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Closing In on the Torturers
Do you think the wardens will let George Tenet wear his Presidential Medal of Freedom over the orange coverall?
Perhaps he and Donald Rumsfeld will end up doing time together in one of the prisons also slated to host what Rumsfeld called "the worst of the worst" from Guantanamo.
That would be poetic justice of a most ironic kind. And if the two former leaders do end up in prison they can count themselves fortunate for having dodged execution for their roles in a slew of capital offenses.
You see, punishments for violations of the War Crimes Act (18 U.S.C. 2441), applicable in their case, include the death penalty-often the sentence of choice if detainees die in their custody. And countless have.
Before you question my sanity, please know that I just completed the arduous task of reading the aging but devastating CIA Inspector General's report on torture.
Sickening
You can be forgiven for holding your nose while paging through the redacted version of the "CIA Inspector General's Special Review of Counterterrorism Detention and Interrogation Activities (September 2001 - October 2003)." Although heavily sanitized, it is still nauseating.
You can not be easily forgiven, though, if you don't make the effort to read with care at least some of this lurid account of the abuse of detainees held by the CIA-a narrative which is said to have sickened Attorney General Eric Holder and one which cries out for reinforced efforts toward accountability.
This is not the CIA in which I served for 27 years. I spent most of my career in the analysis directorate, but had substantial tours of duty in the other three directorates as well. There were abuses before the Bush/Cheney administration, but Bush and Cheney thoroughly corrupted both substance and operations, and enlisted creeps and charlatans to do their bidding. There is now reason to believe that the careerists and contractors who cooperated in the criminality will be held to account.
Positive news came on Monday with the announcement that Attorney General Eric Holder has broadened prosecutor John Durham's mandate to include cases in which CIA interrogators and contractors may have violated U.S. torture laws and other statutes. Durham has already spent over a year investigating the destruction of CIA videotapes of interrogations and thus is in position to jump-start the process of looking into related matters.
Durham is acutely aware that the tapes were destroyed not long after word got out that the CIA Inspector General had completed a Special Review on interrogation practices. Those CIA officers with custody of the tapes were acutely aware that, if the tapes wound up in the "wrong hands," there might well be hell to pay.
Unless someone squirreled away some duplicates, we will never see those tapes. But the IG report shines considerable light on what was done in the torture chambers the CIA was instructed to create and operate abroad. Holder's decision opens a hopeful new chapter in the complicated effort to hold to account those responsible for leading the country into the dark dungeons.
We can't say we weren't warned. Many will recall that former Vice President Dick Cheney set the tone just five days after 9/11, when he told Tim Russert:
"We also have to work, though, sort of the dark side, if you will. We've got to spend time in the shadows in the intelligence world. A lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies, if we're going to be successful. That's the world these folks operate in, and so it's going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal, basically, to achieve our objective."
Cheney tipped us off early to what he had in mind, apparently in the belief that most of us would go along. So far so good, from his perspective.
But recent months have seen him increasingly nervous and now that Holder has taken a major step forward, we can expect a vociferous and sustained reaction from Cheney and his avid supporters in the Fawning Corporate Media (FCM). Indeed, Cheney did not waste a day in voicing strong criticism of Holder's decision. And small wonder: Cheney's DNA can be found from top to bottom of the "chain of command" on torture.
Cheney's ace in the hole is his clearly signaled readiness to implicate former president George W. Bush, if any investigation of torture or other abuses manages to reach the most senior White House levels. Cheney calculates that Obama and Holder would shy away from doing that, but the former vice president is taking no chances.
Yes, the 100-page-plus CIA IG report bears the date May 7, 2004. And yes, former Vice President Dick Cheney's aphorism about "the dark side" is evoked by the hundreds of paragraphs completely blackened out (the thirsty report drank two full print cartridges). And yes, the entire four pages of the "Recommendations" section are blackened out.
Still, I think this is truly a case of better-late-than-never. And those of us who have been following this painful issue closely can readily fill in many of those paragraphs.
A Recommendation Right on the Mark
Unable to see beneath the black-out, it is left to us to make recommendations. Here's one for starters. It's not original; rather it came in the wake of the CIA role in coups in Iran (1953), Guatemala (1954), and South Vietnam (1963), to mention just a few.
As former President Harry Truman wrote in a Dec. 22, 1963 syndicated article titled "Limit CIA Role to Intelligence:"
"I...would like to see the CIA be restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President...and that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere. "We have grown up as a nation respected for our free institutions and for our ability to maintain a free and open society. There is something about the way the CIA has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic position and I feel that we need to correct it."
It is no surprise that President Truman felt very close to this, since it was he who pushed very hard to create the CIA. His purpose was two-fold: to prevent another Pearl Harbor and to create an independent agency he could depend upon to speak to him and his senior advisers without fear or favor-an agency with guaranteed access to all significant sources of information on a given country or issue.
As he explained in the widely published op-ed:
"I decided to set up a special organization charged with the collection of all intelligence reports from every available source, and to have those reports reach me as President without department ‘treatment' or interpretations."
But a sentence that was shoehorned into the National Security Act of 1947 also authorized the president to use the CIA to perform "other functions and duties." And that secret role including covert action gradually came to dwarf what was originally the primary task of speaking plain truth to power.
For much of CIA's 62 years, that one-sentence tail has been wagging the CIA dog, marginalizing its central role to collect information, analyze it, and present the truth in as unvarnished a way as humanly possible.
Looking Back
George Tenet was a disaster as Director of Central Intelligence. Although it was a major part of his job description, before 9/11, to ensure that the entire intelligence community was functioning as an organic whole, he much preferred hobnobbing with princes and potentates abroad and backslapping senior officials in Washington.
With 15 intelligence units in the federal government, there is always a strong centripetal tendency, and Tenet's misfeasance in managing the community resulted in important pre-9/11 intelligence falling through the cracks. His malfeasance in "fixing" substantive intelligence to support President Bush's wish to attack Iraq and then enthusiastically carrying out Bush/Cheney orders for torture and other abuses marks the worst chapter in Agency history-bar none.
Even so, before 9/11 Tenet did manage to give his good buddy Bush and then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice quite enough in the way of repeated warnings that they should have, well, at least seen to it that the airlines put locks on cockpit doors. CIA directors keep copies of such warnings, of course, and this made Bush reluctant to fire Tenet after the terrorist attacks.
A kind of mutual blackmail ensued, disguised as good-ol'-boy bonhomie. I won't fire you, George, if you promise not to tell anyone how many times you warned me that something very big and very bad was going to happen. And, from now on, you'll do exactly as I say. Newt Gingrich, like Cheney a frequent visitor to CIA headquarters in those years, commented that George Tenet was so grateful to Bush for not firing him, that he "would do anything for him."
Including Perjury?
The most tangible manifestation of this Faustian bargain came on April 14, 2004 when Tenet lied under oath before the 9/11 commission to protect Bush. Tenet told the commission under the prime-time klieg lights that he had not spoken to Bush-even on the telephone-during the entire month of August 2001.
It turns out that Tenet was lying. He did visit Crawford not once but twice during August and briefed Bush again in Washington at the end of the month. After the TV cameras were shut off, Tenet's public affairs folks phoned the commission staff to say Oops, Tenet misspoke.
The backslapping Tenet made another fast friend of FBI Director Robert Mueller. The two conspired to fulfill White House wishes to magnify the threat from al-Qaeda about which, when all was said and done, relatively little was actually known. Exaggerating threats became a widespread cottage industry, as former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge learned as he struggled to keep color-coded warnings from being blatantly coordinated for the political purposes of the White House.
FBI Director Rehearses
FBI Director Robert Mueller led the chorus, stating solemnly to Congress and anyone who would listen, "Our greatest threat is from al-Qaeda cells in the United States that we have not been able to identify." Please, take a minute to think that sentence through. It may parse okay; but what does it really mean?
In February 2003 Mueller warned that hundreds of Al-Qa'ida operatives are hiding throughout the U.S. planning potentially catastrophic attacks, but that the FBI did not know who or where they are.
The "greatest threat" but not yet identified. Does this not remind you of George Tenet's Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq? Sounds like a corollary to the Rumsfeldian dictum: "The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." Truly a strange way to do intelligence. And reminiscent of then-UN chief weapons inspector's telling comment to U.S. officials regarding the threat of WMD in Iraq:
"It's sort of puzzling, I think, that you can have 100 per cent certainty about the weapons of mass destruction's existence, and zero certainty about where they are."
And so it was with al-Qaeda cells in the U.S.
Ready for this? There were no cells. And please, don't conjure up "threatening" groups like the feckless one from Lackawanna-the entrapment case that was the best the FBI could do in manufacturing enemies within! Not to mention the most egregious example; i. e., the thousand immigrants detained for six to twelve months immediately after 9/11, with none-not one-being charged with terrorism.
Eager to please the White House, Mueller had learned to blow smoke, as we say in the trade.
What's the connection here with the CIA Inspector General's report? Just this: if the FBI director points to al-Qaeda cells-real or imagined-in the U.S. as the greatest threat to our national security, there is a high premium on what former President George W. Bush called "the hunt." Smoke ‘em out; and find ways to make ‘em tell us who and where in the U.S. their compatriots are lurking.
Read the following excerpts from the CIA Inspector General report text (page 83ff) and weep:
"According to a number of those interviewed for this Review, the Agency's intelligence on Al-Qa'ida was limited prior to the CTC (Counterterrorist Center) Program. The Agency lacked adequate linguists or subject matter experts and had very little hard knowledge of what particular Al-Qa'ida leaders-who later became detainees-knew. This lack of knowledge led analysts to speculate about what a detainee ‘should know,' vice information the analyst could objectively demonstrate the detainee did know....
"When a detainee did not respond to a question posed to him, the assumption at Headquarters was that the detainee was holding back and knew more; consequently, Headquarters recommended resumption of EITs [enhanced interrogation techniques].
"[a page-plus blackened] is evidenced in the final waterboard session of Abu Zubaydah. According to a senior CTC officer, the interrogation team considered Abu Zubaydah to be compliant and wanted to terminate EITs. [word(s) redacted] believed Abu Zubaydah continued to withhold information, [three lines redacted] at the time it generated substantial pressure from Headquarter to continue use of the EITs.
"According to this senior officer, the decision to resume use of the waterboard on Abu Zubaydah was made by senior officers of the DO [Directorate of Operations]. [one line redacted] to assess Abu Zubaydah's compliance and witnessed the final waterboard session, after which, they reported back to Headquarters that the EITs were no longer needed on Abu Zubaydah."
In their "Conclusions" section, the IG uses bloodless prose to make this painful observation:
"Agency officers report that reliance on analytical assessments that were unsupported by credible intelligence may have resulted in the application of EITs without justification. Some participants in the Program, particularly field interrogators, judge that CTC assessments to the effect that detainees are withholding information are not always supported by an objective evaluation of available information and the evaluation of the interrogators but are too heavily based, instead, on presumptions of what the individual might or should know."
People were tortured on the basis of "presumptions." Nice.
A More "Robust" Approach
Back to Abu Zubaydah: his capture in March 2002 "presented the Agency with a significant dilemma," as the IG explains the Introduction to the Special Review:
"The Agency was under pressure to do everything possible to prevent additional terrorist attacks. Senior Agency officials believed Abu Zubaydah was withholding information that could not be obtained through then-authorized interrogation techniques. Agency officials believed that a more robust approach was necessary to elicit threat information from Abu Zubaydah and possibly from other senior Al-Qa'ida high value detainees."
The IG report makes it clear that these requirements "presented new challenges for CIA...including identifying qualified personnel to manage and carry out detention and interrogation activities. CTC implemented training programs for interrogators and debriefers. Here's a revealing footnote reflecting an attempt to help a torturer's apprentice distinguish between interrogators and debriefers (from page 6 of the Summary):
"An interrogator is a person who completes a two-week [!] interrogations training program, which is designed to train, qualify, and certify a person to administer EITs. An interrogator can administer EITs during the interrogation of a detainee only after the field, in coordination with Headquarters, assesses the detainee as withholding information. An interrogator transitions the detainee from a non-cooperative to a cooperative phase in order that a debriefer can elicit actionable intelligence through non-aggressive techniques during debriefing sessions."
Got that? It's the same basic rationale that former Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller introduced into Guantanamo, and then Abu Ghraib. Remember? The MPs were instructed to soften up the detainees. The preferred euphemism was "prepare the conditions for successful interrogation."
As reluctant as President Barack Obama seems to be to address the torture issue, the CIA Inspector General report, for which the ACLU filed a successful Freedom of Information Act suit, is impossible to ignore. A spokesman for Obama said Tuesday that decisions on how to proceed with the inquiry lie in the hands of Attorney General Holder, who appears willing to take the heat. Fox News, oblivious to the irony, is already calling Holder's announcement the beginning of an "Inquisition."
While the inquiry is said to involve only those CIA people who went beyond the Department of Justice's very flexible guidelines regarding harsh interrogation, in my view it will be very difficult to keep the investigation within those tight parameters.
There is a growing chance that, at the end of the day, those up the food chain will not escape being held accountable. By this point in time most observers are fully aware that the most rotten apples were at the very top, not the bottom, of the barrel.
Endangering Morale at CIA?
What Americans need to know is that only a miniscule percentage of CIA officers approve of torture. The vast majority oppose it-whether for utilitarian reasons (as we have seen, it does not work, unless you are after unreliable information); or for moral reasons (including a decent respect for the opinion of mankind, as someone once put it). Most believe Patrick Henry had it right, when he insisted that the rack and screw have no place in the New World.
So what about morale? Let's address head-on the self-serving canard that would have us believe that exposing torture and other abuses would damage morale at the CIA and other intelligence agencies.
You may recall that Gen. Michael Hayden, even while still CIA director, was going around town telling folks that he had warned the new president not to allow an investigation into controversial activities like waterboarding, or else "no one in Langley will ever take a risk again." Rubbish.
Hayden was not only blowing smoke; he was also gravely insulting the great majority of CIA employees who have served, and continue to serve, with honor.
At a public forum in late April, former Vice President Walter Mondale exposed the speciousness of the Hayden-cum-Bush-holdovers argument. Mondale was one of the Senators on the Church Committee, which during the mid-Seventies unearthed the unlawful activities of COINTELPRO and other serious abuses by the CIA and other intelligence agencies.
Speaking out of that experience, Mondale noted that then, too, concern over the effect on agency morale was voiced both before the Church investigation got under way and while it was proceeding.
The concern proved totally unfounded, according to Mondale, as it quickly became apparent that agency personnel called before the Church Committee were thankful for the chance to get the truth out, get a heavy burden off their shoulders, and put the scandal behind them.
More important, the truth that was brought to light made it possible for the country to resolve how several key national security structural and legal issues were to be addressed in the future. Much of that wisdom and many of the legal protections introduced at that time were blithely disregarded by the Bush administration. It is time to get back on the track of legality.
As veteran CIA operative Bob Baer told an interviewer on Monday, there is no reason why CIA should be considered above the law. "Indeed, the agency does its best work when operating within the law," said Baer.
At one point, he himself was accused and investigated on grounds that he went beyond what was permitted by law and regulation governing his operations in Iraq. Baer was able to show that he had adhered to the letter, as well as the spirit, of the law. The investigation ended, and Baer continued to shine as one of CIA's best operatives in the Middle East.
As for the need for holding people to account, Mondale had this to say:
"Holding people responsible in some way for what happened is very important. If the verdict here is that you can do these kinds of things and there are no consequences, then that leaves a precedent. I've been around the federal government long enough to know that if there is a bad precedent, it's like leaving a loaded pistol on the kitchen table. You don't know who is going to pick it up and pull the trigger. There need to be consequences for violating the law."
So, hats off to Attorney General Eric Holder, who could have tried to keep dodging the issue; and to the president as well, for deciding to give Holder leeway to do the right thing, despite the inevitable controversy they both had hoped somehow to avoid. In his announcement Holder was refreshingly straightforward: "As Attorney General, my duty is to examine the facts and to follow the law. In this case, given all of the information currently available, it is clear to me that this review is the only responsible course of action for me to take."
So let's clean up the mess as quickly as possible. Then we will be able to move on, in due course, to address the kind of simple but sensible recommendation made by President Truman's 46 years ago.


59 Comments so far
Show AllC'mon, Mr. McGovern...you were doing good for a bit, but to pass by 9/11 and not even hint that it was a false flag operation seems to indicate superficiality at the least and gatekeeping at the most.
Nevergiveup
You may be a little too harsh in your criticism of Mr. McGovern. In the book 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out Vol. 1 by David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, McGovern writes in a blurb for the book that:
"It has long been clear that the Bush/Cheney administration cynically exploited the attacks of 9/11 to promote its imperial designs. But the present volume confronts us with compelling evidence for an even more disturbing conclusion: that the 9/11 attacks were themselves orchestrated by this administration precisely so they could be thus exploited."
He went on to say that "I give this book, which in no way can be dismissed as the ravings of 'paranoid conspiracy theorists', my highest possible recommendation."
Ray McGovern should not be lumped in with left gatekeepers such as Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn.
Erroll August 27th, 2009 10:07 am Absolutely...that is not my intention. BUT, in this particular article, he is quite obviously skirting the issue. Omissions like this do not simply happen.
"Omissions like this do not simply happen"
Guys, the torture stuff is a red herring.
Look for records of detainees who were questioned, released, then disappeared...in the "dark side" op that covered the tracks of the ninelevenperps.
A most laudatory article concerning the Bush government's complicit involvement in torture written by Ray McGovern. I only wish that I could share his enthusiasm that Tenet, Rumsfeld and Cheney will be brought to justice for their misdeeds as it remains to be seen if the pusillanimous Democrats will actually decide to pursue this investigation. There was much hope that Patrick Fitzgerald would put Karl Rove behind bars. Not only did Rove escape jail time he was not even indicted by Fitzgerald. Does Eric Holder have the word accountability in his vocabulary? Why has Obama not proclaimed that they will not remain free? Or will he continue to say that it is time to "move forward"?
Excellent! Ray McGovern.
I like the jist of what CIA Ray says--but certainly he knows in his CIA heart that no one important is going down--maybe we can get some spook-types to do the job for us?
We must not be lead by humanesque people who engage in Dr. Mengele-style party games. The rotten apples eventually spread throughout the barrel.
Great for composting though - which would allow for greener pastures for the rest of us who merely want a world of justice and peace.
I'm praying for this reality!
Get real these people are not going down...This is Amerika and what we do is always right..Obama is right in step with those who did this..he is reinstating rendition is he not..and on and on..
I agree with the previous comments. No one important is likely to go down. But, at least McGovern, and others, are sticking to this issue. They need to be given a lot of credit for this. I just wish secret organizations didn't exist at all. I don't believe good can come from them. How did we get to this point, today, where we are rehashing basic human rights and the very idea of torture. I think we've got some serious psychological issues to contend with.
Mr. McGovern "I am sure" was a 'member' of the CIA--back when it was 'NOT' corrupt. So his words on the subject are 'noteworthy'---(sans an apology/disclaimer etc).
The fact that so many people at so many levels were willing to participate in crimes they KNEW were not pardonable, is a direct indication of how corrupt and devoid of integrity and credibility the American mind set is.
The most obvious question is not 'whether' the Bush administration members should be brought to trial, but 'where' and under 'what authority' will those trials be conducted.
The Nazi and Japanese POWs (the criminals who allowed themselves to be captured by the allies) who were tried and convicted in the Nuremberg Tribunals were charged with many of the same crimes that the Americans committed more than 60 years later. To try the 'American Criminals' anywhere else but in the same or equivalent courts would be a mockery that the world could not tolerate.
The USA is currently existing on 'borrowed' time, money and patience-----all of it issued by a world that is no longer willing to tolerate the very same crimes that the Americans held others accountable for in the past.
America, walk softly and carefully: your days could be numbered in the few. If you do not handle this problem of your own creation in a manner you yourselves handled it in 1948----you will 'fall' and it will be in a swift and bloody death.
And you will have brought it upon yourselves.
Good Luck America, you really need it.
NativeSon August 27th, 2009 12:05 pm..............And when do you believe the CIA was not corrupt? Of course, in today's America, the very word 'corrupt' has taken on many meanings. Perhaps we should start with a definition of corrupt, eh?
But recent months have seen him increasingly nervous and now that Holder has taken a major step forward, we can expect a vociferous and sustained reaction from Cheney and his avid supporters in the Fawning Corporate Media (FCM).
All the comments are correct. Nothing is going to come of this "investigation". Certainly neither Bush nor Cheney will ever see the inside of a prison or the end of a rope. OBAMA DOESN'T WANT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN. So nothing will happen. The Republicans and Neocons would lynch Obama from a dead tree if they had the chance. And yet Obama will protect those bastards. What a contemptible fool he is.
Seriously...uncle barry has a major opportunity to turn things around and impliment real and positive "CHANGE" into our ever declining collective moral soul. In so many areas. And yet he flatly refuses to a do the right thing time after time after time. My god, I can't even look at the guy any more. How can he look at himself?
Mr Holder, I hope (agh that word) you have more integrity than your boss. I live for the day cheney tries to point the finger at dubya in a coury of law.
I do believe he was talking about the resulting torture and not 9/11... Focus…
Amused August 27th, 2009 12:07 pm..........I must assume you are replying to me, since I'm the only commentor speaking of 9/11. Focus!
The official story of 9/11 is a lie. In any article, whether or not it is the main topic, it should be treated as such; not under the guise of the "official story".
Still missing the point... Focus some more...
Amused August 27th, 2009 3:05 pm.............Now you're learning.
Cool...
According to Pew Research Center (http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1210/torture-opinion-religious-differences), 62% of US white evangelical Protestants and 51% of US white non-Hispanic Catholics think torture is often or sometimes justified on suspected terrorists.
With large numbers of Americans supporting torture, how likely is it that Cheney, Runsfield, Ashcroft and Gonzalez will be prosecuted?
The poll was, I believe, inaccurate by allowing for 3 categories of torture and only one of no torture. If the question allowed only "always" and "never" as responses I suspect the outcome would have found a minority supporting the always proposition.
it really doesn't matter how a question is "framed" .
there is too much credence in the USA "discourse" about matters of such importance and FUNDAMENTAL , INSTINCTIVE truths , placed on "how something is FRAMED".
any ASS can understand that to torture - or even AVOIDING that word - to CAUSE DIFFICULTY or DISCOMFORT to someone because one has some "Power" over that someone else - for ANY reason whatsoever is simply
EVIL. it is simply CRUEL.
even children can understand that instinctively.
americans are simply - both from the "pollster" point and the "respondent" point - COLLECTIVELY PRETENDING that things have to be "FRAMED" ...
when in reality -- they KNOW deep down - it IS about TORTURE.
and TORTURE for ANY REASON is inhumane, Cruel, UNcivilized and EVIL .
as some person said - i don't recall who exactly..but perhaps someone who was once INVOLVED in such things or studying it in societies...whatever circumnstances ...
"THE TRUE REASON for TORTURE --- is .......TO TORTURE".
everything ELSE:
"national security".
"protecting LIVES".
"protecting our WAY of life".
"protecting FREEDOM and Democracy"..
"protecting...protecting, protecting".....
is an EXCUSE for TORTURERS and those that dream up ways to torture and give orders
to apply one and only ONE thing:
TO TORTURE for ITS OWN SAKE...at the bottom of the whole CRAVEN, MENDACIOUS< EVIL barrel of rottenness and EVIL.
regardless of the justifications...
TO TORTURE for the sake of "national security",...
"in moments of EMERGENCY"......
is NO DIFFERENT in its utter , fundmanetal EVIL and CRUELTY.....
as that when a bad child takes a dragon fly - catches it - NOT because he is fascinated with its BEAUTY and UNIQUENESS or merely the sheer joy of "accomplishing" having "caught it"
but to eventually also realize it TOO is a creature over whom HE - the child - has NO right to POSSESS or have OWNERSHIP over , especially its freedom and natural state - and THIS is called EMPATHY coupled with AMAZEMENT at the beauty around himself , and THEREFORE RELEASES it ....
but a bad child, perhaps having seen some examples somewhere ....
not only catches the dragonfly -- but proceeds to slowly, gradually, pull out the legs, the wings, takes PLEASURE in watching the dragonfly squirm and tremble in agony......
THAT is TORTURE.
it doesn't take an "advanced" society such as the USA
with all its proclamations about "human rights", Moralizing, "beacon of freedom" blah, blah, blah.......
to KNOW - among its own citizens -
that NO Civilization is even WORTHY of its name or even WORTHY of being "preserved"
Unless it collectively TRULY abhors such things as Torture
EVEN for the sake of "security, safety and preserving our way of life".
was there NOT a lesson in the Bible - that Americans might as well RECALL?.......
The Story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
where "god" or his angel told the prophet...whoever that was...
"I shall destroy all of Sodom and Gomorrah for their evils"....
and the prophet begged....please don't ....if i can find just 10 good people out of the tens of thousands...please , for their sake, spare them....
and yet he couldn't find even that....
HOW MUCH MORE if the USA has ...what?
MAJORITIES of entire classes , ethnicities, religious affiliations CALLING THEMSELVES CRHISTIANS in the name of a person that was TORTURED TO DEATH - jesus -
CONDONING TORTURE
"in certain cases?"
is that HOW LOW american "christians" have GONE or are WILLING to do because they are so FRIGHTENED that some terrorists will blow up -- what a building? a city?
when americans THEMSELVES with ALL their war culture and exploitative policies - HAVE created enemies where there SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN - or are destroying the fabric of THEIR own soceity of because of THEIR own selfishness, greed, "me, ,me. me"
culture?
have americans like that NO SHAME at ALL?
Common Dreamers do not be misinformed by the smooth-talking outrage of that flaming liar (or willfully very stupid) Ray McGovern.
Ray sez:
"This is not the CIA in which I served for 27 years. I spent most of my career in the analysis directorate, but had substantial tours of duty in the other three directorates as well."
The Truth--(Don't take my word for it go and view "Troturing Democracy")
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/torturingdemocracy/program/
The methods and techniques used by Gen. Miller and the rest of the monsters at Guantanamo, Baghram, Abu Ghraib, and all the rest of the contract prisons were largely taken from the Kubark manual developed originally by the CIA in the 50's and early 60's as an experiment in mind control which was a monstrous failure.
They were also adapted from the SERE training used to condition soldiers to torture techninques that were used by the Koreans, Russains, Veitnamese, and Chinese on captured American military personnel.
These techniques are great for getting someone to say whatever you want them to--but totally useless for extracting actionable intelligence because a tortured subject will say anything they guess you want to hear to get the torture to stop.
Ray was not exactly a clerk typist at the CIA and the idea that he could say such a blatant lie as the quote above and not get called on it is ludicrous.
Ray cites Harry Truman's op-ed in the WaPo and then acts like it was in response to the CIA coups in Iran and Guatamala. (which is itself an amazing admission for a former company wise guy like Ray)
It's date of publication, 11/22/63, shows that it was not Ol' Harry ruminating on the events of a decade previous, but, rather, expressing his concern that the CIA had a central role in the Kennedy assassination one month to the day previously.
Finally, Ray seeks to justify the CIA by saying:
"Hayden was not only blowing smoke; he was also gravely insulting the great majority of CIA employees who have served, and continue to serve, with honor."
Gag me with a pint of Ipecac! The Mafia has employed many fine and honest managers and employees of their money-laundering front businesses, as well as other innocents to handle the routine nuts and bolts tasks required by any organization to function.
At the end of the day however, the Mafia is an organized crime venture and a scourge on any society in which it exists as is the CIA. (and no accident that both have been in intimate alliance since the CIA's birth).
Ray McGovern was (is) too high-ranking an individual not to know this and hence, anything short of an acknowledgement of his role as an enabler of such a vile enterprise as the CIA is as big a job of blowing smoke as he accuses others of doing.
Poet
This is some of what I have been saying about McGovern. Once CIA, always CIA. He would like to portray himself as part of the "good CIA" and not part of the "bad CIA." This is what the CIA does - - trickery, lies, murder, torture, corruption - - he claims he is not part of that. I would also like to expand on the issue by noting that McGovern has nothing to say about current Obama involvement in CIA activity but concentrating on Bush/Cheney. Obama would have us believe that the CIA with Panetta has been cleaned up. Let us take just one outrageous issue of Rendition. Obama tells us that Rendition will now be monitored and no torture will be practiced but leaves the practice intact. This practice is to seize someone in a foreign country violently, against their will (often called kidnapping), secretly removed to another country without any legal procedure and kept at a secret location. This is the practice that Obama is making more humane (no reason to believe that) and the news media and commentators say that is good, that's better, no problem, ignore it, no story here. This is some of the work of CIA and it's helpers such as Blackwater. McGovern has no complaint with this activity as he is more concerned with the past. He is not concerned with torture now that Obama's torture oversight group is on the job. The program seems to be working with the help of McGovern, the media and others - - no story here, let's nail Bush/Cheney. McGovern gets coverage in virtually every Left/Progressive/Liberal publication on the internet as soon as he has a new article. My contention is that McGovern has always been and is still working with the old gang at the CIA and has been extremely successful at infiltrating this Left/Progressive/Liberal media.
poet - that was right on. appreciate it.
let's not forget - while on the subject of jfk - that jfk was about to dismantle the cia
solution: blow his fucking brains out
hey it worked well in all the other cia malfeasances - death squads in honduras, the murder of arbanz, chile, san salvador etc and so on
regarding, Abu Zubaydah, the cia was avoiding bringing him into court because of his advanced conditon of mental disease - paranoid schizophrenic - he would have been deemed unfit to stand trial. for the cia he was fit enough to torture and use as a patsy though, so long as he was himself redacted completely from public view.
he was a phantom - a name like kaiser sosie - to scare little children.
as is osama bin laden, who was killed by british commandos in 2003
its hard to know what game ray is playing - but his defense of the cia tells me he is a heartless murdering psycho for pax americana
hey ray - how many people did you kill in your 27 years - be honest
how many countries did you destroy
your good cia guy/bad cia guy routine is full of shit
and your finishing flare of "let's get this mess cleaned up" - which you know will never happen - makes me sick
ray: next time you write a peice for CD why don't you disclose the name of the cia "asset" who blew our president's brains out on national tv in dallas texas november 1963
do something useful for a change
lebeau August 27th, 2009 3:34 pm....Rosseli, Nicoletti and a pro assassin named Files (the grassy knoll shooter).
Yeah Poet, and others,
Guys, I think we need to read a bit between the lines here. Is a lot of Ray's stuff CIA spin? Absolutely, otherwise he'd never be able to justify printing it. Does it reveal important insights into the most evil, vile and treasonous Administration the USA has ever had?
Yes, I believe Ray's great articles do just that. Keep in mind, that when you are invited into Buckingham Palace for tea, you can't demand that the Queen give you Crown Jewels on your first visit, now can you? And CIA is no doubt one of the murkiest, far-flung empires the Earth has ever known.
Let's face it. The Central Intelligence Agency (in concert with other agencies) is nothing short of a Bona Fide World Government. I mean, that's how it's always functioned. Problem with Iran? Install Saddam in Iraq. Problem with Panama? Install Noriega with a phony election, while all his critics slip on a banana peel.
So it doesn't really surprise me that the Bush family would corrupt Die Bold voting machines CEO right here in the US? No. The same CEO, who lived in Crawford, Texas and install the bushmonkey as President? No. The Bush crime family has always been deep in CIA: they had phony elections down to an art form. "Poppy Bush" ran the Agency, remember? They didn't call him "Poppy" for nothing, you know. Iran Contra/drug flights where all the rage while the Gipper slumbered peacefully through all his cabinet meetings.
But Ray can't talk about that, so quit asking him. Let's just sip our tea and hope he eventually gives us Darth Viper's head on a pike.
If we could try Viper for war crimes and sentence him, I, along with most other Americans, would forgive CIA for every nasty thing they ever did.
TJ
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
We try to extract allegations of the Bush Administration from "suspected" detainees, who may or may not be guilty!
Under torture, maybe they will admit their part in 9-11!
But 9-11 makes no sense at all because it is all made up.
So, the information you are torturing for is false to begin with!
As they say, under torture the victim will tell you what you want to hear. Maybe that's what the Bush Administration was hoping for.
See how tangled things get when you ignore the truth. You have to start with the truth to get to the truth!
Oh, this is an excellent piece. Thank you. Great job.
Seems to me that McGovern's writings on Common Dreams appear as journalistic pieces and not as a special prosacutor or continuing extention of the CIA, thus best to use them as journalistic pieces.
Here's to watching Tenet with his medal on his orange suit!
- my quibble:
McGovern takes the virtue of understatement a step too far in dealing with Bush and Tenet. Even if one does believe that Al Qaeda hit the Pentagon and the Towers, the likelihood of collusion goes beyond McGovern's narrative here - as I suspect he intends that we conclude.
What discussion could have taken place at Crawford before the attacks?
"Al Qaeda will/may attack blah blah blah . . . "
"Gee, thanks, George. You want an orange soda?"
It seems far more likely that this discussion would have included at least a contingency plan.
Considering subsequent events, it does not seem at all likely that said plan included a way to prevent the attacks, but how best to profit from their fallout.
This is particularly disturbing, if not new, because of how completely the pattern fits other government actions. So,for instance, we find at
wwwDOTgregpalasDOTcomSLASHexpert-fired-who-warned-levees-would-burst
the following:
"As Hurricane Katrina came ashore, van Heerden and the State Police there were high-fiving it: Katrina missed the city of New Orleans, turning east.
"What they did not know was that the levees had cracked. For crucial hours, the White House knew, but withheld the information that the levees of New Orleans had broken and that the city was about to drown. Bush's boys did not notify the State of the flood to come which would have allowed police to launch an emergency hunt for the thousands that remained stranded."
The bushAdmin and the crony squad stood to profit and profited from both events.
This is not collusion to cover up incompetence or neglect after the fact. This amounts to thousands of counts of conspiracy to commit murder, done within the national borders of the United States by its high officials.
odoco
Remember Blackwater's early entry into New Orleans? Remember the no-bid contracts awarded to - yes, you guessed it - KBR/Halliburton? Remember the privatization of the public school system? Naomi Klein's marvelous book, "The Shock Doctrine" illuminates much of what you suggest.
odoco
To all of you who condemn McGovern for this, as well as other pieces he has penned, I would simply ask:
Is there useful information in this article that could help educate some who are totally ignorant of, or mistakenly supportive of Bush's little terror regime?
Would the general discussion of same topic have been better, fuller, more exact if McGovern had not penned this piece?
Has McGovern not been active and in the forefront of many actions / discussions consistently condemning the actions of the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld cabal?
I understand why many would suspicion McGovern's past, and even possibly his motives. I don't understand this blanket condemnation of everything he has done, is doing, or may do in the future?
odoco asks:
Would the general discussion of same topic have been better, fuller, more exact if McGovern had not penned this piece?
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When Joe Valachi went before the McClellan commitee and spilled everything he personally knew about the exisence and operation of La Cosa Nostra, he didn't try to pretend that he was some innocent who was shocked, simply shocked that his business associates were involved in an organized criminal conspiracy. He was up to his ears in it himself and admitted as much.
This gave Valachi a credibility that lying and hypocritical Ray McGovern lacks. As high ranking as Ray was and as varied as his career with "the company" was, he, like Valachi, was up to his ears in the knowlewdge and awareness of CIA organized criminal activity.
odoco then asks:
Would the general discussion of same topic have been better, fuller, more exact if McGovern had not penned this piece?
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The general discussion of this topic would have been better, fuller, and more exact if McGovern had acknowledged the vile rotteness of the CIA to its executive and policy making core. Everything from overthrowing and murdering democratically elected leaders (Arbenz, Lamumba, Allende and Diem to name but a few of many) to trying to put out a contract on Martin Luther King Jr., to coordinating the assassinations of John and Robert Kennedy--this outfit is evil to its core.
odoco finally asks:
Has McGovern not been active and in the forefront of many actions / discussions consistently condemning the actions of the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld cabal?
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McGovern and the VIPS are pissed off because Dumbya, Cheney, Rummy, Ashcroft, Gonzo, and company tried to muscle in on his company's territory. What you are reading in Ray McGovern's rants is the internicene warfare between one rotten branch of government (the CIA) and another (the Bush and increasingly the Obama White Houses)--the proper response should be "a plague on both their houses".
Poet
odoco
Poet - thank you for your response and its specificity. You may know much more about this than I, but I have read McGovern's work for the last several years and feel that he has shown light where others would have preferred darkness.
I am in total sync with you regarding the CIA in general, and I do not necessarily believe that Mr. McGovern is totally innocent of moral wrongdoings; that would be a stretch of the imagination considering the nature of the animal in which he resided for so many years. On the other hand, and with all do respect to your obvious knowledge and feelings, I will not totally condemn anyone, regardless of who they are or what they have done (with a few notorious exceptions), who for whatever reasons, helps to illuminate the tragedy that has become this nation. Mr. McGovern has helped me, and I am sure many others, more fully understand what, to you, may seem obvious.
I also agree with you assessment of the internecine conflicts that control the inner workings of our government, especially those concerned with national security. Thank you for you thoughts and insights on that topic.
I would highly recommend Tim Weiner's book, "Legacy of Ashes: A History of the CIA," to anyone wanting to do more indepth analysis of the subject.
Again, thanks for your views.
Odoco
Another book which goes even further than "Legacy of Ashes" in its depiction of how corrupt and malignant the CIA is and how many more illegal operations the CIA has been involved in that Weiner does not, for some unknown reason, touch upon is "Killing Hope: U.S. Military and C.I.A. Interventions since World War II-Updated through 2003" by William Blum. I have ordered that book and it should be arriving in a few days.
every country with a sizable and established enough beaurocracy for supposed "governance" probably has secret organizations such as the CIA, unfortunately.
but that does not mean that "because" it is likely more normal than otherwise that something such as the CIA SHOULD EVEN EXIST to begin with.
one could only hope that mankind would have grown enough to evolve governments and societies so that the SUPPOSED "need" for such organizations like the CIA are even in the realm of consideration OR even imagination.
but it is clear that if ANY nation on earth has made CRIMINAL organizations fundamentally geared towards global dominance for its nation (and in many ways ENSURING that others will try to copy as a response or defense) and then promotes its secretiveness and criminal actions outside of any ethics or morality or "law" -
that is the USA.
just as it is , and has BEEN, for generations the world's biggest and "most successful empire" ..."and we got away with building this empire through torture, assassinations, manipulations, blackmail, fomenting instabilities in uncooperative countries...to render weaker nations permanently subjugated to our will and our chamber of commerce...etc...and is part of a VERY, VERY VICIOUS system of exploitation that dehumanizes and enslaves people everywhere...i was part of that Empire Building..." (John Perkins, Former CIA "economic hitmam") .....
so it is also , with its CIA and other dark operations like that , fronting as "civilizing" and "bringing freedom" and "protecting the US national interests and security" --
WHILE UNDERMINING the security and independence of OTHER nations , the USA that gestates , and births and grows what basically should NEVER even exist in the realm of human civilization.
in the words of General Smedley Butler, US MARINE, 1933 speeches in HIS own confessions of being the "High Class Muscle Man" for the US "armed forces" to "make the world safe for our Supernationalistic Capitalism and our Economic and Cultural Assault"....
and "at the behest of our Big Banks, Big Finance, Big Corporations, Chamber of Commerce in their WAR and MONEY RACKETS"......
it is ...in his own Words:
" I would have no more to do with it,...i KNEW...but for 30 years , even as I quickly realized the true nature of our policies..I SUSPENDED my Conscience...knowing that what WE DO .......
IS EVIL".
Nonviolent Jesus
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Monday, April 27, 2009
Understanding Torture
The first job of the American Resistance is to understand the forces arrayed against us. The tendency to personalize political forces is a temptation which the corporate media encourages us to indulge and which dissipates the power of our critique. While people make politics and exercise power, their decisions are usually a response to forces that are not personal and in most cases, have little if any respect for the value of humanity to which the Resistance is committed. President Obama, for instance, is by all evidence a sincere and intelligent man, committed to the moral good as he understands it, but now part of a system that does not respect that moral good. His administration serves at the pleasure of the national security apparatus, as has every President since John F. Kennedy, whose death at the hands of that apparatus is graphic evidence to each successor of the consequences of disobedience.
There is no significant constituency for democracy or the rule of law within the ruling elite. They respect wealth and the pleasures wealth brings to themselves and their cohorts. Many of them sincerely believe that the virtues cultivated in striving for wealth are the highest ideals to which humanity can attain. But, sincere or not, these “virtues” drive the policies of their agencies such as the IMF and the World Bank.
The purpose of torture is to intimidate dissidents and enforce obedience to corporate priorities. The methods used in Guantanamo and the Middle East were developed during the U.S. led coup in Chile which established Pinochet and implemented the first massive neoliberal experiments of the current era. The technique that Obama has employed in releasing selective information about what is done to those who question U.S. dominance follows a classic pattern.
Naomi Klein wrote concerning torture, "But this fear [of torture] has to be finely calibrated. The people being intimidated need to know enough to be afraid but not so much that they demand justice. This helps explain why the Defense Department will release certain kinds of seemingly incriminating information about Guantanamo--pictures of men in cages, for instance--at the same time that it acts to suppress photographs on a par with what escaped from Abu Ghraib. ...This strategic leaking of information, combined with official denials, induces a state of mind that Argentines describe as 'knowing/not knowing,' a vestige of their 'dirty war.'" - Naomi Klein, "Torture's Dirty Secret: It Works"
The purpose of letting people know some gruesome details of torture while holding back others is clear: "...when they use rendition and torture as a threat, it's undeniable that they benefit, in some sense, from the fact that people know that intelligence agents are willing to act unlawfully. They benefit from the fact that people understand the threat and believe it to be credible." - Naomi Klein, "Torture's Dirty Secret: It Works"
In other words, both of Obama's decisions inform potential dissidents that U.S. intelligence practices torture and that the practitioners will not be prosecuted. At last, the pattern emerges: "This is torture's true purpose: to terrorize--not only the people in Guantánamo's cages and Syria's isolation cells but also, and more important, the broader community that hears about these abuses. Torture is a machine designed to break the will to resist--the individual prisoner's will and the collective will." - Naomi Klein, "Torture's Dirty Secret: It Works"
If there are investigations of the Bush torture policy, it is likely that they will be used to further desensitize Americans toward torture, normalizing it into one more instrument of imperial policy. Once the instruments are on the table, dissidents will understand what’s in store for those who contradict the new consensus.
Posted by Boyd at 12:43 AM
The poster states:"President Obama, for instance, is by all evidence a sincere and intelligent man, committed to the moral good as he understands it, but now part of a system that does not respect that moral good."
I cannot accept this. All the evidence of fact, reality and actuality have established just the opposite of what the poster states. Who is this poster? Would the poster care to defend his position? We invite you to do so.
I'm not the poster, and I couldn't defend his or her position.
One of the most visited planks of my personal soapbox is my assertion that once a democratic constitutional government knowingly and intentionally acts outside the rule of law, it ceases to be a civilized government, and becomes a barbarian government.
Of course, this most significant change is "transparent"; it's not as if Amerikans wake up one day and see strings of skulls festooning the Capitol Dome and White House porticos, Lincoln's Monumental lap running over with the blood of sacrifices, etc.
Now to the point: civilized societies typically establish bona fides and conviviality by respecting persons in authority and presuming that they act in good will and good faith.
So my guess is that the poster is unable or unwilling to confront the ugly and brutal existential truth that the smiling and impeccably-garbed and groomed men and women occupying the highest offices of government are simply barbarians and predators apart from all being good family persons with beautiful, happy families.
Otherwise, the sentence would read thusly:
"President Obama, for instance, is by all evidence a professionally devious and intelligent man, committed to the moral good as he understands it, but seeing himself as an amoral actor empowered to accomplish his corporate and military-friendly agenda By Any Means Necessary, with a ruthlessness amplified by Obama's determination to become Master of a system that does not respect that moral good and repulses every attempt of morality to assert itself."
· Yr Obd't Servant
it seems that the poster (it is from another website in the link) - very much still wants to give obama a "benefit of the doubt" for "not being evil".....but just getting "trapped" in the system.
but he is already an ENABLER of the system.
the system is EVIL. therefore - obama HAS become evil - of he was not before that . he MADE choices, consciously. that is part of what a person is - whether evil or good.
My first response to this article was to think Ray McGovern is either naive or delusional. I think Hell will freeze over before any of the main players in this corruption will be held accountable. The most we can expect is that some low level "I was only following orders" fools will be prosecuted. If I am proven wrong, I will be delighted to admit my cynical error.
However.
I have come to the belief that Barack Obama ( and much of his administration ) is, in one unique way, More sadistic than George W. Bush and the dark lord's celebration of fraud and murder. That is, the Bush 'people' did not even want to pretend to give a damn about anything other than money and power. Whereas, we now have an administration which has repeatedly used words to imply that they stood for so many things which they CLEARLY do not. Their hallmark is to lead people to "believe" and "hope" that they will restore some semblance of justice and "transparency" and then they turn around and reinforce and escalate the worst abuses of the Bush administration.
I think Eric Holder is merely buying time (because the report made it temporarily inescapable) until they can present to us the next horrific imperative distraction of aggression. I'm sure the CIA will reinforce the message when the time comes.
I do not mean to question Mr. McGovern's intentions, but we are already on the path to Hell.
odoco
I got a fundraising call from the DNC today; the gentleman patiently held and listened while I told him how utterly disappointed I was in Obama, his misrepresentations, continuance of illegal wars, refusal to hold Bush himself accountable, etc. I then explicitly stated I would never again give a dime to the Democratic party, further stating I would only vote for third party candidates.
The person on the other end of the phone only retorted: "I understand your point, I have heard it numerous times."
You're barking up the wrong tree, Ray.
The torture stuff is a red herring. It's just a big stinky outer game to cover the "dark side".
They should be combing through witnesses and paper work to find "suspects" who were questioned, cleared and released---never to be heard from again.
Good chance there's a bunch of them in the chain from Vader to Saud, from Saud to OBL and back again...
"We also have to work, though, sort of the dark side, if you will. We've got to spend time in the shadows in the intelligence world. A lot of what needs to be done here will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, using sources and methods that are available to our intelligence agencies, if we're going to be successful. That's the world these folks operate in, and so it's going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal, basically, to achieve our objective."
Nothing in this paragraph is incorrect or misleading---it just doesn't specifically state what his objective was/is.
Great that Ray McGovern is out there!
Are we setting a new definition of permissible torture for the entire world? What we do to others can be done to us. A world without respect for the Geneva Convention, for international law becomes rule of the jungle.
off topic, but it must be said:
0 wants to "move on" - without the nuisance of adhering to those quaint constitutions and treaties of the past.
I'm hanging on to my 9/10 mindset - nothing has changed; the rules of decency remain the same.
There you go. My Constitution is not dead, just beat up some. Those who chose to usurp the Constitution, and will now be prosecuted for their treason, cannot expect to benefit from the guarantees present in the Constitution. The traitors should be offered the same treatment that they authorized.
following your reasoning: what's to stop 0 declaring the entire bush gang "enemy combatants" and shipping them off to Cuba?
a bit of waterboarding and we may learn the truth behind the demolition of the WTC.
Ray McGovern has been a consistently rational and knowledgeable voice during these past dark years. His point about the CIA is that it is not monolithic. He speaks for the intelligence arm, not the operations arm. They are not the same.
McGovern is the only person I have read who has noticed Tenet's reference in his book to a follow-up meeting with Bush in August 2001 - a follow-up to the August 6 "bin-Laden determined to strike US" memo. That is extremely important information. The "let it happen on purpose" theory of the events of 9/11 seems, by the evidence so far available, to be the most likely explanation and Tenet's disclosure supports that.