victims have escaped and been deprogrammed, and some of the programmers have left the groups they used to work for, and have written extensively about the ritual abuse and programming techniques they used to perpetuate... This is heavy reading, not for the faint of heart... This information is coming to light, as more and more victims of ritual abuse get the therapy necessary to heal their dissociative personality disorders and they begin to remember the horrible crimes committed against them as infants, children, and adults...
Granted, these programs have not been declassified or admitted to by the agencies conducting them, so come to your own conclusions...
Yet they are not limited to US gov't agencies by any means... There are survivors of torture from Palestine, China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia and other countries that have similar stories to tell...
However, the claims made by the survivors of project Monarch are similar to the victims of satanic ritual abuse, and these programs mirror the torture techniques done to iraqis at Abu Garaib, Afghanis at Bagram AFB, Guantanamo, and elsewhere... for reasons I cannot possibly fathom...
Hipnosis-bsnosis. When it comes to the public nobody listens to Rubin, nobody knows who he is. The problem comes from the corruption of those presently in power. The majority is well aware of it. They are simply not represented in government.